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"However, it has been reported that partly this style is related to an unusual rule for moving knights in that region, where they are unable to move backwards, only forwards; this forces unusual strategies on players." As far as I understand the article in reference was a joke and there is no evidence that Tal used to play by such rules. I think the sentence is misleading. ( 193.68.74.52 14:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC))
Someone replaces the fair-use high quality photo of Tal with a free and ugly photo of Tal's wax statue and states that "if you have a free pic you can't use a fair use pic". But I think that this is an article about Tal and not about wax work. I think that the "free pic" rationale therefore cannot be used. But I am not an expert in copyright law. What do you think about it?-- Ioannes Pragensis 17:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
If someone's interested in adding it here, here's a photograph I took of his grave a few days ago:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/?title=Image:Mikhailtalgrave.jpg —Preceding
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Have'nt you noticed that that the first photo (from Susans blog) is turned the WRONG WAY! Look at his fingers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.239.72 ( talk) 06:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the first picture and the one where he is in the hospital with Fischer, I believe he had a malformation in his right hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.59.171.15 ( talk) 04:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Out of respect for Tal, a different picture should be used that doesn't show his badly formed hand. There are many great photos of him and he was a brilliant player who deserves a better picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.89.10 ( talk) 21:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree that a different picture should be located and used at the soonest opportunity, and I am certain that all lovers of Tal would agree. — Preceding
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Please, remove the bad picture. Chvsanchez ( talk) 04:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
This section says "Tal's victory was attributed to his dominance over the lower half of the field." I find this a little dubious: Tal had a minus against Keres, but scored better than Keres against everyone else, including Petrosian and Smyslov. Philcha ( talk) 22:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello. There is 27/06/92 as date of death on his grave... All of the Wikies tell that he died on 28/06/92. Who is right? Regards pjahr ( talk) 14:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the more representational transliteration of "Koblents" (vs. "Koblencs"). His own Wikipedia entry is under Koblencs, however. Which I also agree with because it's more faithful to the original and can't we all just learn a little Hungarian for gosh sakes?? I fixed the link by directing it to Koblencs, and it's up to someone else to tackle the spelling in his entry. Eleven even ( talk) 21:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I've often seen Tal referred to as "Misha". Is that a common form of Mikhail or is it specific to Tal? If the latter, it should be mentioned in the article. Bubba73 (talk), 05:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
But his friend and fellow Soviet grandmaster Genna Sosonko reported that "in reality, all his organs had stopped functioning."[11]
The above quote is not given in the linked reference. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20061128/ai_n16873075 ChessCreator ( talk) 02:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little suspicious of the article cited above i.e. this one. [1] The author Dominic Lawson is a well known journalist so he qualifies as a WP:RS, but has no qualifications when it comes to chess and there are countless examples of the media making errors in chess articles. There is at least one blatant error in the article: it says chess has up to 10**128 possible positions, but the actual number is far lower (since each square has 13 possibilities, it can't be much more than 13**64 = 10**71 (roughly)) and he appears to have confused this with the number of possible chess games which can be played (see Shannon number). Given that he hasn't double-checked that detail, I think I'm entitled to be just a little skeptical of the Tal part of the article. He clearly spoke to Gennadi Sosonko, but I wonder whether some embellishment occured somewhere along the way. In other words, if the only source for claims is the Lawson article, perhaps we should tread with caution. Peter Ballard ( talk) 01:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps I can clear this one up. It may be that Lawson is indeed quoting Sosonko who wrote as follows: ".. on 28th of June 1992, Misha Tal died in hospital in Moscow. The official cause of death was given as haemorrhage of the oesophagus, but effectively his entire organism had ceased to function." This was been published in a book by Sosonko published by New In Chess entitled Russian Silhouettes. I believe (but may be wrong) that the articles collated into that book were previously published in the issues of the magazine/yearbook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhc ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The Hastings 1973 drinking the bar dry of brandy bit is taken directly from reference 11 (Dominic Lawson, Why artificial intelligence is never enough) although it wasn't cited inline at that point. I didn't add the sentence or the reference to the article. I have to say it sounds apocryphal to me so I don't object to its removal, but I thought it should be pointed out that it wasn't a complete fabrication by whoever put it in the article. I think the organ failure quote attributed to Sosonko is a worse problem unless it can be referenced. Quale ( talk) 07:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know, Tal has beaten Anatoly Karpov at least once (the famous game featuring the Rxe6! exchange sacrifice).The internet database chessgames.com shows a 2-1 record against Karpov instead of the 1-0 record mentioned here, that's in Karpov's favour.Needless to say, if one of the records provided in this entry is inaccurate, other ones might seem dubious as well.So, those of you fellows with reliable game databases: please take a look at the entire records listed here.And be carefull about this: some of these games might have been blitz or rapidplay; they don't count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derakht ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
