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Lovelac7, it seems a number of famous MSU alumni have been both eliminated or not included. Also I note we have the only alumni section that has every alumni footnoted. While I agree for clarity and exactness, which is what got both our main and history articles Feature status, I think this may going a bit far. I suggest we add the follow alumni who, if you check, are famous:
Edgar Anderson (botanist), Charles E. (or CE) St. John (astrophysicist), James W. (or JW) Toumey (botanist), E.J. Kraus (botanist).
These are all starred Scientist from 1943 and before (see link: http://books.google.com/books?id=4OvFHmwgghQC&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=%22franz+br%C3%BCnnow%22&source=web&ots=jiJjRju_Xg&sig=lraze2Wm4CoF2rh_DyhKMEjuyZ0#PPA248,M1 . There are others who I’ll suggest, later, but for now, I’d definitely include these.
Can we get a vote in favor? 69.249.211.107 18:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I note the MSU website's "Points of Pride" section lists the following:
"A ranking of Top 100 Global Universities released by Newsweek/MSNBC in August 2006 lists Michigan State at No. 62..."
I think this should be added, in addition to the other rankings. I'm just not great with footnote attributions, if someone might give it a shot. 151.197.39.235 22:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I adjusted a statement that the Izzone is one of the "most elite" to the most intimidating, mainly because I remember seeing an article stating just that. I cannot seem to find it, so if anyone knows what article I'm talking about please cite that statement in the Men's Basketball section for me. - EndingPop 18:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I have updated the MSU
Userbox with a public domain Block 'S' logo. To add it to your userpage, just add {{User Michigan State}} to your userpage. Enjoy.— Lovelac7 23:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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After a bit of debate ( part two) related to Pennsylvania State University and University of Pennsylvania, any objections to adding a top link to University of Michigan? And likewise to Michigan State University? Thanks, GChriss < always listening>< c> 13:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
May I suggest adding that to the list of residential colleges? It's the only one of the (now) three that is missing, and arguably at least as important as James Madison. -- TauNeutrino 20:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
In the land grant college pages Wikipedians have said that Rutgers was the first Land Grant and that Michigan State was the Pioneer Land Grant and that Iowa was the first established after the Land Grant.
So, cleaning up the inconsistency is probably a good idea so it doesn't cause confusion.
Some Norwegian is harassing the use of Image:MSU Bronze Sparty 2.jpg in the Michigan State University article. He claims that a picture of a statue is a derivitive work, and therefore not licensable by the photographer. Fine. So I can't license it under the creative commons licenses, and I changed the licensing to Template:Statue... Unfortunately, he still takes issue with it. According to my Norwegian friend who apparantly is a defender of statues in his spare time, still is not up to fair-use standards. If anyone wants to help put him in his place, I would appreciate it.
I really don't understand people who troll around looking for things like this. It's rediculous. The image would still remain on wikipedia used in other articles even if it was removed from the Michigan State University article. And what kind of Michigan State article would it be without a picture of its' Mascot in it? GEeez. Some peoples kids. -- Jeff 14:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Michigan State University is not the only NCAA division One Program with national championships in football, basketball and ice hockey. The University of Michigan also has had national championships in Ice Hockey(1998), football (1997) and basketball (1989)
Hey, just noticed that the reference to the Ruckus service, which is a service MSU uses to encourage students to stop stealing music, was removed for being advertising. I'm not really comfortable with removing it. I think we'd be better served by mentioning the service, why MSU made the deal, its strengths and weaknesses, and its popularity with students. There was a specific reason MSU agreed to the deal, and it's because of another campus-related issue. Let's find a way to address that issue rather than ignoring it. - Stick Fig 22:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I found Corner blitz via the random article feature, and thought it might need to be included in this article as a link or a merge. -- VGF11 02:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Every few months someone tries to insert these same lines into the main article, often in inappropriate places. I think either a new artcle should be created around these events and somehow linked to the article, or should be omitted altogether due to the increasing size of the article. AStudent 00:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
In recent years, " town and gown" relations have soured as students and permanent residents looked at each other with increasing hostility. Tensions worsened when East Lansing erupted in riots in 1997, [1] and 1998. [2] [3] The most recent disturbance occurred on April 2 2005, after MSU's defeat to North Carolina in the 2005 men's basketball Final Four. [4] Officially deemed a "civil disturbance" rather than a riot, the incident sparked a debate over police brutality in East Lansing, which has yet to be resolved. Despite the damage to MSU's image, the University looks to improve its academic reputation in the 21st century
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Good to see you took the liberty of changing that without a comment. The second one is not only a closer vantage point, it has a better resolution. The larger the image does not mean higher resolution. The only photo that looks good on this entire page is the autumn leaves walkway image. The other photos were obviously taken by an inexperienced photographer and a poor lens. I have some photos that I am going to replace on this page. —Preceding
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MSU's study abroad program is the largest of any single-campus university in the United States with 2,461 students studying abroad in 2004–2005 in over 60 countries on all continents, including Antarctica.
