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The Mini article is in the Wikipedia:Peer review process - perhaps heading towards Featured Article status. I would greatly appreciate experts on the Moke taking a look at it. (If you find a problem, please either fix it or post your concerns on the Talk:Mini page. TIA SteveBaker 20:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The claim that the Moke achieved sucess as a beach buggy is spurious. The article on beach buggies describes them as vehicles capable of driving on beaches and sand dunes. The Moke is not suitable for this. The Moke was a popular run-about vehicle at locations such as tropical beach resorts and islands because of its open bodywork, compact size, ease of driving and economy as a rental vehicle, for ON ROAD USE at such locations. It is not a beach buggy and there are engineering constraints which limit its adaptablity for that use ( compared to VW and other vehicles ). Eregli bob 06:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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These look suspiciously similar - do they in fact refer to the same thing? Hairy Dude 03:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
The guest on the RTHK radio programme that day was a little ambiguous. He just stated the facts as he saw it, never mentioning that perhaps the hotel in fact owns the rental company. I am not familiar with the hotel concerned even though I live just an hour's ferry ride on the other side of the Pearl River. I have my own sneaking suspicion that the 2 are in partnership or perhaps indeed the hotel owns the rental company. In fact, it looks very likely to be so. In other words, I have no objection in anyone editing out the unnecessary bits. -- Wilfred Pau 07:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
"Liz Thomas and Graham Blakey, former residents of Hong Kong, introduced Mokes to Macau in 1984. "Graham and I used to come here every weekend and in those days there were no self-drive rental cars in Macau," recalled Thomas. "We saw that the police had a dozen or so Mini Mokes from Australia that they used as patrol cars, and that gave us the idea." The couple contracted to buy 40 Mokes off the assembly line for HK$1.5 million."
Since all of this Moke activity in Macau is gonna be ancient history in a few days, and the detailed fate of 50 Mokes out of the thousands that were made is hardly encyclopedic content, we should probably blow away all of the 'Operators' and 'The Future' sections and just add to the caption of the second photo "...and until 2006 in Macau". Arguably we should leave the page as it is for a week or two so that people who look here precisely because of the news in Macau can still find the facts - but a year from now, this is going to look like a pretty odd article if we don't lose those two sections. SteveBaker 13:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree & move the bit about the CUB's designer plus the engine back up to the main article. -- Wilfred Pau 15:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I've put this article in for WP:PR - once we've dealt with any comments, I'll put it up for WP:GAC. SteveBaker 22:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
This article is looking great a little more information and mabye one extra picture and then it should be a good article. GREAT WORK. Senators 00:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I've put this article up for Good Article candidacy. If you havn't contributed significantly - feel free to comment over at WP:GAC. SteveBaker 17:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The Portuguese subsidiary wasn't called "Automoveis". That just means "automobiles" in Portuguese, the full name was British Leyland Automóveis Portugal, shortened to British Leyland Portugal in conversation, and the company was renamed Austin Rover Portugal in 1983. -- Pc13 19:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
In the Portuguese Mokes section, "in their Vendas Novas plant between 1280 and 1390. Initially", the dates are a bit confusing Whats up with the dates? Donn29 13:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice small article for a small car. I didn't know about this car before, but the prose of this article is good enough for me to understand about the subject. The article is also well-referenced. I even don't know what else to improve. Perhaps, if this article wants to go for FA, some of my suggestions would be: more information about its sales and criticism. Anyway, it's a good article. Good job! — Indon ( reply) — 23:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
(Copied from /Comments subpage June 19, 2013) I rated it as a B-Class article because it is quite short and there are references but not inline references. I think the history section is very good. James086 Talk | Contribs 03:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The article passed WP:GA today (Jan 3rd) - can we upgrade it to GA status here too? SteveBaker 04:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
At 17kB, the article is a little short for a Featured Article - but it covers all the bases and it's unlikely that there will ever be much more added to it simply because there isn't all that much left to say!
So I guess it's now or never - I'll put it up for WP:FAC tonight.
