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Before this goes on the front page, can someone make sure all of the images are legit? I've noticed a lot of problems with recent front page articles where problems are discovered with fair use images after it's up on the front page. Let's not let that happen here. Gopher backer 19:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
(removing indent) - hrm the copyright looks dubious to me. It says copyrighted 2003 so and so on the link provided but the WP page says it's free to use. I have included it here at 100px, the normal front page image size. EDIT: it's at least partially wrong for sure, see here [1] - Ravedave 05:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there any precedent for protecting an article temporarily when it is featured on the main page? I was just looking at the history for today's featured article and it is getting quite a bit of vandalism.-- Daveswagon 21:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that Wikipedia:Main Page featured article protection should be redrafted or not? Please help form consensus at Wikipedia talk:Main Page featured article protection#Consensus. DrKiernan 09:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Can someone check this — it used to say one, now it says seven.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
What's up with the superscripted ordinals? Wouldn't it make mroe sense to keep them on the line 71.102.134.129 02:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only Minnesotan ([ˌmɪnəˈsoʊʔn̩]) who pronounces Minnesota [ˌmɪnəˈsoʊɾə]? -- Ilikeverin 02:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Keep up the good work, so far I'd say it's worth it. Some copy fixes and two good {{fact}} tempaltes added. Keep an eye on collateral articles as well, I am seeing for the most part improvements (yay!) but occasional vandalism on pages as obscure as How to Talk Minnesotan. Also I highly recommend installing "Twinkle" a tool to fight vandalism, it's pretty easy to add. - Ravedave 03:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I thought there had been a longstanding practice of not showcasing articles on days when the subject is connected with that date. Today is May 11, the anniversary of Minnesota statehood. Of course, I'm not complaining. Congratulations to the to editors who worked to get this article featured. Jonathunder 04:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The state seal has a white background when it would be nicer if it were transparent. There is apparently another version of the seal which is darker and "used on all state sites". Is it proper? Which is 'the real seal'? etc. Thanks. gren グレン 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
From the "History" section:
Looks like weasel words to me, especially as there's no reference given for the claim. Loganberry ( Talk) 11:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The third paragraph of the Politics section refers to the DFL for the first time in the article without a wiki link, let alone a fuller explanation. It is then fully introduced in the fourth paragraph. As I am neither a contributor to this article nor a Minnesotan, I'll leave it to someone else to make a change, but at the very least the first reference should be the one with the wiki link. Thanks. (And congrats to the authors/editors!) Jlaramee 13:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I was born and raised in Minneapolis and worked there as a journalist in my 20s. I don't recall ever hearing "the rest of the state" described as "greater Minnesota." Okay, I haven't lived there in 30 years — is this some recent tongue-in-cheek term, a Keillorism perhaps?
Whatever it is, I don't like the imperial sound of it. Reminds one of "the Greater German Reich" ("Großdeutschereich") of 1939-45.
Both University of Minnesota Medical Center and the Weisman Art Museum are on the campus, along with most of the other buildings seen.-- Appraiser 16:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I've recently uploaded this photo of Northrop Mall. It could be an alternative to the current Washington Ave. Bridge picture.--
Gopherbone
16:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
How can an article on Minnesota with no mention of the Louisiana Purchase be considered one of the best articles in Wikipedia and worthy of featured article status? Someone (who knows more on the topic than me) really needs to talk about that not-so-minor bit of history.
Xinconnu 13:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Various anon IP's keep re-pasting unsourced content on the German population in Minnesota under the demographics section. Even though it's unsourced, I opted to paste it onto the Demographics of Minnesota subarticle while removing it from the main article, yet it keeps getting added on to the main article. Would anyone like to justify its inclusion in the main article? Eco84 | Talk 01:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello. You have added unsourced material to this article, which is a Featured Article. Unsourced material does not belong on featured articles. Moreover your materials are out of place on the Minnesota page, and have instead been moved to Demographics of Minnesota. Please do not add the material again to Minnesota, as there is a clear consensus against doing so. Users Elkman, Kablammo, Appraiser, Eco84, AndonicO, and Ravedave all have removed that material or have expressed an opinion on this issue. If you feel the material belongs on the main article, discuss it first on Talk:Minnesota#.22The_German_element.22. The continued insertion of the material against consensus is becoming vandalism, and your continued reversions violates the three revert rule, which can get you blocked. Please stop now.
I have some information from the William Lass book that would be an acceptably citable source for immigration patterns and statistics. That said, it would be unfair to cover only the Germans without also covering the Scandinavian settlers (Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes), the Irish, and a relatively small number of Canadians. Southern and eastern European immigrants came later, settling mostly in the Iron Range. And don't forget that the Dakota and Ojibwe were here first. Basically, we can't cover immigration from just one ethnic group without mentioning the other ethnic groups as well, and that information would be better suited for a subarticle. OK? -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
doesn't this deserve a picture? Tkjazzer 00:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
An image showing Minnesota's design for the 50 State Quarters program was recently added to the "Economy" section. Any thoughts? I think there might be too may images in this section and think it might work better in the "Outdoor Recreation" section because it depicts a typical fishing scene, or in the "State Symbols" section. -- Gopherbone 17:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
During and since the appearance of this article on the main page there have been a number of changes. It perhaps is time to discuss which of those we want to keep, and which we want to trim or remove. Here are some I have noticed; feel free to add any others:
Add any other concerns to the above list, and express your thoughts on any or all of them. Kablammo 18:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Should the new seatbelt law and smoking ban be mentioned in the article? - Ravedave 18:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice if we could just get a chart for the population growth like most other states have.
68.49.1.207 16:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it a fact that Henry Longfellow visited Minnesota? I was under the impression that he had not.-- Appraiser 16:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
About a year ago, there was a discussion on statistics for church affiliation, now archived at Talk:Minnesota/Archive_1#Religion. The ARIS survey was used, and has been cited in the article for about a year, including during the FA review and main page. A new user and contributor to Minnesota pages has provided different statistics. We should discuss the matter here to see if we can come to a consensus.
ARIS can be criticized as it relies on self-reporting by individuals. But that is common in any survey. Self-reporting by denominations is subject to challenge as methodolgy may vary, and people do not always give notice when they leave a church. So last year we decided to use ARIS, which has a consistent and defined methodolgy. (There are no census data on religion-- the census no longer collects such information.) Kablammo 19:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I have problems with the new Religion section in the Minnesota Article. In short I agree with Appraiser. Until a more suitable source is revealed for this data, and some work is made to format (a sandbox is a handy tool for working on articles till you get it right)correctlly I'm reverting the section to the older version.
