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I have doubts that Young wrote the introduction. I read the intro and compared it to what is presuambly a sample of Young's writing ( http://www.holysmoke.org/rvy/rvy2.htm.) Due to Young's frequent lapses in grammar, I found him unlikely to have authored the intro, which seems to me to be intellectually beyond the author of the sample. Also, I see no proof that the linked article was really composed by him. Wikipedia describes Young as a "Scientology whistleblower." That automatically calls into question any claims he made about the writing of Mission Earth, as he was in a personal battle with Hubbard's organization.
As usual with Wikipedia, factoids of dubious source become urban legend and therefore gospel. Wiki is fun, but I know better than to believe a word of it.
Can someone fill me in on why this page is so biased? I'm not a Scientologist, but the article is heavily biased from the very first paragraph. Surely the article should be written about the book first and foremost, and then a section later titled "Controversy" where discussions about chart rigging or whatever could take place? Another section about "Scientology" could talk about the author's founding of the controversial church, and how some of the ideas presented in the novel are reflected in the values of Scientology - and could be outlined, as they make for interesting discussion I believe.
The article starts out by linking the book to Scientology in the first sentence - thus poisoning the reader immediately (after all, the internet is full of info about the evils of Scientology). Within seconds they are told the book is rubbish and something dodgy happened in the past to make it look better than it was, so now it is tied to some illegal sounding activity. Next we are told that the author is an idiot who makes up words, and once again that evil Scientology is at fault.
Basically the first 2 paragraphs should be taken out and shot. I'd rewrite the entire thing, but it seems from comments here that anyone who tries to fix the bias has someone just come and re-edit it.
I mean, imagine if you went looking for 2001: A Space Odyssey and the article you founded started out:
"2001: A Space Odyssey is a novel by Arthur C. Clarke, who denied reports that he was a pedophile..."
No one would stand for that. How about some quality article writing here instead of this rubbish? Curmi ( talk) 13:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone here read all of Mission Earth and remembered enough to be able to make the 'Plot' section something deserving of a spoiler warning? Assuming you can still form sentences afterwards.
There does not appear to be the entire text of the NYT review anywhere on the Web. Does anyone have an original copy? - David Gerard 19:27, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
"Perverted" is a POV word pretty much across the board, but since I've used the same description to describe the novels to friends, I have to say I agree with the comment. And now, I'm ashamed of myself for remembering that much of them, but hey... -- Parcequilfaut 00:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I've read the whole thing. I actually loved it. Fast-paced and with sardonic disrespect for most things American. Nothing wrong with that. The current article is hardly neutral. Basically it says that the novel is a piece of shit and somehow a limited number of Scientology members put every volume on the NY Times best seller list. There's no proof of that. And the discussions here seem to lean towards demanding proof that the sales were not faked, rather than the necessary proof that they were. How is it that each volume contains pages of favorable review excerpts, if it was so universally condemned? I think a lot of people hate Hubbard because of Scientology, and subsequently trash his other work because of it. I notice that all 10 volumes are still in print and are still sold everywhere. Might that mean it is popular? Does ever popular novel have a fansite? Maybe the demographic which reads Hubbard isn't comprised of computer-geek fanboys who spend their lives online. Anyway, the article could use some neutrality. And it also needs to include mention of the 30-hour full-cast audio dramatization, which was well-done - hate the novel or not. I read Herbert's Dune books recently, and those are appalling and badly written. You think poo-pooing is shared by everyone for the same things? Of course not. I'd fix the main page myself, but it has cooties and I don't want to touch it.
No reason has been offered for the move of this page to a disambiguation-style title, nor any discussion. I have moved it back. If the reason is that there was also a movie, then that doesn't cut it: the novel came first and the movie is a subsiduary work. Tannin 21:59, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't think they do. Other industries where the company buys copies to push an item up the sales charts, e.g. the record industry, don't regard them as real sales either (they're charged as marketing budget).