SteveBaker 03:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Woohoo! Mini Moke is now a featured article! Many thanks to all who contributed! SteveBaker 22:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
And thanks to all THREE PEOPLE who supported this for FA. Seriously, an FA with only three support nominations? Are we running short on FAs? 82.28.21.130 19:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The Mini Moke article is scheduled to be on the Wikipedia front-page on March 12th...although sometimes they make last-minute changes in the line-up and due to whatever timezone the guy who maintains the front page is in, sometimes the article appears the preceding day and vanishes later in the day - sometimes it shows up late and hangs around until the following day. SteveBaker 17:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice little article, I enjoyed reading it. I would have liked to have known a little more about BL Australia and what happened to it, though. -- kingboyk 16:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Please excuse this rant...
Twice since this article has been on the front page, people have changed the very first sentence to say that the Moke is an 'automobile' - it originally said 'vehicle' - which I firmly believe to be the most appropriate term. I have reverted in both cases - so now is the time for me to explain why.
There are two reasons not to use the word 'automobile' to describe the Mini Moke:
So - under no curcumstances change 'vehicle' to 'automobile'. If there is another alternative word to 'vehicle', we can consider it - but the Moke's weird history (Military transport? Farm truck? Delivery van? Beach buggy?) makes it hard to put a more precise label on it and 'vehicle' is about the most neutral term I could come up with.
Thank you! SteveBaker 15:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The caption for the photo in the "Australian Mokes" section reads "Austin Mini Moke" and the Moke in the photo has "Austin" above the grille . Mokes were sold in Australia as Morris Mini Mokes and later as Leyland Mokes but never as Austin Mini Mokes. For this reason I would suggest that the photo is not a good one to use in this section. GTHO 22:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The Australian Moke supposedly the best one? The other ones must have been tragic! I drove them in the late 70s, hired from local "rent-a-bomb" franchises in the sunnier parts of the country.
1. The gearbox soon lost the syncho mesh, and 1st gear was always impossible to select.
2. The mini engine soon started burning oil. The oil jet bored into the con-rods needed to be closed by peening in a ball bearing.
3. They were easy targets for thieves. No door locks, and hot-wiring took 0.3876 seconds.
4. The lap seat belts, when used, held the occupant firmly against the side of the vehicle while it rolled over several times, after hitting a small pot hole, or cat.
5. The stern was so light it could be picked by one man of moderated strength. Cornering was always risky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.71.179 ( talk) 06:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey folks
any interest in a subsection in relation to railway mokes - three railways in Australia used them - Commonwealth Railways, WA Govt Railways and Tasmanian G Railways- am happy to have a go Sulzer55 ( talk) 11:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
since i've got a early British Moke and the Goldportfolio Book from Tim Nuttail. I know there are some (minor) bugs in the book. A early English Moke had the gearing from the Van - just open an original Gearbox and count the sprockets ;-) If you don't believe - dismantle another.
The Moke and the Van are lighter than the Saloon so the Saloon had other Shocks at the rear than Moke & Van. Jks69 ( talk) 17:28, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I was an unhappy moke owner in the 70s. The gear shift linkages were certainly worse than the saloon mini. The system became very rubbery with age and it was a real chore to change gears. Sometime I had to just stop and start from 1st again. The ground clearance in fact reduced with age as the inadequate front springs sagged. Take it onto a dirt road and you'd have to carry it back to the black top. The rear was light enough for two men to pick it up and tow it. I did see them used as beach buggies but only when fitted with illegally large tyres on the front. 203.220.104.163 ( talk) 03:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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Rather than tag bombing the article with "citation needed" tags, I've added a hatnote. From claims about Brigitte Bardot, to the Seychelles, pretty much every section contains some unsourced claims or apparent original research. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 11:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody have any info in regards to Chery Automotive being involved with a new version of the MOKE in the 2010s? The link just takes you to MOKE International's website but there doesn't seem to be any mention of Chery there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.170.104 ( talk) 18:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Found and added. Not sure if links to company website should be removed as there is (still) no mention of the involvement of Chery Automobile that I can find. Cheers Cl3phact0 ( talk) 05:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
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Mr.choppers: Adding some detail to note above re: Chery and subsequent Moke versions.
