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Delete this line: Misandry is a minor issue, not equivalent to the widespread practice and extensive history of misogyny
Reason: Misandry is a widely practiced prejudice today, easily as prevalent as Misogyny. White men have become the bane, the object of scorn all across today's socialized world. It's happened in a few short years, but now is widely practiced and advertised. This article reinforces all the old stereotypes, and hasn't been updated to include the new hate-white-men phenomenon, blaming them for all the wrongs of society. This article is inherently racist and misandristic, and is further proof of the hate-white-men syndrome which plagues today's media and this wikipedia article. Gloria77g ( talk) 03:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
This aptly links to the idea of diwalisexual, the sexual attraction solely towards people of the hindu religion, most popular amongst men. There have been attacks on people expressing their diwalisexual selves.
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Hannahsooter ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Katewun.
— Assignment last updated by ACHorwitz ( talk) 16:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Great and very important entry, thanks to all those who have worked so hard.
One query: the first two named quotations that define the term 'misogyny' are by male academics eg Allan G Johnson and Michael Flood. In the following section there are two women cited on the subject and one man. This means the dominant citations by name in the first paras are three men and two women.
Perhaps the first two citations could be women not men? eg I would suggest Catharine MacKinnon whose book Are Women Human is replete with definitions. And any other number of key feminist scholars. there's a very good article from 2017 by Kalpana Srivastava, Suprakash Chaudury, P.S. Bhat and Samiksha Sahu which also expands the discussion to a less western-centric view as well.
Nothing - whatsoever - against Allan G Johnson and Michael Flood who are clearly part of the solution not the problem and doing great academic work.
Many thanks.
MiloQuest (
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The lead says It is a form of sexism that is used to keep women at a lower social status than men
. This looks all good, but I'm unsure about the "used to" part. It is to my understanding that a lot of misogyny is subconscious (eg
internalised sexism), rather than done on purpose ("used to"). With this in mind, should we remove the "used to" part?
So that sentence would look something like It is a form of sexism that keeps women at a lower social status than men
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I've expanded on sentences and terms I feel are important to consider in the discussion to the opening paragraph to try and present an initial full bilateral picture of the concept and hopefully resolve some of the discussion to try and streamline the article.
That is to say, what do folks think about changing:
Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of sexism that can keep women at a lower social status than men, thus maintaining the social roles of patriarchy. Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide.
To:
Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of Ignorance where people in positions of power whether physical or institutional demean or deny personhood to women, failing to understand healthy cross-gender dynamics, and evolving social and gender roles. Whether deliberate or learned, It is a lack of respect by way of erroneous assumptions and mischaracterizations of role, agency (sociology) and ability in women and people with a feminine demeanor. It is a failure to understand an aspect of systemic sexism that can keep women and feminine individuals at a lower social status than men, and men in toxic mental models that prevent them from developing healthy interpersonal relationships with prospective romantic partners and genuine friendships with people of different gender dispositions, limiting everyone's understanding of equitable leadership, their individual impact to society and their ability to contribute towards equitable progress.
The term developed culturally as an understanding of actions that men who considered themselves to be leading humanity towards healthy reproduction with their limited knowledge at the time, albeit by emotional force, took to retain power by using toxic language emerging from complex emotions they were not able to verbalize in a constructive way, in an effort to maintain the social roles developed throughout history from a fear of losing existing norms by way of cultural exclusion. Misogyny is a primitive form of forced serfdom and cognitive slavery as a way to organize society. See: patriarchy. Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years as a consequence of individual human flaw and cultural lack of understanding of interpersonal emotions. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide. Misogyny has been an emerging phenomena for millenia in which the fear of losing self-determination of a leading individual in power has caused them to fail to see personhood in other beings, harming those they aim to help and blinding their perspective and ability to connect to effective leadership known as Emotional intelligence. Lighterletter ( talk) 05:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Why are wrong information put here? In Islam, females get not half of what males get. The truth is females get half from their father's while they also receive from their husbands as well. Males are limited to what they inherit from their father. Again, your islamophobic nature is quite evident here. There are at least ten times more number of verses(misogynist)in the Bibles that you're decorating here than any other scriptures for that matter. Quote the biblical verses which says 'women to remain silent before men or else...' 'women to cover their heads or else....' Wikipedia is full of shits now. You take reference of islamophobic writers and also never include any muslim scholar to authenticate your statement on Islam and muslims.c'mon. 2409:40E7:F:C95:8000:0:0:0 ( talk) 05:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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Delete this line: Misandry is a minor issue, not equivalent to the widespread practice and extensive history of misogyny
Reason: Misandry is a widely practiced prejudice today, easily as prevalent as Misogyny. White men have become the bane, the object of scorn all across today's socialized world. It's happened in a few short years, but now is widely practiced and advertised. This article reinforces all the old stereotypes, and hasn't been updated to include the new hate-white-men phenomenon, blaming them for all the wrongs of society. This article is inherently racist and misandristic, and is further proof of the hate-white-men syndrome which plagues today's media and this wikipedia article. Gloria77g ( talk) 03:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
This aptly links to the idea of diwalisexual, the sexual attraction solely towards people of the hindu religion, most popular amongst men. There have been attacks on people expressing their diwalisexual selves.