I'd like to see a dot of evidence that the books sold in any appreciable numbers outside the CoS buyback program - David Gerard 11:19, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
David, Mission Earth appeared in bookshops everywhere. Not just the first volume, but all of them, and in substantial numbers. Now one could try to claim that it made it onto bookshop shelves and then no-one bought it, but it would beggar belief to claim that all those copies of the volumes that came out long after the first few volumes also "only appeared on shelves but did not sell". A bookshop proprietor would have to be an absolute moron to order yet more copies of a title that wasn't selling! One might be that stupid (though I doubt it) but not all of them.
Nor is suggesting that these were distributed on a "sale or return" basis a tenable explanation: bookshops, like any other shops, cannot afford to waste shelf space on unsalable product, even if they get it for nothing. (I'm not saying that they were S or R, just pointing out that even an S or R product must be salable or it doesn't get stocked. Retailing just doesn't work like that. (That's what I do, by the way, I am a retailer - and no, I don't sell books.)
Hell, I've seen the Mission Earth books prominently displayed on the shelves of bookshops in at least three states. (Yes: my credit card and I frequent bookshops even when travelling. And although I don't look too hard at the science fiction shelves as a rule, the Mission Earth books lined up in their matching black covers are unmistakabe.)
Tannin 11:35, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The point is, that (no matter what the CoS did or did not do) Mission Earth sold in vast numbers).
Where do you think all those second-hand copies came from? You yourself just confirmed what I said above: that bookshops do not like and will not carry unsalable stock. Now that the series is old hat and anyone who wants to buy it has already bought it, of course second-hand shops don't want more stock. Even if you get it for next to nothing, you only carry stock that you think you can sell. There was the substantial number of first release sales, then it was remaindered at about half price (according to your CoS conspiracy theory - which may or may not be true, I have no grounds for having an opinion either way - the remaindered stock came from the CoS rather than from the ordinary remainders channel), and now, as a result, there are lots of copies floating about in the second-hand shops. Whichever way you slice it, it still adds up to a lot of sales.
You still have not addressed the primary matter here, David: Mission Earth was carried in large quantities by mainstream bookshops right through the primary selling period (when it was a relatively new title). Now any shop can get stuck with one dud title, but there is no way on earth that a bookshop proprietor is going to make the same mistake nine more times. That's just a ridiculous thing to believe. Especially when you remember that we are not talking about one shop, we are talking about shops all across the country (and, I presume, all across the various other English-speaking countries.) (Being generous here and classifying Hubbard's work as "English".)
Tannin 13:22, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't give a bent penny about sales charts, David. Charts != sales.
What I cannot accept is declaring that a work was a sales dud simply because the publishers (allegedly) tried to cheat. We know that it sold a hell of a lot of copies - and we don't know that because the New York Times list said so, we know it because a hell of a lot of bookshops moved a hell of a lot of stock of it. By all means throw the chart numbers out the window if you don't believe them. (I myself wouldn't trust those numbers further than I could throw them into a stiff nor-wester.)
Saying that Mission Earth was a sales dud because the publishers (if we take your word for it, and you do seem to have the evidence at your fingertips) tried to cheat the sales rankings is like saying that Ben Johnson wasn't a fast runner becuse he took performance enhancing drugs at the 1972 Olympics. Sure, BJ got done for drugs in sport, but he was nevertheless a very fast sprinter indeed. I'll bet you London to a brick that our Ben Johnson article says that he could run pretty fast. And so it should. (Yup: I just checked. Not in those words, of course, but it covers his competition successes.)
(Does this article say that Mission Earth was a sales dud? Not quite: but it bends over backwards to make the reader believe that it was. It's the exact equivalent of having an article on Ben Johnson and not saying that he was a world-class sprinter, or having an article on George W Bush and not saying he is the US President.) Tannin 15:58, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I have already provided evidence above. We already know it was actually popular with individual non-Scientologist buyers, because otherwise there is no possible way to explain the fact that booksellers stocked volumes subsequent to the first few volumes in quantity. You still haven't addressed this point. Tannin
Self nomination, I think it satisfies all of the criteria except a picture (not really possible). Will interest anyone who wonders about those huge piles of Hubbard books in the remaindered and second-hand stores. A controversial topic, but not a controversial article - David Gerard 15:53, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Note: There is a project called "Mission Earth", a computer simulation project, which will probably get an article some time (I'll try to do it today). As such, I've moved this to Mission Earth (novel) and fixed links - David Gerard 21:30, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
So. Anyone else want to help go through the requests list and get it into shape for resubmission to WP:FAC in a few months? - David Gerard 01:02, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Restructured article. Moved Synopsis, Volumes, and Critic's Reactions to the top. Marbahlarbs 17:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Added New York Times information about sales.