Is that quote truly a "ranking" shouldn't that phrase go under student life or the top paragraph of the academics section Oldag07 Oldag07 ( talk) 15:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I propose to merge Associated Students of Michigan State University, which is the MSU student government, into the Student Life section of this article. Once the unsourced facts and original research are removed, there will not be enough to sustain an article. Therefore, I propose that the remaining information is merged into this article.-- RedShiftPA ( talk) 23:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
From an outsiders standpoint this article is becoming very long, I suggest the following changes:
1) Remove the three sections on football, basketball, and hockey and replace them with links to separate pages under the "athletics" heading.
2) Remove the list of "famous alumni" and replace it with a link to a list.
3) Remove the 19/20/21st century famous people and merge it with #3
4) Remove the years MSU won titles from the introduction, most people want basic information (name, location, program, brief history) in the introduction not a sports resume.
5) Update the endowment link, seems to be a few years old.
24.233.142.246 ( talk) 06:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The following statement: [ It is considered to be one of America's Public Ivy universities, which recognizes top public research universities in the United States.] has no business in an encyclopedia article. First of all, "it is considered" doesn't mean anything. Second of all, Michigan State is not on par with schools like Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, UCLA, Berkeley, Washington...sorry MSU, you're just not that. I realize some guy wrote a book where he included half the public schools in the country on this list, but it doesn't belong here. MSU is a great school, but the introduction sounds like it was written by the university's PR department and it cherry picks from all available "rankings" of MSU. I nominate that sentence for removal and the paragraph for a bit of "neutralization." Tjm402 ( talk) 17:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I completely disagree and VOTE AGAINST Tjm402’s proposal and that the statement that MSU is recognized as a Public Ivy should REMAIN. Your claim the statement is non-neutral and, somehow, booster-ism is totally specious given the fact that the statement is fully attributed and footnoted. Fact is, whether you with the Greene Brother’s several-years-old Green Guide, it is a mass-market book and widely recognized by academics and the public alike as singling out the top flagship state universities of America – MSU happens to be among them. Just because you don’t like the Greenes’ conclusion, doesn’t mean we should kneel to your wishes and take it out. Fact is, a number of colleges use the “Public Ivy” reference, and some don’t even bother to attribute it as the Michigan State article did. Your comment that MSU “isn’t that” in reference to schools, you believe, are a league above MSU reveals (to me, at least) you have an anti-MSU agenda and not some desire for objectivity in the article. 69.249.236.166 ( talk) 03:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
To whomever writes above from IP 69.249.236.166: First of all, I have no "anti-MSU" agenda. I have been researching graduate schools, and the introduction that I discuss above struck me as I described it - sounding like it was written by MSU public relations folks or something - and not as objective and encyclopedic. I expressed my voice, as is done here often, and don't expect anyone to "kneel to my wishes." I just find it kinda ridiculous that half the public schools in America with any kind of notoriety are now labeled "public ivies." While my "anti-MSU" agenda exists only in your head, it is clear that you have a pro-MSU agenda and are either a student or alumni. When these articles are written by students and alumni of the school in question, they often lack objectivity and aren't helpful to people trying to do comparative research. All I'm saying is that the introduction sounds subjective and not befitting a reference text, and I reiterate my assertion that [ it is considered to be one of America's Public Ivy Universities ] is a meaningless statement. If you want to say "The Greene Brothers guide regards MSU as one of America's Public Ivies," then you might have an argument as to the validity of the statement's inclusion but it won't change my claim that the tone in parts of the article is fundamentally biased and clearly written by affiliates. You can cite and attribute all you want, but if you cherry-pick your references that doesn't make something objective and neutral. And if you want to think that MSU carries the same weight in academic circles as Virginia or Michigan or Wisconsin or Berkeley - well you are entitled to do so but those rankings you seem to esteem so highly when you're cherry picking them in your favor would disagree with you there. But that is beside the point. Tjm402 ( talk) 22:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
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I assume that a local television report confirms it, but here ( http://www.wilx.com/home/headlines/28302079.html) confirms that on September 12, 2008 Mugabe was stripped of his honorary degree for human rights abuses. Mizunori ( talk) 19:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Which spartan appears in this photo:
