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Counting the Mexican League and Dominican Summer League teams, which are MiLB member leagues, there's 46 AAA, 30 AA, 30 High A, 30 Low A, 22 A Short Season, 18 Rookie Advanced, 40 Rookie complex, and 45 DSL teams. That adds up to 261. So the 256 number is actually outdated, as it's become more common for teams to have multiple complex or DSL teams. But it's certainly not 160; that number is quoted when people talk about domestic minor league affiliates that charge admission and ignores the foreign and complex teams.
oknazevad (
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06:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)reply
MiLB announced a reduction of North American (USA) teams that charge admission (exempt are the Arizona Rookie and Gulf Coast) from 160 to 118 in the next 2 years, along with the elimination of 2 Short-Season Class A and Advanced Rookie leagues each. I suppose each of the 30 major league teams will have one Class A and one Rookie team each by 2023. And independent leagues without major league baseball team affiliation tend to be financially struggling, they may go out of business.
2605:E000:100D:C571:814E:3DF0:D65C:DE13 (
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00:23, 27 July 2020 (UTC)reply
They haven't announced any final decisions. Those are proposals put forth by Major League Baseball. It's too soon to change anything in this article (outside of the mention of the ongoing process that's already included), as the final results are not yet known. Yes there's going to be some major changes. No, we don't know what they will look like exactly yet.
oknazevad (
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03:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC)reply
But we have confirmation they exist from the existing references. And they are on the milb.com site, under the other teams where the leagues are linked. I strenuously object to their removal. They exist and are part of the MLB clubs affiliates.
oknazevad (
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02:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Actually, how did you come up with that number? They haven't really announced the complex teams yet.. but I believe I heard that they were only going to have one team per franchise in the AZL and GCL this year... and the Dominican complex teams still exist.
Spanneraol (
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02:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Exactly where i got the number from. Per reporting at Baseball America and other sources, only one complex team per Major League organization, which is a simple calculation of 120 + 30 = 150. The Dominican teams are mentioned separately in the following sentence.
oknazevad (
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02:16, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Unless it’s changed, the Brewers (for example) are planning on two AZL teams, one standalone DSL team, and a co-op with Toronto.
[1] Also, I think complex teams should be included in the count.
NatureBoyMD (
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02:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Technically there could be two complex teams per MLB organization, but its unlikely given the stricter cap on number of minor leaguers each organization can have under contract. See:
[2],
[3], though it is a subscription (and I will admit that I signed up for a Baseball America subscription just to follow these developments.)
oknazevad (
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02:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Oknazevad: Um, I don’t see where in your links it mentions the rookie league having 30 teams, I just see mentions of 120 teams. (Btw, I am subscribed) Also, it says 120 teams on the official MiLB Instagram page.
SportsFan007 (
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03:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The rookie complex leagues are discussed in the second link I included. Some organizations might decide to field two, as Naitch noted above, so the final count isn't exactly known, but it is definitely not 120 when rookie teams are included, and they should definitely be included.
oknazevad (
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13:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes they are, and they always have been counted in this article. That's the issue with the 120 number, it doesn't account for those teams. The milb.com website does include those teams, but only listed by league. The other affiliates used to be listed by league as well before the changes, and, as noted in the respective articles, things like league names are not finalized, so they may be so listed again once those details are finalized. There are more than 120 teams in the new minor league organization, so only listing that number is plain incorrect.
oknazevad (
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20:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The majority of the old league names are returning but it’s not the actual original leagues though.
The majority of the old league names are returning but it’s not the actual original leagues though. Should we rename the new league articles or merge the new league articles into the old league articles?
Granthew (
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19:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Currently the opening sentence in the article is: "Minor League Baseball (MiLB) is a professional baseball organization below Major League Baseball (MLB), including teams affiliated with MLB clubs and independent baseball leagues consisting of unaffiliated teams."
While the "organization" does include 120 affiliated teams (plus Dominican Republic League), it doesn't include "independent" baseball leagues. My thinking is that the should be something similar to this: "Minor League Baseball (MiLB) is a term for professional baseball that is played below the major league level."
What should be the correct sentence?
