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Glenda Mitchell and Archie Mitchell did marry. And Grant and Sam Mitchell aren't twins, just siblings. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.130.92.198 (
talk) 08:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Ted Mitchell?
Can someone tell me who this person is?
anemone│projectors 11:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply
I just found out. Cousin of Eric, Archie and Clive, appeared when Clive appeared, with his wife Vi Mitchell. AnemoneProjectors (
talk) 22:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Who are Charlie and Harry Mitchell (listed under Clive)?
86.146.138.17 (
talk) 01:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Clive Mitchell's children apparently.
W93 (
talk) 01:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, apparently when Clive appeared in the show, Peggy asked about his children Charlie and Harry. They were not seen on screen. AnemoneProjectors (
talk) 01:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Apparently now this is fan fiction, and was removed as such. Who is Maisie? –
anemoneprojectors– 13:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Apparently somebody in a passing episode mentioned something about Billy's aunt Maisie, though it could be she was married to his uncle. Also, we wouldn't know if it was from his father or his mother.
Arjoccolenty (
talk) 14:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)reply
To get this article to the highest possible we must do a lot of things to change the article's state;
Add references (One will try to do this)
Clean up the bullet point list (Do we actually need it?)
Review the storylines and edit to make shorter and clearer and re-word text
Add various names to the family tree
Add more usefull content such as dates and more exact details.
Get this article to the highest standard!
Once we have done any of these tasks or you think that some of these point are not needed just remove them or tick them so our fellow Wikipedians know what to do to improve this article.--
MayhemMario (
talk) 18:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)reply
We do want and need the bullet point list, yes. How can it be cleaned up? It's been cleaned up. Also what names need to be added? I think they're all there. As for "dates and more exact details", that's probably not necessary. But it definitely needs real-world perspective, references, and more concise storylines. –
anemoneprojectors– 18:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)reply
New family tree
The new family tree strikes me as very bizarre. Was there any point to having two 'Lola Pearces' because it looks utterly ridiculous. Anyway, Danny Mitchell is not a Mitchell, he is Glenda's son. He has no place on the Mitchell family tree. If you want to follow that logic, then you might as well put Simon Wicks on the Beale family tree or you might as well put Freddie on the Mitchell family tree. He should be removed.
There is no mention of Madge Mitchell and also it lists Phil Mitchell as foster father when there is no need to do so If we want to follow that flawed example, then we should probably list Jamie Mitchell as Billy's foster child or all the Butcher children as Carol's foster children, or Rebecca Fowler as Margaret Wilson's foster daughter or Jay Mitchell as Bert Atkinson's foster child. It makes no sense. Phil is just Lexi's temporary legal guardian within the family, it is very different from adoption.--
AngieWattsFan (
talk) 18:05, 27 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I agree on the two Lola's, but Danny should be listed. I think Madge was mentioned. Also, where is Sal? —
M.Mario (
T/
C) 11:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I think
User:AngieWattsFan is right. If Danny is listed on the Mitchell family tree, then Little Mo should be listed on the Mitchell family tree and Simon Wicks and Steven Beale should be listed on the Beale family tree. Danny is not a Mitchell, he is Glenda's son and has nothing to do with Archie. Whoever put the two Lolas seriously has issues. Sal Martin is not a Mitchell, she is Peggy's sister.--
86.183.195.212 (
talk) 03:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I put in two Lolas to help to simplify the table, because Lola and Ben are both in the tree anyway, regardless of the fact they had a child together. They're at opposite ends, so that made it very difficult. I included Danny because he's called Danny Mitchell (this may or may not have been dsicussed), but you don't have to throw insults around. You could be more polite rather than calling my work "bizarre" and "utterly ridiculous". I don't know why people feel the need to just insult everybody they disagree with. It's pointless and you know it's going to lead to a block eventually - you've already been blocked (on an IP address) with that being one of the reasons. Anyway, I'm going to remove Phil as Lexi's foster parent following a discussion that happened recently on Phil's talk page. The version before this had two Bens. I've reverted to that version. There was a Madge Mitchell but we don't know how she was related. Sal isn't a Mitchell. Little Mo already is in the tree as Billy's wife. –
anemoneprojectors– 22:01, 29 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Actually there are two ways of looking at these trees. We could do them as people all decended from one particular person (in the Mitchell family case, that's Edward Mitchell), or we can look at it as in family units, so that people who aren't decended are also included - such as Danny Mitchell for the Mitchells, or, if there was a Masood family tree, it could include people like Yusef or Qadim. Or Cora and Ava for the Brannings. –
anemoneprojectors– 13:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I think we should do the lattter, family units! :) —
M.Mario (
T/
C) 13:32, 30 December 2012 (UTC)reply
If you go down the route of family units (which I disagree with) then Simon Wicks and Steven Beale must be included in the Beale family tree, Freddie Mitchell must be included in the Mitchell family tree - but make up your mind.--
86.183.195.212 (
talk) 20:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I think it could get too complicated, especially in the big trees. We should just discuss the inclusion/exclusion of Danny Mitchell for now. –
anemoneprojectors– 13:59, 31 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Either we complicate the big trees, or you remove Danny Mitchell from the family tree.--
86.151.240.132 (
talk) 23:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)reply
No, either I remove Danny Mitchell from the Mitchell tree or I don't. We're only discussing that one change, not every family tree. –
anemoneprojectors– 17:14, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Look, just stop being stubborn and remove Danny Mitchell. He is not a member of the Mitchell family, he just took his mother's surname. He has no blood relation to any of the Mitchells apart from Ronnie and Roxy (and technically Glenda) and he had nothing to do with Archie. Even Freddie Mitchell has something to do with Billy Mitchell, yet is rightly not on the Mitchell family tree. It is completely ridiculous and also goes against consensus, remove him please.--
86.135.53.139 (
talk) 16:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Please can you put your opinion across without being demanding and without calling things "ridiculous"? Thanks. I will remove Danny in my next update but I'm not going to make it a priority (unless there are further objections). –
anemoneprojectors– 16:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
I personally think Danny should stay..?? —
M.Mario (
T/
C) 17:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
A family tree for a fictional family goes against Wikipedia guidelines for writing fiction. It is further problematized by the fact that no such family tree will ever be "complete" or "accurate" to the satisfaction of fan-editors which is why they are discouraged (see the
Simpsons talk page for a useful discussion there). A family tree which has been created by Wikipedia users constitutes
original research and has no place in an encyclopedia. It's been removed.