reply on my talk page please - - The Spooky One ( talk to me) 22:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I note that this article doesn't appear to have any section dedicated to describing the organization and administration of the university. Per WP:UNIGUIDE, might we devote some space for the structure of the administration, current leadership, budget, relationship with a board of trustees, formal affiliations or relationships with other universities in Michigan, student and faculty government, endowment information, academic divisions of the college/university, membership in major consortium or other inter-university organizations, etc.? Some of this information appears to be haphazardly spread through sections like history, academics, and colleges. Madcoverboy ( talk) 14:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
The NACUBO list Michigan State Universty(#52) and Michigan State University Foundation(#169) in their rankings I'm not making this number up out of thin air. More over even in MSU's own budget documents they combine the two go to page 108 Endowment Assets at Market Value http://dev.opb.msu.edu/msuinfo/documents/dataDigest.pdf St8fan ( talk) 18:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but MSU's Office of Planning and Budgets does and if anyone is informed about the schools endowment they are, if MSU sees them as one I'm inclined to use the MSU's own numbers. St8fan ( talk) 20:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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Any editors of this article near MSU? I am looking for a photo of a fossil in the MSU museum. Contact via user talk and I will coordinate. Thanks! Go Spartans! TCO ( talk) 21:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
1. why is MSU the only college that requires a reference link for each alumnus? It is easy for anyone to check out the authenticity of each alumnus (or would be alumnus) listed. All this does is cut down on the number of famous alumni listed for MSU; way below what it should be and makes MSU look bad. Whoever came up with this idea (lovelac7 ?) it’s just plain goofy. 2. Athlete-alumni, on the other hand, are WAY over represented. Why, for example, should Eric Snow, who’s a career NBA back-bencher with several teams, be listed and famous people like Gloria Santona (McDonald’s general counsel), Scot Bales (AZ supreme court justice) or Charles E. St. John (famous early 20th Century physicist) not be listed!
Let’s get our priorities straight, people! … lovelac7… 69.249.236.166 ( talk) 08:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
3.Another question - who is this extra in the movie mentioned in the middle of a bunch of famous people? nathan hall was an extra in a movie? why is this in the article? 212.12.146.156 ( talk) 15:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
The recorded video of Professor William Penn in his class in September 2013 has received a lot of media attention. It has also received the attention of the President and Trustees of the University. To omit the subject would leave the reader of the article, particularly alumni and potential students and parents, with an incomplete picture of the school. My suggested addition includes both primary and secondary source material. It includes a link to a copy of the actual video of Professor Penn and video from a Trustee's meeting. It also includes secondary source material showing the nationwide attention this matter has received. I also think, imho, that the description I wrote was factually supported and took a neutral point of view. I propose that my revision 573514710 (same as 573448050) be reintroduced, unless someone else wants to suggest an alternative draft. 18 September 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.237.50 ( talk) 00:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I have removed this recent addition to the article. Instead of using a controversy section, we incorporate the info in the body of the article. In addition, I don't think this belongs in the article see WP:RECENTISM and WP:UNDUE. Thanks. Dkspartan1 ( talk) 19:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
What's so hard for you to understand? You have not proved there is consensus. It's up to you to prove it. You keep adding a controversy section when based on the links I provided, there is no consensus for it. Then you want me to work it into the article? Newsflash, I'm not here to do YOUR WORK FOR YOU. A couple of editors may be for it's inclusion, but that doesn't negate the fact that there are some who are against it. People who know how to edit would take that as a sign to bring the discussion to this talk page and gain consensus here. Have you done that? 2601:4:1500:C90:F4D1:ED24:48D7:29B2 ( talk) 01:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
There are numerous problems with this information:
1. How significant is this investigation? This is not a historic event. This investigation is no different than any of the previous Title IX investigations the OCR has done on this university. Those investigations are not in the article. Numerous schools have been investigated for Title IX violations in the past, can you provide a wiki article of a university where a previous Title IX investigation is listed? Harvard Law School and Yale University had Title IX investigations in 2011. That info wasn't included in their articles until after the investigation was complete, and only because they where found to be in violation. The fact that they are being investigated isn't notable. I'm not the only who thinks this info shouldn't be in the article. This discussion [8]. is about whether or not it should be in the lead, but it also touches on the topic of not including this info in a universities article at all. Do we know what the lasting effects of this investigation are? No, we don't that's why I consider it WP:RECENTISM and WP:UNDUE.
