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Did not find any source confirming his Montenegrin ethnicity.-- 166.32.193.81 ( talk) 16:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
You may want to read the following... http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=10772443 Norum 16:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
So here are the issues on the root language pronunciation of Raonic's name. We currently have it listed as Serbo-Croatian for two reasons.
1.) The country he immigrated from which was the SFR Yugoslavia used this as their official language. 2.) Serbo-Croatian is the root or Macro Language for the grouping of all the Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and Montenegrin languages. All four of these are in fact their own language groups of the Serbo-Croatian language, they all do exist politically, and it can be argued that these four language groups are all the same group. However the Serbo-Croatian language was divided politically and ethnically along these lines, whether they are different languages or one and the same isn't the argument here and I think we can all agree that if some official sources (note the plural) that he is of one ethnicity or political national affiliation or another we can assume that is the root language, until then it has to stay at the macro root because of the lack of succinct alternative (we do not know the official ethnicity).
So in order for us to officially establish his ethnicity we need to discover what his nationality or ethnicity is, of which we have two clues stating different things. Raonic's ATP profile lists his two languages as Serbian and English, this might lead us to believe that he might be of the Serbian language BUT it is only one source and requires more sources to verify it of which I have found none. The second clue we have is that in his 2011 Australian Open interview he refers to himself as Montenegrin which would suggest a political affiliation to that country, though it is not official. Now I'm not going to debate whether Montenegrin language is different than Serbian or not this is not the forum for that, but the reality of the situation is that it is that country's official language and unless his Serbian ethnicity is substantiated it could be argued that Montenegrin is his official language.
Now because of the lack of clarity on the issue we are left with two weakly disputable facts which in my opinion would lead us to label Raonic as Serbo-Croatian root because it was his root language upon leaving the country, and as a Canadian he would not apply to a political affiliation to any other country, based on the international view then the listing of his language would be Serbo-Croatian or SBC such as how the U.N. refers to these issues. I'm open to more thoughts and discussion here however. Krazytea( talk) 14:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Raonic's ATP profile lists Serbian - not Montenegrin. In addition, in his interview in Serbian, he is talking about Serbian as his native language: http://www.b92.net/sport/tenis/vesti.php?yyyy=2011&mm=06&dd=20&nav_id=520200 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.19.176.139 ( talk) 19:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Two Points
Other than that I'm impressed by the way this article has been greatly improved and expanded in the last few weeks. Ravendrop 07:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I have a concern about the lengths of his annual "biography summaries". The length of these is far too long in my opinion, especially the 2009, 2010 years. These should be summarised into a shorter length, should be readable, informative, and contain only essential information. Raonic's results from insignificant tournaments where he lost early in rounds to no particular player of note real does not contribute to the article and the mass of information itself could scare people away more than anything. Evidence contributing to this shows that no edits are made to those areas of the article and instead it is the statistical and current season that are edited and refined the most, the quick hit areas of the article if you will.
My point is that unless somebody clarifies as to why these should be including in the article I will be purging them down to essential information only. Cheers, Krazytea( talk) 02:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Why material is being removed - If any of the material is being removed it is because it lacks notability, the point of these articles are not to write pinpoint play by play biographies, but rather to highlight the most notable events and victories. Insignificant events where Raonic did not perform well early, or lost to other low ranked players qualifies as insignificant to me, though I am open to discussion. We do not want to scare readers away from Wikipedia with huge blocks of text and make this material relevant only to those interested in the topic. The point of this is as an encyclopedia and to highlight the key points only, we do not need to fill in all the blanks, we are not supposed to be writing a book. Cheers, Krazytea( talk) 19:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
As this page grows bigger and has drawn the attention of more and more editors I think it would be time for a peer review. Everyone agrees? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 18:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Please consider these while editing/improving: ( Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 08:54, 7 March 2011 (UTC), orginally by Finetooth)
Junior tennis career
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Milos Raonic → Miloš Raonić – 21:18, 31 August 2011 (UTC) I think we should move article to his native name Miloš Raonić. The same situation is with other sportpersons who are competing for country where their origin is not ( Jelena Dokić, Zlatan Ibrahimović, Nikola Karabatić, Bojan Krkić, Aleks Marić, Csaba Szilágyi...). Raonić compete under the Canadian flag, but he has a Montenegrin, or Serbian, or Yugoslavian orgin. His native full name is Miloš Raonić and we usually use the native names.-- Aca Srbin ( talk) 14:00, 31 Augusy 2011 (CEST)
I appreciate using a reflective, not action, shot, but I've seen a lot of pictures of Milos, and this one does not look "like him", and it is pretty weak. I'm scared to death of Wiki's pic policy. Can someone with the right team of lawyers put up a better shot of him? Billyshiverstick ( talk) 17:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
All this chat about nationality, language, and diacritics reveals a flaw in the Wiki process we need to address.
Newspapers often insert their own bias when writing names, and labelling people's identity. Citing a newspaper article is not proof of any of the above, unless the article actually quotes Milos himself, talking about how he identifies himself, or is clear that it says "many Canadians are proud of him as a Canadian" etc.
I think there should be a way that people can edit their own wiki article - I know, I know - "original research"
or Wiki Editors can ask people'
as long as they clearly source it as themselves they should be able to say "he identifies himself as Canadian, although he was born in Montenergo" etc and set preferences for how their name is spelled and pronounced.
Notre Dame University pronounces its own name wrong - but hey, its "their name"! cheers Billyshiverstick ( talk) 17:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I realize that folks like to revise history, but Rusedski reached number 4, on October 6th, 1997; same as Milos Raonic. Rusedski was born in Montreal and thus a Canadian tennis player. Milos is neither the highest ranked Canadian in the open era, nor is he the only one to reach the top 10 in the open era. I've removed two false statements. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ru/G/Greg-Rusedski.aspx 162.156.117.253 ( talk) 21:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
The ATP only considers players' present nationalities, or who they represent, to be relevant. Rusedski was born in Montreal, but from 1995 onwards he represented Great Britain, and so his world #4 ranking does not count as 'the highest Canadian ever'. Milos Raonic was born in Montenegro, but he has represented Canada his entire life. Many players have changed nationalities (Rodionova, Lendl etc) and the ATP considers their statistics after their switch to be for their new country, if that explains it well enough. Iheartthestrals ( talk) 17:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
"The ATP only considers players' present nationalities, or who they represent, to be relevant"
Rusedski is still a Canadian tennis player, because he was born in Canada. This is a fact. I'm sorry for Milos, but he needs to reach 3 and supercede Rusedski to actually achieve something that Canadians have not. Now, if you want to revise it to being the highest player officially playing for Canada, then that would be fine, but that is not what was written. I've, once again, striken all the false 'achievements' for Milos. 162.156.117.253 ( talk) 09:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
The debate here along with the minor edit-war appears to have two sides:
I think this debate hinges on the meaning of the phrase "Canadian tennis player" or, more broadly, the meaning of the phrase "top Canadian" or "first Canadian" (omitting the words "tennis player") in an article about tennis players. To determine this, let's examine some context:
For all of the reasons listed above, phrases like "Canadian tennis player" or just "Canadian" in the context of a tennis article are synonyms for "a tennis player whose national affiliation is to Tennis Canada". This would be the same for any other country.
On the other hand, "Canadian tennis player" does not mean any of the following:
In light of this, within tennis articles:
Major, mainstream media (both inside Canada and outside) all agree, as shown in the following table:
Source | Quote | Comment |
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CBC Sports | February 13, 2011
In 2011, "... Raonic became the first Canadian to win an ATP Tour title since 1995..." |
Correct. "... since 1995..." refers to Rusedski's victory at Seoul Open in April 1995, just before his switch. |
Tennis Canada | February 28, 2011
"Earlier this month, Raonic became the first Canadian since 1995 to capture an ATP title at the SAP Open in San Jose, California." | |
The Globe and Mail | September 1, 2012
"Milos Raonic advanced to the quarter-finals of the U.S. Open ... Raonic is the first Canadian male to get this far at Flushing Meadows since 1988, when Montreal’s Martin Laurendeau did it." |
Correct. Rusedski only reached the first round at the US Open as a Canadian tennis player; he reached the final as a British tennis player in 1997. |
BBC Sports | August 11, 2013
"[Raonic's] victory ensured he will be his country's first representative in the top 10 of the ATP world rankings." |
Correct. Rusedski reached the top 10 as a British tennis player in 1997. |
Sports Illustrated | August 13, 2013
"The ATP top 10 also welcomes a new member into the fold. 22-year-old Milos Raonic becomes the youngest member of the Top 10 after making his first ATP Masters 1000 final in Montreal. Raonic, ranked right at No. 10, is the first Canadian man to ever break into the top 10." | |
Tennis.com | May 30, 2014
"Eighth-seeded Milos Raonic became the first Canadian man in history to reach the fourth round at the French Open..." |
Correct. Rusedski reached the third round of the French Open in 1994 as a Canadian tennis player.
