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The result of the proposal was moved. As a aside, do you know how many novels have an "A Novel" subtitle on their title pages? --
BDD (
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19:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Milton a Poem → Milton (poem) –
Milton (poem) currently redirects to this title. Sources vary in usage, but are generally split between "
Milton, a Poem", "
Milton: A Poem", and just plain "
Milton". Although there are some uses of "Milton a Poem" with no punctuation, this appears to be erroneous (and to some degree, results from copies of Wikipedia's own use of this unconventional style in this article title). I would also suggest
Milton, a Poem, or
Milton: A Poem as alternatives, but see no real reason to subtitle a poem with the words, "a poem".
bd2412T14:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)reply
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Partial support - subject to the correct casing, which I think, looking at the reproductions of the original, was Milton a Poem.
Imc (
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17:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Per
WP:SUBTITLE, it should be Milton: A Poem. Many books have no punctuation between a title and subtitle on their title pages, but WP style (and a number of others) call for a colon between title and subtitle and a capital letter to begin the subtitle.
Deor (
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19:09, 19 May 2014 (UTC)reply
It is the poem's proper name, and as much or more its commonname as anything else. So no-no to you too. Or do you just mean the "A" - I'm not too bothered about that.
Johnbod (
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00:01, 21 May 2014 (UTC)reply
I just noticed that the article has a nice high-res copy of the page I just linked; see
File:Milton a Poem copy D 1818 Library of Congress object 1.jpg. As with
BDD, I don't have a major issue with the current title, and would be content with keeping as is, which would avoid the problem of how to deal with the stylisation of the subtitle, and whether to include just the first two words of the subtitle or the complete subtitle.
Wbm1058 (
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22:59, 22 May 2014 (UTC)reply
Yup, stylisation. Regarding the point in the previous RM that many novels have an "A Novel" subtitle – I don't know whether that's a strong point, given the example at
WP:SUBTITLESOrlando: A Biography. I'd guess that "A Biography" is a common subtitle too. I recall an earlier RM disagreement over subtitles I participated in. See Don't Eat the Pictures. Perhaps a good compromise would be to keep the current parenthetically disambiguated "common name" title, but change the lead sentence to use the "official title" including the full subtitle.
Wbm1058 (
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23:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result of the proposal was moved. As a aside, do you know how many novels have an "A Novel" subtitle on their title pages? --
BDD (
talk)
19:59, 4 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Milton a Poem → Milton (poem) –
Milton (poem) currently redirects to this title. Sources vary in usage, but are generally split between "
Milton, a Poem", "
Milton: A Poem", and just plain "
Milton". Although there are some uses of "Milton a Poem" with no punctuation, this appears to be erroneous (and to some degree, results from copies of Wikipedia's own use of this unconventional style in this article title). I would also suggest
Milton, a Poem, or
Milton: A Poem as alternatives, but see no real reason to subtitle a poem with the words, "a poem".
bd2412T14:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
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Partial support - subject to the correct casing, which I think, looking at the reproductions of the original, was Milton a Poem.
Imc (
talk)
17:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Per
WP:SUBTITLE, it should be Milton: A Poem. Many books have no punctuation between a title and subtitle on their title pages, but WP style (and a number of others) call for a colon between title and subtitle and a capital letter to begin the subtitle.
Deor (
talk)
19:09, 19 May 2014 (UTC)reply
It is the poem's proper name, and as much or more its commonname as anything else. So no-no to you too. Or do you just mean the "A" - I'm not too bothered about that.
Johnbod (
talk)
00:01, 21 May 2014 (UTC)reply
I just noticed that the article has a nice high-res copy of the page I just linked; see
File:Milton a Poem copy D 1818 Library of Congress object 1.jpg. As with
BDD, I don't have a major issue with the current title, and would be content with keeping as is, which would avoid the problem of how to deal with the stylisation of the subtitle, and whether to include just the first two words of the subtitle or the complete subtitle.
Wbm1058 (
talk)
22:59, 22 May 2014 (UTC)reply
Yup, stylisation. Regarding the point in the previous RM that many novels have an "A Novel" subtitle – I don't know whether that's a strong point, given the example at
WP:SUBTITLESOrlando: A Biography. I'd guess that "A Biography" is a common subtitle too. I recall an earlier RM disagreement over subtitles I participated in. See Don't Eat the Pictures. Perhaps a good compromise would be to keep the current parenthetically disambiguated "common name" title, but change the lead sentence to use the "official title" including the full subtitle.
Wbm1058 (
talk)
23:28, 22 May 2014 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
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