2. Controversy/Sexual Assault section
In the 150 year history of this university, the mere announcement of an investigation deserves it's own section? Why? Please see this discussion [9] about the topic. The announcement of this investigation is getting it's own section, yet previous investigations aren't mentioned at all in this article? Previous investigations of other universities aren't mentioned in their respective articles? And people think concerns about WP:UNDUE are a BS argument? How?
3. The only reason some are trying to add this info in the article is because the OCR changed their policy about announcing schools that are under investigation. Previously, they would only confirm an investigation if they where asked if there was one. Please see discussion here [10]
I'm happy to include the info in the article when discussion of those points are complete. 2601:4:1500:C90:AD64:FF25:BFFC:475A ( talk) 22:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
He's right, this should come out entirely. Its not noteable. Its also rather misleading since "investigation" in this case seems to consist of nothing more than being included on a list in a press release. The editor's failure to log his edit properly is not a reason for the content to stay in, and the warning he was given is excessive.
Djcheburashka ( talk) 17:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
User:Nycspartan and I have been going back and forth on the proper phrasing for the description in the lead of MSU as a "public ivy" and "top research university" - the issue is, I think, how sweeping the language can be given the sourcing. We have agreed that since there appear to be only two sources for what's a "public ivy" (the original 1985 publication, listing eight, and a later separate work adding 30 more including MSU), it's fair to say it "is described" as one of them. It's harder to pin down the nation's "top" research universities however and I'm not sure that it's accurate, on the strength of that single source, to make an unequivocal claim here. I think "has been recognized" or "has been described" is a little closer to the sourcing than "is recognized", which implies broad acknowledgment. Anyhow this discussion was unfolding on our own Talk pages and I figured it was better to locate it here. JohnInDC ( talk) 21:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I just realized now that JohninDC created this talk page about our minor edits in the introduction of MSU's page. I have cached the page as it was before I made my first edit a few days ago to show how much it has improved since, despite JohninDC's argumentative tone. It already has much better grammar, citations, and representation. ElKevbo, please provide other verifiable sources/prominent publications identifying which schools are "Public Ivies" before you state undue weight. JohninDC, how many public universities are in the United States? Let's start there. However, I have revised the page considering your concerns about the previous language. Also, JohninDC, considering your Wiki talk activity and combative tone, I'm beginning to think you are paid to skew facts on the internet according to an agenda. Is this true? I will find the source for telecommunication in the meantime Nycspartan ( talk) 22:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay, something is fishy here. I have just made an edit as follows: "According to Greenes' Guides, MSU is one of America's thirty Public Ivy universities, which are considered to offer academic quality comparable to an Ivy League institution.[7] U.S. News & World Report ranks the following MSU graduate programs in the nation's top 10: elementary education, secondary education, nuclear physics, industrial and organizational psychology, osteopathic medicine, and veterinary medicine.[8]"
Everything is clear and cited properly, but JohninDC keeps altering the language to obfuscate the facts and writing. There is clearly an anti-MSU agenda here. Nycspartan ( talk) 22:55, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Case in point, the above was just changed to the following: "According to Greenes' Guides, MSU is one of America's thirty Public Ivy universities, the Guide considers to offer academic quality comparable to an Ivy League institution.[7] U.S. News & World Report ranks the following MSU graduate programs in the nation's top 10: elementary education, secondary education, nuclear physics, industrial and organizational psychology, osteopathic medicine, and veterinary medicine.[8]"
How do we prevent this from happening? There is an obvious agenda here... Please provide your thoughts. Nycspartan ( talk) 23:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
@ Nycspartan:, drop the bullshit conspiracy nonsense and cut out the ad hominem attacks. JohnInDC has offered relatively minor changes in phrasing and you've responded with ridiculous attacks which won't be tolerated (or productive).