Ccui123 (
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16:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
We come here to the problem that this article is supposed to be about the organization of affiliated teams (hence the capitalized title) and not really about the indy leagues. There is an
independent baseball league article, which should be mentioned here (and more than just a see also link), but shouldn't be included in the first sentence.
oknazevad (
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17:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Minor League Baseball was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the
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Counting the Mexican League and Dominican Summer League teams, which are MiLB member leagues, there's 46 AAA, 30 AA, 30 High A, 30 Low A, 22 A Short Season, 18 Rookie Advanced, 40 Rookie complex, and 45 DSL teams. That adds up to 261. So the 256 number is actually outdated, as it's become more common for teams to have multiple complex or DSL teams. But it's certainly not 160; that number is quoted when people talk about domestic minor league affiliates that charge admission and ignores the foreign and complex teams.
oknazevad (
talk)
06:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)reply
MiLB announced a reduction of North American (USA) teams that charge admission (exempt are the Arizona Rookie and Gulf Coast) from 160 to 118 in the next 2 years, along with the elimination of 2 Short-Season Class A and Advanced Rookie leagues each. I suppose each of the 30 major league teams will have one Class A and one Rookie team each by 2023. And independent leagues without major league baseball team affiliation tend to be financially struggling, they may go out of business.
2605:E000:100D:C571:814E:3DF0:D65C:DE13 (
talk)
00:23, 27 July 2020 (UTC)reply
They haven't announced any final decisions. Those are proposals put forth by Major League Baseball. It's too soon to change anything in this article (outside of the mention of the ongoing process that's already included), as the final results are not yet known. Yes there's going to be some major changes. No, we don't know what they will look like exactly yet.
oknazevad (
talk)
03:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC)reply
But we have confirmation they exist from the existing references. And they are on the milb.com site, under the other teams where the leagues are linked. I strenuously object to their removal. They exist and are part of the MLB clubs affiliates.
oknazevad (
talk)
02:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Actually, how did you come up with that number? They haven't really announced the complex teams yet.. but I believe I heard that they were only going to have one team per franchise in the AZL and GCL this year... and the Dominican complex teams still exist.
Spanneraol (
talk)
02:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Exactly where i got the number from. Per reporting at Baseball America and other sources, only one complex team per Major League organization, which is a simple calculation of 120 + 30 = 150. The Dominican teams are mentioned separately in the following sentence.
oknazevad (
talk)
02:16, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Unless it’s changed, the Brewers (for example) are planning on two AZL teams, one standalone DSL team, and a co-op with Toronto.
[1] Also, I think complex teams should be included in the count.
NatureBoyMD (
talk)
02:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Technically there could be two complex teams per MLB organization, but its unlikely given the stricter cap on number of minor leaguers each organization can have under contract. See:
[2],
[3], though it is a subscription (and I will admit that I signed up for a Baseball America subscription just to follow these developments.)
oknazevad (
talk)
02:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Oknazevad: Um, I don’t see where in your links it mentions the rookie league having 30 teams, I just see mentions of 120 teams. (Btw, I am subscribed) Also, it says 120 teams on the official MiLB Instagram page.
SportsFan007 (
talk)
03:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The rookie complex leagues are discussed in the second link I included. Some organizations might decide to field two, as Naitch noted above, so the final count isn't exactly known, but it is definitely not 120 when rookie teams are included, and they should definitely be included.
oknazevad (
talk)
13:04, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Yes they are, and they always have been counted in this article. That's the issue with the 120 number, it doesn't account for those teams. The milb.com website does include those teams, but only listed by league. The other affiliates used to be listed by league as well before the changes, and, as noted in the respective articles, things like league names are not finalized, so they may be so listed again once those details are finalized. There are more than 120 teams in the new minor league organization, so only listing that number is plain incorrect.
oknazevad (
talk)
20:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The majority of the old league names are returning but it’s not the actual original leagues though.
The majority of the old league names are returning but it’s not the actual original leagues though. Should we rename the new league articles or merge the new league articles into the old league articles?
Granthew (
talk)
19:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)reply
Currently the opening sentence in the article is: "Minor League Baseball (MiLB) is a professional baseball organization below Major League Baseball (MLB), including teams affiliated with MLB clubs and independent baseball leagues consisting of unaffiliated teams."
While the "organization" does include 120 affiliated teams (plus Dominican Republic League), it doesn't include "independent" baseball leagues. My thinking is that the should be something similar to this: "Minor League Baseball (MiLB) is a term for professional baseball that is played below the major league level."
What should be the correct sentence?
Ccui123 (
talk)
16:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
We come here to the problem that this article is supposed to be about the organization of affiliated teams (hence the capitalized title) and not really about the indy leagues. There is an
independent baseball league article, which should be mentioned here (and more than just a see also link), but shouldn't be included in the first sentence.
oknazevad (
talk)
17:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply