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In my opinion, the 'Culture, Education, Media & Sport' tab should be spilt into separate tabs as in my opinion it would make the article easier to follow. User:Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 20:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
I have re-jigged the sections a little bit, as there was quite a bit of duplication and some of the sections seemed to be a little odd, especially if you compare it to articles on other cities. There are still only 10 level 1 subheadings, which is not a lot considering the size of the article. I did not add or remove any information though. Abcmaxx ( talk) 14:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
As an additional point, the fact that the government uses a certain phrase does not convince me, as the government does lots of unusual and illogical things which do not work well. Abcmaxx ( talk) 15:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Added up to date info on the radio stations Fishplater ( talk) 08:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Expanded the section, but the sources although reliable could be a lot better, if anyone knows where to find this information then please do not hesitate to add it. Abcmaxx ( talk) 16:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
So I tried looking for sources which would even discuss twinning but could not find any, also tried to see whether any of them lapsed, also could not find any mention anywhere. It all seems very unstructured to be honest. Abcmaxx ( talk) 22:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
@ John Maynard Friedman: I disagree, maybe so in the UK but in other parts of the world twinning is still a big part of cultural exchange and inter-city development. Rather than deleting outright, how about changing it to prose, better reflecting the reality? Abcmaxx ( talk) 17:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
@ John Maynard Friedman done as discussed, I tried to keep it coherent and true to the sources at the same time. Abcmaxx ( talk) 20:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
user:37.152.231.40 objects to the adjective "large" as in "large town" to describe MK. This style has been used in this article for many many years without comment. The same usage may be seen at Reading, Berkshire: Reading [...] is a large, historic market town in Berkshire, South East England.
Wikipedia is written for a worldwide readership. In most of the world, a settlement of well over 200,000 people would be called a city. City status in the United Kingdom explains why British usage differs. A "town" can be anything from few hundred individuals to hundred of thousands. WP:think of the reader rather than wiki-lawyering: a qualifier is essential. Do I really have to find a citation that says that MK is 'large'. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 08:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
According to this BBC report, MK is a "large town" by some margin, since the threshold set by the reliable source is 135,000. [1] So what makes a random Wikipedia editor's opinion more valid? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 08:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The Centre for Cities is not a reliable secondary source - it is primary! I think so many of the disputes on WP arise from people misunderstanding, misquoting and generally misusing sourses. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 20:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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Recognising the emerging consensus, I have changed the article so that now it reads "the largest town in Buckinghamshire" (rather than "a large town in Buckinghamshire"). The revised edition is objectively true though rather more stolid. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 12:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
If we started calling Monmouth small but Ross on Wye medium. Arguments would arise over the use of medium sized to smaller or small.
Some settlements are smaller or bigger then others but to me. If it's a market charter and town council or status. It's a market town. If it's a cathedral status for a city then it's cathedral city like Ripon York Lincoln and Wakefield and so on.
Articles are usually written from a pov and neutral stance by authors on sources so to me find a historical status from ages back to establish the right term. As many say terms are debated and unless widely recognised or used. It's subjective using small medium or large.
I'd rather just read ie "Fakenham is a market town in Norfolk, England" then "Fakenham is a medium-sized market town in the region of East Anglia in the county of Norfolk in eastern England". That's too much reading to me. Simplified is best for everyone who isn't bothered with in depth regions and sizes of towns.