Concerning the Public Ivy statement in the lead, I'll be blunt since being polite and genial hasn't worked well: What evidence do you have that this is information that is so important for readers' understanding of this topic that this information must be included in the opening of this encyclopedia article? No one questions that the information is published in the two books and is repeated in various publications produced by this university and others focused on marketing and admissions. What is in question is whether this is information critical to our understanding of this subject. If you assert that this information is that important then please provide evidence. (And please note that I am not advocating removing this information from the body of the article, just the lead.) ElKevbo ( talk) 16:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Anybody have any thoughts on which MSU page(s) should have a link to African Studies Center, Michigan State University? -- Bamyers99 ( talk) 20:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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User:Bigtenhistorian made some edits to the lead. I undid them as too lengthy for a lead and seeming somewhat promotional. Bigtenhistorian thoughtfully initiated a discussion on my Talk page, which we agree is best continued here. I took the whole thing and copied it over, indenting one more level to make it easier to follow. Discuss!
First off, thanks for moving this discussion over to MSU's talk page. That was very kind of you. After reviewing the lead manual and thinking more about your comments, I now see what you're saying and agree with most of it. Here's my suggested draft omitting most of what you pointed out as unnecessary. It's much shorter, less dense, has less adjectives, and improves the current lead. Please take a look, see my comments/explanations below, and let's discuss. Thanks again for your help and expertise.
Michigan State University (MSU) is a public research university located in East Lansing, Michigan, United States. MSU was founded in 1855 and became the nation's first land-grant institution under the Morrill Act of 1862, serving as a model for future land-grant universities. The university was originally founded as the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan, one of the first institutions of higher education in the country to teach scientific agriculture. Following the introduction of the Morrill Act, the college became coeducational and expanded its curriculum beyond agriculture. Today, Michigan State University is the eighth-largest university in the United States and has approximately 540,000 living alumni worldwide.
MSU pioneered the studies of packaging engineering, hospitality business, plant biology, supply chain management, music therapy, and communication sciences. Michigan State frequently ranks among the top 30 public universities in the United States and the top 100 research universities in the world. The U.S. News & World Report ranks many of its graduate programs among the best in the nation including African history, criminology, educational psychology, elementary and secondary education, industrial and organizational psychology, nuclear physics, osteopathic medicine, rehabilitation counseling, supply chain/logistics, and veterinary medicine. MSU is a member of the Association of American Universities, an organization of 62 leading research universities in North America. The U.S. Department of Energy selected Michigan State to design and establish the Facility for Rare Isotope Beams, a $730 million research facility (set to be completed in 2022) to advance understanding of rare nuclear isotopes and the evolution of the cosmos. The university's campus also houses the National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory, the W.J. Beal Botanical Garden, the Abrams Planetarium, the Wharton Center for Performing Arts, the Broad Art Museum, and the largest residence hall system in the country.
The Michigan State Spartans compete in 25 intercollegiate varsity sports in the NCAA Division I Big Ten Conference. MSU was the first NCAA Division I athletic program to have multiple national championships in both football and basketball, and remains the only school to have multiple national championships in men's basketball, football, and ice hockey.
The first paragraph flows better this way and only contains introductory neutral facts about the school's history and where it is today. The second paragraph adds music therapy and communication sciences to the list of studies developed at MSU. The school did not pioneer telecommunications. The next two sentences are about where it places in academics. Most schools similar to MSU are listed as "public ivies," but that is a bunch of hogwash in my opinion. Something should be mentioned briefly about its national and international standing, and I think this sentence is most lead-worthy and works quite well. I'm not a huge fan of listing the U.S. News grad programs here, but it seems others prefer them. Perhaps changing it to a really brief sentence like "The U.S. News & World Report ranks many of its graduate programs among the best in the nation" would be more appropriate? The next two sentences in this paragraph highlight its research activity. Other schools are listing the AAU in their leads, which makes sense to show the how the school is classified research-wise. The next sentence is about the Facility of Rare Isotopes. I think this should be included in any introduction to this university as it will drastically impact the school's research activities and direction in the future. The last sentence in this paragraph summarizes what other major facilities are on its campus, which aligns with most other university leads.