As far as I can tell, the new (or "Continuation" version depending on source) Moke is being made in the UK by Moke International/Fablink:
There is also an electric version (maybe two, it's not clear from the sources I've found), so adding the "Electric vehicle manufacturers" Category seemed justified:
Re: Whether this is a real Moke or a "lookalike", it seems that the rights and original design were acquired, the Moke was reengineered, and the design updated/modernised (starting in about 2012 or 2013), first in China, then in France, and finally in the UK — the latter of which would surely make this vehicle a direct descendant of the original Issigonis (et al.) version rather than a Chinese knock-off or a " retrofuturist" interpretation such as the BMW version of the "Mini", "neo-Beetle", or the "021C" concept car. See Hemmings article, etc.:
A British made Moke, redesigned by a British designer, and reengineered by a British manufacturer seems at least as 'real' as Portuguese, South African, Rhodesian, or Australian made Mokes. Adding this part of the history to Infobox seemed justified (sorry if I got this wrong — I'm pretty new to editing).
The relationship/difference between "Moke America" and "Moke International" is not 100% clear. Both seem to be selling versions of the Moke based on the post 2013 design. There is also some sort of legal wrangling going on over the rights to the "Moke" trademarks and updated design:
There may indeed need to be a separate article about the redesigned (post 2013) Mokes at some point. For now, it seemed like this information would be relevant to the actual article. Again, I'm new to this and defer to the judgement of more experienced editors. Everything in good faith.
In any case, I'll keep digging (I kind of went down a rabbit-hole with this anyhow).
Cheers Cl3phact0 ( talk) 05:39, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
In the first section, the article states that "Moke" is an archaic form of the word "Mule", with a link the corresponding article about the animal. According to the following article, "Mule" is also a term for a kind of prototype used in automotive engineering:
I don't have access to the books cited as references but thought this might be relevant to the Mini Moke article. Cheers Cl3phact0 ( talk) 17:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Added "In popular culture" heading and moved information about movie stars (and their dogs), television shows, rock songs, and super-fandom to this section. Please check to make sure I haven't missed the plot and all good here. Thank you! Cl3phact0 ( talk) 06:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello Mr.choppers, Happy New Year! I noticed that you merged some of the information re: the various Moke revivals and removed the references about Moke America, Moke International, etc. from the article intro. Wondering if this could be improved still? My logic is that it seems likely that many searches for this topic are likely to be coming from people looking for information about the new MOKE, and if so, maybe this background information could be more readily available. Also, the JLR/Cherry part of the history seems like it should be included in the Moke International history rather than the intro (along with the other info that has been merged into the Moke International sub-section). I would propose a short concluding paragraph in the intro that makes the revival connection and offers a link to the Moke (2013) article. Cheers, Cl3phact0 ( talk) 06:38, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Intriguingly, although what the outcome will be once trading deals are established with European countries, the car has been designed and engineered in the West Midlands, where its running chasses are formed, although final assembly takes place at a purpose-built factory, the rolling chasses being transported to Cerizay, a town in the Nouvelle-Acquitaine region in western France. The town has a solid automotive history, having been home to Gallic ‘carrosserie’ Heuliez, which coachbuilt the folding roof sections for the drop-top Peugeot 206CC and even built the Vauxhall/Opel Tigra Twintop model.
The original Moke trademark was acquired by Michael Young in 2015 and is now owned by Moke International Limited. The initial intention was to meet a demand in the Caribbean market, where Moke remains popular with both private buyers and luxury resorts and hotels. Following UK regulatory approval, Mokes are now available to purchase in the United Kingdom and Ireland. Additional variants, which include a Chinese-sourced EV package, will be launched across Europe, the USA and beyond from next year. In reviving Moke, the company has gathered a team from some of the most celebrated brand names in the industry. Isobel Dando, leads the board of management, with an automotive career that spans the past couple of decades and includes senior commercial and product leadership roles at Jaguar Land Rover and the BMW Group.
