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What's the best thing to do with the asteroid link at the bottom? Avocado 01:06, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Reed Sea (found in the newer versions of the Bible); Red Sea was a translation error from the Hebrew language recently corrected.
Does anyone have a reference for this? I've never heard of the Reed Sea.
I moved this back to Miriam, as the move to Miriam (Bible) seemed unnecessary. We don't write Muhammad (Islam) or Jesus (Christianity). SlimVirgin (talk) 04:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Propose merging the Snow-white Miriam article into this one, with a redirect. The Snow-White Miriam article covers one incident in Miriam's life, not a different subject. -- Shirahadasha 06:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
A proposal to delete or merge Snow-white Miriam into this article is currently going on on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snow-white Miriam. Please express your opinion there. -- Shirahadasha 03:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth adding anything about the fact that Miriam is regarded as being Maria Prophetissa, the mysterious figure to whom the secrets of Alchemy were given? Esotericists see her as being as important as Moses in the transmission of mystical secrets. See the link Mary the Jewess. ThePeg 15:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the name, it comes from Richard Friedman's book so it is sourced. I don't particularly like the name either, but it was found earlier to have some notability. Regarding the paragraph on Moses' authority, your point is well taken. The story is in the present tense because the source, Richard Elliott Friedman, uses this tense. (See e.g. "In this story, Aaron and Miriam speak against Moses regarding his wife, and God personally reprimands them" on p. 76 of Who Wrote the Bible). I speculate that Professor Friedman may use the present tense in an aorist or "indefinite" sense to reflect his view that this is "story" which is better described in the manner of a piece of literature (where present tense is common for narratives) and not in the manner of historical accounts which take place at particular times, but be that as it may the approach reflects the source. Sections on more traditional views use the past tense to reflect the traditional view that the events involved are historical and take place within actual time. I also clarified the challenge was to "exclusive" authority and cited the relevant verse. Feel free to propose something more appropriate, but the result should reflect Richard Friedman's view as this is currently the only source for the "Snow White Miriam" concept. -- Shirahadasha 19:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Which baby, which river and which pharoh? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.77.154.214 ( talk) 21:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
I see no mention of the colour of Moses' wife in the Book of Numbers. Granted, Wikipedia does have a page on Black People, but it seems to me that the term has too much baggage to be considered NPOV. I don't think you can equate the (possible) racism of Miriam's day to the racist attitudes of today. It seems to me that people were more tribal then, and things weren't "black and white", as it were. Or, if you feel that the term "black" really is appropriate, then please add some text explaining why it is.
65.24.249.74 01:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm responsible for some of the edit history. Following your helpful edit, I think I have integrated it better now. I don't know who left the original comment that I made visible, disputing Meritamun as a possible origin of Miriam. The suggestion was apparently made in the cited book. This time I have removed the dispute from the article; it is sufficently clear that the origin is disputed, from the existence of alternative derivations.
The "wished for child" seems to be from Behind the Name -- feel free to contact them. At Wikipedia there is a core policy of WP:No original research; we just summarise the best WP:reliable sources that we can find. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Ive Fixed the Arabic name because the name written there was Maryam which is the name of Virgin of Mary in Arabic while as in Arabic we refer to the sister of Moses as Meeryaam so I corrected it in Arabic Highdeeboy ( talk) 10:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Id just like to add a small little paragraph about Miriam and her existence in Islamic Narrative its extremly similar to the biblical account, The Quran speaks about her in the following verses
020.038 YUSUFALI: "Behold! We sent to thy mother, by inspiration, the message:
020.039 YUSUFALI: "'Throw (the child) into the chest, and throw (the chest) into the river: the river will cast him up on the bank, and he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him': But I cast (the garment of) love over thee from Me: and (this) in order that thou mayest be reared under Mine eye.
020.040 YUSUFALI: "Behold! thy sister goeth forth and saith, 'shall I show you one who will nurse and rear the (child)?' So We brought thee back to thy mother, that her eye might be cooled and she should not grieve. Then thou didst slay a man, but We saved thee from trouble, and We tried thee in various ways. Then didst thou tarry a number of years with the people of Midian. Then didst thou come hither as ordained, O Moses!
028.010
YUSUFALI: But there came to be a void in the heart of the mother of Moses: She was going almost to disclose his (case), had We not strengthened her heart (with faith), so that she might remain a (firm) believer.
028.011 YUSUFALI: And she said to the sister of (Moses), "Follow him" so she (the sister) watched him in the character of a stranger. And they knew not.
028.012 YUSUFALI: And we ordained that he refused suck at first, until (His sister came up and) said: "Shall I point out to you the people of a house that will nourish and bring him up for you and be sincerely attached to him?"...