The last paragraph is a brief two sentences about its athletics. The first sentence is an intro to their name and division/conference. The last sentence presents two major facts about the program instead of listing out years of multiple championships in different sports as the current lead improperly does. Bigtenhistorian ( talk) 19:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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I've just created the article, anyone with interest in MSU have a look and see if I got it right..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 23:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
This section isn't much more than a haphazard laundry list of alums of varying interest and importance - it's cluttery, not attractive or intriguing in the least, and I plan to whittle it down substantially and, to the extent that I can do it, try to fashion it all into prose that someone might actually care to read. I'll make sure that anyone I remove is represented at List of Michigan State University people, which is really where most of this material belongs. Comments welcome. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 22:47, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
An IP (apparently the same person) has for the past several months been removing a couple of paragraphs about a federal investigation into MSU (along with several other schools) for possible violations of law relating to sexual assaults and harassment complaints. The material is pretty much always restored because the IP never discusses the matter at Talk, and there has been no consensus to remove it. (I was able to locate only one prior Talk page discussion about the material, here.) I've restored the material, again, because the IP doesn't seem to appreciate the need for discussion and consensus, and I'm raising it here because I'm tired of this endless slow roll edit war. So let's talk. Should the material stay or go? TBH I am not sure what happened in the investigation after it was announced in 2014, and if an announcement is all there is to it in the end then it seems, finally, kind of trivial. But I don't know and think that's one of the factors that should enter the discussion.
Have at it. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 14:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
There's some question whether MSU should be described in the lead as the first land grant college, or if it instead served as a model for the concept. MSU was founded in 1855 and the Morrill Act passed in 1862. I've restored the original text pending discussion here. What do the sources say? JohnInDC ( talk) 07:39, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for creating this talk page... Prior to enactment of the Morrill Act in 1862, Michigan State University was chartered under Michigan state law as a state agricultural land-grant institution (it received a land grant from the state) on February 12, 1855, as the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan. Michigan State University - as well as Penn State University, which received a land grant from its state for establishment on February 22, 1855 - provided the precedent and served the prototype for future land-grant institutions established under the Morrill Act of 1862. The Morrill Act was a federal program, enacted under Lincoln, that essentially granted land to establish colleges across the U.S. (mainly for ag purposes and also to extend public education). Both MSU and PSU eventually received benefits from the Morrill Act.
There are multitudes of sources, artifacts and documents to support the above and the specific assertion that MSU was the nation's first (or pioneering) land grant university on the web and in libraries. Here are some (there are many many more!):
1. A commemorative stamp honoring MSU and PSU's land grant history. The stamp reads MSU and PSU "first of the land grant colleges." Please note that their football teams also play for the land grant trophy on an annual basis to honor this history... https://arago.si.edu/record_145480_img_1.html
2. MSU sign at entrance of campus... http://research.msu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MSU-sign-scaled_0.jpg
3. Summary of this history found in this publication (Google books should allow you to view. If not, check library or buy on Amazon). Alexander, K. W., & Alexander, K. (2010). Higher education law: Policy and perspectives. Routledge.
4. McCabe, M. (2012). First in the Midwest: Land-grant universities changed the face of higher education, and three Midwestern states can claim historic ‘firsts’ in their development. The Council of State Governments. Retrieved from http://www.csgmidwest.org/policyresearch/1214-land-grant.aspx.
"But the region’s strongest claim to land-grant primacy arguably belongs to Michigan, where the nation’s first agricultural college was chartered under state law in 1855, seven years before the Morrill Act was passed. Like the schools that were later established under the federal act, the Agricultural College of Michigan, which later became Michigan State University, was initially funded through a land grant from the state. The Michigan model served as a prototype for the land-grant idea that was later built into the Morrill Act."
5. Clute, O. (1891). The state agricultural college. Bureau of Education Cir-cular of Information. No. 11, History of higher education in Michigan ,edited by A. C. McLaughlin. Washington, DC: GPO.
