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As a Professor of History [Emeritus] Century College in Minnesota, Edwin M. Nakasone's The Nisei Soldier shares Historical Essays on World War 2 and the Korean War within its 4th Edition əreleased during 2012. This paperback book is dedicated to his four generation family ... "May they continue to remember and reflect upon their proud heritage." It includes biogeographical references.
-- EarthSea-Keeper ( talk) 20:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
There have been a series of poorly written and questionable edits made from various anon IPs recently. Besides the fact that every single sentence of these edits contain elementary errors in English, there are some questions of what the editor is trying to infer, questions of source reliability, questions about the extraction of source information, and even if there is valid content there would be undue weight issues.
I would like to hear from other regular editors whether they think there is anything worth salvaging from these recent edits.
— Myasuda ( talk) 14:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
1 静岡県立大学国際関係学部教授 前坂俊之 日本メディア検閲史(下) http://maesaka-toshiyuki.com/detail/72
"02 GHQ の検閲基準"
"米兵の暴行事件"=G.I.s Crime(暴行事件= murder, rape, etc)
2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan
Rape during the occupation of Japan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.41.156.58 (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
CCD(Civil Censorship Detachment)
http://www.lib.umd.edu/prange/html/ccd.jsp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.41.156.58 (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
MIS ( MILITARY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE) and Civil Censorship Detachment (CCD) http://www.goforbroke.org/history/history_historical_veterans_mis.asp
" and the use of the word "tortured" is not clearly supported by the Japanese-language source as far as I can tell."
"軍政府内の住民用尋問室で日系人通訳に暴力を振るわれながら尋問された後"
"暴力" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.175.79.58 ( talk) 04:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
1 the Okinawa Report is based on official documents from the U.S. Government.
2 The American literature also admitted that G.I.s crime and banned in japan.
3 I Am Not Japanese — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.175.96.153 ( talk) 17:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II by John W. Dower published by W. W. Norton & Company in 1999
http://www.lib.umd.edu/prange/html/introduction.jsp
http://www.goforbroke.org/history/history_historical_veterans_mis.asp
http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~roehner/ocj.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.55.108.76 ( talk) 03:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
2 John W. Dower mentions the Civil Censorship Detachment and “journalists were banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime”. This work belongs to the mis nisei. nisei acted as a whistleblower role.
3 the Okinawa torture Report is based on official documents from the U.S. Government. Although This news from the japan newspaper“Okinawa news”.
http://b.hatena.ne.jp/entry/ryukyushimpo.jp/news/storyid-8595-storytopic-1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.87.64.200 ( talk) 18:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
2 Say it again,the Okinawa torture Report is based on official documents from the U.S. Government. Although This news from the japan newspaper“Okinawa news”.
Report Summary: Some nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians. Thereafter these civilians were handed over to a U.S. Lieutenant. Some civilians were shot. It happened in June 24, 1945. us army made a report on the matter.A Okinawa professor found the report in 2005.
If you don't understand Japanese, please ask Myasuda ( talk ).Myasuda is an Japanese Americans.Or ask me. I am not Japanese, but I can read japanese.
3 the U.S. Government document is not anti-American(or anti-Nisei) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.41.156.108 ( talk) 04:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
2 These US army documents is a Okinawa professor found and published. "Okinawa news" is a credible newspaper. If you doubt, please give your reasons. Or you can directly ask the newspaper.
3 "A" can prove to "B", but you say that "A" can not prove "C". Your logic is very confused.It can't prove you are neutral. Myasuda is an Japanese Americans."nisei soldiers" are Japanese Americans.He is a neutral?
59.63.155.110 (
talk)
04:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
2 "nor prove there was censorship of stories about torture ".This is wrong. As mentioned before, The CCD eventually banned a total of 31 topics from all forms of media,Press banned from reporting G.I.s Crime (rape、Murder etc). If you want to know, and I can tell you: The United States Army even confiscated Japanese police files.It is the United States soldier's criminal record(I have seen these files photos).
3 You are on the "Okinawa news" all doubt, only your personal opinion. I still suggest you go directly questioned the newspaper or Okinawa Professor. The professor's name is "保坂廣志".the University of Okinawa.He can provide the source of the document.Maybe you can let Myasuda acts as a Japanese Translator.