[11] Adam Clymer, a New York Times executive, said the newspaper has examined the sales patterns of Hubbard's books. In a two-year span, Hubbard logged 14 consecutive books on the New York Times list.
Clymer said that, while the books have been sold in sufficient numbers to justify their bestseller status, "we don't know to whom they were sold."
He said the newspaper uncovered no instances in which vast quantities of books were being sold to single individuals. Marbahlarbs 14:51, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
So where's any documentation? All you have on the article is one link to one bad review which does not mention chart rigging.
I restructured the article so that it is once again an article about a series of books, and not a part of the Scientolgy conspiracy. Removed the Scientology tags, etc. Also reworded the chart-rigging statement at the beginning. 74.132.136.242 16:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I have put the sections "Sales controversy", "Critical reactions", "Authorship", "Synopsis", "Volumes". The sales controversy is the one thing it's most famous for. The critical reactions section follows directly from it - whoever put it above it instead of straight after failed to read the article and notice it then didn't make sense. Authorship leads into Synopsis, which is (a) long and dull (b) why put the spoilered section at the top of the article? The Volumes list is just data only for those who care, so should go at the end - David Gerard 11:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
David, you're missing the point. This is an article about BOOKS. 74.132.136.242 16:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody know if Soltan Gris is a guy or a girl? I'm olny a few chapters in and that's relly been bothering me.
Soltan Gris is a man. 207.67.84.171 16:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
This article has been removed from the GA list due to NPOV and lack of citations. Tarret 14:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone needs to explain why the NPOV tag is on the main article page and suggest ways in which this article can be improved so as to improve the neutral tone. It is wholly inappropriate to tag something with NPOV without providing the reasons and possible remedies. Since there aren't any claims showing specifically what is wrong with the the point-of-view of the article then I will remove the NPOV tag now. Feel free to re-add the tag and explain your reasons here. Vivaldi ( talk) 04:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the comments in the introduction. "critics of scientology claim that..." can be inserted factually into every paragraph of every article that has anything to do with Scientology. If those of you out there feel the need to make your viewpoints about everything known, put it in another section. Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_terms 16:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I keep putting this back, because I think it's a valid edit, and tenofalltrades has not justified the reversion. My IP is currently blocked for leaving a mean comment on David Gerard's talk page. 207.67.84.171
What exactly makes this true? This requires an explanation. Postdlf 06:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there any need to link this word to Scientology's use of jargon words? Dekalogy seems to me like a perfectly natural coinage on the pattern of "trilogy" -- although, following the pattern of "decalogue," and other deca- words, I might have chosen to spell it with a c rather than a k. The Scientology reference seems to me like a cheap and off-topic dig. -- Geenius at Wrok ( talk) 18:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes, there was obvious vote-stacking going on by many groups, including the Randoids, and certainly pro and con Hubbard. (There were discussions on ars at the time. Tricky to cite, but not automatically non-RS.) Even by the lax controls of today's webpoll standards, this early trial was wide-open for simple manipulation, either by turning off cookies, or reloading the page, I forget. A complete non-starter as a reference. AndroidCat ( talk) 05:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn due to changed circumstances. — Gavia immer ( talk) 16:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC) — Gavia immer ( talk) 16:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Remove redundant disambiguation. The only other "Mission Earth" with an article is Mission Earth (album), which was inspired by the novel. — Gavia immer ( talk) 04:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Wasn't there much speculation amongst Scientology critics that Hubbard did not actually write Mission Earth, and that there were ex-Church staff who after leaving also claimed that Hubbard did not write the novel? If so, this should be dealt with in the article. Laval ( talk) 21:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
It is pretty common to find in second hand bookshops copies of the Mission Earth books, and Battlefield Earth, that are in pristine mint condition and bearing the tell tale remainder mark LamontCranston ( talk) 09:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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I have doubts that Young wrote the introduction. I read the intro and compared it to what is presuambly a sample of Young's writing ( http://www.holysmoke.org/rvy/rvy2.htm.) Due to Young's frequent lapses in grammar, I found him unlikely to have authored the intro, which seems to me to be intellectually beyond the author of the sample. Also, I see no proof that the linked article was really composed by him. Wikipedia describes Young as a "Scientology whistleblower." That automatically calls into question any claims he made about the writing of Mission Earth, as he was in a personal battle with Hubbard's organization.