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 8 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Hannahsooter ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Katewun.
— Assignment last updated by ACHorwitz ( talk) 16:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Great and very important entry, thanks to all those who have worked so hard.
One query: the first two named quotations that define the term 'misogyny' are by male academics eg Allan G Johnson and Michael Flood. In the following section there are two women cited on the subject and one man. This means the dominant citations by name in the first paras are three men and two women.
Perhaps the first two citations could be women not men? eg I would suggest Catharine MacKinnon whose book Are Women Human is replete with definitions. And any other number of key feminist scholars. there's a very good article from 2017 by Kalpana Srivastava, Suprakash Chaudury, P.S. Bhat and Samiksha Sahu which also expands the discussion to a less western-centric view as well.
Nothing - whatsoever - against Allan G Johnson and Michael Flood who are clearly part of the solution not the problem and doing great academic work.
Many thanks.
MiloQuest (
talk) 07:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
The lead says It is a form of sexism that is used to keep women at a lower social status than men
. This looks all good, but I'm unsure about the "used to" part. It is to my understanding that a lot of misogyny is subconscious (eg
internalised sexism), rather than done on purpose ("used to"). With this in mind, should we remove the "used to" part?
So that sentence would look something like It is a form of sexism that keeps women at a lower social status than men
—
Panamitsu
(talk) 06:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I've expanded on sentences and terms I feel are important to consider in the discussion to the opening paragraph to try and present an initial full bilateral picture of the concept and hopefully resolve some of the discussion to try and streamline the article.
That is to say, what do folks think about changing:
Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of sexism that can keep women at a lower social status than men, thus maintaining the social roles of patriarchy. Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide.
To:
Misogyny ( /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls. It is a form of Ignorance where people in positions of power whether physical or institutional demean or deny personhood to women, failing to understand healthy cross-gender dynamics, and evolving social and gender roles. Whether deliberate or learned, It is a lack of respect by way of erroneous assumptions and mischaracterizations of role, agency (sociology) and ability in women and people with a feminine demeanor. It is a failure to understand an aspect of systemic sexism that can keep women and feminine individuals at a lower social status than men, and men in toxic mental models that prevent them from developing healthy interpersonal relationships with prospective romantic partners and genuine friendships with people of different gender dispositions, limiting everyone's understanding of equitable leadership, their individual impact to society and their ability to contribute towards equitable progress.
The term developed culturally as an understanding of actions that men who considered themselves to be leading humanity towards healthy reproduction with their limited knowledge at the time, albeit by emotional force, took to retain power by using toxic language emerging from complex emotions they were not able to verbalize in a constructive way, in an effort to maintain the social roles developed throughout history from a fear of losing existing norms by way of cultural exclusion. Misogyny is a primitive form of forced serfdom and cognitive slavery as a way to organize society. See: patriarchy. Misogyny has been widely practised for thousands of years as a consequence of individual human flaw and cultural lack of understanding of interpersonal emotions. It is reflected in art, literature, human societal structure, historical events, mythology, philosophy, and religion worldwide. Misogyny has been an emerging phenomena for millenia in which the fear of losing self-determination of a leading individual in power has caused them to fail to see personhood in other beings, harming those they aim to help and blinding their perspective and ability to connect to effective leadership known as Emotional intelligence. Lighterletter ( talk) 05:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Why are wrong information put here? In Islam, females get not half of what males get. The truth is females get half from their father's while they also receive from their husbands as well. Males are limited to what they inherit from their father. Again, your islamophobic nature is quite evident here. There are at least ten times more number of verses(misogynist)in the Bibles that you're decorating here than any other scriptures for that matter. Quote the biblical verses which says 'women to remain silent before men or else...' 'women to cover their heads or else....' Wikipedia is full of shits now. You take reference of islamophobic writers and also never include any muslim scholar to authenticate your statement on Islam and muslims.c'mon. 2409:40E7:F:C95:8000:0:0:0 ( talk) 05:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)