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There should be acted on independent sources to support various claims. For example the statements given about her family being in the resistance. There is absolutely no foundation for this claim but her own. I am going to ensure this does not end up here as of now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirk Dutch ( talk • contribs) 11:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Might I suggest that this article be turned into a redirect to Misha: A Mémoire of the Holocaust Years until and unless enough sourced info about the author turns up to justify a separate biographical article? I honestly don't think she's notable, or going to be notable, for anything except this book and the furor over it. -- 65.78.13.238 ( talk) 14:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
"Hallo - i have added some biographical informations about Misha Defonseca. I d' ont agree with your idea to merge the bookstory with the person (or to create a redirect). yours Christophe.Neff ( talk) 16:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)"
Are scandal and lies all that is needed to get your own article? This woman has made millions of dollars off the experiences of victims of the Holocaust including my mother. The book is of note as a work of fiction and the articles about this subject and the publisher deserve to be included as part of that article - but do not deserve stand alone status. Dandbear ( talk) 11:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
for continuing the discussion : Jane Daniel would merit a biographical article in wikipedia, because it was her tenacity who in fact delivered the true story ! Christophe.Neff (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
under http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discuter:Misha_Defonseca I have left a message on the french talk page. Its in french, but i think its worth to be read (perhaps i will translate it later). I think in writeing a biography article one should try to be fair to Misha Defonseca and her parents, - parents which after all died in Nazi Concentration camps ! Christophe Neff ( talk) 21:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
What is told about above is a complete ly and most likely a stunt pulled by the woman herself. There is absolutely no foundation for this claim but her own. And the woman can only ly! So do not try to put it up there again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirk Dutch ( talk • contribs) 07:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
On 17 March 2008, 68.1.114.62 ( talk · contribs) changed the sentence "Her parents were resistance fighters arrested and executed by the Germans." to "Her father was a traitor to the Belgian resistance and a Gestapo collaborator." and Yllosubmarine ( talk · contribs) changed it back.
The problem with 68.1.114.62's changes is that they provided no citations to document their statements about Robert de Wael, Monique de Wael's father. The problem with Yllosubmarine's changes is that there is indeed a very substantial possibility that de Wael was a traitor; his name was in fact chiselled off a monument commemorating the Belgian Resistance because he had been concluded to be a traitor. It's substantially misleading to simply call her parents "resistance fighters" with no qualification when the possibility exists that Robert de Wael did more to harm the Resistance than to assist it.
My problem is that I know where discussion of Robert de Wael's alleged treason to the Resistance is to be found, but my French is not good enough to translate it from scratch, or even to fill in the gaps of what the free automated translation services on the Web are clearly getting wrong. So: we need someone who does speak French fluently to examine these articles: [1] , [2] and report what we can validly report about the issue of Robert de Wael's collaboration. -- 65.78.13.238 ( talk) 03:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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Should anyone add that the name Misha can in no way be a woman's name? Among Russians and Russianized Jews, it's a popular diminutive of "Michael". I addressed Hebrew-speaking Israelites to find out whether they have any form of traditional feminine name sounding like "Misha", and their answer was a definite no. 37.145.187.190 ( talk) 04:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
"Misha Defonseca (born Monique de Wael)" I don't see any evidence that she changed her name to "Misha Defonseca" legally, so the article should be under her real name, and the fake name should be a redirect. jae ( talk) 23:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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There should be acted on independent sources to support various claims. For example the statements given about her family being in the resistance. There is absolutely no foundation for this claim but her own. I am going to ensure this does not end up here as of now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirk Dutch ( talk • contribs) 11:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Might I suggest that this article be turned into a redirect to Misha: A Mémoire of the Holocaust Years until and unless enough sourced info about the author turns up to justify a separate biographical article? I honestly don't think she's notable, or going to be notable, for anything except this book and the furor over it. -- 65.78.13.238 ( talk) 14:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
"Hallo - i have added some biographical informations about Misha Defonseca. I d' ont agree with your idea to merge the bookstory with the person (or to create a redirect). yours Christophe.Neff ( talk) 16:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)"
Are scandal and lies all that is needed to get your own article? This woman has made millions of dollars off the experiences of victims of the Holocaust including my mother. The book is of note as a work of fiction and the articles about this subject and the publisher deserve to be included as part of that article - but do not deserve stand alone status. Dandbear ( talk) 11:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
for continuing the discussion : Jane Daniel would merit a biographical article in wikipedia, because it was her tenacity who in fact delivered the true story ! Christophe.Neff (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
under http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discuter:Misha_Defonseca I have left a message on the french talk page. Its in french, but i think its worth to be read (perhaps i will translate it later). I think in writeing a biography article one should try to be fair to Misha Defonseca and her parents, - parents which after all died in Nazi Concentration camps ! Christophe Neff ( talk) 21:34, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
What is told about above is a complete ly and most likely a stunt pulled by the woman herself. There is absolutely no foundation for this claim but her own. And the woman can only ly! So do not try to put it up there again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirk Dutch ( talk • contribs) 07:03, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
On 17 March 2008, 68.1.114.62 ( talk · contribs) changed the sentence "Her parents were resistance fighters arrested and executed by the Germans." to "Her father was a traitor to the Belgian resistance and a Gestapo collaborator." and Yllosubmarine ( talk · contribs) changed it back.
The problem with 68.1.114.62's changes is that they provided no citations to document their statements about Robert de Wael, Monique de Wael's father. The problem with Yllosubmarine's changes is that there is indeed a very substantial possibility that de Wael was a traitor; his name was in fact chiselled off a monument commemorating the Belgian Resistance because he had been concluded to be a traitor. It's substantially misleading to simply call her parents "resistance fighters" with no qualification when the possibility exists that Robert de Wael did more to harm the Resistance than to assist it.
My problem is that I know where discussion of Robert de Wael's alleged treason to the Resistance is to be found, but my French is not good enough to translate it from scratch, or even to fill in the gaps of what the free automated translation services on the Web are clearly getting wrong. So: we need someone who does speak French fluently to examine these articles: [1] , [2] and report what we can validly report about the issue of Robert de Wael's collaboration. -- 65.78.13.238 ( talk) 03:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
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Should anyone add that the name Misha can in no way be a woman's name? Among Russians and Russianized Jews, it's a popular diminutive of "Michael". I addressed Hebrew-speaking Israelites to find out whether they have any form of traditional feminine name sounding like "Misha", and their answer was a definite no. 37.145.187.190 ( talk) 04:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
"Misha Defonseca (born Monique de Wael)" I don't see any evidence that she changed her name to "Misha Defonseca" legally, so the article should be under her real name, and the fake name should be a redirect. jae ( talk) 23:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)