As usual with Wikipedia, factoids of dubious source become urban legend and therefore gospel. Wiki is fun, but I know better than to believe a word of it.
Can someone fill me in on why this page is so biased? I'm not a Scientologist, but the article is heavily biased from the very first paragraph. Surely the article should be written about the book first and foremost, and then a section later titled "Controversy" where discussions about chart rigging or whatever could take place? Another section about "Scientology" could talk about the author's founding of the controversial church, and how some of the ideas presented in the novel are reflected in the values of Scientology - and could be outlined, as they make for interesting discussion I believe.
The article starts out by linking the book to Scientology in the first sentence - thus poisoning the reader immediately (after all, the internet is full of info about the evils of Scientology). Within seconds they are told the book is rubbish and something dodgy happened in the past to make it look better than it was, so now it is tied to some illegal sounding activity. Next we are told that the author is an idiot who makes up words, and once again that evil Scientology is at fault.
Basically the first 2 paragraphs should be taken out and shot. I'd rewrite the entire thing, but it seems from comments here that anyone who tries to fix the bias has someone just come and re-edit it.
I mean, imagine if you went looking for 2001: A Space Odyssey and the article you founded started out:
"2001: A Space Odyssey is a novel by Arthur C. Clarke, who denied reports that he was a pedophile..."
No one would stand for that. How about some quality article writing here instead of this rubbish? Curmi ( talk) 13:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Has anyone here read all of Mission Earth and remembered enough to be able to make the 'Plot' section something deserving of a spoiler warning? Assuming you can still form sentences afterwards.
There does not appear to be the entire text of the NYT review anywhere on the Web. Does anyone have an original copy? - David Gerard 19:27, Feb 14, 2004 (UTC)
"Perverted" is a POV word pretty much across the board, but since I've used the same description to describe the novels to friends, I have to say I agree with the comment. And now, I'm ashamed of myself for remembering that much of them, but hey... -- Parcequilfaut 00:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I've read the whole thing. I actually loved it. Fast-paced and with sardonic disrespect for most things American. Nothing wrong with that. The current article is hardly neutral. Basically it says that the novel is a piece of shit and somehow a limited number of Scientology members put every volume on the NY Times best seller list. There's no proof of that. And the discussions here seem to lean towards demanding proof that the sales were not faked, rather than the necessary proof that they were. How is it that each volume contains pages of favorable review excerpts, if it was so universally condemned? I think a lot of people hate Hubbard because of Scientology, and subsequently trash his other work because of it. I notice that all 10 volumes are still in print and are still sold everywhere. Might that mean it is popular? Does ever popular novel have a fansite? Maybe the demographic which reads Hubbard isn't comprised of computer-geek fanboys who spend their lives online. Anyway, the article could use some neutrality. And it also needs to include mention of the 30-hour full-cast audio dramatization, which was well-done - hate the novel or not. I read Herbert's Dune books recently, and those are appalling and badly written. You think poo-pooing is shared by everyone for the same things? Of course not. I'd fix the main page myself, but it has cooties and I don't want to touch it.
No reason has been offered for the move of this page to a disambiguation-style title, nor any discussion. I have moved it back. If the reason is that there was also a movie, then that doesn't cut it: the novel came first and the movie is a subsiduary work. Tannin 21:59, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't think they do. Other industries where the company buys copies to push an item up the sales charts, e.g. the record industry, don't regard them as real sales either (they're charged as marketing budget).