Watching the news right now. A bridge in Minneapolis just collapsed. This probably requires some current event editing on the relevant articles.-- Daveswagon 23:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't suppose some Saint Paul-ite would be able to get a better picture of this Cathedral, could they? Looking at it now just about gives me a headache, with its tiltiness. Thanks! -- Marumari 22:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
There have been a number additions of content to this section, detailing with recent national, state, and even local senate district elections. [17] and [18] The additions are in good faith and factual, but are unnecessarily detailed in an article of this breadth. This is not a section I worked on during the FA drive. Can someone look at these additions (and the original content) and determine what should stay, what should go, and what should be moved? Kablammo 20:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
These contributions have now been removed; the first some time ago, and the second now. The second (involving pioneering female legislators) may belong in Politics of Minnesota, but was uncited. Kablammo ( talk) 05:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is moved here from my talk page. It relates to the statement in the introduction on the ancestry of Minnesotans.] ______________________________
Hello Kablammo. Regarding the Minnesota article, you have been reverting edits of Minnesota Ancestry from Western to Northern European. Listing German ancestry as being Northern European. Upon going to the Western European article I saw that Germany was listed as being considered a part of Western Europe according to the UN. Admittedly it is unsourced. However, I think it bears examining. I tried going to the UN website and checking it out but I couldn't find anything to confirm that with a cursory examination. As it also conflicts with the Demographics section of the Minnesota article as being of 75% Western European ancestry. Thought you might want to know. Showers ( talk) 07:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
It was discussing the image of the state. Maybe we should go back to something like that. Kablammo ( talk) 11:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)Its image as a primarily white, Scandinavian, and Lutheran state still has some truth, but it is changing, with substantial influxes of African, Asian, and Hispanic immigrants joining the descendants of European immigrants and Native American descendants of the original inhabitants.
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I took a stab at a revision:
The state's image of being populated by whites of Nordic and Germanic descent has some truth, but diversity is increasing; substantial influxes of African, Asian, and Latin American immigrants have joined the descendants of European immigrants and of the original Native American inhabitants.
Any other suggestions? Kablammo ( talk) 16:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi. In the absence of any written color standard (could have been Pantone or sRBG—anything would have settled this closer than what follows), yesterday I modified the Image:Flag of Minnesota.svg ( Flag of Minnesota) to a less-green blue. Corrections welcome. I find looking quickly, three sources. According to their Web site, the nearest Annin & Company dealer in Minnesota is American Flagpole & Flag in Lake Elmo, if anyone is nearby. Annin who was the technical consultant to the 1955 commission ( Session Weekly page 1) has wide distribution ( ZIP search). The Rev. William Becker is a co-proponent of the modernized flag proposal (boy I can see a line at Kinko's banners if anyone revives that contest) as well as author of the article the legislature points to in Minnesota History (1992). The final source is the state. The statute says the Secretary of State shall keep a 1) "photograph", and 2) "custodial control over the sample design flag of the commission". So there must be a physical flag model somewhere. Becker talks about "Union blue" in his article and is quoted in places as saying "deep blue" but I think he is in agreement with the statute which says "medium blue" with a "narrow gold border" and "golden fringe". So what "medium blue"? Guess what. Link #1 is to Wikipedia (Wikimedia).
For reference I used an eyedropper in Illustrator from sos.state.mn.us ( image which looks like a match for the legislature's image, thank heavens). The source of the old blue-green is a mystery. Disclaimer: I am not a color expert (color takes a lifetime and even then, today computer hardware and software have opinions, in my opinion). Best wishes. - Susanlesch ( talk) 06:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Good source on Minnesota elections and voter participation: [23] Kablammo ( talk) 19:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The phrase “due in part to its liberal voter registration laws,” seems like an opinion, and designed to taint the turnout achievement of Minnesota. I do not see a citation supporting the assertion that Minnesotans would decrease their participation if a different registration process were in place.
I think this is due to the current election maneuvers creeping in to the article.
Acceptablefalsehoods (
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13:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
It is reasonable to state the nature of Minnesota's registration laws, but to state that there is a causal relationship between those laws and turnout needs support. Acceptablefalsehoods ( talk) 13:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Characterizing the registration laws as liberal or lax should also be cited with some kind of source that ranks the laws relative to other states. Without that, it should simply describe the registration laws. Acceptablefalsehoods ( talk) 13:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
204.73.55.10 ( talk) 17:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)I would add, in addition to the above, that "virtually no evidence of voter fraud" ought to be removed as a conclusory assertion rather than a fact. While it cites an Ohio law review article, the article also discusses much of the discord surrounding the ability of the Minnesota secretary of state to influence election results in a partisan manner. In addition, the recent investigation of ACORN voter fraud conduct in Minnesota (cleared), as well as the conviction of ACORN worker (Joshua Reed) caught with hundreds of forged voter registration cards in his trunk, raises the concerns that the Minnesota process may not be as transparent or immune from fraud as previously asserted.
Kablammo ( talk) 22:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
As per discussion above, article will be reviewed and updated, web sites checked with link—checking tool, and accessdates renewed to demonstrate completion. Volunteers are needed! Adopt a section below, and add your name or ~~~~ when you complete it. Kablammo ( talk) 01:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering why this article claims that minnesota is a swing state. you might want to visit http://www.presidentelect.org/index.html, thanks. Dwilso 19:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Lead section#Bold_title says "Avoid links in the bold title words", maybe there is a way to keep the audio without linking the article name. This is just a guideline but this is quite exceptional to see a link like this. Cenarium (talk) 20:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I have not made much of a look on the MN page, but I am wondering if it's a good idea to add the four corners of MN counties, and include the farthest town too. For example, Eitzen, MN in Houston County. Cedarvale1965-08 ( talk) 01:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I can't find an article on Pioneer Village (Montevideo, Minnesota). But even more shocking, I can't find anything on
snickerdoodle salad
snickers salad,
glorified rice,
pistachio salad,
seven-layer salad jello, pretzel
jello salad,
corn casserole, or
salad pie. Why are you depriving the rest of the world of this important Knowledge???