Hello Mr.choppers, wondering why "packed" mode for photos in gallery isn't preferable? Is there a technical standard to which I should adhere, or is this a matter of taste? On my screen, in packed mode, the images display with no empty grey border (and thus are slightly larger), as well as in a more symmetrical manner (e.g., there are no "dangling" lone photos, so the layout looks "better", which is obviously a subjective matter — de gustibus non disputandum est, after all). Fine either way, but as I have added packed mode to a number of other articles that I've worked on, I want to make sure I'm not getting something wrong. What am I missing? Cheers, Cl3phact0 ( talk) 07:23, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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The Mini article is in the Wikipedia:Peer review process - perhaps heading towards Featured Article status. I would greatly appreciate experts on the Moke taking a look at it. (If you find a problem, please either fix it or post your concerns on the Talk:Mini page. TIA SteveBaker 20:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The claim that the Moke achieved sucess as a beach buggy is spurious. The article on beach buggies describes them as vehicles capable of driving on beaches and sand dunes. The Moke is not suitable for this. The Moke was a popular run-about vehicle at locations such as tropical beach resorts and islands because of its open bodywork, compact size, ease of driving and economy as a rental vehicle, for ON ROAD USE at such locations. It is not a beach buggy and there are engineering constraints which limit its adaptablity for that use ( compared to VW and other vehicles ). Eregli bob 06:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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These look suspiciously similar - do they in fact refer to the same thing? Hairy Dude 03:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
The guest on the RTHK radio programme that day was a little ambiguous. He just stated the facts as he saw it, never mentioning that perhaps the hotel in fact owns the rental company. I am not familiar with the hotel concerned even though I live just an hour's ferry ride on the other side of the Pearl River. I have my own sneaking suspicion that the 2 are in partnership or perhaps indeed the hotel owns the rental company. In fact, it looks very likely to be so. In other words, I have no objection in anyone editing out the unnecessary bits. -- Wilfred Pau 07:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
"Liz Thomas and Graham Blakey, former residents of Hong Kong, introduced Mokes to Macau in 1984. "Graham and I used to come here every weekend and in those days there were no self-drive rental cars in Macau," recalled Thomas. "We saw that the police had a dozen or so Mini Mokes from Australia that they used as patrol cars, and that gave us the idea." The couple contracted to buy 40 Mokes off the assembly line for HK$1.5 million."
Since all of this Moke activity in Macau is gonna be ancient history in a few days, and the detailed fate of 50 Mokes out of the thousands that were made is hardly encyclopedic content, we should probably blow away all of the 'Operators' and 'The Future' sections and just add to the caption of the second photo "...and until 2006 in Macau". Arguably we should leave the page as it is for a week or two so that people who look here precisely because of the news in Macau can still find the facts - but a year from now, this is going to look like a pretty odd article if we don't lose those two sections. SteveBaker 13:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree & move the bit about the CUB's designer plus the engine back up to the main article. -- Wilfred Pau 15:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I've put this article in for WP:PR - once we've dealt with any comments, I'll put it up for WP:GAC. SteveBaker 22:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
This article is looking great a little more information and mabye one extra picture and then it should be a good article. GREAT WORK. Senators 00:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I've put this article up for Good Article candidacy. If you havn't contributed significantly - feel free to comment over at WP:GAC. SteveBaker 17:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The Portuguese subsidiary wasn't called "Automoveis". That just means "automobiles" in Portuguese, the full name was British Leyland Automóveis Portugal, shortened to British Leyland Portugal in conversation, and the company was renamed Austin Rover Portugal in 1983. -- Pc13 19:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
In the Portuguese Mokes section, "in their Vendas Novas plant between 1280 and 1390. Initially", the dates are a bit confusing Whats up with the dates? Donn29 13:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice small article for a small car. I didn't know about this car before, but the prose of this article is good enough for me to understand about the subject. The article is also well-referenced. I even don't know what else to improve. Perhaps, if this article wants to go for FA, some of my suggestions would be: more information about its sales and criticism. Anyway, it's a good article. Good job! — Indon ( reply) — 23:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
(Copied from /Comments subpage June 19, 2013) I rated it as a B-Class article because it is quite short and there are references but not inline references. I think the history section is very good. James086 Talk | Contribs 03:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The article passed WP:GA today (Jan 3rd) - can we upgrade it to GA status here too? SteveBaker 04:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
At 17kB, the article is a little short for a Featured Article - but it covers all the bases and it's unlikely that there will ever be much more added to it simply because there isn't all that much left to say!
So I guess it's now or never - I'll put it up for WP:FAC tonight.
SteveBaker 03:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Woohoo! Mini Moke is now a featured article! Many thanks to all who contributed! SteveBaker 22:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
And thanks to all THREE PEOPLE who supported this for FA. Seriously, an FA with only three support nominations? Are we running short on FAs? 82.28.21.130 19:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The Mini Moke article is scheduled to be on the Wikipedia front-page on March 12th...although sometimes they make last-minute changes in the line-up and due to whatever timezone the guy who maintains the front page is in, sometimes the article appears the preceding day and vanishes later in the day - sometimes it shows up late and hangs around until the following day. SteveBaker 17:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Nice little article, I enjoyed reading it. I would have liked to have known a little more about BL Australia and what happened to it, though. -- kingboyk 16:07, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Please excuse this rant...