ZarhanFastfire (
talk) 02:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)reply
AP, please respond to the above before reverting. Once more, per Wikipedia guidelines for writing about fiction, family trees such as this represent undue weight, come across as fancruft, putting off casual readers. Such trees also represent
original research, having no
reliable sources cited. The font size alone made it illegible. I spoke about this before removing this one and the Branning family's tree some four months ago on this page (above).
ZarhanFastfire (
talk) 07:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Philip and Sandra Mitchell are listed on the tree as Phil's grandfather, where does Philip come from? This Youtube video clearly shows that Phil's grandparents are "Robert and Sandra" -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4gId59yLtYConnorguy99 (
talk) 02:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)reply
I will be changing "Philip Mitchell" to "Robert Mitchell" unless anyone has any evidence.
Connorguy99 (
talk) 01:49, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
We originally had it as Robert but by the episode on 14 September 2007, they had seemingly forgotten about Robert and revealed that Phil was named Philip after his grandfather -
Special:Diff/158066046 —
🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 00:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)reply
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Glenda Mitchell and Archie Mitchell did marry. And Grant and Sam Mitchell aren't twins, just siblings. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.130.92.198 (
talk) 08:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Ted Mitchell?
Can someone tell me who this person is?
anemone│projectors 11:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)reply
I just found out. Cousin of Eric, Archie and Clive, appeared when Clive appeared, with his wife Vi Mitchell. AnemoneProjectors (
talk) 22:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Who are Charlie and Harry Mitchell (listed under Clive)?
86.146.138.17 (
talk) 01:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Clive Mitchell's children apparently.
W93 (
talk) 01:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, apparently when Clive appeared in the show, Peggy asked about his children Charlie and Harry. They were not seen on screen. AnemoneProjectors (
talk) 01:23, 29 December 2009 (UTC)reply
Apparently now this is fan fiction, and was removed as such. Who is Maisie? –
anemoneprojectors– 13:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)reply
Apparently somebody in a passing episode mentioned something about Billy's aunt Maisie, though it could be she was married to his uncle. Also, we wouldn't know if it was from his father or his mother.
Arjoccolenty (
talk) 14:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)reply
To get this article to the highest possible we must do a lot of things to change the article's state;
Add references (One will try to do this)
Clean up the bullet point list (Do we actually need it?)
Review the storylines and edit to make shorter and clearer and re-word text
Add various names to the family tree
Add more usefull content such as dates and more exact details.
Get this article to the highest standard!
Once we have done any of these tasks or you think that some of these point are not needed just remove them or tick them so our fellow Wikipedians know what to do to improve this article.--
MayhemMario (
talk) 18:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)reply
We do want and need the bullet point list, yes. How can it be cleaned up? It's been cleaned up. Also what names need to be added? I think they're all there. As for "dates and more exact details", that's probably not necessary. But it definitely needs real-world perspective, references, and more concise storylines. –
anemoneprojectors– 18:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)reply
New family tree
The new family tree strikes me as very bizarre. Was there any point to having two 'Lola Pearces' because it looks utterly ridiculous. Anyway, Danny Mitchell is not a Mitchell, he is Glenda's son. He has no place on the Mitchell family tree. If you want to follow that logic, then you might as well put Simon Wicks on the Beale family tree or you might as well put Freddie on the Mitchell family tree. He should be removed.