DragonofBatley ( talk) 16:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Basically starts with 'for MK see a completely different page' (For Milton Keynes, the original village, see Middleton, Milton Keynes)
Why can't we have a page entitle MK actually be about MK ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.1.35 ( talk) 13:57, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I reverted an edit by DragonofBatley because it is at odds with reality. I appreciate that editors from elsewhere have difficulty getting their heads around the way that MK works. It is fully parished. It has six town councils as well as many parish councils: all are subsidiary to Milton Keynes Council. Central Milton Keynes is just the central business district: in accordance with the law, it declared itself to be a town. In a poly-centric settlement, it is first among equals but is a town centre, not the town centre. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 19:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
The Centre for Cities have redesigned their web page so that the raw economic data is less accessible. Fortunately, Archive.org has captured earlier versions so I will be working on this section over the next few days to put some dates on the statements and broaden the perspective. Advice here will be welcome. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 12:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Meanwhile, these are the historic data
The problem now is how best to summarise this data without being accused of POV and OR? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 17:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC) Updated to add 'league table' positions found on spray diagram. --11:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Productivity: GVA per hour (£). I'm afraid you will have to point out the POV wording, I'm not seeing it. [M R-D again!] -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 20:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, I reverted user:Tweedledumb2's addition of a table giving demographics from 30 years ago. This article is rated as GA, so additions as significant as this one need consensus to be added. I invite other editors to contribute. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 00:07, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
This is Tweedledumb2's proposed addition:
Ethnic Group | 1991 [1] [2] | |
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Number | % | |
White: Total | 166,101 | 94.19% |
White: British | - | - |
White: Irish | 3,614 | 20.4% |
White: Gypsy or Irish Traveller [note 1] | - | - |
White: Other | - | - |
Asian or Asian British: Total | 5,982 | 3.39% |
Asian or Asian British: Indian | 2,861 | 1.62% |
Asian or Asian British: Pakistani | 822 | |
Asian or Asian British: Bangladeshi | 694 | |
Asian or Asian British: Chinese [note 2] | 667 | |
Asian or Asian British: Other Asian | 938 | |
Black or Black British: Total | 2,869 | 1.62% |
Black or Black British: Caribbean | 1,665 | |
Black or Black British: African | 523 | |
Black or Black British: Other Black | 681 | |
Mixed: Total | - | - |
Mixed: White and Black Caribbean | - | - |
Mixed: White and Black African | - | - |
Mixed: White and Asian | - | - |
Mixed: Other Mixed | - | - |
Other: Total | 1,378 | 0.78% |
Other: Arab [note 3] | - | - |
Other: Any other ethnic group | 1,378 | 0.78% |
Total | 176,330 | 100% |
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Milton Keynes is a city in England. Population: 287,100 (2021 Census) 84.70.204.42 ( talk) 16:25, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to propose a new replacement collage for the infobox section. Since its been more than a decade since it was updated, and the skyline today has changed quite alot now, Wikipedia photographer John Chryslar has recently posted stunning new images that I think would be a nice update to this article. Milton Keynes major wikipedian supervisor User:John Maynard Friedman has recently questioned the design of the collage I tried to put in the article. Any suggestions? Thanks Raphael.concorde ( talk) 01:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Good afternoon, I surfed through the commons pages and put together this new revised collage. Let me know what you think. 147.197.250.54 ( talk) 16:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
| static_image_caption = Top to bottom, left to right: Central Milton Keynes Hub skyline, the Peace Pagoda - the first built in the Western World, the Church of Christ the Cornerstone, Willen Lake North and surrounding residences, the railway station, Queensway strip, Bletchley Park House, and the Theatre District from Campbell Park. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.250.54 ( talk) 16:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Alternatively (smaller, more widely representative)
| static_image_caption = Top to bottom, left to right: the Church of Christ the Cornerstone ( CMK); the Milton Keynes Peace Pagoda ( Willen Lake); High Street, Stony Stratford; Bletchley Park; Canal-side redevelopment in Wolverton; Milton Keynes Gallery (CMK)
Would that be a reasonable compromise? Two old, four modern; two from CMK, three old towns, one new area; two religious, four secular; two classical design, two pre-C20, two C21. The selection is inevitably arbitrary and we can argue which to include but IMO the total space taken up by the collage should be no bigger. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 12:37, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
