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If it is confirmed that he was in fact killed, I will begin changing the language in the article to past tense, but I think it's too early right now. -- Vagodin 04:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe this is just an allegation -- has anyone offered any proof?
A PBS documentary on precision munitions and electronic warfare in Iraq said that American forces were authorized to launch attacks that would kill up to 30 civilians if they thought they might kill a senior member of Saddam's leadership. The documentary said they launched fifty attacks that they thought might decapitate Saddam's leadership. All of these attacks with precision weapons succeeded, in that they hit the buildings they were aimed at. All of these attacks were failures, in that they failed to hit a single member of the leadership. The PBS documentary didn't say how many civilians died in these amateurish decapitation attacks. But I counted a couple of dozen in the four attempts that I found reference to in the news.
This attack sounds like a similar decapitation attempts, where the American high command calculated that it was worth launching the attack, knowing it would kill innocent civilians, in the hope it might kill Zawahiri. When it failed to kill Zawahiri there would be great pressure to produce a consolation prize to divert attention from the deaths of the 18 civilians.
Midhat Mursi has the nickname Abu Khatab Al Masri -- Abu al Masri. On the 18th CNN's Wolf Blitzer kept referring to him as "Abu Al Masri". Well, the other infamous Abu Hamza al-Masri, the former iman of the Finsbury Park Mosque, also known as "Abu al-Masri", is also alleged to have been a mentor to Richard Reid and Moussai.
Compare the photo on the blog site, and compare it with photos of the iman of the Finsbury mosque. I strongly suspect that the photo being identified as Midhat Mursi is actually a photo of the Abu Hamza al-Masri. It would be typical of the competence of US intelligence, so far, to have made this kind of mistake. Remember how much confusion there was when Zarqari first rose to prominence when Nick Berg was killed? The US had been telling everyone Zarqari had a prosthetic leg -- inconsistent with the ability of the guy believed to be him to wrestle poor Berg to the ground.
And if you read some of the Combatant Status Review Tribunal dossiers made public through FOIA, you will find instance after instance of name confusion. You will find many instances of guys who were told they would continue to be held in Guantanamo because someone found their name on a hard drive that was believed to have belonged to someone in Al Qaeda. In the heartbreaking transcript of Abdullah Kamel Abdullah Kamel Al Kandari's CSRT he begged the Tribunal to tell him what name had been found on this hard drive. He explained he was a sports hero, a member of the Kuwaiti volleyball team. As a sports hero he had many nicknames. He suggested that if his name was found on an al Qaeda member's hard drive it may have been there simply because the owner was a sports fan. A distressing fact that he wouldn't have learned was that the documents in his dossier transcribe his name six, count 'em six, different ways. You'd think that if you were going to suspend a suspect's human rights based on the claim that you found his name on a suspect's hard drive, you'd make sure that was really his name -- and you would make sure you spelled his name the same way every time you used it.
My point being skepticism is in order that the US intelligence correctly identified this guy. And we shouldn't repeat any of their claims as if they were true -- without any evidence. -- Geo Swan 00:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
According to the BBC he is now dead from a missile strike. Perhaps someone collected on that $5m reward.. -- EvilMonkeySlayer ( talk) 15:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
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If it is confirmed that he was in fact killed, I will begin changing the language in the article to past tense, but I think it's too early right now. -- Vagodin 04:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe this is just an allegation -- has anyone offered any proof?
A PBS documentary on precision munitions and electronic warfare in Iraq said that American forces were authorized to launch attacks that would kill up to 30 civilians if they thought they might kill a senior member of Saddam's leadership. The documentary said they launched fifty attacks that they thought might decapitate Saddam's leadership. All of these attacks with precision weapons succeeded, in that they hit the buildings they were aimed at. All of these attacks were failures, in that they failed to hit a single member of the leadership. The PBS documentary didn't say how many civilians died in these amateurish decapitation attacks. But I counted a couple of dozen in the four attempts that I found reference to in the news.
This attack sounds like a similar decapitation attempts, where the American high command calculated that it was worth launching the attack, knowing it would kill innocent civilians, in the hope it might kill Zawahiri. When it failed to kill Zawahiri there would be great pressure to produce a consolation prize to divert attention from the deaths of the 18 civilians.
Midhat Mursi has the nickname Abu Khatab Al Masri -- Abu al Masri. On the 18th CNN's Wolf Blitzer kept referring to him as "Abu Al Masri". Well, the other infamous Abu Hamza al-Masri, the former iman of the Finsbury Park Mosque, also known as "Abu al-Masri", is also alleged to have been a mentor to Richard Reid and Moussai.
Compare the photo on the blog site, and compare it with photos of the iman of the Finsbury mosque. I strongly suspect that the photo being identified as Midhat Mursi is actually a photo of the Abu Hamza al-Masri. It would be typical of the competence of US intelligence, so far, to have made this kind of mistake. Remember how much confusion there was when Zarqari first rose to prominence when Nick Berg was killed? The US had been telling everyone Zarqari had a prosthetic leg -- inconsistent with the ability of the guy believed to be him to wrestle poor Berg to the ground.
And if you read some of the Combatant Status Review Tribunal dossiers made public through FOIA, you will find instance after instance of name confusion. You will find many instances of guys who were told they would continue to be held in Guantanamo because someone found their name on a hard drive that was believed to have belonged to someone in Al Qaeda. In the heartbreaking transcript of Abdullah Kamel Abdullah Kamel Al Kandari's CSRT he begged the Tribunal to tell him what name had been found on this hard drive. He explained he was a sports hero, a member of the Kuwaiti volleyball team. As a sports hero he had many nicknames. He suggested that if his name was found on an al Qaeda member's hard drive it may have been there simply because the owner was a sports fan. A distressing fact that he wouldn't have learned was that the documents in his dossier transcribe his name six, count 'em six, different ways. You'd think that if you were going to suspend a suspect's human rights based on the claim that you found his name on a suspect's hard drive, you'd make sure that was really his name -- and you would make sure you spelled his name the same way every time you used it.
My point being skepticism is in order that the US intelligence correctly identified this guy. And we shouldn't repeat any of their claims as if they were true -- without any evidence. -- Geo Swan 00:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
According to the BBC he is now dead from a missile strike. Perhaps someone collected on that $5m reward.. -- EvilMonkeySlayer ( talk) 15:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
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