I'd like to see a dot of evidence that the books sold in any appreciable numbers outside the CoS buyback program - David Gerard 11:19, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
David, Mission Earth appeared in bookshops everywhere. Not just the first volume, but all of them, and in substantial numbers. Now one could try to claim that it made it onto bookshop shelves and then no-one bought it, but it would beggar belief to claim that all those copies of the volumes that came out long after the first few volumes also "only appeared on shelves but did not sell". A bookshop proprietor would have to be an absolute moron to order yet more copies of a title that wasn't selling! One might be that stupid (though I doubt it) but not all of them.
Nor is suggesting that these were distributed on a "sale or return" basis a tenable explanation: bookshops, like any other shops, cannot afford to waste shelf space on unsalable product, even if they get it for nothing. (I'm not saying that they were S or R, just pointing out that even an S or R product must be salable or it doesn't get stocked. Retailing just doesn't work like that. (That's what I do, by the way, I am a retailer - and no, I don't sell books.)
Hell, I've seen the Mission Earth books prominently displayed on the shelves of bookshops in at least three states. (Yes: my credit card and I frequent bookshops even when travelling. And although I don't look too hard at the science fiction shelves as a rule, the Mission Earth books lined up in their matching black covers are unmistakabe.)
Tannin 11:35, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The point is, that (no matter what the CoS did or did not do) Mission Earth sold in vast numbers).
Where do you think all those second-hand copies came from? You yourself just confirmed what I said above: that bookshops do not like and will not carry unsalable stock. Now that the series is old hat and anyone who wants to buy it has already bought it, of course second-hand shops don't want more stock. Even if you get it for next to nothing, you only carry stock that you think you can sell. There was the substantial number of first release sales, then it was remaindered at about half price (according to your CoS conspiracy theory - which may or may not be true, I have no grounds for having an opinion either way - the remaindered stock came from the CoS rather than from the ordinary remainders channel), and now, as a result, there are lots of copies floating about in the second-hand shops. Whichever way you slice it, it still adds up to a lot of sales.
You still have not addressed the primary matter here, David: Mission Earth was carried in large quantities by mainstream bookshops right through the primary selling period (when it was a relatively new title). Now any shop can get stuck with one dud title, but there is no way on earth that a bookshop proprietor is going to make the same mistake nine more times. That's just a ridiculous thing to believe. Especially when you remember that we are not talking about one shop, we are talking about shops all across the country (and, I presume, all across the various other English-speaking countries.) (Being generous here and classifying Hubbard's work as "English".)
Tannin 13:22, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I don't give a bent penny about sales charts, David. Charts != sales.
What I cannot accept is declaring that a work was a sales dud simply because the publishers (allegedly) tried to cheat. We know that it sold a hell of a lot of copies - and we don't know that because the New York Times list said so, we know it because a hell of a lot of bookshops moved a hell of a lot of stock of it. By all means throw the chart numbers out the window if you don't believe them. (I myself wouldn't trust those numbers further than I could throw them into a stiff nor-wester.)
Saying that Mission Earth was a sales dud because the publishers (if we take your word for it, and you do seem to have the evidence at your fingertips) tried to cheat the sales rankings is like saying that Ben Johnson wasn't a fast runner becuse he took performance enhancing drugs at the 1972 Olympics. Sure, BJ got done for drugs in sport, but he was nevertheless a very fast sprinter indeed. I'll bet you London to a brick that our Ben Johnson article says that he could run pretty fast. And so it should. (Yup: I just checked. Not in those words, of course, but it covers his competition successes.)
(Does this article say that Mission Earth was a sales dud? Not quite: but it bends over backwards to make the reader believe that it was. It's the exact equivalent of having an article on Ben Johnson and not saying that he was a world-class sprinter, or having an article on George W Bush and not saying he is the US President.) Tannin 15:58, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I have already provided evidence above. We already know it was actually popular with individual non-Scientologist buyers, because otherwise there is no possible way to explain the fact that booksellers stocked volumes subsequent to the first few volumes in quantity. You still haven't addressed this point. Tannin
Self nomination, I think it satisfies all of the criteria except a picture (not really possible). Will interest anyone who wonders about those huge piles of Hubbard books in the remaindered and second-hand stores. A controversial topic, but not a controversial article - David Gerard 15:53, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Note: There is a project called "Mission Earth", a computer simulation project, which will probably get an article some time (I'll try to do it today). As such, I've moved this to Mission Earth (novel) and fixed links - David Gerard 21:30, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
So. Anyone else want to help go through the requests list and get it into shape for resubmission to WP:FAC in a few months? - David Gerard 01:02, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Restructured article. Moved Synopsis, Volumes, and Critic's Reactions to the top. Marbahlarbs 17:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Added New York Times information about sales.
