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Can someone get a picture of the actual phone to put on Wikipedia. The logo is all well and good, but it when people go on here, they will expect a picture of the actual device. iPhone is a great example of this. Bill Heller ( talk) 01:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The lede is contradictory on the relationship with Windows Phone 7. It asserts that the software platform is built directly on top of WinCE, not Windows Phone 7, based on an article from October 2009. But the last sentence of the lede claims that KIN it is built on Windows Phone 7, providing only a pointer to the official web site (with is Flash and seems to contain nothing but mareting info). Unless better info can be provided, I'm inclined to remove the second contention. Rvcx ( talk) 18:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
KIN does not seem to stand for anything. Per MOS:TM, it cannot be capitalized. ViperSnake151 Talk 19:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I was not familiar with that guideline. Thanks for sharing. heat_fan1 ( talk) 21:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I think the name of the article (and all uses of "Kin") should be changed to KIN. This is how Microsoft is marketing it. This is the "official" name (as seen on the website, logo, and any time Microsoft of Verizon refers to it). If iPhone can be iPhone instead of Iphone or I Phone or anything else then I don't see why Kin can't be KIN. Because it is a Microsoft/Verizon product, they can name it whatever they want and we must respect that. - CaptainStack
I've noticed some people continually deleting any referenced criticism of Kin ( eg). There is no Wikipedia directive to delete criticism of a product or service, providing it is well referenced. You could debate the form that such criticism should take, and how it is layed out (eg, its own section or throughout the article), but the text should stay, as it is the only text in the article that differs from what you get on the vendor's website, and the vendor's press-releases, which forms the basis for most of the other content. I think the issue should be debated here before massively changing it, or attempting to delete it all.-- Lester 21:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm disappointed in this article. There is a great deal of excellent content, but every paragraph except for the first and last have a tone that is negative towards Microsoft and the product. There's an overemphasis on missing features (which may deserve a section, but shouldn't also get plugged in whenever any feature of the product is mentioned) ex: "The Spot can also be used to set up e-mail attachments. However, Kin only supports email attachments, and does not support attachments to other media (like MMS)." The result is a unanimously negative feeling about Microsoft and the product. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.156.88 ( talk) 03:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page already moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:45, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Microsoft KIN →
Microsoft Kin — "KIN" isn't an accronym (as stated above) so it should be changed to "Kin" per
MOS:TM, and most third party sources refer to it as "Kin" anyway.
Sorafune
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18:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Agree with move, but not sure to what. Both ideas above work. Griffinofwales ( talk) 14:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I think the name of the article (and all uses of "Kin") should be changed to KIN. This is how Microsoft is marketing it. This is the "official" name (as seen on the website, logo, and any time Microsoft of Verizon refers to it). If iPhone can be iPhone instead of Iphone or I Phone or anything else then I don't see why Kin can't be KIN. Because it is a Microsoft/Verizon product, they can name it whatever they want and we must respect that. - CaptainStack
I see there's no image of the Kin device. The following page (from Vodafone) contains download links for high res images of both the Kin devices. Is it possible to use these? I'm not sure about copyrights etc, but the images are there for press/promotional use, so it may be acceptable to use them on here???
Why is there a section about the network charges? I don't think any other phone has that, nor is it particularly encyclopedic. Additionally, I think lumping in the $15/month cost for a Zune Pass is really pretty stupid. No other phone is compatible with the Zune Pass so you don't have that option. You are by all means not required to get a Zune Pass, and it wasn't even a service originally developed for this phone. I think this section should be deleted. -CaptainStack —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.208.117.155 ( talk) 08:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I can't fathom the rationale for removing any reference to the Zune Pass; most of the reviews do mention this so it's clearly notable. It does need to be made clear that this extra charge is optional and so the minimum contract price is $70 and not $85, but the text now does this.
