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Added Knight's Templar flag. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 00:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This article claims there were military orders within Eastern Orthodoxy, but never lists any. Am I missing something? Themill can't be bothered to sign in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 ( talk) 03:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Removed any references to Ortodoxy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.55.6.82 ( talk) 17:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Simply, somebody anonymous greatly changed article, without previous talking about it. Please use talk page before great changes. Yopie 02:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
or better name Knights of the Cross with the Red Star because this order is Czech, so official name is Czech Křižovnický řád rytířů s červenou hvězdou and there is not anything about "crusaders" or "military" (in fact, the Orders wasnt military). In Ackermann are names "Orden vom Kreuz mit dem rothern Stern" , in official pages [1] are many names in Latin as Canonici Regulares Sanctissimae Crucis a stella rubea, Crucigeri cum rubea stella, Crucigeri stellati, Stelliferi, Křížovníci s červenou hvězdou, Křížovníci. On other page of one church attached to the Order, himself is called Knights of the Cross with the Red Star (see [2])So, other test "Knights of the Cross.." 729 ghits, "Military orders.." 0 ghits. Be honest, I found one citation of this name in old Catholic Encyclopedia here, but this entry is full of incorrect fact. The Order wasn't in the Holy Land and was founded in Bohemia, so connotation to Crusaders is simply false. This Order is and was "military" only in pure ceremonial way, and it is mainly hospitaller order. --Yopie 02:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
<ref name="HistoriaRioja-EdadModerna">{{cita libro| apellidos = Hernández Lázaro | nombre = José Fermín | enlaceautor = | título = Historia de La Rioja. Edad Moderna - Edad Contemporánea. | año = 1983 | editorial = Caja de Ahorros de La Rioja| id = ISBN 84.7231-903-2|páginas= 52 |capítulo= Órdenes militares, divisas y linajes de La Rioja.}}</ref>
This page has the Hospitallers and the Knights of Malta listed separately, with different dates of founding... but the Knights of Malta aka Sovereign Military Order of Malta _are_ the Knights Hospitaller... they are the modern version of them. Why list them separately? Especially with different dates of founding? Leecharleswalker ( talk) 20:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
It's strange and misleading that "Orders of Chivalry" redirect to Military order and "Orders of chivalry" redirects to Chivalric order. -- 79.20.253.233 ( talk) 22:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
A list of requirements for an organization to be a true military order or various types of orders and the requirements for each type would be helpful,if I had not done further link clicking I would have been un aware that an order must have a fount of honor. If it doesn't it's a self styled order, self styled orders were mentioned but a full list of requirements would be a good addition to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlathropn ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Like a lot of historiography, the article assumes that military orders originated after the first crusade. But in a later section, it lists the Order of Saint James of Altopascio which was founded in 1070. To my knowledge, similar institutions existed in Spain, too. There is no doubt that the crusades helped the military orders to become important, but I would like to see a more detailed account in the article. -- Zz ( talk) 18:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
"Military order" has several other meanings in English like written military operations order or type of Military decoration like Order (honour). We need some sort of disambiguation. -- Jarekt ( talk) 13:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn. I have opened a different move proposal below. Srnec ( talk) 12:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Military order (society) →
Military order – Recently moved without discussion from its longstanding title. –
Srnec (
talk)
21:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the disambiguation page to the plain title, and consensus not to move Military order (society) to Military orders, per the discussion below. For the time being, also redirecting Military orders to Military order, although further discussion of the redirect might be advisable. Dekimasu よ! 21:21, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
– The primary usage of the plural form is the medieval monastic orders of knights, as Google Web, Scholar and Books search will show. The singular form does not have a primary usage, because there are many honours known named "Military Order of ..." and there are many references to this or that order from a military officer. There is very little written about military orders (in the latter sense) in general, and so the plural of the common noun does not compete with the medieval orders for primacy. Also, the medieval orders are limited in number: the military orders can be precisely enumerated. Srnec ( talk) 12:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
How popular have such views become? Indeed, what are "such views" (as opposed to the specific stated view)? Who are these others that have criticized it? Is the "suggestion" that there were no ribats around there supported by evidence, or just their own speculation? Iapetus ( talk) 14:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Reasonable arguments from both sides, votes roughly splits. Jenks24 ( talk) 04:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Military order (monastic society) →
Military order – Replacing the current
Military order with
Military order (disambiguation).
Chicbyaccident (
talk) 13:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted.