As should be obvious, I've been bold and just made this image set live. I tried it with my skyline shot but even I could see that it is not of the same standard as these six. Further comment below. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 23:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
This is my competition bid: CMK from Great Holm (April 23) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 23:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
A more recent pic is needed but, given the importance of the Cock and the Bull in its history, it is important that they be included. I will take a new pic next time I'm up that way (unless someone gets there first). -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
I am about to replace the 1981–2010 table with the latest equivalent, 1991–2020 so I thought it may be useful to future editors to keep a copy of the old table here:
Climate data for Woburn 1981–2010 (Weather station 3 mi (5 km) to the SE of central Milton Keynes) | |||||||||||||
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Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) | 7.0 (44.6) |
7.4 (45.3) |
10.3 (50.5) |
13.1 (55.6) |
16.6 (61.9) |
19.6 (67.3) |
22.1 (71.8) |
21.9 (71.4) |
18.7 (65.7) |
14.4 (57.9) |
10.0 (50.0) |
7.2 (45.0) |
14.1 (57.4) |
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) | 1.3 (34.3) |
0.9 (33.6) |
2.7 (36.9) |
3.8 (38.8) |
6.5 (43.7) |
9.4 (48.9) |
11.7 (53.1) |
11.6 (52.9) |
9.6 (49.3) |
7.0 (44.6) |
3.8 (38.8) |
1.5 (34.7) |
5.8 (42.4) |
Average precipitation mm (inches) | 54.2 (2.13) |
41.7 (1.64) |
45.3 (1.78) |
52.1 (2.05) |
54.3 (2.14) |
53.2 (2.09) |
53.1 (2.09) |
55.4 (2.18) |
57.5 (2.26) |
70.3 (2.77) |
63.0 (2.48) |
57.3 (2.26) |
657.4 (25.88) |
Mean monthly sunshine hours | 52.0 | 69.4 | 105.5 | 147.4 | 183.4 | 179.9 | 197.1 | 189.0 | 137.0 | 105.6 | 61.7 | 43.5 | 1,471.6 |
Source: Met Office [1] |
𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 12:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure what happened here but the table in the article as it stood this morning didn't match the latest version on the Met Office website. It does now. (The Met Office also gives data for 1961–1990, 1971–2000, 1981–2010 and 1991–2010, if anybody wants to be depressed.) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 14:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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Should there be a pop culture reference to the common misconception especially abroad, that the town is named after prominent economists Milton Friedman and John Maynard Keynes? Outside of the UK this is the common although incorrect assumption. 220.253.111.35 ( talk) 05:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Should we change most uses of "CMK" in the article to "city centre"? I suspect that it was originally written that way as device to avoid using the word "city" before status was granted. It looks a bit cliquish to me but does it matter? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 12:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
MK editors may wish to comment (at talk:Buckinghamshire#Infobox image selection) on the choice of the (replica) Concrete Cows to represent the city. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
I asked this at Talk:Central_Milton_Keynes#Photos_by_"John_Chryslar"; I'll ask here as well. I notice that several photos by Flickr user "John Chryslar" [1] have been uploaded and are in use for Milton Keynes articles. This Flickr user has participated in a hoax with dishonestly photoshopped images (see Admin noticeboard, Noticeboard on Commons for details). The user has since been placed on Commons Flickr user blacklist. Has anyone noticed anything strange or suspicious about their Milton Keynes related photos? -- Infrogmation ( talk) 23:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Campbell Park is included under the Linear Parks heading, but is it a linear park? The article Campbell Park doesn't describe it as such. Secondly, there is a quote attributed to Nicholas Pevsner. Pevsner died in 1983 and according to the Campbell Park article the park opened in 1984 — the book the quote is taken from was published in 2000. Would someone with access to the source kindly check this? Rupples ( talk) 05:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
This is to explain my reversion of the good-faith edit by User:BritishSikh.
It is difficult to do demographic analysis for MK because of some very sloppy toponymy in the ONS. As they (rather feebly) explain at Milton Keynes and the Census (an FoI response), for the 2011 census reports, they subdivided the MK urban area (BUA) into four Built-up SubAreas (BUSAs): Bletchley, "Milton Keynes" (sic!, actually about three-quarters of MK), Newport Pagnell and Woburn Sands. Ugly, but at least they produced figures for the overall BUA.
For the 2021 census, they declared that BUSAs are now BUAs and that the old BUAs will be " agglomerations" – only they haven't released these agglomerations yet, let alone given any data for them.
The essence of this is that the report at https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/customprofiles/build/#E6300385 , although they call it the "Milton Keynes Built-up Area", it is not MK as everybody understands it but only at most three-quarters of it.
Thus if anyone really wants to report the demographics of the MK urban area, they will need to extract and sum the reports for Bletchley, "Milton Keynes" (sic, actually about three-quarters of MK), Newport Pagnell and Woburn Sands. Or at least I think that is it since I have no idea where they have filed the south-east expansion areas like Eagle Farm. There is a grave danger of
wp:SYNTH violation.