He reached the 4th round in 1999 as a British tennis player. |
ATP | August 10, 2015
"Heading into the Rogers Cup in Montreal, World No. 10 Milos Raonic is primed to do something no other Canadian man has achieved: win 200 singles matches on the ATP World Tour." |
Correct. Rusedski had 436 career victories, but only 62 as a Canadian tennis player.
(2 in 1992 + 16 in 1993 + 21 in 1994 + 23 in 1995 before switching) |
New York Times | January 29, 2016
"[Andy Murray] had more to contend with against Raonic, who was playing in the semifinals of a Grand Slam tournament for only the second time, and aiming to be the first Canadian man to reach the final of a major." |
Correct. Rusedski reached the US Open final as a British tennis player in 1997. |
ESPN | January 29, 2016
"No Canadian man has ever reached the final of a tennis Grand Slam (Eugenie Bouchard was the first woman to do so at Wimbledon in 2014), but for a while Friday, it looked as if Raonic would become the first." |
Saskoiler ( talk) 17:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Rusedksi, by the ATP sources:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/greg-rusedski/r237/bio
Was a Canadian tennis player.
Rusedski - won 15 titles, and reached 12 other finals.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/greg-rusedski/r237/titles-and-finals
This is greater than Raonic's total.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/greg-rusedski/r237/rankings-history
Rusedski - reached world number 4, from the period of time from May 25th of 1998, to June 15th of 1998, and again on the week of October 6th 1997.
Given that my source is actually correct, in showing Rusedski's true ranking - the Canadian press releases are incorrect, and should be taken down, because they all make the assumption that Rusedski is not Canadian. There may come a time when Raonic supercedes Rusedski's achievements, until then, he's not the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:FACB:DA00:B05F:FCBD:9ABD:E0DE ( talk) 13:03, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
It has been almost 5 years (see above) since the last major effort to improve the quality of the Milos Raonic article. His career has progressed substantially since then, and it is time for another systematic update.
I've reviewed the current state of the article, and used this to create a plan for improvements. Because this is very lengthy, I've created a subpage: Talk:Milos_Raonic/2016_article_cleanup . I welcome feedback from other editors with ideas to improve this article. Saskoiler ( talk) 18:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
We have two citations for the pronunciation of his name, both pointing to the same video (being hosted in different places). This isn't really necessary as it simply clutters the lead sentence.
I'm removing one, but will give its URL here as a backup in case the other ever becomes dead.
Saskoiler ( talk) 22:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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...he reflected that the loss was "probably the most heartbroken [he has] felt...
its "individuality and [because he] felt [he] could train more alone and on a ball machine with [his] dad".[19] Raonic
I will look at this article for a while to see if it becomes stabler. If it does, it will be passed. 333 -blue 08:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't these two be separated in two sections, as it is the case with 99% other biographic articles? Sideshow Bob 12:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Just tripped over this at Wikipedia:Featured_articles/By_length at #32; we should probably think about splitting out his career? Mjquinn_id ( talk) 03:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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Did not find any source confirming his Montenegrin ethnicity.-- 166.32.193.81 ( talk) 16:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
You may want to read the following... http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=10772443 Norum 16:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
So here are the issues on the root language pronunciation of Raonic's name. We currently have it listed as Serbo-Croatian for two reasons.