BrownHairedGirl
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contribs)
16:37, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Military order (monastic society)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Davies":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:19, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm a bit puzzled by the distinction between "International" and "National" orders. Many, if not most, of the orders listed as National did actually include knights coming from several lands and countries, as any other religious order. I strongly feel that this highly artificial division should be removed. But of course I'd like to hear the other contributors' opinions. Best regards. -- Arturolorioli ( talk) 22:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The article begins by stating that the first orders were the Templars, Hospitallers, etc., but later, in the chart of orders, the Order of the Holy Sepulchre is listed first. There is no primary evidence of this. Citations are needed for the bull of Paschal II, and I have serious concerns about the recognition of the 'Militi Sancti Sepulcri' that is claimed, especially since the plural of 'miles' is not 'militi' but 'milites'. No other primary source evidence is cited for this claim. What seems far more likely is that members of the later chivalric order misinterpreted the primary sources of the period to lend greater age and authority to their order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.80.128 ( talk) 02:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
milena 191.156.248.36 ( talk) 04:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Milena ovalle llinas 191.156.240.119 ( talk) 04:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | Text and/or other creative content from this version of Crusades was copied or moved into Military order (religious society) with this edit on 17:40, 01 October 2020. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
Added Knight's Templar flag. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 00:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
This article claims there were military orders within Eastern Orthodoxy, but never lists any. Am I missing something? Themill can't be bothered to sign in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 ( talk) 03:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Removed any references to Ortodoxy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.55.6.82 ( talk) 17:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Simply, somebody anonymous greatly changed article, without previous talking about it. Please use talk page before great changes. Yopie 02:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
or better name Knights of the Cross with the Red Star because this order is Czech, so official name is Czech Křižovnický řád rytířů s červenou hvězdou and there is not anything about "crusaders" or "military" (in fact, the Orders wasnt military). In Ackermann are names "Orden vom Kreuz mit dem rothern Stern" , in official pages [1] are many names in Latin as Canonici Regulares Sanctissimae Crucis a stella rubea, Crucigeri cum rubea stella, Crucigeri stellati, Stelliferi, Křížovníci s červenou hvězdou, Křížovníci. On other page of one church attached to the Order, himself is called Knights of the Cross with the Red Star (see [2])So, other test "Knights of the Cross.." 729 ghits, "Military orders.." 0 ghits. Be honest, I found one citation of this name in old Catholic Encyclopedia here, but this entry is full of incorrect fact. The Order wasn't in the Holy Land and was founded in Bohemia, so connotation to Crusaders is simply false. This Order is and was "military" only in pure ceremonial way, and it is mainly hospitaller order. --Yopie 02:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
<ref name="HistoriaRioja-EdadModerna">{{cita libro| apellidos = Hernández Lázaro | nombre = José Fermín | enlaceautor = | título = Historia de La Rioja. Edad Moderna - Edad Contemporánea. | año = 1983 | editorial = Caja de Ahorros de La Rioja| id = ISBN 84.7231-903-2|páginas= 52 |capítulo= Órdenes militares, divisas y linajes de La Rioja.}}</ref>
This page has the Hospitallers and the Knights of Malta listed separately, with different dates of founding... but the Knights of Malta aka Sovereign Military Order of Malta _are_ the Knights Hospitaller... they are the modern version of them. Why list them separately? Especially with different dates of founding? Leecharleswalker ( talk) 20:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
It's strange and misleading that "Orders of Chivalry" redirect to Military order and "Orders of chivalry" redirects to Chivalric order. -- 79.20.253.233 ( talk) 22:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
A list of requirements for an organization to be a true military order or various types of orders and the requirements for each type would be helpful,if I had not done further link clicking I would have been un aware that an order must have a fount of honor. If it doesn't it's a self styled order, self styled orders were mentioned but a full list of requirements would be a good addition to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlathropn ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Like a lot of historiography, the article assumes that military orders originated after the first crusade. But in a later section, it lists the Order of Saint James of Altopascio which was founded in 1070. To my knowledge, similar institutions existed in Spain, too. There is no doubt that the crusades helped the military orders to become important, but I would like to see a more detailed account in the article. -- Zz ( talk) 18:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
"Military order" has several other meanings in English like written military operations order or type of Military decoration like Order (honour). We need some sort of disambiguation. -- Jarekt ( talk) 13:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: withdrawn. I have opened a different move proposal below. Srnec ( talk) 12:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Military order (society) →
Military order – Recently moved without discussion from its longstanding title. –
Srnec (
talk)
21:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus to move the disambiguation page to the plain title, and consensus not to move Military order (society) to Military orders, per the discussion below. For the time being, also redirecting Military orders to Military order, although further discussion of the redirect might be advisable. Dekimasu よ! 21:21, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
– The primary usage of the plural form is the medieval monastic orders of knights, as Google Web, Scholar and Books search will show. The singular form does not have a primary usage, because there are many honours known named "Military Order of ..." and there are many references to this or that order from a military officer. There is very little written about military orders (in the latter sense) in general, and so the plural of the common noun does not compete with the medieval orders for primacy. Also, the medieval orders are limited in number: the military orders can be precisely enumerated. Srnec ( talk) 12:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
How popular have such views become? Indeed, what are "such views" (as opposed to the specific stated view)? Who are these others that have criticized it? Is the "suggestion" that there were no ribats around there supported by evidence, or just their own speculation? Iapetus ( talk) 14:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Reasonable arguments from both sides, votes roughly splits. Jenks24 ( talk) 04:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Military order (monastic society) →
Military order – Replacing the current
Military order with
Military order (disambiguation).
Chicbyaccident (
talk) 13:03, 12 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted.
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
16:37, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Military order (monastic society)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Davies":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:19, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm a bit puzzled by the distinction between "International" and "National" orders. Many, if not most, of the orders listed as National did actually include knights coming from several lands and countries, as any other religious order. I strongly feel that this highly artificial division should be removed. But of course I'd like to hear the other contributors' opinions. Best regards. -- Arturolorioli ( talk) 22:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The article begins by stating that the first orders were the Templars, Hospitallers, etc., but later, in the chart of orders, the Order of the Holy Sepulchre is listed first. There is no primary evidence of this. Citations are needed for the bull of Paschal II, and I have serious concerns about the recognition of the 'Militi Sancti Sepulcri' that is claimed, especially since the plural of 'miles' is not 'militi' but 'milites'. No other primary source evidence is cited for this claim. What seems far more likely is that members of the later chivalric order misinterpreted the primary sources of the period to lend greater age and authority to their order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.65.80.128 ( talk) 02:59, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
milena 191.156.248.36 ( talk) 04:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Milena ovalle llinas 191.156.240.119 ( talk) 04:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)