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In my opinion, the 'Culture, Education, Media & Sport' tab should be spilt into separate tabs as in my opinion it would make the article easier to follow. User:Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 20:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
I have re-jigged the sections a little bit, as there was quite a bit of duplication and some of the sections seemed to be a little odd, especially if you compare it to articles on other cities. There are still only 10 level 1 subheadings, which is not a lot considering the size of the article. I did not add or remove any information though. Abcmaxx ( talk) 14:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
As an additional point, the fact that the government uses a certain phrase does not convince me, as the government does lots of unusual and illogical things which do not work well. Abcmaxx ( talk) 15:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Added up to date info on the radio stations Fishplater ( talk) 08:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Expanded the section, but the sources although reliable could be a lot better, if anyone knows where to find this information then please do not hesitate to add it. Abcmaxx ( talk) 16:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
So I tried looking for sources which would even discuss twinning but could not find any, also tried to see whether any of them lapsed, also could not find any mention anywhere. It all seems very unstructured to be honest. Abcmaxx ( talk) 22:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
@ John Maynard Friedman: I disagree, maybe so in the UK but in other parts of the world twinning is still a big part of cultural exchange and inter-city development. Rather than deleting outright, how about changing it to prose, better reflecting the reality? Abcmaxx ( talk) 17:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
@ John Maynard Friedman done as discussed, I tried to keep it coherent and true to the sources at the same time. Abcmaxx ( talk) 20:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
user:37.152.231.40 objects to the adjective "large" as in "large town" to describe MK. This style has been used in this article for many many years without comment. The same usage may be seen at Reading, Berkshire: Reading [...] is a large, historic market town in Berkshire, South East England.
Wikipedia is written for a worldwide readership. In most of the world, a settlement of well over 200,000 people would be called a city. City status in the United Kingdom explains why British usage differs. A "town" can be anything from few hundred individuals to hundred of thousands. WP:think of the reader rather than wiki-lawyering: a qualifier is essential. Do I really have to find a citation that says that MK is 'large'. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 08:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
According to this BBC report, MK is a "large town" by some margin, since the threshold set by the reliable source is 135,000. [1] So what makes a random Wikipedia editor's opinion more valid? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 08:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The Centre for Cities is not a reliable secondary source - it is primary! I think so many of the disputes on WP arise from people misunderstanding, misquoting and generally misusing sourses. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 20:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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Recognising the emerging consensus, I have changed the article so that now it reads "the largest town in Buckinghamshire" (rather than "a large town in Buckinghamshire"). The revised edition is objectively true though rather more stolid. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 12:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
If we started calling Monmouth small but Ross on Wye medium. Arguments would arise over the use of medium sized to smaller or small.
Some settlements are smaller or bigger then others but to me. If it's a market charter and town council or status. It's a market town. If it's a cathedral status for a city then it's cathedral city like Ripon York Lincoln and Wakefield and so on.
Articles are usually written from a pov and neutral stance by authors on sources so to me find a historical status from ages back to establish the right term. As many say terms are debated and unless widely recognised or used. It's subjective using small medium or large.
I'd rather just read ie "Fakenham is a market town in Norfolk, England" then "Fakenham is a medium-sized market town in the region of East Anglia in the county of Norfolk in eastern England". That's too much reading to me. Simplified is best for everyone who isn't bothered with in depth regions and sizes of towns.