ChildofMidnight (
talk)
21:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm noticing several edits where "American Indian" is being replaced with "Native American". Is this necessary? I am not either, but when speaking to the Mdewakanton Sioux here in Dakota county, I hear them using both phrases. Each time I've pressed for a clarification, I've been told "it's all in how you say it". Evidently either term can be seen as respectful or derogatory, so I wonder at the need to be switching back and forth in the article. Just curious as to how others feel on this issue. Rapier1 ( talk) 21:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
In the popular culture section, there is a list of "other large annual festivals", but no indication of how those were chosen to be included. It's certainly not 'largest' in terms of public attendance. (For example, the Twin Cities Pride Celebration has a larger attendance than several of them.) I suppose the Winter Carnival and Aquatennial could be regarded as uniquely Minnesotan, but the Renaissance Festival is just one of many promoted in various states by the same business. And the others are just a few examples of typical small-town summer festivals -- why were these ones chosen out of the many held each summer? Some logic as to what is listed here would be helpful. T-bonham ( talk) 07:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following text from "Geography"; I'm not sure if any of this text would be appropriate under Transportation. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The Great Lakes Circle Tour is a designated scenic road system connecting all of the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence River. [1]
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The "Politics" section contained a paragraph on the 2008 senate election and current contest. I have deleted it, as it seemed to give too much emphasis to a recent and ongoing event. This article is an overview or survey of all aspects of the state, its landforms, history, economics, demographics, business, goverment, and society, and already may be too long. It certainly takes a very long time to load on a dialup, and even longer when versions are compared. As there is a separate article on United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008 there is no need for mention of it here; when the contest is complete (or at least when the senator is seated) this article ( Minnesota) can be updated. Kablammo ( talk) 15:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
In the Minnesota state emblems I want to mention the mosquito somehow. Although it's not really the official state bird state emblem, it's such a universal joke in Minnesota and does provide such insight into the culture of Minnesota that I believe to merits recognition. I'm surprised I haven't seen any other references to it on this talk page. Thoughts? -- Thomasdelbert ( talk) 14:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This article was promoted to featured status in 2006, after five or six months of efforts by many editors. Unlike many articles which are principally authored by one person, or where the subjects are split up among several people, the article is the result of a true collaboration, without edit wars, and all disagreements resolved by discussion and agreement. The archives show how the present article was created.
To keep featured status and maintain the integrity of the article, here are a few requests:
All articles need fresh looks, and there is always room for improvement. But if an article is not to deteriorate over time, and avoid delisting as a featured article after a featured article review, we need to make sure that new additions or changes are well-written and, where needed, cited to a reliable source by properly-formatted citations.
Kablammo ( talk) 23:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Hockey is now the state sport and there are new population figures. Don't have time to add them now. - Ravedave ( talk) 05:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you for your recent edits over at Minnesota. You mentioned a guideline for liberalism/proggesiveness. I haven't found one, so maybe we could work together on creating one. I would love to hear your ideas. Wm.C (talk) 04:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't remember where I read what I read, or if what I read was a policy or just sounded right to me. The gist was that American left/liberal and right/conservative are fairly moderate, in a global sense. As Wikipedia is a global site, we need to be cognizant of potential misunderstandings. I tried for about half and hour to find what I had read again, but wasn't able to, unfortunately. If you feel we should take this to Talk:Minnesota, feel free to move this thread. Keep me in the loop. Thanks.—C45207 | Talk 04:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC) No problem. I will. Wm.C (talk) 05:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
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Can someone please justify the progressive word in the title, if indeed it is still there?
Have changed progressive to liberal. Wm.C ( talk) 05:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
IS it OK if point out that "the Land of 10,000 Lakes" is actually incorrect, and that there are more than this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EdyaJ ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the "Race and ethnicity" section I created is always being converted back to the "Ancestry" version. I believe that my edits on the "Race and ethnicity" section I created are more detailed than the edits in the "Ancestry" version. It gives more statistics and the references given prove that the statistics are correct. On the racial composition part of the section, the figures that were given were incorrect due to the fact that the reference provided did not display the percentages given. I fixed the racial composition part by putting in the correct percentages from the reference I provided. But it keeps being converted back to the original section and I don't know why. I got a message on my talk page from Dabomb87 telling me not to undo others' edits without explaining why in the edit summary. As a reaction, I undid the last version and put it back to my version. In addition, I put "The statistics on the racial composition were incorrect because the reference given did not show that those statistics were correct" in the edit summary. I apologize for not putting in an edit summary earlier. I just want my edits to stay on that section because I know they are correct. Cool Stuff Is Cool ( talk) 05:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC) Cool Stuff Is Cool
Just noticed that the dimensions of the state are given as 400 miles long and 250 miles wide. I'm curious as to the source, since at its widest the state is a full 400 miles wide (measured from the tip of the arrowhead westward to the North Dakota border). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.139.29.234 ( talk) 17:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I added an image of the state's license plate, but it was removed on aesthetic grounds with the request that it be discussed on the talk page. I think such an image, of the state's current license plate design, is warranted for inclusion in this article. Qqqqqq ( talk) 05:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I've heard "Minnesota" translates to "land of sky-tinted waters", "land of cloudy waters" and "land of muddy waters". Which do reliable sources claim is most accurate? (By the way, a Hamm's beer commercial used "land of sky blue waters." I'd like to think that is the translation, but that certainly isn't a reliable source.) SlowJog ( talk) 20:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC) Given the demonstration of the word mentioned in the article, it is likely to be "muddy waters" or "cloudy waters" SlowJog ( talk) 17:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Really not sure how to report this, but it looks like this wiki has been vandalized with some extremely inappropriate comments. The comments are made right at the top of the page, and I could not figure out how to edit it out.
Sorry I could not be of more help, but I only made an account after noticing this issue and am not familiar with how to make changes on this site.
Dinkus —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinkus Mayhem ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
What is this strange problem with 'Electoral votes'? In 'US state' block 'Electoral votes' value is {{{ElectoralVotes}}}. When I try to edit something, I find nothing about 'Electoral votes' in the source. Please sorry for I'm newbie. The same problem is in the 'North Dakota' page but not in the 'California' one.
In reference to the following: White families earned more income than the national average but among the population under age 18, more than 20% of Asians and Hispanics, more than 40% of African Americans and more than 40% of Native American females in Minnesota lived in poverty.[57]
The citation is for a study done on poverty in adolescent females in Minnesota, completely unrelated to the first part of the sentence which talks about average family income. Thus the percentages are misconstrued to be representative of the poverty rate (inference for family income) for Asians, Hispanics, African Americans and Native Americans in general. The choice of the author to not include the rates for European Americans is also suspicious.