1.) The country he immigrated from which was the SFR Yugoslavia used this as their official language. 2.) Serbo-Croatian is the root or Macro Language for the grouping of all the Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and Montenegrin languages. All four of these are in fact their own language groups of the Serbo-Croatian language, they all do exist politically, and it can be argued that these four language groups are all the same group. However the Serbo-Croatian language was divided politically and ethnically along these lines, whether they are different languages or one and the same isn't the argument here and I think we can all agree that if some official sources (note the plural) that he is of one ethnicity or political national affiliation or another we can assume that is the root language, until then it has to stay at the macro root because of the lack of succinct alternative (we do not know the official ethnicity).
So in order for us to officially establish his ethnicity we need to discover what his nationality or ethnicity is, of which we have two clues stating different things. Raonic's ATP profile lists his two languages as Serbian and English, this might lead us to believe that he might be of the Serbian language BUT it is only one source and requires more sources to verify it of which I have found none. The second clue we have is that in his 2011 Australian Open interview he refers to himself as Montenegrin which would suggest a political affiliation to that country, though it is not official. Now I'm not going to debate whether Montenegrin language is different than Serbian or not this is not the forum for that, but the reality of the situation is that it is that country's official language and unless his Serbian ethnicity is substantiated it could be argued that Montenegrin is his official language.
Now because of the lack of clarity on the issue we are left with two weakly disputable facts which in my opinion would lead us to label Raonic as Serbo-Croatian root because it was his root language upon leaving the country, and as a Canadian he would not apply to a political affiliation to any other country, based on the international view then the listing of his language would be Serbo-Croatian or SBC such as how the U.N. refers to these issues. I'm open to more thoughts and discussion here however. Krazytea( talk) 14:29, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Raonic's ATP profile lists Serbian - not Montenegrin. In addition, in his interview in Serbian, he is talking about Serbian as his native language: http://www.b92.net/sport/tenis/vesti.php?yyyy=2011&mm=06&dd=20&nav_id=520200 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.19.176.139 ( talk) 19:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Two Points
Other than that I'm impressed by the way this article has been greatly improved and expanded in the last few weeks. Ravendrop 07:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I have a concern about the lengths of his annual "biography summaries". The length of these is far too long in my opinion, especially the 2009, 2010 years. These should be summarised into a shorter length, should be readable, informative, and contain only essential information. Raonic's results from insignificant tournaments where he lost early in rounds to no particular player of note real does not contribute to the article and the mass of information itself could scare people away more than anything. Evidence contributing to this shows that no edits are made to those areas of the article and instead it is the statistical and current season that are edited and refined the most, the quick hit areas of the article if you will.
My point is that unless somebody clarifies as to why these should be including in the article I will be purging them down to essential information only. Cheers, Krazytea( talk) 02:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Why material is being removed - If any of the material is being removed it is because it lacks notability, the point of these articles are not to write pinpoint play by play biographies, but rather to highlight the most notable events and victories. Insignificant events where Raonic did not perform well early, or lost to other low ranked players qualifies as insignificant to me, though I am open to discussion. We do not want to scare readers away from Wikipedia with huge blocks of text and make this material relevant only to those interested in the topic. The point of this is as an encyclopedia and to highlight the key points only, we do not need to fill in all the blanks, we are not supposed to be writing a book. Cheers, Krazytea( talk) 19:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
As this page grows bigger and has drawn the attention of more and more editors I think it would be time for a peer review. Everyone agrees? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 18:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Please consider these while editing/improving: ( Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 08:54, 7 March 2011 (UTC), orginally by Finetooth)
Junior tennis career
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 18:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Milos Raonic → Miloš Raonić – 21:18, 31 August 2011 (UTC) I think we should move article to his native name Miloš Raonić. The same situation is with other sportpersons who are competing for country where their origin is not ( Jelena Dokić, Zlatan Ibrahimović, Nikola Karabatić, Bojan Krkić, Aleks Marić, Csaba Szilágyi...). Raonić compete under the Canadian flag, but he has a Montenegrin, or Serbian, or Yugoslavian orgin. His native full name is Miloš Raonić and we usually use the native names.-- Aca Srbin ( talk) 14:00, 31 Augusy 2011 (CEST)
I appreciate using a reflective, not action, shot, but I've seen a lot of pictures of Milos, and this one does not look "like him", and it is pretty weak. I'm scared to death of Wiki's pic policy. Can someone with the right team of lawyers put up a better shot of him? Billyshiverstick ( talk) 17:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
All this chat about nationality, language, and diacritics reveals a flaw in the Wiki process we need to address.
