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Tagging for conflict of interest because the editor who initially started the article styled their user name after the cartoonist and all previous edits were done by an IP address that has only made edits about this cartoonist. (If you are the same person, please read up on the COI section here on Wikipedia!) As for whether or not this article passes notability guidelines, I haven't investigated that yet. I just wanted to tag this so someone could do further looking into this as well for notability as well as neutrality. It doesn't appear to be that bad, but I want to make my concerns voiced. (See WP:COI, WP:ARTIST, WP:GNG, WP:RP) Tokyogirl79 ( talk) 20:28, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Tokyogirl79
Just wanted to drop a note here to explain why I removed so many sources. The reason behind this is that none of the links I removed are usable as reliable sources that show notability. For example, I removed an interview by a small comic book shop, the reason being in that it isn't considered to be something that is both reliable and notable enough of a source per Wikipedia standards. It's not only done by a merchant (who would have an interest in showing Riley off in the best light possible since they want people to buy his stuff), but it's also the equivalent of a blog and blogs cannot be used unless they're by someone considered an absolute authority, meaning that it'd have to be done by one of the chief editors at Dark Horse, Stan Lee, or the ALA. The majority of blogs do not fall under this requirement. Other sources I removed were considered to be primary sources, meaning that they were either written or released by Riley or someone acting on behalf of him. His blogs are a good source of this, but the bio he wrote up for himself is also an example of this. Even though it's published on a different website, it still counts as a primary source since he wrote it. Even if he didn't, it still doesn't count as a reliable source since it's not an article written about him. This is the same reason I removed another link on the page (I initially couldn't find his name). It was just a listing of people and wasn't an article.
What's considered a reliable source would be an in-depth news article or tv spot that predominantly or solely focused on Riley. An example of this would be if the New York Times or HuffingtoWn Post covered Riley. (A bit big in the description, but it's generally what is needed.) I see that there's some local coverage in there and that's good. Just be careful because not everyone considers local coverage to be enough to keep an article up. It's incredibly difficult to pass the notability guidelines in general, let alone for a webcomic or artist. For a great example of what sources are required and what a proper article about a webcomic artist should look like, I recommend checking out R. K. Milholland. The article is sourced without the need for primary sources, which is how an article should be written. (Primary sources can only be used if there's multiple reliable sources to back it up, which pretty much translates into the idea that you should have so many other sources that primary ones are completely unnecessary.)
I also voiced concerns over a potential conflict of interest. It's not against Wikipedia guidelines to post an article about yourself, someone you know, or someone who works for you (or you work for), but it is discouraged. The reason behind this is that it's so incredibly easy for you to get caught up with everything and end up assigning more notability than there might actually be. It's also very easy to write things in a non-neutral or semi-promotional manner without ever meaning to. It's why I would never be able to write an article about some author friends of mine when/if they make it big. I'd never be able to write or approach it neutrally. I recommend that if either of the two editors are the webcomic artist or someone with a COI, that you look into getting someone from Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Webcomics work group or the general Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics to assist you in writing this article. Not only can this group help avoid any concerns of COI, but they can also be a goldmine of tips and tricks at making the article truly shine (in a Wikipedia approved encylopedic neutral manner, of course).
I do have to say that other than the links I had to remove, this actually wasn't that bad and as far as articles written with a potential COI, it's pretty neutral. I don't mean to sound like the big mean old editor coming on to harsh the fun, but some people can get pretty trigger happy when it comes to new articles written by someone with a potential COI, so it's incredibly important that you become aware of this as soon as possible and proceed with extreme caution. Tokyogirl79 ( talk) 20:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79
I don't plan on personally editing this article anymore since a few have taken issue with it, and I will not personally remove the proposed deletion tag but I would like to note a few reasons why I think the call for deletion is premature. The other two Webcomics listed as beginning in 2010, for instance, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_webcomics) have a combined 280 fans on their respective FB pages compared to the 3,300+ from at least 20 countries on http://www.facebook.com/itastesounddotcom and just a few minutes of clicking down the list for Webcomics beginning in other years reveals few that have gone to print, and less that have had the print version critically reviewed by the newspaper of a large city, with Baltimore being the largest city in Maryland and the largest independent city in the country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_city_(United_States). I would also consider the Bleeding Cool interview national/international coverage as bleedingcool.com gets tens of thousands of hits daily from all over the world, is often referenced by other publications, such as The New York Observer recently and has many notable contributors, American and British. I Taste Sound's distributor also sends books to Canada and England on occasion and for what it's worth, I don't have personal communications with any individuals in West Virginia or Chicago, since I noticed speculation on one of these threads that I contacted a friend or fan there to have them make edits to the article. User:Mikeriley23 4:18, 5 February 2012
