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I just made a number of changes to this page, but still more need to be made. Many thanks to whoever it was that's supplied so much information. I'm not sure "Her record label is Rythmedia tribe and she belongs Rythmedia" was supposed to mean. Can someone clarify what Rythmedia Tribe and Rythmedia are? ( J44xm 03:55, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC))
Someone removed the album image with the reason "an album cover is not fair use on a bio article" and in my opinion the removal may not be correct. According to Wikipedia:Fair use, album is considered a type under Cover art and it can be used from various items, for identification and critical commentary (not for identification without critical commentary).
Hence, if an article talks only about the singer but DOES NOT provide any critical commentary on the his/her's album or single (which in fact,is rare), or the album image uploaded is not the ones related to the critical commentary, the album could be removed.
In contrary, if the article does provide some critical commentary on the album in question ( like this article, it DOES discuss Misia version of the song 'Loving you' which is in the album Love is the Message) and an image of the album is uploaded for this purpose. As a result, the use of the album image here is considered Fair Use. Davilaser 17:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
For some reason, wikipedia isnt letting me change her page, it keeps saying that I am giving wrong information. In The last paragraph of her autobiography, it says that she will be releasing three singles in a row, which is wrong, she will only be releasing two (and a tour DVD). I also tired to add her newest tour DVD "DECIMO X ANIVERSARIO DE MISIA THE BEST DJ REMIXES + Tour of MISIA 2008 EIGHTH WORLD DVD" to her list of tours... and it is saying that is wrong information.
Could someone please fix this, or tell me how to do it without wikipedia removing it right after? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.140.118 ( talk) 05:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn — Ryulong ( 竜龙) 01:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Misia (Japanese singer) →
MISIA – Per the precedent set with
DJ OZMA, individuals who go by fully capitalized names should be given the same exception to the norm as individuals who parse their names in all lowercase (a la
brian d foy,
bell hooks,
will.i.am, etc.). "MISIA (Japanese singer)", if necessary for disambiguation, is also a viable title, even though
MISIA currently redirects here.—
Ryulong (
竜龙)
02:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
While I have withdrawn the move request, I have extreme reservations against Kauffner's insistance to state that "MISIA" is the "Japanese name" or formatting the lead to have [[Japanese language|Japanese]]: ''MISIA'' (or to use the full width characters, which are not allowed or something according to WP:MOS-JA).
This is a factual inaccuracy. Due to the current wording of the manual of style, the form "MISIA" is not allowed, and there is currently no consensus to move the page to that title. So, as per WP:MOSTM (even though it should not apply to the name of an individual person) and the general practice on this project, the more common form of the name (in this case "MISIA") should be featured in the article lead and be defined as the stylized form of the name. This is practiced on articles such as Ke$ha, Kiss (band), Florence and the Machine, Angela (band), Noah and the Whale, and others. This statement, that "MISIA" is the stylized form of "Misia", does not require a reliable source. The fact that "MISIA" is plastered across her website, and "Misia" appears nowhere, should be evidence enough.
Also, this is not a reliable source to state that "MISIA" or "MISIA" is her "Japanese name". The article barely mentions her. All it mentions is that the musician known as Saigenji has worked with MISIA on one of her songs.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 02:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Kauffner, I am going to copy my statement to you here because you frankly do not understand what the purpose of the word "Stylized as" is.
It is not necessary to provide a source to show that "Misia" is written as "MISIA" in Japan because "Misia" is only a non-stylized/standard-typeset form used on the English Wikipedia because our internal style guides currently do not allow all capital letters unless a consensus says otherwise. While the Yomiuri article on her and Bono is fine, it should not be used to support your false affirmation that "MISIA" is only an alternate form of the name when it is the primary form of the name in Japan. I've removed the kana, because you and other editors who never touch Japanese articles outside of the ones that I attempted to move can decide what the fuck to do with it considering it is a form that is used in Japan (although rarely and only for organizational purposes), but do not remove the statement that "MISIA" is the stylized form of the name, just because you cannot find it defined as such.