There is no mention of Madge Mitchell and also it lists Phil Mitchell as foster father when there is no need to do so If we want to follow that flawed example, then we should probably list Jamie Mitchell as Billy's foster child or all the Butcher children as Carol's foster children, or Rebecca Fowler as Margaret Wilson's foster daughter or Jay Mitchell as Bert Atkinson's foster child. It makes no sense. Phil is just Lexi's temporary legal guardian within the family, it is very different from adoption.--
AngieWattsFan (
talk) 18:05, 27 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I agree on the two Lola's, but Danny should be listed. I think Madge was mentioned. Also, where is Sal? —
M.Mario (
T/
C) 11:37, 28 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I think
User:AngieWattsFan is right. If Danny is listed on the Mitchell family tree, then Little Mo should be listed on the Mitchell family tree and Simon Wicks and Steven Beale should be listed on the Beale family tree. Danny is not a Mitchell, he is Glenda's son and has nothing to do with Archie. Whoever put the two Lolas seriously has issues. Sal Martin is not a Mitchell, she is Peggy's sister.--
86.183.195.212 (
talk) 03:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I put in two Lolas to help to simplify the table, because Lola and Ben are both in the tree anyway, regardless of the fact they had a child together. They're at opposite ends, so that made it very difficult. I included Danny because he's called Danny Mitchell (this may or may not have been dsicussed), but you don't have to throw insults around. You could be more polite rather than calling my work "bizarre" and "utterly ridiculous". I don't know why people feel the need to just insult everybody they disagree with. It's pointless and you know it's going to lead to a block eventually - you've already been blocked (on an IP address) with that being one of the reasons. Anyway, I'm going to remove Phil as Lexi's foster parent following a discussion that happened recently on Phil's talk page. The version before this had two Bens. I've reverted to that version. There was a Madge Mitchell but we don't know how she was related. Sal isn't a Mitchell. Little Mo already is in the tree as Billy's wife. –
anemoneprojectors– 22:01, 29 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Actually there are two ways of looking at these trees. We could do them as people all decended from one particular person (in the Mitchell family case, that's Edward Mitchell), or we can look at it as in family units, so that people who aren't decended are also included - such as Danny Mitchell for the Mitchells, or, if there was a Masood family tree, it could include people like Yusef or Qadim. Or Cora and Ava for the Brannings. –
anemoneprojectors– 13:21, 30 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I think we should do the lattter, family units! :) —
M.Mario (
T/
C) 13:32, 30 December 2012 (UTC)reply
If you go down the route of family units (which I disagree with) then Simon Wicks and Steven Beale must be included in the Beale family tree, Freddie Mitchell must be included in the Mitchell family tree - but make up your mind.--
86.183.195.212 (
talk) 20:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)reply
I think it could get too complicated, especially in the big trees. We should just discuss the inclusion/exclusion of Danny Mitchell for now. –
anemoneprojectors– 13:59, 31 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Either we complicate the big trees, or you remove Danny Mitchell from the family tree.--
86.151.240.132 (
talk) 23:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)reply
No, either I remove Danny Mitchell from the Mitchell tree or I don't. We're only discussing that one change, not every family tree. –
anemoneprojectors– 17:14, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Look, just stop being stubborn and remove Danny Mitchell. He is not a member of the Mitchell family, he just took his mother's surname. He has no blood relation to any of the Mitchells apart from Ronnie and Roxy (and technically Glenda) and he had nothing to do with Archie. Even Freddie Mitchell has something to do with Billy Mitchell, yet is rightly not on the Mitchell family tree. It is completely ridiculous and also goes against consensus, remove him please.--
86.135.53.139 (
talk) 16:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Please can you put your opinion across without being demanding and without calling things "ridiculous"? Thanks. I will remove Danny in my next update but I'm not going to make it a priority (unless there are further objections). –
anemoneprojectors– 16:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
I personally think Danny should stay..?? —
M.Mario (
T/
C) 17:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
A family tree for a fictional family goes against Wikipedia guidelines for writing fiction. It is further problematized by the fact that no such family tree will ever be "complete" or "accurate" to the satisfaction of fan-editors which is why they are discouraged (see the
Simpsons talk page for a useful discussion there). A family tree which has been created by Wikipedia users constitutes
original research and has no place in an encyclopedia. It's been removed.
ZarhanFastfire (
talk) 02:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)reply
AP, please respond to the above before reverting. Once more, per Wikipedia guidelines for writing about fiction, family trees such as this represent undue weight, come across as fancruft, putting off casual readers. Such trees also represent
original research, having no
reliable sources cited. The font size alone made it illegible. I spoke about this before removing this one and the Branning family's tree some four months ago on this page (above).
ZarhanFastfire (
talk) 07:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Philip and Sandra Mitchell are listed on the tree as Phil's grandfather, where does Philip come from? This Youtube video clearly shows that Phil's grandparents are "Robert and Sandra" -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4gId59yLtYConnorguy99 (
talk) 02:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)reply
I will be changing "Philip Mitchell" to "Robert Mitchell" unless anyone has any evidence.
Connorguy99 (
talk) 01:49, 21 December 2018 (UTC)reply
We originally had it as Robert but by the episode on 14 September 2007, they had seemingly forgotten about Robert and revealed that Phil was named Philip after his grandfather -
Special:Diff/158066046 —
🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 00:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)reply