028.013 YUSUFALI: Thus did We restore him to his mother, that her eye might be comforted, that she might not grieve, and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true: but most of them do not understand. Moodswingster ( talk) 21:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
There is no need to add any situation needed mainly because Ironically there is a Hadith mentioned talking about the name of Moses's sister and that hadith can be found the link YOU provided which is the Quranic and biblical narratives in that Hadith Prophet Mohamed states people back then used to give names of important figures to another which lead to the mother of Christ called Mary but however Muslim scholars coined up a name for the sister of Moses calling her Meeriam instead of Maryam to remove confusion because she is not mentioned by name in the Quran Moodswingster ( talk) 12:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
There is a controvery over this in the academic literature that is not reflected in the article. See for instance [1], [2] [3] [4]
[6] Dougweller ( talk) 12:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Why isnt there any Biblical account of Miriam?! 82.194.62.25 ( talk) 09:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
This major edit was done under the advice of a wiki-Editor who, after reviewing the proposed additions, advised to expand the current article on Miriam, rather then starting a new one under a different title. The intention of this edit was to add, not subtract or delete. Thus, nearly all of the original content was preserved, but re-ordered and integrated into a chronological presentation of the life of Miriam. Much effort was invested to preserve the wording of the original content, except where it was inaccurate based on the sources provided, or unclear. Regarding citations, many of the originals were corrected, expanded or elucidated. And some were added where missing. The use of citations from Jewish primary sources (Tanach, Talmud, Midrash, Classical Commentators, etc.), while extensive, is no different than as in the original, but more complete and accurate.
Jbu777 ( talk) 16:06, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
This is pretty much unsourced OR, and has been vandalized in any case.
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Libni | Shimei | Izhar | Hebron | Uzziel | Mahli | Mushi | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jochebed | Amram | Mishael | Elzaphan | Zithri | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
{{{HUR}}} | Miriam | Aaron | Moses | Zipporah | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Gershom | Eliezer | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Muslim female saints,Islamic personalities mentioned in the Hebrew Bible,Islamic figures,Muslim female saints from the Old Testament,Christian female saints from the Old Testament, have been removed as categories. Per WP:CATV Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories. The article does not source the claim that Miriam is a saint, whether Christian or Muslim, at all. Per WP:CATDEF A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having". It is not a defining characteristic of this person that she is an "Islamic figure" or "Islamic personality". Smeat75 ( talk) 00:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
The "Torah"
Pharisaic Talmudic demons
You're not the people of the old testament, you are not Hebrews. 94.156.230.143 ( talk) 17:36, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | A fact from Miriam appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 3 November 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:
| ![]() |
What's the best thing to do with the asteroid link at the bottom? Avocado 01:06, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Reed Sea (found in the newer versions of the Bible); Red Sea was a translation error from the Hebrew language recently corrected.
Does anyone have a reference for this? I've never heard of the Reed Sea.
I moved this back to Miriam, as the move to Miriam (Bible) seemed unnecessary. We don't write Muhammad (Islam) or Jesus (Christianity). SlimVirgin (talk) 04:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Propose merging the Snow-white Miriam article into this one, with a redirect. The Snow-White Miriam article covers one incident in Miriam's life, not a different subject. -- Shirahadasha 06:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
A proposal to delete or merge Snow-white Miriam into this article is currently going on on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snow-white Miriam. Please express your opinion there. -- Shirahadasha 03:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth adding anything about the fact that Miriam is regarded as being Maria Prophetissa, the mysterious figure to whom the secrets of Alchemy were given? Esotericists see her as being as important as Moses in the transmission of mystical secrets. See the link Mary the Jewess. ThePeg 15:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the name, it comes from Richard Friedman's book so it is sourced. I don't particularly like the name either, but it was found earlier to have some notability. Regarding the paragraph on Moses' authority, your point is well taken. The story is in the present tense because the source, Richard Elliott Friedman, uses this tense. (See e.g. "In this story, Aaron and Miriam speak against Moses regarding his wife, and God personally reprimands them" on p. 76 of Who Wrote the Bible). I speculate that Professor Friedman may use the present tense in an aorist or "indefinite" sense to reflect his view that this is "story" which is better described in the manner of a piece of literature (where present tense is common for narratives) and not in the manner of historical accounts which take place at particular times, but be that as it may the approach reflects the source. Sections on more traditional views use the past tense to reflect the traditional view that the events involved are historical and take place within actual time. I also clarified the challenge was to "exclusive" authority and cited the relevant verse. Feel free to propose something more appropriate, but the result should reflect Richard Friedman's view as this is currently the only source for the "Snow White Miriam" concept. -- Shirahadasha 19:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Which baby, which river and which pharoh? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.77.154.214 ( talk) 21:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC).
I see no mention of the colour of Moses' wife in the Book of Numbers. Granted, Wikipedia does have a page on Black People, but it seems to me that the term has too much baggage to be considered NPOV. I don't think you can equate the (possible) racism of Miriam's day to the racist attitudes of today. It seems to me that people were more tribal then, and things weren't "black and white", as it were. Or, if you feel that the term "black" really is appropriate, then please add some text explaining why it is.