DragonofBatley ( talk) 16:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Basically starts with 'for MK see a completely different page' (For Milton Keynes, the original village, see Middleton, Milton Keynes)
Why can't we have a page entitle MK actually be about MK ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.1.35 ( talk) 13:57, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
I reverted an edit by DragonofBatley because it is at odds with reality. I appreciate that editors from elsewhere have difficulty getting their heads around the way that MK works. It is fully parished. It has six town councils as well as many parish councils: all are subsidiary to Milton Keynes Council. Central Milton Keynes is just the central business district: in accordance with the law, it declared itself to be a town. In a poly-centric settlement, it is first among equals but is a town centre, not the town centre. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 19:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
The Centre for Cities have redesigned their web page so that the raw economic data is less accessible. Fortunately, Archive.org has captured earlier versions so I will be working on this section over the next few days to put some dates on the statements and broaden the perspective. Advice here will be welcome. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 12:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Meanwhile, these are the historic data
The problem now is how best to summarise this data without being accused of POV and OR? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 17:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC) Updated to add 'league table' positions found on spray diagram. --11:10, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Productivity: GVA per hour (£). I'm afraid you will have to point out the POV wording, I'm not seeing it. [M R-D again!] -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 20:50, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, I reverted user:Tweedledumb2's addition of a table giving demographics from 30 years ago. This article is rated as GA, so additions as significant as this one need consensus to be added. I invite other editors to contribute. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 00:07, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
This is Tweedledumb2's proposed addition:
Ethnic Group | 1991 [1] [2] | |
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Number | % | |
White: Total | 166,101 | 94.19% |
White: British | - | - |
White: Irish | 3,614 | 20.4% |
White: Gypsy or Irish Traveller [note 1] | - | - |
White: Other | - | - |
Asian or Asian British: Total | 5,982 | 3.39% |
Asian or Asian British: Indian | 2,861 | 1.62% |
Asian or Asian British: Pakistani | 822 | |
Asian or Asian British: Bangladeshi | 694 | |
Asian or Asian British: Chinese [note 2] | 667 | |
Asian or Asian British: Other Asian | 938 | |
Black or Black British: Total | 2,869 | 1.62% |
Black or Black British: Caribbean | 1,665 | |
Black or Black British: African | 523 | |
Black or Black British: Other Black | 681 | |
Mixed: Total | - | - |
Mixed: White and Black Caribbean | - | - |
Mixed: White and Black African | - | - |
Mixed: White and Asian | - | - |
Mixed: Other Mixed | - | - |
Other: Total | 1,378 | 0.78% |
Other: Arab [note 3] | - | - |
Other: Any other ethnic group | 1,378 | 0.78% |
Total | 176,330 | 100% |
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Milton Keynes is a city in England. Population: 287,100 (2021 Census) 84.70.204.42 ( talk) 16:25, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to propose a new replacement collage for the infobox section. Since its been more than a decade since it was updated, and the skyline today has changed quite alot now, Wikipedia photographer John Chryslar has recently posted stunning new images that I think would be a nice update to this article. Milton Keynes major wikipedian supervisor User:John Maynard Friedman has recently questioned the design of the collage I tried to put in the article. Any suggestions? Thanks Raphael.concorde ( talk) 01:03, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
Good afternoon, I surfed through the commons pages and put together this new revised collage. Let me know what you think. 147.197.250.54 ( talk) 16:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
| static_image_caption = Top to bottom, left to right: Central Milton Keynes Hub skyline, the Peace Pagoda - the first built in the Western World, the Church of Christ the Cornerstone, Willen Lake North and surrounding residences, the railway station, Queensway strip, Bletchley Park House, and the Theatre District from Campbell Park. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.250.54 ( talk) 16:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Alternatively (smaller, more widely representative)
| static_image_caption = Top to bottom, left to right: the Church of Christ the Cornerstone ( CMK); the Milton Keynes Peace Pagoda ( Willen Lake); High Street, Stony Stratford; Bletchley Park; Canal-side redevelopment in Wolverton; Milton Keynes Gallery (CMK)
Would that be a reasonable compromise? Two old, four modern; two from CMK, three old towns, one new area; two religious, four secular; two classical design, two pre-C20, two C21. The selection is inevitably arbitrary and we can argue which to include but IMO the total space taken up by the collage should be no bigger. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 12:37, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