Further, a paragraph of content-free defensiveness and spin from Verizon is completely inappropriate here. It is set up as some kind of contradiction of reviewers' opinions, but of course it contradicts nothing that's been asserted. Reviewers think the contract pricing is very high and appropriate only for smartphones; Verizon says people already pay those prices for smartphones. What's the point? Rvcx ( talk) 10:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I created a section to discuss the news that the Kin is being discontinued by Microsoft. As more info becomes available people should add to the section. -- Cab88 ( talk) 01:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
It's listed as the Sidekick. But the Sidekick shouldn't be labeled as the predecessor because they were both concurrently manufactured. That label should be changed. Wysprgr2005 ( talk) 04:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Are there any sources for how many were actually sold? All I can find are references to a Business Insider-sourced rumor that there were only 500 sold, which was then picked up elsewhere. [1] [2] Daring Fireball had a completely unsourced number of 503. [3] The only other number I could find is a speculative 8,800. [4] [5]
Is there harder data out there now? The Kin has been dead for a while now, so I'd think the dust could have settled by now. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to add a section on the Zune software compatability with the Kin TwoM and Kin OneM, looking for some support on recovery of data from internal memory on Kin phones with or without using the zune software. Microsoft's poor support with compatability with Zune Software for these phones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saguinter ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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Can someone get a picture of the actual phone to put on Wikipedia. The logo is all well and good, but it when people go on here, they will expect a picture of the actual device. iPhone is a great example of this. Bill Heller ( talk) 01:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
The lede is contradictory on the relationship with Windows Phone 7. It asserts that the software platform is built directly on top of WinCE, not Windows Phone 7, based on an article from October 2009. But the last sentence of the lede claims that KIN it is built on Windows Phone 7, providing only a pointer to the official web site (with is Flash and seems to contain nothing but mareting info). Unless better info can be provided, I'm inclined to remove the second contention. Rvcx ( talk) 18:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
KIN does not seem to stand for anything. Per MOS:TM, it cannot be capitalized. ViperSnake151 Talk 19:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I was not familiar with that guideline. Thanks for sharing. heat_fan1 ( talk) 21:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I think the name of the article (and all uses of "Kin") should be changed to KIN. This is how Microsoft is marketing it. This is the "official" name (as seen on the website, logo, and any time Microsoft of Verizon refers to it). If iPhone can be iPhone instead of Iphone or I Phone or anything else then I don't see why Kin can't be KIN. Because it is a Microsoft/Verizon product, they can name it whatever they want and we must respect that. - CaptainStack
I've noticed some people continually deleting any referenced criticism of Kin ( eg). There is no Wikipedia directive to delete criticism of a product or service, providing it is well referenced. You could debate the form that such criticism should take, and how it is layed out (eg, its own section or throughout the article), but the text should stay, as it is the only text in the article that differs from what you get on the vendor's website, and the vendor's press-releases, which forms the basis for most of the other content. I think the issue should be debated here before massively changing it, or attempting to delete it all.-- Lester 21:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm disappointed in this article. There is a great deal of excellent content, but every paragraph except for the first and last have a tone that is negative towards Microsoft and the product. There's an overemphasis on missing features (which may deserve a section, but shouldn't also get plugged in whenever any feature of the product is mentioned) ex: "The Spot can also be used to set up e-mail attachments. However, Kin only supports email attachments, and does not support attachments to other media (like MMS)." The result is a unanimously negative feeling about Microsoft and the product. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.156.88 ( talk) 03:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page already moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:45, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Microsoft KIN →
Microsoft Kin — "KIN" isn't an accronym (as stated above) so it should be changed to "Kin" per
MOS:TM, and most third party sources refer to it as "Kin" anyway.
Sorafune
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18:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Agree with move, but not sure to what. Both ideas above work. Griffinofwales ( talk) 14:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I think the name of the article (and all uses of "Kin") should be changed to KIN. This is how Microsoft is marketing it. This is the "official" name (as seen on the website, logo, and any time Microsoft of Verizon refers to it). If iPhone can be iPhone instead of Iphone or I Phone or anything else then I don't see why Kin can't be KIN. Because it is a Microsoft/Verizon product, they can name it whatever they want and we must respect that. - CaptainStack
I see there's no image of the Kin device. The following page (from Vodafone) contains download links for high res images of both the Kin devices. Is it possible to use these? I'm not sure about copyrights etc, but the images are there for press/promotional use, so it may be acceptable to use them on here???
Why is there a section about the network charges? I don't think any other phone has that, nor is it particularly encyclopedic. Additionally, I think lumping in the $15/month cost for a Zune Pass is really pretty stupid. No other phone is compatible with the Zune Pass so you don't have that option. You are by all means not required to get a Zune Pass, and it wasn't even a service originally developed for this phone. I think this section should be deleted. -CaptainStack —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.208.117.155 ( talk) 08:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I can't fathom the rationale for removing any reference to the Zune Pass; most of the reviews do mention this so it's clearly notable. It does need to be made clear that this extra charge is optional and so the minimum contract price is $70 and not $85, but the text now does this.
Further, a paragraph of content-free defensiveness and spin from Verizon is completely inappropriate here. It is set up as some kind of contradiction of reviewers' opinions, but of course it contradicts nothing that's been asserted. Reviewers think the contract pricing is very high and appropriate only for smartphones; Verizon says people already pay those prices for smartphones. What's the point? Rvcx ( talk) 10:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I created a section to discuss the news that the Kin is being discontinued by Microsoft. As more info becomes available people should add to the section. -- Cab88 ( talk) 01:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
It's listed as the Sidekick. But the Sidekick shouldn't be labeled as the predecessor because they were both concurrently manufactured. That label should be changed. Wysprgr2005 ( talk) 04:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Are there any sources for how many were actually sold? All I can find are references to a Business Insider-sourced rumor that there were only 500 sold, which was then picked up elsewhere. [1] [2] Daring Fireball had a completely unsourced number of 503. [3] The only other number I could find is a speculative 8,800. [4] [5]
Is there harder data out there now? The Kin has been dead for a while now, so I'd think the dust could have settled by now. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to add a section on the Zune software compatability with the Kin TwoM and Kin OneM, looking for some support on recovery of data from internal memory on Kin phones with or without using the zune software. Microsoft's poor support with compatability with Zune Software for these phones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saguinter ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
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