6. Greater Lansing Michigan Convention and Visitors Bureau. http://www.lansing.org/visit-greater-lansing/greater-lansing-history/greater-lansing-history-timeline/
7. Place, N. (2015). Land Grant & Sea Grant: Events Leading to the Establishment of Land-Grant Universities. University of Florida: Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences. Retrieved from http://ifas.ufl.edu/events-leading-to-the-establishment-of-land-grant/
8. The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica. (2008). Michigan State University. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Michigan-State-University
9. US News. (2017). Michigan State University. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/michigan-state-2290
Please continue this discussion or revert your undo within the next couple days. Thanks again. Skiptomylou420 ( talk) 08:56, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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I have a reference from 1898 ( Psyche v. 8 p. 198) that calls it Michigan Agricultural College, which seems at odds with this article's claim that this name was not taken on until after 1900. Not definitive, but suggests double checking. Jar354 ( talk) 01:37, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
The school was often referred to as Michigan Agricultural College by outside publications, but that was not its formal name. Since the Reorganization Act of 1861 which formally established the school as a 4-year-degree granting college, its name was State Agricultural College. Some references also referred to it as (The) Michigan State Agricultural College --in some cases you see both these references in the same publication as you often do in the annual State Board of Agriculture reports during this period. If you look at official publications of the State, such as the State Board of Agriculture reports and catalogs of the College, of the era, you will note it was referred to as either just State Agricultural College or the Michigan State Agricultural College. To further add to the confusion, campus students and some faculty preferred the name Michigan Agricultural College (or MAC), which you see on the uniforms of the school's fledgling sports teams of that late 19th and early 20th centuries... The State did not officially change the name to Michigan Agricultural College until 1909 and, by then, people were beginning to feel it should be Michigan State College (after all, the engineering program had been in operation since 1885), a variant of which was passed by the legislature 16 years later. -- Pulley12 ( talk) 00:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
This article is not adequately balanced. It fails to adequately cover how in retrospect, it was very foolish for the State of Michigan to allow MSU to develop into a full-fledged research university (the foolishness which Clark Kerr was trying to avoid in California by developing the California Master Plan for Higher Education). I have been reading some chapters of the Noverr book I pulled out of JSTOR and a lot of MSU's darkest moments are missing from this article, such as the 1980-1982 financial crisis and the closure of University College (which could have been avoided if MSU had stayed in its lane in the first place and stayed out of UM's way). As soon as I can find a really good source on how MSU's rise doomed both itself and UM to permanent mediocrity in the shadow of UC, I am planning to add that to the article. -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 05:40, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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Lovelac7, it seems a number of famous MSU alumni have been both eliminated or not included. Also I note we have the only alumni section that has every alumni footnoted. While I agree for clarity and exactness, which is what got both our main and history articles Feature status, I think this may going a bit far. I suggest we add the follow alumni who, if you check, are famous:
Edgar Anderson (botanist), Charles E. (or CE) St. John (astrophysicist), James W. (or JW) Toumey (botanist), E.J. Kraus (botanist).
These are all starred Scientist from 1943 and before (see link: http://books.google.com/books?id=4OvFHmwgghQC&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=%22franz+br%C3%BCnnow%22&source=web&ots=jiJjRju_Xg&sig=lraze2Wm4CoF2rh_DyhKMEjuyZ0#PPA248,M1 . There are others who I’ll suggest, later, but for now, I’d definitely include these.
Can we get a vote in favor? 69.249.211.107 18:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I note the MSU website's "Points of Pride" section lists the following:
"A ranking of Top 100 Global Universities released by Newsweek/MSNBC in August 2006 lists Michigan State at No. 62..."
I think this should be added, in addition to the other rankings. I'm just not great with footnote attributions, if someone might give it a shot. 151.197.39.235 22:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I adjusted a statement that the Izzone is one of the "most elite" to the most intimidating, mainly because I remember seeing an article stating just that. I cannot seem to find it, so if anyone knows what article I'm talking about please cite that statement in the Men's Basketball section for me. - EndingPop 18:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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Userbox with a public domain Block 'S' logo. To add it to your userpage, just add {{User Michigan State}} to your userpage. Enjoy.— Lovelac7 23:12, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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After a bit of debate ( part two) related to Pennsylvania State University and University of Pennsylvania, any objections to adding a top link to University of Michigan? And likewise to Michigan State University? Thanks, GChriss < always listening>< c> 13:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
May I suggest adding that to the list of residential colleges? It's the only one of the (now) three that is missing, and arguably at least as important as James Madison. -- TauNeutrino 20:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
In the land grant college pages Wikipedians have said that Rutgers was the first Land Grant and that Michigan State was the Pioneer Land Grant and that Iowa was the first established after the Land Grant.
So, cleaning up the inconsistency is probably a good idea so it doesn't cause confusion.
Some Norwegian is harassing the use of Image:MSU Bronze Sparty 2.jpg in the Michigan State University article. He claims that a picture of a statue is a derivitive work, and therefore not licensable by the photographer. Fine. So I can't license it under the creative commons licenses, and I changed the licensing to Template:Statue... Unfortunately, he still takes issue with it. According to my Norwegian friend who apparantly is a defender of statues in his spare time, still is not up to fair-use standards. If anyone wants to help put him in his place, I would appreciate it.