4 If you are interested, you can modify these articles.
220.177.136.251 ( talk) 02:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
"during the occupation of Japan, through the formation of such organizations as the Civil Censorship Detachment (CCD), MIS linguists played an important role in News blackout. Between 1945 and 1949, the CCD nisei soldiers was responsible for reviewing all Japanese publications. The CCD eventually banned a total of 31 topics from all forms of media.journalists were banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime. Children's books are no exception."
This text does not mention "torture" or "Okinawa". This text mention only "Censorship" and "banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime". These things happen in "occupied japan"."Between 1945 and 1949".
"Censorship in general (which I already agreed was happening)","The United States Army even confiscated Japanese police files.It is the United States soldier's criminal record" I don't doubt it."
you already agree.You don't doubt.Thx. Say it again," News blackout" and "Okinawa torture" are two different things.
2 "I don't doubt it(The United States Army confiscated the G.I.S criminal record). Again, that didn't apply outside Japan". Unfortunately, The United States newspaper Not reported these files.
3 "The U.S. military has had some serious issues of bad relations on Okinawa in the last 20yr". Not in “the last 20yr”, but in “the last 67yr”. Please see
"3 Dead Marines and a Secret of Wartime Okinawa""thinking they were the three black marines who the villagers believed had repeatedly come to the village to rape the village women." New York Times, June 1, 2000. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/01/world/3-dead-marines-and-a-secret-of-wartime-okinawa.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
"In Okinawa, US troops are estimated to have raped 10,000 Japanese women during World War II." http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33653
During the battle of Okinawa and after the war, US Army and Marines has committed many crimes against Okinawan civilians. American newspapers in the vast majority of cases remain silent.
the result is "The U.S. military has had some serious issues of bad relations on Okinawa".
"Some nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians". This is only one of the numerous atrocities committed by US Army.
You doubt without proof. 59.55.145.108 ( talk) 02:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I really mean it.Please see
"during the occupation of Japan, through the formation of such organizations as the Civil Censorship Detachment (CCD), MIS linguists played an important role in News blackout. Between 1945 and 1949, the CCD nisei soldiers was responsible for reviewing all Japanese publications. The CCD eventually banned a total of 31 topics from all forms of media.journalists were banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime. Children's books are no exception."
There are 'torture' or 'Okinawa'?
'torture' and 'Okinawa' in another text. two different things.Please separate the discussion.
2 ""During the battle of Okinawa and after the war, US Army and Marines has committed many crimes against Okinawan civilians" Prove it."
Schrijvers, Peter (2002). The GI war against Japan : American soldiers in Asia and the Pacific during World War II. New York: New York University Press. p. 212: "the three-month period of the Okinawa campaign exceeds 10,000 rapes of Japanese women by American soldiers"
Feifer, George (2001). The Battle of Okinawa : the blood and the bomb. Guilford, CT: Lyons Press "thousands of rapes were committed in the Okinawa north".
Koikari, Mire (1999). "Rethinking Gender and Power in the US Occupation of Japan, 1945–1952". Gender & History (Blackwell Publishing)
http://www.alternet.org/world/40481/?page=2 "So many military rapes have occurred in Okinawa, Korea, and the Philippines that Asian feminists organized entire movements in protest."
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/04/world/rape-trial-in-okinawa-reopens-for-3-gi-s.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7256056.stm
http://usmvaw.com/okinawa-and-japan/
3 “Okinawa news” prove that “nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians.”(based on US army documents ).If you think “Okinawa news” cannot be trusted, then you need to prove your doubts. 59.55.145.108 ( talk) 05:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
1 the "nisei Torture" is based on official documents from the U.S. army.
2 The story has a specific time and detailed process.based on 30 American soldiers Testify.
3 As mentioned before.During the battle of Okinawa,US Army and Marines has committed many crimes against Okinawan civilians. the "nisei Torture" is not an isolated incident.