[11] Adam Clymer, a New York Times executive, said the newspaper has examined the sales patterns of Hubbard's books. In a two-year span, Hubbard logged 14 consecutive books on the New York Times list.
Clymer said that, while the books have been sold in sufficient numbers to justify their bestseller status, "we don't know to whom they were sold."
He said the newspaper uncovered no instances in which vast quantities of books were being sold to single individuals. Marbahlarbs 14:51, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
So where's any documentation? All you have on the article is one link to one bad review which does not mention chart rigging.
I restructured the article so that it is once again an article about a series of books, and not a part of the Scientolgy conspiracy. Removed the Scientology tags, etc. Also reworded the chart-rigging statement at the beginning. 74.132.136.242 16:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I have put the sections "Sales controversy", "Critical reactions", "Authorship", "Synopsis", "Volumes". The sales controversy is the one thing it's most famous for. The critical reactions section follows directly from it - whoever put it above it instead of straight after failed to read the article and notice it then didn't make sense. Authorship leads into Synopsis, which is (a) long and dull (b) why put the spoilered section at the top of the article? The Volumes list is just data only for those who care, so should go at the end - David Gerard 11:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
David, you're missing the point. This is an article about BOOKS. 74.132.136.242 16:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody know if Soltan Gris is a guy or a girl? I'm olny a few chapters in and that's relly been bothering me.
Soltan Gris is a man. 207.67.84.171 16:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
This article has been removed from the GA list due to NPOV and lack of citations. Tarret 14:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone needs to explain why the NPOV tag is on the main article page and suggest ways in which this article can be improved so as to improve the neutral tone. It is wholly inappropriate to tag something with NPOV without providing the reasons and possible remedies. Since there aren't any claims showing specifically what is wrong with the the point-of-view of the article then I will remove the NPOV tag now. Feel free to re-add the tag and explain your reasons here. Vivaldi ( talk) 04:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the comments in the introduction. "critics of scientology claim that..." can be inserted factually into every paragraph of every article that has anything to do with Scientology. If those of you out there feel the need to make your viewpoints about everything known, put it in another section. Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_terms 16:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I keep putting this back, because I think it's a valid edit, and tenofalltrades has not justified the reversion. My IP is currently blocked for leaving a mean comment on David Gerard's talk page. 207.67.84.171
What exactly makes this true? This requires an explanation. Postdlf 06:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Is there any need to link this word to Scientology's use of jargon words? Dekalogy seems to me like a perfectly natural coinage on the pattern of "trilogy" -- although, following the pattern of "decalogue," and other deca- words, I might have chosen to spell it with a c rather than a k. The Scientology reference seems to me like a cheap and off-topic dig. -- Geenius at Wrok ( talk) 18:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh yes, there was obvious vote-stacking going on by many groups, including the Randoids, and certainly pro and con Hubbard. (There were discussions on ars at the time. Tricky to cite, but not automatically non-RS.) Even by the lax controls of today's webpoll standards, this early trial was wide-open for simple manipulation, either by turning off cookies, or reloading the page, I forget. A complete non-starter as a reference. AndroidCat ( talk) 05:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn due to changed circumstances. — Gavia immer ( talk) 16:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC) — Gavia immer ( talk) 16:29, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Remove redundant disambiguation. The only other "Mission Earth" with an article is Mission Earth (album), which was inspired by the novel. — Gavia immer ( talk) 04:07, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Wasn't there much speculation amongst Scientology critics that Hubbard did not actually write Mission Earth, and that there were ex-Church staff who after leaving also claimed that Hubbard did not write the novel? If so, this should be dealt with in the article. Laval ( talk) 21:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
It is pretty common to find in second hand bookshops copies of the Mission Earth books, and Battlefield Earth, that are in pristine mint condition and bearing the tell tale remainder mark LamontCranston ( talk) 09:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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