His first wife, actress and singer Salli Landau, described Tal's personality:
Misha was so ill-equipped for living... When he travelled to a tournament, he couldn't even pack his own suitcase... He didn't even know how to turn on the gas for cooking. If I had a headache, and there happened to be no one home but him, he would fall into a panic: "How do I make a hot-water bottle?" And when I got behind the wheel of a car, he would look at me as though I were a visitor from another planet. Of course, if he had made some effort, he could have learned all of this. But it was all boring to him. He just didn't need to. A lot of people have said that if Tal had looked after his health, if he hadn't led such a dissolute life... and so forth. But with people like Tal, the idea of "if only" is just absurd. He wouldn't have been Tal then.
I think he had the soul of an actor. There was a reason why he always loved appearing as master-of-ceremonies. He needed an audience. He couldn't play without one - people inspired him.
I can't imagine him without a cigarette in his mouth - he'd smoke five packs a game! He never needed a lighter - he'd finish one, and light the next one from it. Most of his illnesses were inherited. When it came time for us to marry, a doctor from the Riga Special Clinic, where Dr. Nehemiah Tal once worked, told me that I shouldn't marry a man with that kind of health. He was always ill. And in the last years of his life, all his illnesses got worse. There were three whole years in which his temperature simply never went down. I have no idea how a man playing with a constant temperature of 38-39 degrees could become World Blitz Champion in 1988! And on May 28, 1992, at the Moscow blitz tournament, he became the only player to defeat Kasparov. I'm told he even left the hospital to play. The strongest chess-player in the world still lost to a dying Tal.
He was an unusual man. I miss him terribly. Sometimes I think that Misha flew in from another planet - just to play chess, and then fly home. He was asked once how he would categorize chess - is it a sport, or an art? He was simply exasperated: how can you call chess a sport? I don't know much about it myself - but they did call Tal the Mozart of chess. And he was a genial sort in real life, too. He was kind, cheerful, and never had a bad word to say about anyone. [1]
I removed the above quote from the article because quotes of such length are against policy. A summary of the quote can be written and placed in the article. And it might be nice to add other details about his personality that don't come from Salli Landau. Kingturtle = ( talk) 13:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
References
"Every game, he once said, was as inimitable and invaluable as a poem." Is this a reference to every game of chess, or all of his games? Toccata quarta ( talk) 07:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Note: I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting this discussion from Quale's talk page because I think it belongs here. MaxBrowne ( talk) 00:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello quale, firstly, sorry for my english, im not a native speaker. you reverted my edit in this article - and I don't agree with you. footnotes are not for every fact - only for statistics, controversial facts, ciation of a research, quotes etc etc. I can give you lots of links that support it - [2], [3] and more and more. therefore, i've recanceld. good day, Yoav Nachtailer ( talk) 16:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
This includes interviews with Salli Landau and others. Some potentially useful material there, if anyone speaks Russian. MaxBrowne ( talk) 01:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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Why is Таль, with the palatal sign, transcribed [taɫ], with the dark l? — Tamfang ( talk) 07:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how (+5 -6 =10) is difficult to understand for an average reader. Anyone reading this article is probably interested in chess to some extent. The information is absorbed faster than when spelling out the numbers in letters. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 01:31, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
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"However, it has been reported that partly this style is related to an unusual rule for moving knights in that region, where they are unable to move backwards, only forwards; this forces unusual strategies on players." As far as I understand the article in reference was a joke and there is no evidence that Tal used to play by such rules. I think the sentence is misleading. ( 193.68.74.52 14:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC))
Someone replaces the fair-use high quality photo of Tal with a free and ugly photo of Tal's wax statue and states that "if you have a free pic you can't use a fair use pic". But I think that this is an article about Tal and not about wax work. I think that the "free pic" rationale therefore cannot be used. But I am not an expert in copyright law. What do you think about it?-- Ioannes Pragensis 17:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
If someone's interested in adding it here, here's a photograph I took of his grave a few days ago:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/?title=Image:Mikhailtalgrave.jpg —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Unlikelylads (
talk •
contribs)
18:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Have'nt you noticed that that the first photo (from Susans blog) is turned the WRONG WAY! Look at his fingers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.239.72 ( talk) 06:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the first picture and the one where he is in the hospital with Fischer, I believe he had a malformation in his right hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.59.171.15 ( talk) 04:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Out of respect for Tal, a different picture should be used that doesn't show his badly formed hand. There are many great photos of him and he was a brilliant player who deserves a better picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.89.10 ( talk) 21:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree that a different picture should be located and used at the soonest opportunity, and I am certain that all lovers of Tal would agree. — Preceding
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89.204.188.22 (
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12:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Please, remove the bad picture. Chvsanchez ( talk) 04:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
This section says "Tal's victory was attributed to his dominance over the lower half of the field." I find this a little dubious: Tal had a minus against Keres, but scored better than Keres against everyone else, including Petrosian and Smyslov. Philcha ( talk) 22:15, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello. There is 27/06/92 as date of death on his grave... All of the Wikies tell that he died on 28/06/92. Who is right? Regards pjahr ( talk) 14:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the more representational transliteration of "Koblents" (vs. "Koblencs"). His own Wikipedia entry is under Koblencs, however. Which I also agree with because it's more faithful to the original and can't we all just learn a little Hungarian for gosh sakes?? I fixed the link by directing it to Koblencs, and it's up to someone else to tackle the spelling in his entry. Eleven even ( talk) 21:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I've often seen Tal referred to as "Misha". Is that a common form of Mikhail or is it specific to Tal? If the latter, it should be mentioned in the article. Bubba73 (talk), 05:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
But his friend and fellow Soviet grandmaster Genna Sosonko reported that "in reality, all his organs had stopped functioning."[11]
The above quote is not given in the linked reference. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20061128/ai_n16873075 ChessCreator ( talk) 02:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm a little suspicious of the article cited above i.e. this one. [1] The author Dominic Lawson is a well known journalist so he qualifies as a WP:RS, but has no qualifications when it comes to chess and there are countless examples of the media making errors in chess articles. There is at least one blatant error in the article: it says chess has up to 10**128 possible positions, but the actual number is far lower (since each square has 13 possibilities, it can't be much more than 13**64 = 10**71 (roughly)) and he appears to have confused this with the number of possible chess games which can be played (see Shannon number). Given that he hasn't double-checked that detail, I think I'm entitled to be just a little skeptical of the Tal part of the article. He clearly spoke to Gennadi Sosonko, but I wonder whether some embellishment occured somewhere along the way. In other words, if the only source for claims is the Lawson article, perhaps we should tread with caution. Peter Ballard ( talk) 01:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps I can clear this one up. It may be that Lawson is indeed quoting Sosonko who wrote as follows: ".. on 28th of June 1992, Misha Tal died in hospital in Moscow. The official cause of death was given as haemorrhage of the oesophagus, but effectively his entire organism had ceased to function." This was been published in a book by Sosonko published by New In Chess entitled Russian Silhouettes. I believe (but may be wrong) that the articles collated into that book were previously published in the issues of the magazine/yearbook. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akhc ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
The Hastings 1973 drinking the bar dry of brandy bit is taken directly from reference 11 (Dominic Lawson, Why artificial intelligence is never enough) although it wasn't cited inline at that point. I didn't add the sentence or the reference to the article. I have to say it sounds apocryphal to me so I don't object to its removal, but I thought it should be pointed out that it wasn't a complete fabrication by whoever put it in the article. I think the organ failure quote attributed to Sosonko is a worse problem unless it can be referenced. Quale ( talk) 07:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know, Tal has beaten Anatoly Karpov at least once (the famous game featuring the Rxe6! exchange sacrifice).The internet database chessgames.com shows a 2-1 record against Karpov instead of the 1-0 record mentioned here, that's in Karpov's favour.Needless to say, if one of the records provided in this entry is inaccurate, other ones might seem dubious as well.So, those of you fellows with reliable game databases: please take a look at the entire records listed here.And be carefull about this: some of these games might have been blitz or rapidplay; they don't count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derakht ( talk • contribs) 21:37, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
His first wife, actress and singer Salli Landau, described Tal's personality:
Misha was so ill-equipped for living... When he travelled to a tournament, he couldn't even pack his own suitcase... He didn't even know how to turn on the gas for cooking. If I had a headache, and there happened to be no one home but him, he would fall into a panic: "How do I make a hot-water bottle?" And when I got behind the wheel of a car, he would look at me as though I were a visitor from another planet. Of course, if he had made some effort, he could have learned all of this. But it was all boring to him. He just didn't need to. A lot of people have said that if Tal had looked after his health, if he hadn't led such a dissolute life... and so forth. But with people like Tal, the idea of "if only" is just absurd. He wouldn't have been Tal then.