4 The United States of America has a Consulate General in Okinawa.The United States Marine Corps has a division in Okinawa.They also read The "Okinawa news"(This is a basic duty of the diplomat). They have no doubt and protest "nisei Torture Report".
5 The "Okinawa news" is a credible newspaper.
6 "保坂廣志" is a scholar, have credibility. 115.148.147.244 ( talk) 04:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
” Some nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians. Thereafter these civilians were handed over to a U.S. Lieutenant. Some civilians were shot. It happened in June 24, 1945“ 。
“1945年6月24日、米第10軍第27歩兵師団”(June 24, 1945,U.S. 10th Army 27th Infantry Division )and ”日系人通訳“(nisei mis Translators soldiers).
”日系人通訳“(nisei mis Translators soldiers)used violence to torture Okinawan civilians.Thereafter these civilians were handed over to a U.S. Lieutenant(U.S. 10th Army 27th Infantry Division ). Some civilians were shot. It happened in June 24, 1945.
Source:『琉球新報』2005年11月18日(”Okinawa news November“ 18, 2005)
base on:米公文書 (Archives of the United States)
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So I was reading about Ex parte Endo, saw the thing about Endo's brother being in the army, and I wondered what he actually did there. I found [ [1]], which on its face indicates that Kunio Endo was in MIS (which makes sense). Should he be added to the veterans list? Kunio isn't notable himself, but since his sister is extremely notable, maybe that's good enough. If so, is this source good enough? It appears to be contradicted by [ [2]], which says that Kunio was in the 442nd, which according to 77th Sustainment Brigade was not at all connected to the 77th Infantry in WWII (although maybe someone who knows more about military stuff can explain this). Normally, WaPo would trump the Discover Nikkei DB thing in terms of RS-ness, but I just don't trust WaPo here; it's such a side note that I could totally imagine a journalist saying "I mean, what did Japanese-American soldiers even do in WWII? What, the 442nd? Yeah, that sounds good, let's just go with it. Who cares?"
Also, I'm almost certain the person referred to in the DB entry can't be a different Kunio, but am omitting that argument. Dingsuntil ( talk) 07:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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As a Professor of History [Emeritus] Century College in Minnesota, Edwin M. Nakasone's The Nisei Soldier shares Historical Essays on World War 2 and the Korean War within its 4th Edition əreleased during 2012. This paperback book is dedicated to his four generation family ... "May they continue to remember and reflect upon their proud heritage." It includes biogeographical references.
-- EarthSea-Keeper ( talk) 20:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
There have been a series of poorly written and questionable edits made from various anon IPs recently. Besides the fact that every single sentence of these edits contain elementary errors in English, there are some questions of what the editor is trying to infer, questions of source reliability, questions about the extraction of source information, and even if there is valid content there would be undue weight issues.
I would like to hear from other regular editors whether they think there is anything worth salvaging from these recent edits.
— Myasuda ( talk) 14:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
1 静岡県立大学国際関係学部教授 前坂俊之 日本メディア検閲史(下) http://maesaka-toshiyuki.com/detail/72
"02 GHQ の検閲基準"
"米兵の暴行事件"=G.I.s Crime(暴行事件= murder, rape, etc)
2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan
Rape during the occupation of Japan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.41.156.58 (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
CCD(Civil Censorship Detachment)
http://www.lib.umd.edu/prange/html/ccd.jsp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.41.156.58 (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
MIS ( MILITARY INTELLIGENCE SERVICE) and Civil Censorship Detachment (CCD) http://www.goforbroke.org/history/history_historical_veterans_mis.asp
" and the use of the word "tortured" is not clearly supported by the Japanese-language source as far as I can tell."
"軍政府内の住民用尋問室で日系人通訳に暴力を振るわれながら尋問された後"
"暴力" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.175.79.58 ( talk) 04:51, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
1 the Okinawa Report is based on official documents from the U.S. Government.
2 The American literature also admitted that G.I.s crime and banned in japan.
3 I Am Not Japanese — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.175.96.153 ( talk) 17:19, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II by John W. Dower published by W. W. Norton & Company in 1999
http://www.lib.umd.edu/prange/html/introduction.jsp
http://www.goforbroke.org/history/history_historical_veterans_mis.asp
http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~roehner/ocj.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.55.108.76 ( talk) 03:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
2 John W. Dower mentions the Civil Censorship Detachment and “journalists were banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime”. This work belongs to the mis nisei. nisei acted as a whistleblower role.