According to a couple sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-15-asians_N.htm http://www.nccp.org/profiles/MN_profile_6.html
The two sources above are for the population in general (though the second link is a study on children).
In conclusion, I believe the sentence is inaccurate, may lead people to think that all minorities have lower income and higher poverty rates than European Americans. If the statement is about family income, then it should consistently be about family income (in which case the implications of the author are erroneous as certain minority groups have a higher average family income). If it's about poverty levels in general, then let it be about poverty levels of the entire Minnesota population and not just adolescent females.
I propose that the sentence be deleted.
Drminnesota ( talk) 20:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Drminnesota ( talk) 22:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
A few things I tried to change that got reverted:
Snowy Owls are rare winter visitors to Minnesota. Including them as iconic birds of Minnesota is simply misleading. We're lucky if we get more than a couple dozen a year (2011 being an exception).
I'd like to suggest an alternative of "It is home to many birds of prey including Red-tailed Hawks, Osprey, Peregrine Falcons, and the largest breeding population of Bald Eagles in the lower 48 states as of 2007." to "It is home to birds of prey including the largest number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the lower 48 states as of 2007,[25] red-tailed hawk, and snowy owl."
Osprey and Peregrine Falcons are both iconic raptors that breed here. Our population of Peregrines is recovering quite nicely after the DDT crash and they can be seen around the Twin Cities as well as up on the North Shore.
Someone also reverted a section on songbirds I added. If we've got a sentence on ducks, fish, raptors, and mammals, why not have a sentence on some of the songbirds we have? We've got an amazing amount of variety in our state that we should be proud of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.20.190 ( talk) 18:45, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
WP:SEEALSO states:
Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense. The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number. As a general rule the "See also" section should not repeat links which appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes. Thus, many high-quality, comprehensive articles do not have a "See also" section.
I have reverted a recent edit to this section. [25] The change added the following links (which I removed by the revert):
I have kept what was there before:
To add the geography outline and portal to this article means they could be added to any article about a place. The history outline and portal could be added to any article which contains historical facts. The North America portal could be added to any article about any place (and perhaps any subject) about or affecting North America. The Outline of the United States could be added to any article about any subject involving the U.S. These are too far afield for this article, and it is very unlikely someone would come here to find those outlines and portals.
The United States book is already linked in the bottom navbox, as is the United States portal, which means they should be eliminated here, under the Manual of Style quote above.
This is a featured quality, comprehensive article, with a variety of links within and at the head of sections, and no less than three navboxes. There is no need for these additional links. Kablammo ( talk) 17:14, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that Finns are grouped into the same category as Norwegians, Swedes, Faroese, etc, in the ancestry portion of the Demographics. Finns are not Scandinavians, nor have they ever been Scandinavians; they are a Finno-Ugric people (in the same lump as Hungarians and Estonians) whose culture, language and physical features are distinct from that of any Scandinavians, who are of Germanic descent. Thanks! Boredwibilly ( talk) 20:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC) boredwibilly (User talk:boredwibilly|talk]]) 28 June 2011.
In the "Popular Culture" section, second paragraph, just before the second sentence, I'm getting this sentence fragment in my browser window as I view the article: the muther sucker. It's after the first period, before the beginning of the second sentence. But when I view the actual article, thinking to edit this out, it's not there. A little too deep for me. What's going on here? Craeburn ( talk) 14:40, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello there,
in the German Wikipedia I just found a sentence in the Minnesota article.
Seit Freitag, 1. Juli 2011 ist Minnesota als erster amerikanischer Staat zahlungsunfähig und nicht in der Lage, seine Rechnungen zu begleichen. Als erste Folge blieben am amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitstag, am 4. Juli, der Zoo und Nationalparks geschlossen. Bauarbeiten an Straßen wurden eingestellt und 22.000 staatliche Bedienstete werden auf nicht absehbare Zeit kein Gehalt bekommen und müssen unbezahlten Urlaub nehmen.
I try to translate as good as I can:
On Friday, 1st July 2011 Minnesota became insolvent as the first U.S. state and is therefore not able to pay its bills. The first consequence was seen on the Independence Day (4. July) when zoos and national parks had to be closed. Roadworks were stopped and 22.000 officials will not get their wage for an indefinitely/unknown time and have to take unpaid holidays.
Oh... this is really exhausting but a good training :D I hope you got all the information from my translation. But my question is: I could not find anything about this in the article?? It is a very important thing.
Greetings from Berlin, Germany, Europe ;) -- Kilon22 ( talk) 13:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Elkman,
thank you for your quick answer and the good explanation. I see you got everything under controll ;) I just wanted to help, you know sometimes things are missing in articles, in almost everyone and "we" are trying to improve them and create more and more articles :) I do only few edits in English Wikipedia, in German at least I have around 1,200, but in most cases the English Wikipedia is the best, but the German isn't bad too - compared to others.
I hope Europe and the USA get somehow out of this debt crisis. I know the american media reports much more about the European debt problems, so they don't need to bring so much about the american debt problems and the United States Federal debt is somewhere between 16.266.000.000.000 and 16.363.600.000.000 US-$ right now. This of course is without the debt of the states and countys, all together is more than 19.000.000.000.000 or 19 trillion US-$. Reading "19 trillion" or seeing the many numbers is a big difference (seeing? correct word?!). I hope we handle it, the USA and Europe are different in many way of course, but at least every white guys family once came from Europe and cultural problems like maybe in Africa or Asia are almost not existing in Europe for US people :)
I don't want to become China more powerful than the USA.
Greetings Kilon22 ( talk) 15:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
There should be a link to 2011 Minnesota state government shutdown in the History section. Laurusnobilis ( talk) 18:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Intro: were not the indigenous tribes there before the European invasion? How about from:
Substantial influxes of Asian, African, and Latin American immigrants have joined the descendants of European settlers and the original Native American inhabitants.
to:
Substantial influxes of Asian, African, and Latin American immigrants have joined the indigenous Native American peripatetic tribes and descendants of invasive European settlers.