65.24.249.74 01:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm responsible for some of the edit history. Following your helpful edit, I think I have integrated it better now. I don't know who left the original comment that I made visible, disputing Meritamun as a possible origin of Miriam. The suggestion was apparently made in the cited book. This time I have removed the dispute from the article; it is sufficently clear that the origin is disputed, from the existence of alternative derivations.
The "wished for child" seems to be from Behind the Name -- feel free to contact them. At Wikipedia there is a core policy of WP:No original research; we just summarise the best WP:reliable sources that we can find. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Ive Fixed the Arabic name because the name written there was Maryam which is the name of Virgin of Mary in Arabic while as in Arabic we refer to the sister of Moses as Meeryaam so I corrected it in Arabic Highdeeboy ( talk) 10:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Id just like to add a small little paragraph about Miriam and her existence in Islamic Narrative its extremly similar to the biblical account, The Quran speaks about her in the following verses
020.038 YUSUFALI: "Behold! We sent to thy mother, by inspiration, the message:
020.039 YUSUFALI: "'Throw (the child) into the chest, and throw (the chest) into the river: the river will cast him up on the bank, and he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him': But I cast (the garment of) love over thee from Me: and (this) in order that thou mayest be reared under Mine eye.
020.040 YUSUFALI: "Behold! thy sister goeth forth and saith, 'shall I show you one who will nurse and rear the (child)?' So We brought thee back to thy mother, that her eye might be cooled and she should not grieve. Then thou didst slay a man, but We saved thee from trouble, and We tried thee in various ways. Then didst thou tarry a number of years with the people of Midian. Then didst thou come hither as ordained, O Moses!
028.010
YUSUFALI: But there came to be a void in the heart of the mother of Moses: She was going almost to disclose his (case), had We not strengthened her heart (with faith), so that she might remain a (firm) believer.
028.011 YUSUFALI: And she said to the sister of (Moses), "Follow him" so she (the sister) watched him in the character of a stranger. And they knew not.
028.012 YUSUFALI: And we ordained that he refused suck at first, until (His sister came up and) said: "Shall I point out to you the people of a house that will nourish and bring him up for you and be sincerely attached to him?"...
028.013 YUSUFALI: Thus did We restore him to his mother, that her eye might be comforted, that she might not grieve, and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true: but most of them do not understand. Moodswingster ( talk) 21:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
There is no need to add any situation needed mainly because Ironically there is a Hadith mentioned talking about the name of Moses's sister and that hadith can be found the link YOU provided which is the Quranic and biblical narratives in that Hadith Prophet Mohamed states people back then used to give names of important figures to another which lead to the mother of Christ called Mary but however Muslim scholars coined up a name for the sister of Moses calling her Meeriam instead of Maryam to remove confusion because she is not mentioned by name in the Quran Moodswingster ( talk) 12:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
There is a controvery over this in the academic literature that is not reflected in the article. See for instance [1], [2] [3] [4]
[6] Dougweller ( talk) 12:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Why isnt there any Biblical account of Miriam?! 82.194.62.25 ( talk) 09:26, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
This major edit was done under the advice of a wiki-Editor who, after reviewing the proposed additions, advised to expand the current article on Miriam, rather then starting a new one under a different title. The intention of this edit was to add, not subtract or delete. Thus, nearly all of the original content was preserved, but re-ordered and integrated into a chronological presentation of the life of Miriam. Much effort was invested to preserve the wording of the original content, except where it was inaccurate based on the sources provided, or unclear. Regarding citations, many of the originals were corrected, expanded or elucidated. And some were added where missing. The use of citations from Jewish primary sources (Tanach, Talmud, Midrash, Classical Commentators, etc.), while extensive, is no different than as in the original, but more complete and accurate.
Jbu777 ( talk) 16:06, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
This is pretty much unsourced OR, and has been vandalized in any case.
Jacob | Leah | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Levi | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Gershon | Kohath | Merari | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Libni | Shimei | Izhar | Hebron | Uzziel | Mahli | Mushi | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jochebed | Amram | Mishael | Elzaphan | Zithri | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
{{{HUR}}} | Miriam | Aaron | Moses | Zipporah | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Gershom | Eliezer | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Jytdog (
talk)
02:25, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Muslim female saints,Islamic personalities mentioned in the Hebrew Bible,Islamic figures,Muslim female saints from the Old Testament,Christian female saints from the Old Testament, have been removed as categories. Per WP:CATV Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories. The article does not source the claim that Miriam is a saint, whether Christian or Muslim, at all. Per WP:CATDEF A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having". It is not a defining characteristic of this person that she is an "Islamic figure" or "Islamic personality". Smeat75 ( talk) 00:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
The "Torah"
Pharisaic Talmudic demons
You're not the people of the old testament, you are not Hebrews. 94.156.230.143 ( talk) 17:36, 4 January 2022 (UTC)