3 the Okinawa torture Report is based on official documents from the U.S. Government. Although This news from the japan newspaper“Okinawa news”.
http://b.hatena.ne.jp/entry/ryukyushimpo.jp/news/storyid-8595-storytopic-1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.87.64.200 ( talk) 18:56, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
2 Say it again,the Okinawa torture Report is based on official documents from the U.S. Government. Although This news from the japan newspaper“Okinawa news”.
Report Summary: Some nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians. Thereafter these civilians were handed over to a U.S. Lieutenant. Some civilians were shot. It happened in June 24, 1945. us army made a report on the matter.A Okinawa professor found the report in 2005.
If you don't understand Japanese, please ask Myasuda ( talk ).Myasuda is an Japanese Americans.Or ask me. I am not Japanese, but I can read japanese.
3 the U.S. Government document is not anti-American(or anti-Nisei) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.41.156.108 ( talk) 04:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
2 These US army documents is a Okinawa professor found and published. "Okinawa news" is a credible newspaper. If you doubt, please give your reasons. Or you can directly ask the newspaper.
3 "A" can prove to "B", but you say that "A" can not prove "C". Your logic is very confused.It can't prove you are neutral. Myasuda is an Japanese Americans."nisei soldiers" are Japanese Americans.He is a neutral?
59.63.155.110 (
talk)
04:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
2 "nor prove there was censorship of stories about torture ".This is wrong. As mentioned before, The CCD eventually banned a total of 31 topics from all forms of media,Press banned from reporting G.I.s Crime (rape、Murder etc). If you want to know, and I can tell you: The United States Army even confiscated Japanese police files.It is the United States soldier's criminal record(I have seen these files photos).
3 You are on the "Okinawa news" all doubt, only your personal opinion. I still suggest you go directly questioned the newspaper or Okinawa Professor. The professor's name is "保坂廣志".the University of Okinawa.He can provide the source of the document.Maybe you can let Myasuda acts as a Japanese Translator.
4 If you are interested, you can modify these articles.
220.177.136.251 ( talk) 02:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
"during the occupation of Japan, through the formation of such organizations as the Civil Censorship Detachment (CCD), MIS linguists played an important role in News blackout. Between 1945 and 1949, the CCD nisei soldiers was responsible for reviewing all Japanese publications. The CCD eventually banned a total of 31 topics from all forms of media.journalists were banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime. Children's books are no exception."
This text does not mention "torture" or "Okinawa". This text mention only "Censorship" and "banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime". These things happen in "occupied japan"."Between 1945 and 1949".
"Censorship in general (which I already agreed was happening)","The United States Army even confiscated Japanese police files.It is the United States soldier's criminal record" I don't doubt it."
you already agree.You don't doubt.Thx. Say it again," News blackout" and "Okinawa torture" are two different things.
2 "I don't doubt it(The United States Army confiscated the G.I.S criminal record). Again, that didn't apply outside Japan". Unfortunately, The United States newspaper Not reported these files.
3 "The U.S. military has had some serious issues of bad relations on Okinawa in the last 20yr". Not in “the last 20yr”, but in “the last 67yr”. Please see
"3 Dead Marines and a Secret of Wartime Okinawa""thinking they were the three black marines who the villagers believed had repeatedly come to the village to rape the village women." New York Times, June 1, 2000. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/06/01/world/3-dead-marines-and-a-secret-of-wartime-okinawa.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
"In Okinawa, US troops are estimated to have raped 10,000 Japanese women during World War II." http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33653
During the battle of Okinawa and after the war, US Army and Marines has committed many crimes against Okinawan civilians. American newspapers in the vast majority of cases remain silent.
the result is "The U.S. military has had some serious issues of bad relations on Okinawa".
"Some nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians". This is only one of the numerous atrocities committed by US Army.
