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This is a very silly thing to start a discussion about, but as much as I would like to I have never seen "Ciuc" beer marketed as "Csíki" (assuming we're both talking about the înca-una-si-ma-duc beer). Do they do that outside Hargita? Perhaps we could also mention "Harghita " beer (also made in Csíkszereda), which seems to me to be much more popular in the upper Csík than "Ciuc" is . . .
Meaning of Csikszereda: the article states that the name means Castle of the Szekely in both Hungarian and German. I am a native speaker of Hungarian, and Csikszereda does not mean that. If anyone knows an explanation for that , it would be nice to include it in the article. Otherwise I would suggest to correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.98.171 ( talk) 12:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Why do you remove "Szekely" from "Szekely Hungarians"? That's how they identify. It's not like I'm argueing that the Szekelys are not Hungarians, they're just a distinct branch of the Hungarians. bogdan 18:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that Szekelys are Szekelys, don't worry. And that's why I haven't touched the other parts of the article talking about Szekely culture. But I've checked the data of the 2002 census that the article cites at that point and it refers to Hungarians not Szekely Hungarians: http://www.recensamant.ro/
OK, but have a look at the earlier sentence:
"According to the 2002 census the city has a population of 42,029, of whom 34,388 or 81.8% are Szekler Hungarians."
This is simply not what the census states. A commenting sentence can be always added but census data should be cited as it is. I think it'd be an acceptable compromise to have Hungarians at that one point and Szeklers at each other place in the article.
The Szekely are Hungarians with a distinct culture. Romanian censuses counted them as Hungarians just like the Csango.It has indeed a population 81,8% Szekely despite Ceaucescu efforts to settle it with Romanians. They do identify themselves as Szekely and not as Hungarians so I think we should call them Szekely but explain the Szekely are Hungarians. -- Jorgenpfhartogs ( talk) 20:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
This edit is the problem, it is promoting Hungarian irredentism. [1]
Arguments:
If anyone can enter the discussion and clarify it further. Thank you. iadrian ( talk)
Székelyland (Székelyföld) does indeed exist and has existed for centuries. It is bascically todays Kovászna/Covasna (Háromszék), Hargita/Harghita, Maros/Mures and smaller areas of Bákó and Brassó counties. For someone, especially a non-Hungarian to deny it's existence is paramount to cultural genocide. It would be the same if a Hungarian said that "Dobrudja does not exist". Hundreds of thousands of Hungarians are demanding Székelyland have its autonomy again, this has been achieved within Romania before - Mures-Magyar Autonomous Region, Maros-Magyar Autonóm Tartomány. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magyarcsaba ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Csíkszereda is how this town is know by the overwhelming majority of the population residing there. This has been the case for centuries. Csíkszereda is today just as Hungarian as it was when Transylvania was part of Hungary.
Csíkszereda is the most appropriate name for this Hungarian town, not "miercurea ciuc". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.216.73 ( talk) 21:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing "revisionist/nostalgic/nationalist about naming a City by the name the overwhelming majority of its population know it as. In this case Csíkszereda is how 85% of the inhabitants know it to be. It should also be known by this name in official terms. Currently there is a campaign to change the official name back to Csíkszereda by the local population.
This town is known as Csíkszereda by 85% of the local population. Why should outsiders tell the locals otherwise? This has absolutely nothing to do with "nationalist/revisionist/nostalgic" ideas, it is to do with facts and reality. Transylvania may now be in Romania, but can we remind people that it was given to Romania in the Trianon Diktat against the wishes of Hungarians living there. Therefore calling Csíkszereda by it's true and most appropriate name should not be opposed, unless you are an anti-democrat.
Yes, Csíkszereda is definitely a Hungarian town in Transylvania, and happens to be part of Romania at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.56.70.117 ( talk) 11:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Modern wiki pages have Other names section Readder ( talk) 06:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
look at all pages of hungarian and serbian cities Readder ( talk) 07:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Some of Miercurea Ciuc citizens are of siculi origin. Some? The vast majority of Csikszereda are Székely Hungarians!
Siculi are of Turkic or Cuman origin. They were using Turkic runes and after intensive magyarisation they lost their language. They did not have their own language, because they have always been Hungarian speaking.
Siculi can be recognised after their Assian appearance (chinese eyes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.32.169 ( talk) 11:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
What is Siculi? I think the word you are looking for is Székely, or Szekler in English. Assian appearance? What is that? Chinese eyes? I have never seen any people with 'Chinese eyes' in Csikszereda. What a ridiculous statement this is. Is this a child who has written this? Surely you should be able to write in a decent standard of English before you decide to make a rather ignorant and such a non sense as this?
Siculi (sekely) were a Turkic people speaking a Turkic language. After Magyarisation they lost their language 193.231.27.85 ( talk) 08:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I saw some true Siculi in Miercurea Ciuc. These persons have Chinese eyes as mentioned above. But not all Siculi have these characteritics and that means true Siculi remain very few.