Twice since this article has been on the front page, people have changed the very first sentence to say that the Moke is an 'automobile' - it originally said 'vehicle' - which I firmly believe to be the most appropriate term. I have reverted in both cases - so now is the time for me to explain why.
There are two reasons not to use the word 'automobile' to describe the Mini Moke:
So - under no curcumstances change 'vehicle' to 'automobile'. If there is another alternative word to 'vehicle', we can consider it - but the Moke's weird history (Military transport? Farm truck? Delivery van? Beach buggy?) makes it hard to put a more precise label on it and 'vehicle' is about the most neutral term I could come up with.
Thank you! SteveBaker 15:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
The caption for the photo in the "Australian Mokes" section reads "Austin Mini Moke" and the Moke in the photo has "Austin" above the grille . Mokes were sold in Australia as Morris Mini Mokes and later as Leyland Mokes but never as Austin Mini Mokes. For this reason I would suggest that the photo is not a good one to use in this section. GTHO 22:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The Australian Moke supposedly the best one? The other ones must have been tragic! I drove them in the late 70s, hired from local "rent-a-bomb" franchises in the sunnier parts of the country.
1. The gearbox soon lost the syncho mesh, and 1st gear was always impossible to select.
2. The mini engine soon started burning oil. The oil jet bored into the con-rods needed to be closed by peening in a ball bearing.
3. They were easy targets for thieves. No door locks, and hot-wiring took 0.3876 seconds.
4. The lap seat belts, when used, held the occupant firmly against the side of the vehicle while it rolled over several times, after hitting a small pot hole, or cat.
5. The stern was so light it could be picked by one man of moderated strength. Cornering was always risky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.71.179 ( talk) 06:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey folks
any interest in a subsection in relation to railway mokes - three railways in Australia used them - Commonwealth Railways, WA Govt Railways and Tasmanian G Railways- am happy to have a go Sulzer55 ( talk) 11:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
since i've got a early British Moke and the Goldportfolio Book from Tim Nuttail. I know there are some (minor) bugs in the book. A early English Moke had the gearing from the Van - just open an original Gearbox and count the sprockets ;-) If you don't believe - dismantle another.
The Moke and the Van are lighter than the Saloon so the Saloon had other Shocks at the rear than Moke & Van. Jks69 ( talk) 17:28, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I was an unhappy moke owner in the 70s. The gear shift linkages were certainly worse than the saloon mini. The system became very rubbery with age and it was a real chore to change gears. Sometime I had to just stop and start from 1st again. The ground clearance in fact reduced with age as the inadequate front springs sagged. Take it onto a dirt road and you'd have to carry it back to the black top. The rear was light enough for two men to pick it up and tow it. I did see them used as beach buggies but only when fitted with illegally large tyres on the front. 203.220.104.163 ( talk) 03:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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Mini Moke | |
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Overview | |
Designer | Sir Alec Issigonis, John Sheppard |
Body and chassis | |
Layout | FF layout |
Peter Horn
User talk 23:14, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Rather than tag bombing the article with "citation needed" tags, I've added a hatnote. From claims about Brigitte Bardot, to the Seychelles, pretty much every section contains some unsourced claims or apparent original research. ~dom Kaos~ ( talk) 11:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody have any info in regards to Chery Automotive being involved with a new version of the MOKE in the 2010s? The link just takes you to MOKE International's website but there doesn't seem to be any mention of Chery there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.170.104 ( talk) 18:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Found and added. Not sure if links to company website should be removed as there is (still) no mention of the involvement of Chery Automobile that I can find. Cheers Cl3phact0 ( talk) 05:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
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Mr.choppers: Adding some detail to note above re: Chery and subsequent Moke versions.