To make things short, "MISIA" is the way her name is written in Japan. "Misia" is the way her name is written in the rare instances English media, such as Wikipedia, discuss her.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 02:28, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Kauffner: Stop removing the word "stylized". It is a means to comply with WP:MOSTM because, apparently, "MISIA" is the trademarked form, while "Misia" is the standard capitalized form that is in use in the small amount of English language media about the subject of this page.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 23:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Also that one Business Week article does not seem like a valid source for her full name being "Misaki Ito".— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 01:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I just made a number of changes to this page, but still more need to be made. Many thanks to whoever it was that's supplied so much information. I'm not sure "Her record label is Rythmedia tribe and she belongs Rythmedia" was supposed to mean. Can someone clarify what Rythmedia Tribe and Rythmedia are? ( J44xm 03:55, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC))
Someone removed the album image with the reason "an album cover is not fair use on a bio article" and in my opinion the removal may not be correct. According to Wikipedia:Fair use, album is considered a type under Cover art and it can be used from various items, for identification and critical commentary (not for identification without critical commentary).
Hence, if an article talks only about the singer but DOES NOT provide any critical commentary on the his/her's album or single (which in fact,is rare), or the album image uploaded is not the ones related to the critical commentary, the album could be removed.
In contrary, if the article does provide some critical commentary on the album in question ( like this article, it DOES discuss Misia version of the song 'Loving you' which is in the album Love is the Message) and an image of the album is uploaded for this purpose. As a result, the use of the album image here is considered Fair Use. Davilaser 17:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
For some reason, wikipedia isnt letting me change her page, it keeps saying that I am giving wrong information. In The last paragraph of her autobiography, it says that she will be releasing three singles in a row, which is wrong, she will only be releasing two (and a tour DVD). I also tired to add her newest tour DVD "DECIMO X ANIVERSARIO DE MISIA THE BEST DJ REMIXES + Tour of MISIA 2008 EIGHTH WORLD DVD" to her list of tours... and it is saying that is wrong information.
Could someone please fix this, or tell me how to do it without wikipedia removing it right after? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.140.118 ( talk) 05:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn — Ryulong ( 竜龙) 01:52, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Misia (Japanese singer) →
MISIA – Per the precedent set with
DJ OZMA, individuals who go by fully capitalized names should be given the same exception to the norm as individuals who parse their names in all lowercase (a la
brian d foy,
bell hooks,
will.i.am, etc.). "MISIA (Japanese singer)", if necessary for disambiguation, is also a viable title, even though
MISIA currently redirects here.—
Ryulong (
竜龙)
02:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
While I have withdrawn the move request, I have extreme reservations against Kauffner's insistance to state that "MISIA" is the "Japanese name" or formatting the lead to have [[Japanese language|Japanese]]: ''MISIA'' (or to use the full width characters, which are not allowed or something according to WP:MOS-JA).
This is a factual inaccuracy. Due to the current wording of the manual of style, the form "MISIA" is not allowed, and there is currently no consensus to move the page to that title. So, as per WP:MOSTM (even though it should not apply to the name of an individual person) and the general practice on this project, the more common form of the name (in this case "MISIA") should be featured in the article lead and be defined as the stylized form of the name. This is practiced on articles such as Ke$ha, Kiss (band), Florence and the Machine, Angela (band), Noah and the Whale, and others. This statement, that "MISIA" is the stylized form of "Misia", does not require a reliable source. The fact that "MISIA" is plastered across her website, and "Misia" appears nowhere, should be evidence enough.
Also, this is not a reliable source to state that "MISIA" or "MISIA" is her "Japanese name". The article barely mentions her. All it mentions is that the musician known as Saigenji has worked with MISIA on one of her songs.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 02:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Kauffner, I am going to copy my statement to you here because you frankly do not understand what the purpose of the word "Stylized as" is.
It is not necessary to provide a source to show that "Misia" is written as "MISIA" in Japan because "Misia" is only a non-stylized/standard-typeset form used on the English Wikipedia because our internal style guides currently do not allow all capital letters unless a consensus says otherwise. While the Yomiuri article on her and Bono is fine, it should not be used to support your false affirmation that "MISIA" is only an alternate form of the name when it is the primary form of the name in Japan. I've removed the kana, because you and other editors who never touch Japanese articles outside of the ones that I attempted to move can decide what the fuck to do with it considering it is a form that is used in Japan (although rarely and only for organizational purposes), but do not remove the statement that "MISIA" is the stylized form of the name, just because you cannot find it defined as such.
To make things short, "MISIA" is the way her name is written in Japan. "Misia" is the way her name is written in the rare instances English media, such as Wikipedia, discuss her.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 02:28, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Kauffner: Stop removing the word "stylized". It is a means to comply with WP:MOSTM because, apparently, "MISIA" is the trademarked form, while "Misia" is the standard capitalized form that is in use in the small amount of English language media about the subject of this page.— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 23:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Also that one Business Week article does not seem like a valid source for her full name being "Misaki Ito".— Ryulong ( 竜龙) 01:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)