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Wow this is shocking, how can we add this page to the (inorganic?) Chemistry Portal. I should get to work on this Spuddddddd Feb08
"The mechanism for alkene and hydride migratory insertion is shown below" huh?
-holyone2 Mar10 —Preceding
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Hi,
I am surprised by the rude change to redirect Insertion Reactions to Migratory Insertion reactions. There are many different insertion reactions, not just migratory insertion reactions. The page on insertion reactions was carefully drafted by students who have worked hard all semester on finding numerous resources and have made images to clearly depict the concepts. These students have also written to the community claiming that Migratory Insertion reactions should be merged with Insertion Reactions, not the other way around.
However, you have inadvertently failed to listen to these students and disregarded their hard work because they have perhaps made it inconvenient for you. A large article that is well cited and well written should not be any more discredited than small chunks added. These pages have been peer reviewed and add a significant amount of well researched content, greatly improving the page. If you and your collegues would give more substantial and constructive feedback specifically on the content in question (instead of a blanket comment about logistics and policies of Wikipedia), it goes without saying that such comments are welcomed wholeheartedly. The students will happily address those comments Or feel free to change some of the content yourself.
However, abusing the blocking capabilities is not an encouraging way to welcome new editors nor allow for them to understand what it is that they have done wrong. It only makes these students fell that they cannot contribute to the page, making Wikipedia not hold up to its claim of anyone being able to edit. It seems as though these actions indicate that only a select elite are capable of editing and this is a hazardous path for Wikipedia to take, especially for topics as important for the general public to understand as pages on science.
Please revert the changes on redirecting Insertion Reactions to Migratory Insertion and unblock the students of chem507f10grp3. Thank you.
MichChemGSI ( talk) 15:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree that these students have improved upon the page substantially. The existing page which is limited in focus to migratory insertion reactions should be folded into the page thay have created which addresses the general topic of insertion reactions. The page they have created is in general, much more detailed and better cited, and should not be so easily dismissed.
Formatting issues can easily be resolved, and should not stand in the way of this page being significantly improved. -- Tycarter ( talk) 16:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I completely concur with the above arguments. A general topic should not be tunneled into one particular example when there is much more involved. Please delete the redirect and allow progress to be made. Klsyking ( talk) 16:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
addtionally, please see this link for an example. [ [2]]
There are some insertion mechanisms that are not migratory. Migratory insertion have 2 things on a metal center where one is inserting to the other. There are examples that don't require pre-coordination and therefore are not migratory. This page should either be two pages that respectively cover the two DIFFERENT broad topics in question, or migratory insertion should be a subset of general insertion reactions. (My vote would be for the former). I am confused why this is such a battle because it seems obvious to someone unaffiliated with the argument. Please enlighten me. Klsyking ( talk) 17:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Migratory insertion is one type of insertion reaction and users should be redirected to insertion reactions from migratory insertion reactions not the other way around. We had recently posted that we were going to update the insertion reaction page and now the page is gone. We will attempt to update this site with the research we have done but our project was inclusive of all insertion reactions and not just migratory insertion reactions. I hope this page can be improved to reflect that migratory insertions should be a sub-category of insertion reactions. Additionally, I hope that our improvements can help further Wikipedia's goal to be a comprehensive source of knowledge that all can contribute to when they have information to add. Chem507f10grp3 ( talk) 21:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Migratory insertion's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Brown":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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Wow this is shocking, how can we add this page to the (inorganic?) Chemistry Portal. I should get to work on this Spuddddddd Feb08
"The mechanism for alkene and hydride migratory insertion is shown below" huh?
-holyone2 Mar10 —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
77.102.254.124 (
talk)
12:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I am surprised by the rude change to redirect Insertion Reactions to Migratory Insertion reactions. There are many different insertion reactions, not just migratory insertion reactions. The page on insertion reactions was carefully drafted by students who have worked hard all semester on finding numerous resources and have made images to clearly depict the concepts. These students have also written to the community claiming that Migratory Insertion reactions should be merged with Insertion Reactions, not the other way around.
However, you have inadvertently failed to listen to these students and disregarded their hard work because they have perhaps made it inconvenient for you. A large article that is well cited and well written should not be any more discredited than small chunks added. These pages have been peer reviewed and add a significant amount of well researched content, greatly improving the page. If you and your collegues would give more substantial and constructive feedback specifically on the content in question (instead of a blanket comment about logistics and policies of Wikipedia), it goes without saying that such comments are welcomed wholeheartedly. The students will happily address those comments Or feel free to change some of the content yourself.
However, abusing the blocking capabilities is not an encouraging way to welcome new editors nor allow for them to understand what it is that they have done wrong. It only makes these students fell that they cannot contribute to the page, making Wikipedia not hold up to its claim of anyone being able to edit. It seems as though these actions indicate that only a select elite are capable of editing and this is a hazardous path for Wikipedia to take, especially for topics as important for the general public to understand as pages on science.
Please revert the changes on redirecting Insertion Reactions to Migratory Insertion and unblock the students of chem507f10grp3. Thank you.
MichChemGSI ( talk) 15:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree that these students have improved upon the page substantially. The existing page which is limited in focus to migratory insertion reactions should be folded into the page thay have created which addresses the general topic of insertion reactions. The page they have created is in general, much more detailed and better cited, and should not be so easily dismissed.
Formatting issues can easily be resolved, and should not stand in the way of this page being significantly improved. -- Tycarter ( talk) 16:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I completely concur with the above arguments. A general topic should not be tunneled into one particular example when there is much more involved. Please delete the redirect and allow progress to be made. Klsyking ( talk) 16:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
addtionally, please see this link for an example. [ [2]]
There are some insertion mechanisms that are not migratory. Migratory insertion have 2 things on a metal center where one is inserting to the other. There are examples that don't require pre-coordination and therefore are not migratory. This page should either be two pages that respectively cover the two DIFFERENT broad topics in question, or migratory insertion should be a subset of general insertion reactions. (My vote would be for the former). I am confused why this is such a battle because it seems obvious to someone unaffiliated with the argument. Please enlighten me. Klsyking ( talk) 17:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Migratory insertion is one type of insertion reaction and users should be redirected to insertion reactions from migratory insertion reactions not the other way around. We had recently posted that we were going to update the insertion reaction page and now the page is gone. We will attempt to update this site with the research we have done but our project was inclusive of all insertion reactions and not just migratory insertion reactions. I hope this page can be improved to reflect that migratory insertions should be a sub-category of insertion reactions. Additionally, I hope that our improvements can help further Wikipedia's goal to be a comprehensive source of knowledge that all can contribute to when they have information to add. Chem507f10grp3 ( talk) 21:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Migratory insertion's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Brown":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 15:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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