Saludos! Timpo ( talk) 17:24, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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Before this goes on the front page, can someone make sure all of the images are legit? I've noticed a lot of problems with recent front page articles where problems are discovered with fair use images after it's up on the front page. Let's not let that happen here. Gopher backer 19:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
(removing indent) - hrm the copyright looks dubious to me. It says copyrighted 2003 so and so on the link provided but the WP page says it's free to use. I have included it here at 100px, the normal front page image size. EDIT: it's at least partially wrong for sure, see here [1] - Ravedave 05:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Is there any precedent for protecting an article temporarily when it is featured on the main page? I was just looking at the history for today's featured article and it is getting quite a bit of vandalism.-- Daveswagon 21:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that Wikipedia:Main Page featured article protection should be redrafted or not? Please help form consensus at Wikipedia talk:Main Page featured article protection#Consensus. DrKiernan 09:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Can someone check this — it used to say one, now it says seven.
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
What's up with the superscripted ordinals? Wouldn't it make mroe sense to keep them on the line 71.102.134.129 02:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only Minnesotan ([ˌmɪnəˈsoʊʔn̩]) who pronounces Minnesota [ˌmɪnəˈsoʊɾə]? -- Ilikeverin 02:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Keep up the good work, so far I'd say it's worth it. Some copy fixes and two good {{fact}} tempaltes added. Keep an eye on collateral articles as well, I am seeing for the most part improvements (yay!) but occasional vandalism on pages as obscure as How to Talk Minnesotan. Also I highly recommend installing "Twinkle" a tool to fight vandalism, it's pretty easy to add. - Ravedave 03:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I thought there had been a longstanding practice of not showcasing articles on days when the subject is connected with that date. Today is May 11, the anniversary of Minnesota statehood. Of course, I'm not complaining. Congratulations to the to editors who worked to get this article featured. Jonathunder 04:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The state seal has a white background when it would be nicer if it were transparent. There is apparently another version of the seal which is darker and "used on all state sites". Is it proper? Which is 'the real seal'? etc. Thanks. gren グレン 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
From the "History" section:
Looks like weasel words to me, especially as there's no reference given for the claim. Loganberry ( Talk) 11:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
The third paragraph of the Politics section refers to the DFL for the first time in the article without a wiki link, let alone a fuller explanation. It is then fully introduced in the fourth paragraph. As I am neither a contributor to this article nor a Minnesotan, I'll leave it to someone else to make a change, but at the very least the first reference should be the one with the wiki link. Thanks. (And congrats to the authors/editors!) Jlaramee 13:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I was born and raised in Minneapolis and worked there as a journalist in my 20s. I don't recall ever hearing "the rest of the state" described as "greater Minnesota." Okay, I haven't lived there in 30 years — is this some recent tongue-in-cheek term, a Keillorism perhaps?
Whatever it is, I don't like the imperial sound of it. Reminds one of "the Greater German Reich" ("Großdeutschereich") of 1939-45.
Both University of Minnesota Medical Center and the Weisman Art Museum are on the campus, along with most of the other buildings seen.-- Appraiser 16:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I've recently uploaded this photo of Northrop Mall. It could be an alternative to the current Washington Ave. Bridge picture.--
Gopherbone
16:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
How can an article on Minnesota with no mention of the Louisiana Purchase be considered one of the best articles in Wikipedia and worthy of featured article status? Someone (who knows more on the topic than me) really needs to talk about that not-so-minor bit of history.
Xinconnu 13:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Various anon IP's keep re-pasting unsourced content on the German population in Minnesota under the demographics section. Even though it's unsourced, I opted to paste it onto the Demographics of Minnesota subarticle while removing it from the main article, yet it keeps getting added on to the main article. Would anyone like to justify its inclusion in the main article? Eco84 | Talk 01:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello. You have added unsourced material to this article, which is a Featured Article. Unsourced material does not belong on featured articles. Moreover your materials are out of place on the Minnesota page, and have instead been moved to Demographics of Minnesota. Please do not add the material again to Minnesota, as there is a clear consensus against doing so. Users Elkman, Kablammo, Appraiser, Eco84, AndonicO, and Ravedave all have removed that material or have expressed an opinion on this issue. If you feel the material belongs on the main article, discuss it first on Talk:Minnesota#.22The_German_element.22. The continued insertion of the material against consensus is becoming vandalism, and your continued reversions violates the three revert rule, which can get you blocked. Please stop now.
I have some information from the William Lass book that would be an acceptably citable source for immigration patterns and statistics. That said, it would be unfair to cover only the Germans without also covering the Scandinavian settlers (Norwegians, Swedes, and Danes), the Irish, and a relatively small number of Canadians. Southern and eastern European immigrants came later, settling mostly in the Iron Range. And don't forget that the Dakota and Ojibwe were here first. Basically, we can't cover immigration from just one ethnic group without mentioning the other ethnic groups as well, and that information would be better suited for a subarticle. OK? -- Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
doesn't this deserve a picture? Tkjazzer 00:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
An image showing Minnesota's design for the 50 State Quarters program was recently added to the "Economy" section. Any thoughts? I think there might be too may images in this section and think it might work better in the "Outdoor Recreation" section because it depicts a typical fishing scene, or in the "State Symbols" section. -- Gopherbone 17:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
During and since the appearance of this article on the main page there have been a number of changes. It perhaps is time to discuss which of those we want to keep, and which we want to trim or remove. Here are some I have noticed; feel free to add any others:
Add any other concerns to the above list, and express your thoughts on any or all of them. Kablammo 18:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Should the new seatbelt law and smoking ban be mentioned in the article? - Ravedave 18:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice if we could just get a chart for the population growth like most other states have.
68.49.1.207 16:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it a fact that Henry Longfellow visited Minnesota? I was under the impression that he had not.-- Appraiser 16:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
About a year ago, there was a discussion on statistics for church affiliation, now archived at Talk:Minnesota/Archive_1#Religion. The ARIS survey was used, and has been cited in the article for about a year, including during the FA review and main page. A new user and contributor to Minnesota pages has provided different statistics. We should discuss the matter here to see if we can come to a consensus.
ARIS can be criticized as it relies on self-reporting by individuals. But that is common in any survey. Self-reporting by denominations is subject to challenge as methodolgy may vary, and people do not always give notice when they leave a church. So last year we decided to use ARIS, which has a consistent and defined methodolgy. (There are no census data on religion-- the census no longer collects such information.) Kablammo 19:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I have problems with the new Religion section in the Minnesota Article. In short I agree with Appraiser. Until a more suitable source is revealed for this data, and some work is made to format (a sandbox is a handy tool for working on articles till you get it right)correctlly I'm reverting the section to the older version.
