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This is a series about the FBI set during a time when homosexuals were still considered deviates, suspected homosexuals were spied upon, the FBI had files about homosexuals, and Executive Order 10450 was still in effect. Episode 1.06 reveals that Wendy is in a relationship with Annaliese and the dialog between them was deliberately written to identify Wendy as a homosexual: Annaliese says to Wendy, " Do they know you're lesbian? ... You can't be yourself. Are you really going to hide half of your life?" This revelation received coverage in sources interested in lesbian portrayals on television, for example 1 ( Bella Books is today's leading publisher of fiction and non-fiction lesbian-genre books.) And it's not just lesbian-interest sources that have covered it — it's in sources such as 2, 3, and 4. We don't know yet how Wendy's closeted life is going to be explored in season 2, but it can't be ignored and excluded from the WP article. Pyxis Solitary talk 02:37, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Episode summaries copied from Netflix violated Wikipedia's copyright policy and were deleted on 06:21, January 11, 2018. Pyxis Solitary talk 10:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
The "ADT Serviceman" is listed as Dennis Rader in articles about the series ( http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/mindhunter-netflix-real-serial-killers.html), and the German language Netflix credits (which run after each episode) clearly refer to the guy as "Dennis Rader." Why can't this article refer to him as such? Raider Duck ( talk) 18:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Should we go by
MOS:TVCAST as how he credited on the on-screen credits: Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman
? Or should we go by Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer)
in which sources claimed that Sonny Valicenti is Dennis Rader/BTK Killer (However, TV series itself and on-screen credits did not confirmed this, creator and writers did not confirmed this either, Sonny Valicenti did not confirmed as well; this is pretty much speculations/assumptions as of season 2 the most recent season)? Or Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman, who is speculated to be the BTK killer
with the sources? —
YoungForever
(talk)
16:30, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 75.191.40.148: We will see when other editors join this discussion. I have the right to keep discussing. I have stopped reverting you even though you keep on adding speculations/assumptions sources. So, I really don't see how am I being WP:DISRUPTIVE. — YoungForever (talk) 02:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Always defer to the show's credits – if he's just "ADT serviceman" there, then that how we should list it here. So, I'd change what we have to something like, Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman, who is speculated to be the
BTK killer[sources]
P.S. Five sources for that is
WP:OVERCITE – cut it down to the best three sources. --
IJBall (
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15:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer). I can accept the wording by IJBall, with no modifications. As for overciting, I was fine with one good source, but I was responding to an irrational and repetitive polemic which argued that a reliable source is not sufficient. 75.191.40.148 ( talk) 15:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman, who is speculated to be the BTK killer, what IJBall suggested. Sounds more reasonable than flat out claiming Sonny Valicenti is Dennis Rader/BTK Killer because as of season 2 it is still only pure speculations/assumptions. All the sources are not confirmed by the TV series itself (both on-screen credits and each episodes), not confirmed by the creators and/or writers, and not confirmed by Sonny Valicenti, the actor himself. Fans/viewers are just assuming Sonny Valicenti is Dennis Rader/BTK Killer at this point (see above the very beginning of this Talk discussion). I think it is misleading and don't think it is appropriate to add speculations/assumptions when it is never confirmed yet. WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. — YoungForever (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
irrational and repetitive polemic, that is personal attack. You not given other suggestions other than ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer). Yet, you are still holding on to that. When IJBall made a suggestion, you claimed you would made similar suggestions. Did you made a similar suggestion? The answer is no. — YoungForever (talk) 17:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 75.191.40.148: Yes, I did. This isn't about personal drama. This is about the actions your took on this article. Now, please let's move on. — YoungForever (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
who is speculated to be the BTK killeror something similar to that effect. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 12:38, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer), per WP:RS, not like it's a big secret - “Sonny was the perfect choice to play Dennis Rader,” said Laray Mayfield, casting director for Mindhunter. "We needed an actor who appeared to be the average guy next door, but slowly revealed himself to the audience as BTK. Sonny pulls this off in a chilling way.", BTK Killer Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), Known as the BTK Killer for his gruesome method of binding, torturing and then killing his victims, the specter of Rader (Sonny Valicenti), The BTK Killer (Sonny Valicenti) looms over the series yet again, Kansas’ BTK killer (Sonny Valicenti), Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), the BTK killer, continues to lurk in the background, B.T.K. (Sonny Valicenti), BTK Killer (Sonny Valicenti), BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) strangler, Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), Mindhunter's third season hasn't yet been confirmed, but if it does get the green light, we can be certain that Sonny Valicenti will return as Rader., Sonny Valicenti’s portrayal of Dennis Rader, a onetime ADT Security Services employee who terrorized Wichita, Kansas, for almost 20 years as the BTK serial killer., At the start of each episode in season 2, Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), Dennis Rader, aka the BTK Killer: Who plays him on the show: Sonny Valicenti. Isaidnoway (talk) 21:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Current summary of S01E09 states the clock strikes midnight at the beginning. However, I've double checked the first minute and we could only hear nine strikes. There doesn't seem to have any jump within the one-minute timeline, while my only concern is whether the strikes could be heard from the street. I'd appreciate if anyone could point to any other references, and if not, shall we change the current "midnight" to "nine at night"? Skywayer ( talk) 10:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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This is a series about the FBI set during a time when homosexuals were still considered deviates, suspected homosexuals were spied upon, the FBI had files about homosexuals, and Executive Order 10450 was still in effect. Episode 1.06 reveals that Wendy is in a relationship with Annaliese and the dialog between them was deliberately written to identify Wendy as a homosexual: Annaliese says to Wendy, " Do they know you're lesbian? ... You can't be yourself. Are you really going to hide half of your life?" This revelation received coverage in sources interested in lesbian portrayals on television, for example 1 ( Bella Books is today's leading publisher of fiction and non-fiction lesbian-genre books.) And it's not just lesbian-interest sources that have covered it — it's in sources such as 2, 3, and 4. We don't know yet how Wendy's closeted life is going to be explored in season 2, but it can't be ignored and excluded from the WP article. Pyxis Solitary talk 02:37, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Episode summaries copied from Netflix violated Wikipedia's copyright policy and were deleted on 06:21, January 11, 2018. Pyxis Solitary talk 10:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
The "ADT Serviceman" is listed as Dennis Rader in articles about the series ( http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/mindhunter-netflix-real-serial-killers.html), and the German language Netflix credits (which run after each episode) clearly refer to the guy as "Dennis Rader." Why can't this article refer to him as such? Raider Duck ( talk) 18:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Should we go by
MOS:TVCAST as how he credited on the on-screen credits: Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman
? Or should we go by Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer)
in which sources claimed that Sonny Valicenti is Dennis Rader/BTK Killer (However, TV series itself and on-screen credits did not confirmed this, creator and writers did not confirmed this either, Sonny Valicenti did not confirmed as well; this is pretty much speculations/assumptions as of season 2 the most recent season)? Or Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman, who is speculated to be the BTK killer
with the sources? —
YoungForever
(talk)
16:30, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 75.191.40.148: We will see when other editors join this discussion. I have the right to keep discussing. I have stopped reverting you even though you keep on adding speculations/assumptions sources. So, I really don't see how am I being WP:DISRUPTIVE. — YoungForever (talk) 02:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Always defer to the show's credits – if he's just "ADT serviceman" there, then that how we should list it here. So, I'd change what we have to something like, Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman, who is speculated to be the
BTK killer[sources]
P.S. Five sources for that is
WP:OVERCITE – cut it down to the best three sources. --
IJBall (
contribs •
talk)
15:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer). I can accept the wording by IJBall, with no modifications. As for overciting, I was fine with one good source, but I was responding to an irrational and repetitive polemic which argued that a reliable source is not sufficient. 75.191.40.148 ( talk) 15:25, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman, who is speculated to be the BTK killer, what IJBall suggested. Sounds more reasonable than flat out claiming Sonny Valicenti is Dennis Rader/BTK Killer because as of season 2 it is still only pure speculations/assumptions. All the sources are not confirmed by the TV series itself (both on-screen credits and each episodes), not confirmed by the creators and/or writers, and not confirmed by Sonny Valicenti, the actor himself. Fans/viewers are just assuming Sonny Valicenti is Dennis Rader/BTK Killer at this point (see above the very beginning of this Talk discussion). I think it is misleading and don't think it is appropriate to add speculations/assumptions when it is never confirmed yet. WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL. — YoungForever (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
irrational and repetitive polemic, that is personal attack. You not given other suggestions other than ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer). Yet, you are still holding on to that. When IJBall made a suggestion, you claimed you would made similar suggestions. Did you made a similar suggestion? The answer is no. — YoungForever (talk) 17:14, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@ 75.191.40.148: Yes, I did. This isn't about personal drama. This is about the actions your took on this article. Now, please let's move on. — YoungForever (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
who is speculated to be the BTK killeror something similar to that effect. Drovethrughosts ( talk) 12:38, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Sonny Valicenti as ADT serviceman / Dennis Rader (BTK killer), per WP:RS, not like it's a big secret - “Sonny was the perfect choice to play Dennis Rader,” said Laray Mayfield, casting director for Mindhunter. "We needed an actor who appeared to be the average guy next door, but slowly revealed himself to the audience as BTK. Sonny pulls this off in a chilling way.", BTK Killer Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), Known as the BTK Killer for his gruesome method of binding, torturing and then killing his victims, the specter of Rader (Sonny Valicenti), The BTK Killer (Sonny Valicenti) looms over the series yet again, Kansas’ BTK killer (Sonny Valicenti), Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), the BTK killer, continues to lurk in the background, B.T.K. (Sonny Valicenti), BTK Killer (Sonny Valicenti), BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) strangler, Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), Mindhunter's third season hasn't yet been confirmed, but if it does get the green light, we can be certain that Sonny Valicenti will return as Rader., Sonny Valicenti’s portrayal of Dennis Rader, a onetime ADT Security Services employee who terrorized Wichita, Kansas, for almost 20 years as the BTK serial killer., At the start of each episode in season 2, Dennis Rader (Sonny Valicenti), Dennis Rader, aka the BTK Killer: Who plays him on the show: Sonny Valicenti. Isaidnoway (talk) 21:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Current summary of S01E09 states the clock strikes midnight at the beginning. However, I've double checked the first minute and we could only hear nine strikes. There doesn't seem to have any jump within the one-minute timeline, while my only concern is whether the strikes could be heard from the street. I'd appreciate if anyone could point to any other references, and if not, shall we change the current "midnight" to "nine at night"? Skywayer ( talk) 10:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)