You doubt without proof. 59.55.145.108 ( talk) 02:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
I really mean it.Please see
"during the occupation of Japan, through the formation of such organizations as the Civil Censorship Detachment (CCD), MIS linguists played an important role in News blackout. Between 1945 and 1949, the CCD nisei soldiers was responsible for reviewing all Japanese publications. The CCD eventually banned a total of 31 topics from all forms of media.journalists were banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime. Children's books are no exception."
There are 'torture' or 'Okinawa'?
'torture' and 'Okinawa' in another text. two different things.Please separate the discussion.
2 ""During the battle of Okinawa and after the war, US Army and Marines has committed many crimes against Okinawan civilians" Prove it."
Schrijvers, Peter (2002). The GI war against Japan : American soldiers in Asia and the Pacific during World War II. New York: New York University Press. p. 212: "the three-month period of the Okinawa campaign exceeds 10,000 rapes of Japanese women by American soldiers"
Feifer, George (2001). The Battle of Okinawa : the blood and the bomb. Guilford, CT: Lyons Press "thousands of rapes were committed in the Okinawa north".
Koikari, Mire (1999). "Rethinking Gender and Power in the US Occupation of Japan, 1945–1952". Gender & History (Blackwell Publishing)
http://www.alternet.org/world/40481/?page=2 "So many military rapes have occurred in Okinawa, Korea, and the Philippines that Asian feminists organized entire movements in protest."
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/04/world/rape-trial-in-okinawa-reopens-for-3-gi-s.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7256056.stm
http://usmvaw.com/okinawa-and-japan/
3 “Okinawa news” prove that “nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians.”(based on US army documents ).If you think “Okinawa news” cannot be trusted, then you need to prove your doubts. 59.55.145.108 ( talk) 05:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
1 the "nisei Torture" is based on official documents from the U.S. army.
2 The story has a specific time and detailed process.based on 30 American soldiers Testify.
3 As mentioned before.During the battle of Okinawa,US Army and Marines has committed many crimes against Okinawan civilians. the "nisei Torture" is not an isolated incident.
4 The United States of America has a Consulate General in Okinawa.The United States Marine Corps has a division in Okinawa.They also read The "Okinawa news"(This is a basic duty of the diplomat). They have no doubt and protest "nisei Torture Report".
5 The "Okinawa news" is a credible newspaper.
6 "保坂廣志" is a scholar, have credibility. 115.148.147.244 ( talk) 04:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
” Some nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians. Thereafter these civilians were handed over to a U.S. Lieutenant. Some civilians were shot. It happened in June 24, 1945“ 。
“1945年6月24日、米第10軍第27歩兵師団”(June 24, 1945,U.S. 10th Army 27th Infantry Division )and ”日系人通訳“(nisei mis Translators soldiers).
”日系人通訳“(nisei mis Translators soldiers)used violence to torture Okinawan civilians.Thereafter these civilians were handed over to a U.S. Lieutenant(U.S. 10th Army 27th Infantry Division ). Some civilians were shot. It happened in June 24, 1945.
Source:『琉球新報』2005年11月18日(”Okinawa news November“ 18, 2005)
base on:米公文書 (Archives of the United States)
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So I was reading about Ex parte Endo, saw the thing about Endo's brother being in the army, and I wondered what he actually did there. I found [ [1]], which on its face indicates that Kunio Endo was in MIS (which makes sense). Should he be added to the veterans list? Kunio isn't notable himself, but since his sister is extremely notable, maybe that's good enough. If so, is this source good enough? It appears to be contradicted by [ [2]], which says that Kunio was in the 442nd, which according to 77th Sustainment Brigade was not at all connected to the 77th Infantry in WWII (although maybe someone who knows more about military stuff can explain this). Normally, WaPo would trump the Discover Nikkei DB thing in terms of RS-ness, but I just don't trust WaPo here; it's such a side note that I could totally imagine a journalist saying "I mean, what did Japanese-American soldiers even do in WWII? What, the 442nd? Yeah, that sounds good, let's just go with it. Who cares?"
Also, I'm almost certain the person referred to in the DB entry can't be a different Kunio, but am omitting that argument. Dingsuntil ( talk) 07:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)