Watching the news right now. A bridge in Minneapolis just collapsed. This probably requires some current event editing on the relevant articles.-- Daveswagon 23:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't suppose some Saint Paul-ite would be able to get a better picture of this Cathedral, could they? Looking at it now just about gives me a headache, with its tiltiness. Thanks! -- Marumari 22:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
There have been a number additions of content to this section, detailing with recent national, state, and even local senate district elections. [17] and [18] The additions are in good faith and factual, but are unnecessarily detailed in an article of this breadth. This is not a section I worked on during the FA drive. Can someone look at these additions (and the original content) and determine what should stay, what should go, and what should be moved? Kablammo 20:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
These contributions have now been removed; the first some time ago, and the second now. The second (involving pioneering female legislators) may belong in Politics of Minnesota, but was uncited. Kablammo ( talk) 05:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is moved here from my talk page. It relates to the statement in the introduction on the ancestry of Minnesotans.] ______________________________
Hello Kablammo. Regarding the Minnesota article, you have been reverting edits of Minnesota Ancestry from Western to Northern European. Listing German ancestry as being Northern European. Upon going to the Western European article I saw that Germany was listed as being considered a part of Western Europe according to the UN. Admittedly it is unsourced. However, I think it bears examining. I tried going to the UN website and checking it out but I couldn't find anything to confirm that with a cursory examination. As it also conflicts with the Demographics section of the Minnesota article as being of 75% Western European ancestry. Thought you might want to know. Showers ( talk) 07:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
It was discussing the image of the state. Maybe we should go back to something like that. Kablammo ( talk) 11:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)Its image as a primarily white, Scandinavian, and Lutheran state still has some truth, but it is changing, with substantial influxes of African, Asian, and Hispanic immigrants joining the descendants of European immigrants and Native American descendants of the original inhabitants.
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I took a stab at a revision:
The state's image of being populated by whites of Nordic and Germanic descent has some truth, but diversity is increasing; substantial influxes of African, Asian, and Latin American immigrants have joined the descendants of European immigrants and of the original Native American inhabitants.
Any other suggestions? Kablammo ( talk) 16:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi. In the absence of any written color standard (could have been Pantone or sRBG—anything would have settled this closer than what follows), yesterday I modified the Image:Flag of Minnesota.svg ( Flag of Minnesota) to a less-green blue. Corrections welcome. I find looking quickly, three sources. According to their Web site, the nearest Annin & Company dealer in Minnesota is American Flagpole & Flag in Lake Elmo, if anyone is nearby. Annin who was the technical consultant to the 1955 commission ( Session Weekly page 1) has wide distribution ( ZIP search). The Rev. William Becker is a co-proponent of the modernized flag proposal (boy I can see a line at Kinko's banners if anyone revives that contest) as well as author of the article the legislature points to in Minnesota History (1992). The final source is the state. The statute says the Secretary of State shall keep a 1) "photograph", and 2) "custodial control over the sample design flag of the commission". So there must be a physical flag model somewhere. Becker talks about "Union blue" in his article and is quoted in places as saying "deep blue" but I think he is in agreement with the statute which says "medium blue" with a "narrow gold border" and "golden fringe". So what "medium blue"? Guess what. Link #1 is to Wikipedia (Wikimedia).
For reference I used an eyedropper in Illustrator from sos.state.mn.us ( image which looks like a match for the legislature's image, thank heavens). The source of the old blue-green is a mystery. Disclaimer: I am not a color expert (color takes a lifetime and even then, today computer hardware and software have opinions, in my opinion). Best wishes. - Susanlesch ( talk) 06:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Good source on Minnesota elections and voter participation: [23] Kablammo ( talk) 19:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
The phrase “due in part to its liberal voter registration laws,” seems like an opinion, and designed to taint the turnout achievement of Minnesota. I do not see a citation supporting the assertion that Minnesotans would decrease their participation if a different registration process were in place.
I think this is due to the current election maneuvers creeping in to the article.
Acceptablefalsehoods (
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13:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
It is reasonable to state the nature of Minnesota's registration laws, but to state that there is a causal relationship between those laws and turnout needs support. Acceptablefalsehoods ( talk) 13:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Characterizing the registration laws as liberal or lax should also be cited with some kind of source that ranks the laws relative to other states. Without that, it should simply describe the registration laws. Acceptablefalsehoods ( talk) 13:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
204.73.55.10 ( talk) 17:38, 3 April 2009 (UTC)I would add, in addition to the above, that "virtually no evidence of voter fraud" ought to be removed as a conclusory assertion rather than a fact. While it cites an Ohio law review article, the article also discusses much of the discord surrounding the ability of the Minnesota secretary of state to influence election results in a partisan manner. In addition, the recent investigation of ACORN voter fraud conduct in Minnesota (cleared), as well as the conviction of ACORN worker (Joshua Reed) caught with hundreds of forged voter registration cards in his trunk, raises the concerns that the Minnesota process may not be as transparent or immune from fraud as previously asserted.
Kablammo ( talk) 22:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
As per discussion above, article will be reviewed and updated, web sites checked with link—checking tool, and accessdates renewed to demonstrate completion. Volunteers are needed! Adopt a section below, and add your name or ~~~~ when you complete it. Kablammo ( talk) 01:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I am wondering why this article claims that minnesota is a swing state. you might want to visit http://www.presidentelect.org/index.html, thanks. Dwilso 19:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Lead section#Bold_title says "Avoid links in the bold title words", maybe there is a way to keep the audio without linking the article name. This is just a guideline but this is quite exceptional to see a link like this. Cenarium (talk) 20:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I have not made much of a look on the MN page, but I am wondering if it's a good idea to add the four corners of MN counties, and include the farthest town too. For example, Eitzen, MN in Houston County. Cedarvale1965-08 ( talk) 01:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I can't find an article on Pioneer Village (Montevideo, Minnesota). But even more shocking, I can't find anything on
snickerdoodle salad
snickers salad,
glorified rice,
pistachio salad,
seven-layer salad jello, pretzel
jello salad,
corn casserole, or
salad pie. Why are you depriving the rest of the world of this important Knowledge???