Newspapers often insert their own bias when writing names, and labelling people's identity. Citing a newspaper article is not proof of any of the above, unless the article actually quotes Milos himself, talking about how he identifies himself, or is clear that it says "many Canadians are proud of him as a Canadian" etc.
I think there should be a way that people can edit their own wiki article - I know, I know - "original research"
or Wiki Editors can ask people'
as long as they clearly source it as themselves they should be able to say "he identifies himself as Canadian, although he was born in Montenergo" etc and set preferences for how their name is spelled and pronounced.
Notre Dame University pronounces its own name wrong - but hey, its "their name"! cheers Billyshiverstick ( talk) 17:40, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I realize that folks like to revise history, but Rusedski reached number 4, on October 6th, 1997; same as Milos Raonic. Rusedski was born in Montreal and thus a Canadian tennis player. Milos is neither the highest ranked Canadian in the open era, nor is he the only one to reach the top 10 in the open era. I've removed two false statements. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ru/G/Greg-Rusedski.aspx 162.156.117.253 ( talk) 21:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
The ATP only considers players' present nationalities, or who they represent, to be relevant. Rusedski was born in Montreal, but from 1995 onwards he represented Great Britain, and so his world #4 ranking does not count as 'the highest Canadian ever'. Milos Raonic was born in Montenegro, but he has represented Canada his entire life. Many players have changed nationalities (Rodionova, Lendl etc) and the ATP considers their statistics after their switch to be for their new country, if that explains it well enough. Iheartthestrals ( talk) 17:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
"The ATP only considers players' present nationalities, or who they represent, to be relevant"
Rusedski is still a Canadian tennis player, because he was born in Canada. This is a fact. I'm sorry for Milos, but he needs to reach 3 and supercede Rusedski to actually achieve something that Canadians have not. Now, if you want to revise it to being the highest player officially playing for Canada, then that would be fine, but that is not what was written. I've, once again, striken all the false 'achievements' for Milos. 162.156.117.253 ( talk) 09:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
The debate here along with the minor edit-war appears to have two sides:
I think this debate hinges on the meaning of the phrase "Canadian tennis player" or, more broadly, the meaning of the phrase "top Canadian" or "first Canadian" (omitting the words "tennis player") in an article about tennis players. To determine this, let's examine some context:
For all of the reasons listed above, phrases like "Canadian tennis player" or just "Canadian" in the context of a tennis article are synonyms for "a tennis player whose national affiliation is to Tennis Canada". This would be the same for any other country.
On the other hand, "Canadian tennis player" does not mean any of the following:
In light of this, within tennis articles:
Major, mainstream media (both inside Canada and outside) all agree, as shown in the following table:
Source | Quote | Comment |
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CBC Sports | February 13, 2011
In 2011, "... Raonic became the first Canadian to win an ATP Tour title since 1995..." |
Correct. "... since 1995..." refers to Rusedski's victory at Seoul Open in April 1995, just before his switch. |
Tennis Canada | February 28, 2011
"Earlier this month, Raonic became the first Canadian since 1995 to capture an ATP title at the SAP Open in San Jose, California." | |
The Globe and Mail | September 1, 2012
"Milos Raonic advanced to the quarter-finals of the U.S. Open ... Raonic is the first Canadian male to get this far at Flushing Meadows since 1988, when Montreal’s Martin Laurendeau did it." |
Correct. Rusedski only reached the first round at the US Open as a Canadian tennis player; he reached the final as a British tennis player in 1997. |
BBC Sports | August 11, 2013
"[Raonic's] victory ensured he will be his country's first representative in the top 10 of the ATP world rankings." |
Correct. Rusedski reached the top 10 as a British tennis player in 1997. |
Sports Illustrated | August 13, 2013
"The ATP top 10 also welcomes a new member into the fold. 22-year-old Milos Raonic becomes the youngest member of the Top 10 after making his first ATP Masters 1000 final in Montreal. Raonic, ranked right at No. 10, is the first Canadian man to ever break into the top 10." | |
Tennis.com | May 30, 2014
"Eighth-seeded Milos Raonic became the first Canadian man in history to reach the fourth round at the French Open..." |
Correct. Rusedski reached the third round of the French Open in 1994 as a Canadian tennis player.