As far as I can tell, the new (or "Continuation" version depending on source) Moke is being made in the UK by Moke International/Fablink:
There is also an electric version (maybe two, it's not clear from the sources I've found), so adding the "Electric vehicle manufacturers" Category seemed justified:
Re: Whether this is a real Moke or a "lookalike", it seems that the rights and original design were acquired, the Moke was reengineered, and the design updated/modernised (starting in about 2012 or 2013), first in China, then in France, and finally in the UK — the latter of which would surely make this vehicle a direct descendant of the original Issigonis (et al.) version rather than a Chinese knock-off or a " retrofuturist" interpretation such as the BMW version of the "Mini", "neo-Beetle", or the "021C" concept car. See Hemmings article, etc.:
A British made Moke, redesigned by a British designer, and reengineered by a British manufacturer seems at least as 'real' as Portuguese, South African, Rhodesian, or Australian made Mokes. Adding this part of the history to Infobox seemed justified (sorry if I got this wrong — I'm pretty new to editing).
The relationship/difference between "Moke America" and "Moke International" is not 100% clear. Both seem to be selling versions of the Moke based on the post 2013 design. There is also some sort of legal wrangling going on over the rights to the "Moke" trademarks and updated design:
There may indeed need to be a separate article about the redesigned (post 2013) Mokes at some point. For now, it seemed like this information would be relevant to the actual article. Again, I'm new to this and defer to the judgement of more experienced editors. Everything in good faith.
In any case, I'll keep digging (I kind of went down a rabbit-hole with this anyhow).
Cheers Cl3phact0 ( talk) 05:39, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
In the first section, the article states that "Moke" is an archaic form of the word "Mule", with a link the corresponding article about the animal. According to the following article, "Mule" is also a term for a kind of prototype used in automotive engineering:
I don't have access to the books cited as references but thought this might be relevant to the Mini Moke article. Cheers Cl3phact0 ( talk) 17:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Added "In popular culture" heading and moved information about movie stars (and their dogs), television shows, rock songs, and super-fandom to this section. Please check to make sure I haven't missed the plot and all good here. Thank you! Cl3phact0 ( talk) 06:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello Mr.choppers, Happy New Year! I noticed that you merged some of the information re: the various Moke revivals and removed the references about Moke America, Moke International, etc. from the article intro. Wondering if this could be improved still? My logic is that it seems likely that many searches for this topic are likely to be coming from people looking for information about the new MOKE, and if so, maybe this background information could be more readily available. Also, the JLR/Cherry part of the history seems like it should be included in the Moke International history rather than the intro (along with the other info that has been merged into the Moke International sub-section). I would propose a short concluding paragraph in the intro that makes the revival connection and offers a link to the Moke (2013) article. Cheers, Cl3phact0 ( talk) 06:38, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Intriguingly, although what the outcome will be once trading deals are established with European countries, the car has been designed and engineered in the West Midlands, where its running chasses are formed, although final assembly takes place at a purpose-built factory, the rolling chasses being transported to Cerizay, a town in the Nouvelle-Acquitaine region in western France. The town has a solid automotive history, having been home to Gallic ‘carrosserie’ Heuliez, which coachbuilt the folding roof sections for the drop-top Peugeot 206CC and even built the Vauxhall/Opel Tigra Twintop model.
The original Moke trademark was acquired by Michael Young in 2015 and is now owned by Moke International Limited. The initial intention was to meet a demand in the Caribbean market, where Moke remains popular with both private buyers and luxury resorts and hotels. Following UK regulatory approval, Mokes are now available to purchase in the United Kingdom and Ireland. Additional variants, which include a Chinese-sourced EV package, will be launched across Europe, the USA and beyond from next year. In reviving Moke, the company has gathered a team from some of the most celebrated brand names in the industry. Isobel Dando, leads the board of management, with an automotive career that spans the past couple of decades and includes senior commercial and product leadership roles at Jaguar Land Rover and the BMW Group.
Hello Mr.choppers, wondering why "packed" mode for photos in gallery isn't preferable? Is there a technical standard to which I should adhere, or is this a matter of taste? On my screen, in packed mode, the images display with no empty grey border (and thus are slightly larger), as well as in a more symmetrical manner (e.g., there are no "dangling" lone photos, so the layout looks "better", which is obviously a subjective matter — de gustibus non disputandum est, after all). Fine either way, but as I have added packed mode to a number of other articles that I've worked on, I want to make sure I'm not getting something wrong. What am I missing? Cheers, Cl3phact0 ( talk) 07:23, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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Can we get rid of the bare url tag? Seems like they have all been fixed. -- Cl3phact0 ( talk) 17:38, 14 April 2023 (UTC)