ChildofMidnight (
talk)
21:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm noticing several edits where "American Indian" is being replaced with "Native American". Is this necessary? I am not either, but when speaking to the Mdewakanton Sioux here in Dakota county, I hear them using both phrases. Each time I've pressed for a clarification, I've been told "it's all in how you say it". Evidently either term can be seen as respectful or derogatory, so I wonder at the need to be switching back and forth in the article. Just curious as to how others feel on this issue. Rapier1 ( talk) 21:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
In the popular culture section, there is a list of "other large annual festivals", but no indication of how those were chosen to be included. It's certainly not 'largest' in terms of public attendance. (For example, the Twin Cities Pride Celebration has a larger attendance than several of them.) I suppose the Winter Carnival and Aquatennial could be regarded as uniquely Minnesotan, but the Renaissance Festival is just one of many promoted in various states by the same business. And the others are just a few examples of typical small-town summer festivals -- why were these ones chosen out of the many held each summer? Some logic as to what is listed here would be helpful. T-bonham ( talk) 07:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following text from "Geography"; I'm not sure if any of this text would be appropriate under Transportation. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 15:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
The Great Lakes Circle Tour is a designated scenic road system connecting all of the Great Lakes and the St. Lawrence River. [1]
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The "Politics" section contained a paragraph on the 2008 senate election and current contest. I have deleted it, as it seemed to give too much emphasis to a recent and ongoing event. This article is an overview or survey of all aspects of the state, its landforms, history, economics, demographics, business, goverment, and society, and already may be too long. It certainly takes a very long time to load on a dialup, and even longer when versions are compared. As there is a separate article on United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008 there is no need for mention of it here; when the contest is complete (or at least when the senator is seated) this article ( Minnesota) can be updated. Kablammo ( talk) 15:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
In the Minnesota state emblems I want to mention the mosquito somehow. Although it's not really the official state bird state emblem, it's such a universal joke in Minnesota and does provide such insight into the culture of Minnesota that I believe to merits recognition. I'm surprised I haven't seen any other references to it on this talk page. Thoughts? -- Thomasdelbert ( talk) 14:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
This article was promoted to featured status in 2006, after five or six months of efforts by many editors. Unlike many articles which are principally authored by one person, or where the subjects are split up among several people, the article is the result of a true collaboration, without edit wars, and all disagreements resolved by discussion and agreement. The archives show how the present article was created.
To keep featured status and maintain the integrity of the article, here are a few requests:
All articles need fresh looks, and there is always room for improvement. But if an article is not to deteriorate over time, and avoid delisting as a featured article after a featured article review, we need to make sure that new additions or changes are well-written and, where needed, cited to a reliable source by properly-formatted citations.
Kablammo ( talk) 23:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Hockey is now the state sport and there are new population figures. Don't have time to add them now. - Ravedave ( talk) 05:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you for your recent edits over at Minnesota. You mentioned a guideline for liberalism/proggesiveness. I haven't found one, so maybe we could work together on creating one. I would love to hear your ideas. Wm.C (talk) 04:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't remember where I read what I read, or if what I read was a policy or just sounded right to me. The gist was that American left/liberal and right/conservative are fairly moderate, in a global sense. As Wikipedia is a global site, we need to be cognizant of potential misunderstandings. I tried for about half and hour to find what I had read again, but wasn't able to, unfortunately. If you feel we should take this to Talk:Minnesota, feel free to move this thread. Keep me in the loop. Thanks.—C45207 | Talk 04:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC) No problem. I will. Wm.C (talk) 05:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
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Can someone please justify the progressive word in the title, if indeed it is still there?
Have changed progressive to liberal. Wm.C ( talk) 05:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
IS it OK if point out that "the Land of 10,000 Lakes" is actually incorrect, and that there are more than this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EdyaJ ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that the "Race and ethnicity" section I created is always being converted back to the "Ancestry" version. I believe that my edits on the "Race and ethnicity" section I created are more detailed than the edits in the "Ancestry" version. It gives more statistics and the references given prove that the statistics are correct. On the racial composition part of the section, the figures that were given were incorrect due to the fact that the reference provided did not display the percentages given. I fixed the racial composition part by putting in the correct percentages from the reference I provided. But it keeps being converted back to the original section and I don't know why. I got a message on my talk page from Dabomb87 telling me not to undo others' edits without explaining why in the edit summary. As a reaction, I undid the last version and put it back to my version. In addition, I put "The statistics on the racial composition were incorrect because the reference given did not show that those statistics were correct" in the edit summary. I apologize for not putting in an edit summary earlier. I just want my edits to stay on that section because I know they are correct. Cool Stuff Is Cool ( talk) 05:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC) Cool Stuff Is Cool
Just noticed that the dimensions of the state are given as 400 miles long and 250 miles wide. I'm curious as to the source, since at its widest the state is a full 400 miles wide (measured from the tip of the arrowhead westward to the North Dakota border). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.139.29.234 ( talk) 17:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I added an image of the state's license plate, but it was removed on aesthetic grounds with the request that it be discussed on the talk page. I think such an image, of the state's current license plate design, is warranted for inclusion in this article. Qqqqqq ( talk) 05:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I've heard "Minnesota" translates to "land of sky-tinted waters", "land of cloudy waters" and "land of muddy waters". Which do reliable sources claim is most accurate? (By the way, a Hamm's beer commercial used "land of sky blue waters." I'd like to think that is the translation, but that certainly isn't a reliable source.) SlowJog ( talk) 20:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC) Given the demonstration of the word mentioned in the article, it is likely to be "muddy waters" or "cloudy waters" SlowJog ( talk) 17:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Really not sure how to report this, but it looks like this wiki has been vandalized with some extremely inappropriate comments. The comments are made right at the top of the page, and I could not figure out how to edit it out.
Sorry I could not be of more help, but I only made an account after noticing this issue and am not familiar with how to make changes on this site.
Dinkus —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinkus Mayhem ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
What is this strange problem with 'Electoral votes'? In 'US state' block 'Electoral votes' value is {{{ElectoralVotes}}}. When I try to edit something, I find nothing about 'Electoral votes' in the source. Please sorry for I'm newbie. The same problem is in the 'North Dakota' page but not in the 'California' one.
In reference to the following: White families earned more income than the national average but among the population under age 18, more than 20% of Asians and Hispanics, more than 40% of African Americans and more than 40% of Native American females in Minnesota lived in poverty.[57]
The citation is for a study done on poverty in adolescent females in Minnesota, completely unrelated to the first part of the sentence which talks about average family income. Thus the percentages are misconstrued to be representative of the poverty rate (inference for family income) for Asians, Hispanics, African Americans and Native Americans in general. The choice of the author to not include the rates for European Americans is also suspicious.