I made some photos with these persons. They really look like Chinese or Mongol people. I may offer these photos for free
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This is a very silly thing to start a discussion about, but as much as I would like to I have never seen "Ciuc" beer marketed as "Csíki" (assuming we're both talking about the înca-una-si-ma-duc beer). Do they do that outside Hargita? Perhaps we could also mention "Harghita " beer (also made in Csíkszereda), which seems to me to be much more popular in the upper Csík than "Ciuc" is . . .
Meaning of Csikszereda: the article states that the name means Castle of the Szekely in both Hungarian and German. I am a native speaker of Hungarian, and Csikszereda does not mean that. If anyone knows an explanation for that , it would be nice to include it in the article. Otherwise I would suggest to correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.137.98.171 ( talk) 12:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Why do you remove "Szekely" from "Szekely Hungarians"? That's how they identify. It's not like I'm argueing that the Szekelys are not Hungarians, they're just a distinct branch of the Hungarians. bogdan 18:36, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that Szekelys are Szekelys, don't worry. And that's why I haven't touched the other parts of the article talking about Szekely culture. But I've checked the data of the 2002 census that the article cites at that point and it refers to Hungarians not Szekely Hungarians: http://www.recensamant.ro/
OK, but have a look at the earlier sentence:
"According to the 2002 census the city has a population of 42,029, of whom 34,388 or 81.8% are Szekler Hungarians."
This is simply not what the census states. A commenting sentence can be always added but census data should be cited as it is. I think it'd be an acceptable compromise to have Hungarians at that one point and Szeklers at each other place in the article.
The Szekely are Hungarians with a distinct culture. Romanian censuses counted them as Hungarians just like the Csango.It has indeed a population 81,8% Szekely despite Ceaucescu efforts to settle it with Romanians. They do identify themselves as Szekely and not as Hungarians so I think we should call them Szekely but explain the Szekely are Hungarians. -- Jorgenpfhartogs ( talk) 20:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
This edit is the problem, it is promoting Hungarian irredentism. [1]
Arguments:
If anyone can enter the discussion and clarify it further. Thank you. iadrian ( talk)
Székelyland (Székelyföld) does indeed exist and has existed for centuries. It is bascically todays Kovászna/Covasna (Háromszék), Hargita/Harghita, Maros/Mures and smaller areas of Bákó and Brassó counties. For someone, especially a non-Hungarian to deny it's existence is paramount to cultural genocide. It would be the same if a Hungarian said that "Dobrudja does not exist". Hundreds of thousands of Hungarians are demanding Székelyland have its autonomy again, this has been achieved within Romania before - Mures-Magyar Autonomous Region, Maros-Magyar Autonóm Tartomány. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magyarcsaba ( talk • contribs) 23:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Csíkszereda is how this town is know by the overwhelming majority of the population residing there. This has been the case for centuries. Csíkszereda is today just as Hungarian as it was when Transylvania was part of Hungary.
Csíkszereda is the most appropriate name for this Hungarian town, not "miercurea ciuc". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.216.73 ( talk) 21:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing "revisionist/nostalgic/nationalist about naming a City by the name the overwhelming majority of its population know it as. In this case Csíkszereda is how 85% of the inhabitants know it to be. It should also be known by this name in official terms. Currently there is a campaign to change the official name back to Csíkszereda by the local population.
This town is known as Csíkszereda by 85% of the local population. Why should outsiders tell the locals otherwise? This has absolutely nothing to do with "nationalist/revisionist/nostalgic" ideas, it is to do with facts and reality. Transylvania may now be in Romania, but can we remind people that it was given to Romania in the Trianon Diktat against the wishes of Hungarians living there. Therefore calling Csíkszereda by it's true and most appropriate name should not be opposed, unless you are an anti-democrat.
Yes, Csíkszereda is definitely a Hungarian town in Transylvania, and happens to be part of Romania at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.56.70.117 ( talk) 11:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Modern wiki pages have Other names section Readder ( talk) 06:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
look at all pages of hungarian and serbian cities Readder ( talk) 07:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Some of Miercurea Ciuc citizens are of siculi origin. Some? The vast majority of Csikszereda are Székely Hungarians!
Siculi are of Turkic or Cuman origin. They were using Turkic runes and after intensive magyarisation they lost their language. They did not have their own language, because they have always been Hungarian speaking.
Siculi can be recognised after their Assian appearance (chinese eyes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.32.169 ( talk) 11:03, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
What is Siculi? I think the word you are looking for is Székely, or Szekler in English. Assian appearance? What is that? Chinese eyes? I have never seen any people with 'Chinese eyes' in Csikszereda. What a ridiculous statement this is. Is this a child who has written this? Surely you should be able to write in a decent standard of English before you decide to make a rather ignorant and such a non sense as this?
Siculi (sekely) were a Turkic people speaking a Turkic language. After Magyarisation they lost their language 193.231.27.85 ( talk) 08:13, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I saw some true Siculi in Miercurea Ciuc. These persons have Chinese eyes as mentioned above. But not all Siculi have these characteritics and that means true Siculi remain very few.
I made some photos with these persons. They really look like Chinese or Mongol people. I may offer these photos for free