As should be obvious, I've been bold and just made this image set live. I tried it with my skyline shot but even I could see that it is not of the same standard as these six. Further comment below. -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 23:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
This is my competition bid: CMK from Great Holm (April 23) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 23:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
A more recent pic is needed but, given the importance of the Cock and the Bull in its history, it is important that they be included. I will take a new pic next time I'm up that way (unless someone gets there first). -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 16:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
I am about to replace the 1981–2010 table with the latest equivalent, 1991–2020 so I thought it may be useful to future editors to keep a copy of the old table here:
Climate data for Woburn 1981–2010 (Weather station 3 mi (5 km) to the SE of central Milton Keynes) | |||||||||||||
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Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) | 7.0 (44.6) |
7.4 (45.3) |
10.3 (50.5) |
13.1 (55.6) |
16.6 (61.9) |
19.6 (67.3) |
22.1 (71.8) |
21.9 (71.4) |
18.7 (65.7) |
14.4 (57.9) |
10.0 (50.0) |
7.2 (45.0) |
14.1 (57.4) |
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) | 1.3 (34.3) |
0.9 (33.6) |
2.7 (36.9) |
3.8 (38.8) |
6.5 (43.7) |
9.4 (48.9) |
11.7 (53.1) |
11.6 (52.9) |
9.6 (49.3) |
7.0 (44.6) |
3.8 (38.8) |
1.5 (34.7) |
5.8 (42.4) |
Average precipitation mm (inches) | 54.2 (2.13) |
41.7 (1.64) |
45.3 (1.78) |
52.1 (2.05) |
54.3 (2.14) |
53.2 (2.09) |
53.1 (2.09) |
55.4 (2.18) |
57.5 (2.26) |
70.3 (2.77) |
63.0 (2.48) |
57.3 (2.26) |
657.4 (25.88) |
Mean monthly sunshine hours | 52.0 | 69.4 | 105.5 | 147.4 | 183.4 | 179.9 | 197.1 | 189.0 | 137.0 | 105.6 | 61.7 | 43.5 | 1,471.6 |
Source: Met Office [1] |
𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 12:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure what happened here but the table in the article as it stood this morning didn't match the latest version on the Met Office website. It does now. (The Met Office also gives data for 1961–1990, 1971–2000, 1981–2010 and 1991–2010, if anybody wants to be depressed.) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 14:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
References
Should there be a pop culture reference to the common misconception especially abroad, that the town is named after prominent economists Milton Friedman and John Maynard Keynes? Outside of the UK this is the common although incorrect assumption. 220.253.111.35 ( talk) 05:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Should we change most uses of "CMK" in the article to "city centre"? I suspect that it was originally written that way as device to avoid using the word "city" before status was granted. It looks a bit cliquish to me but does it matter? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 12:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
MK editors may wish to comment (at talk:Buckinghamshire#Infobox image selection) on the choice of the (replica) Concrete Cows to represent the city. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 15:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
I asked this at Talk:Central_Milton_Keynes#Photos_by_"John_Chryslar"; I'll ask here as well. I notice that several photos by Flickr user "John Chryslar" [1] have been uploaded and are in use for Milton Keynes articles. This Flickr user has participated in a hoax with dishonestly photoshopped images (see Admin noticeboard, Noticeboard on Commons for details). The user has since been placed on Commons Flickr user blacklist. Has anyone noticed anything strange or suspicious about their Milton Keynes related photos? -- Infrogmation ( talk) 23:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Campbell Park is included under the Linear Parks heading, but is it a linear park? The article Campbell Park doesn't describe it as such. Secondly, there is a quote attributed to Nicholas Pevsner. Pevsner died in 1983 and according to the Campbell Park article the park opened in 1984 — the book the quote is taken from was published in 2000. Would someone with access to the source kindly check this? Rupples ( talk) 05:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
This is to explain my reversion of the good-faith edit by User:BritishSikh.
It is difficult to do demographic analysis for MK because of some very sloppy toponymy in the ONS. As they (rather feebly) explain at Milton Keynes and the Census (an FoI response), for the 2011 census reports, they subdivided the MK urban area (BUA) into four Built-up SubAreas (BUSAs): Bletchley, "Milton Keynes" (sic!, actually about three-quarters of MK), Newport Pagnell and Woburn Sands. Ugly, but at least they produced figures for the overall BUA.
For the 2021 census, they declared that BUSAs are now BUAs and that the old BUAs will be " agglomerations" – only they haven't released these agglomerations yet, let alone given any data for them.
The essence of this is that the report at https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/customprofiles/build/#E6300385 , although they call it the "Milton Keynes Built-up Area", it is not MK as everybody understands it but only at most three-quarters of it.
Thus if anyone really wants to report the demographics of the MK urban area, they will need to extract and sum the reports for Bletchley, "Milton Keynes" (sic, actually about three-quarters of MK), Newport Pagnell and Woburn Sands. Or at least I think that is it since I have no idea where they have filed the south-east expansion areas like Eagle Farm. There is a grave danger of
wp:SYNTH violation.
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