According to a couple sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-15-asians_N.htm http://www.nccp.org/profiles/MN_profile_6.html
The two sources above are for the population in general (though the second link is a study on children).
In conclusion, I believe the sentence is inaccurate, may lead people to think that all minorities have lower income and higher poverty rates than European Americans. If the statement is about family income, then it should consistently be about family income (in which case the implications of the author are erroneous as certain minority groups have a higher average family income). If it's about poverty levels in general, then let it be about poverty levels of the entire Minnesota population and not just adolescent females.
I propose that the sentence be deleted.
Drminnesota ( talk) 20:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Drminnesota ( talk) 22:43, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
A few things I tried to change that got reverted:
Snowy Owls are rare winter visitors to Minnesota. Including them as iconic birds of Minnesota is simply misleading. We're lucky if we get more than a couple dozen a year (2011 being an exception).
I'd like to suggest an alternative of "It is home to many birds of prey including Red-tailed Hawks, Osprey, Peregrine Falcons, and the largest breeding population of Bald Eagles in the lower 48 states as of 2007." to "It is home to birds of prey including the largest number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the lower 48 states as of 2007,[25] red-tailed hawk, and snowy owl."
Osprey and Peregrine Falcons are both iconic raptors that breed here. Our population of Peregrines is recovering quite nicely after the DDT crash and they can be seen around the Twin Cities as well as up on the North Shore.
Someone also reverted a section on songbirds I added. If we've got a sentence on ducks, fish, raptors, and mammals, why not have a sentence on some of the songbirds we have? We've got an amazing amount of variety in our state that we should be proud of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.162.20.190 ( talk) 18:45, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
WP:SEEALSO states:
Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense. The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number. As a general rule the "See also" section should not repeat links which appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes. Thus, many high-quality, comprehensive articles do not have a "See also" section.
I have reverted a recent edit to this section. [25] The change added the following links (which I removed by the revert):
I have kept what was there before:
To add the geography outline and portal to this article means they could be added to any article about a place. The history outline and portal could be added to any article which contains historical facts. The North America portal could be added to any article about any place (and perhaps any subject) about or affecting North America. The Outline of the United States could be added to any article about any subject involving the U.S. These are too far afield for this article, and it is very unlikely someone would come here to find those outlines and portals.
The United States book is already linked in the bottom navbox, as is the United States portal, which means they should be eliminated here, under the Manual of Style quote above.
This is a featured quality, comprehensive article, with a variety of links within and at the head of sections, and no less than three navboxes. There is no need for these additional links. Kablammo ( talk) 17:14, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I noticed that Finns are grouped into the same category as Norwegians, Swedes, Faroese, etc, in the ancestry portion of the Demographics. Finns are not Scandinavians, nor have they ever been Scandinavians; they are a Finno-Ugric people (in the same lump as Hungarians and Estonians) whose culture, language and physical features are distinct from that of any Scandinavians, who are of Germanic descent. Thanks! Boredwibilly ( talk) 20:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC) boredwibilly (User talk:boredwibilly|talk]]) 28 June 2011.
In the "Popular Culture" section, second paragraph, just before the second sentence, I'm getting this sentence fragment in my browser window as I view the article: the muther sucker. It's after the first period, before the beginning of the second sentence. But when I view the actual article, thinking to edit this out, it's not there. A little too deep for me. What's going on here? Craeburn ( talk) 14:40, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Hello there,
in the German Wikipedia I just found a sentence in the Minnesota article.
Seit Freitag, 1. Juli 2011 ist Minnesota als erster amerikanischer Staat zahlungsunfähig und nicht in der Lage, seine Rechnungen zu begleichen. Als erste Folge blieben am amerikanischen Unabhängigkeitstag, am 4. Juli, der Zoo und Nationalparks geschlossen. Bauarbeiten an Straßen wurden eingestellt und 22.000 staatliche Bedienstete werden auf nicht absehbare Zeit kein Gehalt bekommen und müssen unbezahlten Urlaub nehmen.
I try to translate as good as I can:
On Friday, 1st July 2011 Minnesota became insolvent as the first U.S. state and is therefore not able to pay its bills. The first consequence was seen on the Independence Day (4. July) when zoos and national parks had to be closed. Roadworks were stopped and 22.000 officials will not get their wage for an indefinitely/unknown time and have to take unpaid holidays.
Oh... this is really exhausting but a good training :D I hope you got all the information from my translation. But my question is: I could not find anything about this in the article?? It is a very important thing.
Greetings from Berlin, Germany, Europe ;) -- Kilon22 ( talk) 13:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Elkman,
thank you for your quick answer and the good explanation. I see you got everything under controll ;) I just wanted to help, you know sometimes things are missing in articles, in almost everyone and "we" are trying to improve them and create more and more articles :) I do only few edits in English Wikipedia, in German at least I have around 1,200, but in most cases the English Wikipedia is the best, but the German isn't bad too - compared to others.
I hope Europe and the USA get somehow out of this debt crisis. I know the american media reports much more about the European debt problems, so they don't need to bring so much about the american debt problems and the United States Federal debt is somewhere between 16.266.000.000.000 and 16.363.600.000.000 US-$ right now. This of course is without the debt of the states and countys, all together is more than 19.000.000.000.000 or 19 trillion US-$. Reading "19 trillion" or seeing the many numbers is a big difference (seeing? correct word?!). I hope we handle it, the USA and Europe are different in many way of course, but at least every white guys family once came from Europe and cultural problems like maybe in Africa or Asia are almost not existing in Europe for US people :)
I don't want to become China more powerful than the USA.
Greetings Kilon22 ( talk) 15:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
There should be a link to 2011 Minnesota state government shutdown in the History section. Laurusnobilis ( talk) 18:48, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Intro: were not the indigenous tribes there before the European invasion? How about from:
Substantial influxes of Asian, African, and Latin American immigrants have joined the descendants of European settlers and the original Native American inhabitants.
to:
Substantial influxes of Asian, African, and Latin American immigrants have joined the indigenous Native American peripatetic tribes and descendants of invasive European settlers.
Saludos! Timpo ( talk) 17:24, 5 July 2013 (UTC)