He reached the 4th round in 1999 as a British tennis player. |
ATP | August 10, 2015
"Heading into the Rogers Cup in Montreal, World No. 10 Milos Raonic is primed to do something no other Canadian man has achieved: win 200 singles matches on the ATP World Tour." |
Correct. Rusedski had 436 career victories, but only 62 as a Canadian tennis player.
(2 in 1992 + 16 in 1993 + 21 in 1994 + 23 in 1995 before switching) |
New York Times | January 29, 2016
"[Andy Murray] had more to contend with against Raonic, who was playing in the semifinals of a Grand Slam tournament for only the second time, and aiming to be the first Canadian man to reach the final of a major." |
Correct. Rusedski reached the US Open final as a British tennis player in 1997. |
ESPN | January 29, 2016
"No Canadian man has ever reached the final of a tennis Grand Slam (Eugenie Bouchard was the first woman to do so at Wimbledon in 2014), but for a while Friday, it looked as if Raonic would become the first." |
Saskoiler ( talk) 17:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Rusedksi, by the ATP sources:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/greg-rusedski/r237/bio
Was a Canadian tennis player.
Rusedski - won 15 titles, and reached 12 other finals.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/greg-rusedski/r237/titles-and-finals
This is greater than Raonic's total.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/greg-rusedski/r237/rankings-history
Rusedski - reached world number 4, from the period of time from May 25th of 1998, to June 15th of 1998, and again on the week of October 6th 1997.
Given that my source is actually correct, in showing Rusedski's true ranking - the Canadian press releases are incorrect, and should be taken down, because they all make the assumption that Rusedski is not Canadian. There may come a time when Raonic supercedes Rusedski's achievements, until then, he's not the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:FACB:DA00:B05F:FCBD:9ABD:E0DE ( talk) 13:03, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
It has been almost 5 years (see above) since the last major effort to improve the quality of the Milos Raonic article. His career has progressed substantially since then, and it is time for another systematic update.
I've reviewed the current state of the article, and used this to create a plan for improvements. Because this is very lengthy, I've created a subpage: Talk:Milos_Raonic/2016_article_cleanup . I welcome feedback from other editors with ideas to improve this article. Saskoiler ( talk) 18:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
We have two citations for the pronunciation of his name, both pointing to the same video (being hosted in different places). This isn't really necessary as it simply clutters the lead sentence.
I'm removing one, but will give its URL here as a backup in case the other ever becomes dead.
Saskoiler ( talk) 22:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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Reviewer: 333-blue ( talk · contribs) 10:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
I am about to review this article soon. 333 -blue 10:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | I don't know what "[]" means, as no URLs are given. |
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1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Use Candian English, as per MOS:TIES. Milos Raonic is a Canadian. |
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2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Perfect! |
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2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | It seems like that the article has a lot of reliable sources and correct citations. It looks pretty good. |
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3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | Very focussing on the topic. |
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4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | It looks good. |
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5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | The history seems quite terrible, but almost pass, consider waiting for a while. |
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6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | |
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7. Overall assessment. | Waiting for a couple of days, mainly the history needs to be stabler. |
Re: Canadian English
Re: I don't know what "[]" means, as no URLs are given.
...he reflected that the loss was "probably the most heartbroken [he has] felt...
its "individuality and [because he] felt [he] could train more alone and on a ball machine with [his] dad".[19] Raonic
I will look at this article for a while to see if it becomes stabler. If it does, it will be passed. 333 -blue 08:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't these two be separated in two sections, as it is the case with 99% other biographic articles? Sideshow Bob 12:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Just tripped over this at Wikipedia:Featured_articles/By_length at #32; we should probably think about splitting out his career? Mjquinn_id ( talk) 03:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)