I think he had the soul of an actor. There was a reason why he always loved appearing as master-of-ceremonies. He needed an audience. He couldn't play without one - people inspired him.
I can't imagine him without a cigarette in his mouth - he'd smoke five packs a game! He never needed a lighter - he'd finish one, and light the next one from it. Most of his illnesses were inherited. When it came time for us to marry, a doctor from the Riga Special Clinic, where Dr. Nehemiah Tal once worked, told me that I shouldn't marry a man with that kind of health. He was always ill. And in the last years of his life, all his illnesses got worse. There were three whole years in which his temperature simply never went down. I have no idea how a man playing with a constant temperature of 38-39 degrees could become World Blitz Champion in 1988! And on May 28, 1992, at the Moscow blitz tournament, he became the only player to defeat Kasparov. I'm told he even left the hospital to play. The strongest chess-player in the world still lost to a dying Tal.
He was an unusual man. I miss him terribly. Sometimes I think that Misha flew in from another planet - just to play chess, and then fly home. He was asked once how he would categorize chess - is it a sport, or an art? He was simply exasperated: how can you call chess a sport? I don't know much about it myself - but they did call Tal the Mozart of chess. And he was a genial sort in real life, too. He was kind, cheerful, and never had a bad word to say about anyone. [1]
I removed the above quote from the article because quotes of such length are against policy. A summary of the quote can be written and placed in the article. And it might be nice to add other details about his personality that don't come from Salli Landau. Kingturtle = ( talk) 13:10, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
References
"Every game, he once said, was as inimitable and invaluable as a poem." Is this a reference to every game of chess, or all of his games? Toccata quarta ( talk) 07:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Note: I have taken the liberty of cutting and pasting this discussion from Quale's talk page because I think it belongs here. MaxBrowne ( talk) 00:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello quale, firstly, sorry for my english, im not a native speaker. you reverted my edit in this article - and I don't agree with you. footnotes are not for every fact - only for statistics, controversial facts, ciation of a research, quotes etc etc. I can give you lots of links that support it - [2], [3] and more and more. therefore, i've recanceld. good day, Yoav Nachtailer ( talk) 16:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
This includes interviews with Salli Landau and others. Some potentially useful material there, if anyone speaks Russian. MaxBrowne ( talk) 01:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
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Why is Таль, with the palatal sign, transcribed [taɫ], with the dark l? — Tamfang ( talk) 07:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how (+5 -6 =10) is difficult to understand for an average reader. Anyone reading this article is probably interested in chess to some extent. The information is absorbed faster than when spelling out the numbers in letters. MaxBrowne2 ( talk) 01:31, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
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@ Ps103ankit: since this photo is allegedly from 1959, how can it be your own work? It is important that Wikipedia not use photographs unless the real copyright owner (if any) has given permission. Bruce leverett ( talk) 18:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Article shortened and made less informative, I would argue unnecessarily, with this deletion Knot Lad ( talk) 12:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)