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Tagging for conflict of interest because the editor who initially started the article styled their user name after the cartoonist and all previous edits were done by an IP address that has only made edits about this cartoonist. (If you are the same person, please read up on the COI section here on Wikipedia!) As for whether or not this article passes notability guidelines, I haven't investigated that yet. I just wanted to tag this so someone could do further looking into this as well for notability as well as neutrality. It doesn't appear to be that bad, but I want to make my concerns voiced. (See WP:COI, WP:ARTIST, WP:GNG, WP:RP) Tokyogirl79 ( talk) 20:28, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Tokyogirl79
Just wanted to drop a note here to explain why I removed so many sources. The reason behind this is that none of the links I removed are usable as reliable sources that show notability. For example, I removed an interview by a small comic book shop, the reason being in that it isn't considered to be something that is both reliable and notable enough of a source per Wikipedia standards. It's not only done by a merchant (who would have an interest in showing Riley off in the best light possible since they want people to buy his stuff), but it's also the equivalent of a blog and blogs cannot be used unless they're by someone considered an absolute authority, meaning that it'd have to be done by one of the chief editors at Dark Horse, Stan Lee, or the ALA. The majority of blogs do not fall under this requirement. Other sources I removed were considered to be primary sources, meaning that they were either written or released by Riley or someone acting on behalf of him. His blogs are a good source of this, but the bio he wrote up for himself is also an example of this. Even though it's published on a different website, it still counts as a primary source since he wrote it. Even if he didn't, it still doesn't count as a reliable source since it's not an article written about him. This is the same reason I removed another link on the page (I initially couldn't find his name). It was just a listing of people and wasn't an article.
What's considered a reliable source would be an in-depth news article or tv spot that predominantly or solely focused on Riley. An example of this would be if the New York Times or HuffingtoWn Post covered Riley. (A bit big in the description, but it's generally what is needed.) I see that there's some local coverage in there and that's good. Just be careful because not everyone considers local coverage to be enough to keep an article up. It's incredibly difficult to pass the notability guidelines in general, let alone for a webcomic or artist. For a great example of what sources are required and what a proper article about a webcomic artist should look like, I recommend checking out R. K. Milholland. The article is sourced without the need for primary sources, which is how an article should be written. (Primary sources can only be used if there's multiple reliable sources to back it up, which pretty much translates into the idea that you should have so many other sources that primary ones are completely unnecessary.)
I also voiced concerns over a potential conflict of interest. It's not against Wikipedia guidelines to post an article about yourself, someone you know, or someone who works for you (or you work for), but it is discouraged. The reason behind this is that it's so incredibly easy for you to get caught up with everything and end up assigning more notability than there might actually be. It's also very easy to write things in a non-neutral or semi-promotional manner without ever meaning to. It's why I would never be able to write an article about some author friends of mine when/if they make it big. I'd never be able to write or approach it neutrally. I recommend that if either of the two editors are the webcomic artist or someone with a COI, that you look into getting someone from Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Webcomics work group or the general Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics to assist you in writing this article. Not only can this group help avoid any concerns of COI, but they can also be a goldmine of tips and tricks at making the article truly shine (in a Wikipedia approved encylopedic neutral manner, of course).
I do have to say that other than the links I had to remove, this actually wasn't that bad and as far as articles written with a potential COI, it's pretty neutral. I don't mean to sound like the big mean old editor coming on to harsh the fun, but some people can get pretty trigger happy when it comes to new articles written by someone with a potential COI, so it's incredibly important that you become aware of this as soon as possible and proceed with extreme caution. Tokyogirl79 ( talk) 20:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79
I don't plan on personally editing this article anymore since a few have taken issue with it, and I will not personally remove the proposed deletion tag but I would like to note a few reasons why I think the call for deletion is premature. The other two Webcomics listed as beginning in 2010, for instance, ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_webcomics) have a combined 280 fans on their respective FB pages compared to the 3,300+ from at least 20 countries on http://www.facebook.com/itastesounddotcom and just a few minutes of clicking down the list for Webcomics beginning in other years reveals few that have gone to print, and less that have had the print version critically reviewed by the newspaper of a large city, with Baltimore being the largest city in Maryland and the largest independent city in the country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_city_(United_States). I would also consider the Bleeding Cool interview national/international coverage as bleedingcool.com gets tens of thousands of hits daily from all over the world, is often referenced by other publications, such as The New York Observer recently and has many notable contributors, American and British. I Taste Sound's distributor also sends books to Canada and England on occasion and for what it's worth, I don't have personal communications with any individuals in West Virginia or Chicago, since I noticed speculation on one of these threads that I contacted a friend or fan there to have them make edits to the article. User:Mikeriley23 4:18, 5 February 2012
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