I really don't understand people who troll around looking for things like this. It's rediculous. The image would still remain on wikipedia used in other articles even if it was removed from the Michigan State University article. And what kind of Michigan State article would it be without a picture of its' Mascot in it? GEeez. Some peoples kids. -- Jeff 14:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Michigan State University is not the only NCAA division One Program with national championships in football, basketball and ice hockey. The University of Michigan also has had national championships in Ice Hockey(1998), football (1997) and basketball (1989)
Hey, just noticed that the reference to the Ruckus service, which is a service MSU uses to encourage students to stop stealing music, was removed for being advertising. I'm not really comfortable with removing it. I think we'd be better served by mentioning the service, why MSU made the deal, its strengths and weaknesses, and its popularity with students. There was a specific reason MSU agreed to the deal, and it's because of another campus-related issue. Let's find a way to address that issue rather than ignoring it. - Stick Fig 22:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I found Corner blitz via the random article feature, and thought it might need to be included in this article as a link or a merge. -- VGF11 02:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Every few months someone tries to insert these same lines into the main article, often in inappropriate places. I think either a new artcle should be created around these events and somehow linked to the article, or should be omitted altogether due to the increasing size of the article. AStudent 00:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
In recent years, " town and gown" relations have soured as students and permanent residents looked at each other with increasing hostility. Tensions worsened when East Lansing erupted in riots in 1997, [1] and 1998. [2] [3] The most recent disturbance occurred on April 2 2005, after MSU's defeat to North Carolina in the 2005 men's basketball Final Four. [4] Officially deemed a "civil disturbance" rather than a riot, the incident sparked a debate over police brutality in East Lansing, which has yet to be resolved. Despite the damage to MSU's image, the University looks to improve its academic reputation in the 21st century
Per the new resolution at Wikipedia:Featured topic criteria, the Michigan State University featured topic will be eligible for removal after 1 January 2008 if Michigan State Spartans is not improved to GA or FA level. You might also want to review point #5 of the featured topic criteria (no obvious gap) because the topic will also come under increased scrutiny at this time. Thanks.-- Pharos 03:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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Good to see you took the liberty of changing that without a comment. The second one is not only a closer vantage point, it has a better resolution. The larger the image does not mean higher resolution. The only photo that looks good on this entire page is the autumn leaves walkway image. The other photos were obviously taken by an inexperienced photographer and a poor lens. I have some photos that I am going to replace on this page. —Preceding
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MSU's study abroad program is the largest of any single-campus university in the United States with 2,461 students studying abroad in 2004–2005 in over 60 countries on all continents, including Antarctica.
Is that quote truly a "ranking" shouldn't that phrase go under student life or the top paragraph of the academics section Oldag07 Oldag07 ( talk) 15:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I propose to merge Associated Students of Michigan State University, which is the MSU student government, into the Student Life section of this article. Once the unsourced facts and original research are removed, there will not be enough to sustain an article. Therefore, I propose that the remaining information is merged into this article.-- RedShiftPA ( talk) 23:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
From an outsiders standpoint this article is becoming very long, I suggest the following changes:
1) Remove the three sections on football, basketball, and hockey and replace them with links to separate pages under the "athletics" heading.
2) Remove the list of "famous alumni" and replace it with a link to a list.
3) Remove the 19/20/21st century famous people and merge it with #3
4) Remove the years MSU won titles from the introduction, most people want basic information (name, location, program, brief history) in the introduction not a sports resume.
5) Update the endowment link, seems to be a few years old.
24.233.142.246 ( talk) 06:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The following statement: [ It is considered to be one of America's Public Ivy universities, which recognizes top public research universities in the United States.] has no business in an encyclopedia article. First of all, "it is considered" doesn't mean anything. Second of all, Michigan State is not on par with schools like Virginia, Michigan, Wisconsin, UCLA, Berkeley, Washington...sorry MSU, you're just not that. I realize some guy wrote a book where he included half the public schools in the country on this list, but it doesn't belong here. MSU is a great school, but the introduction sounds like it was written by the university's PR department and it cherry picks from all available "rankings" of MSU. I nominate that sentence for removal and the paragraph for a bit of "neutralization." Tjm402 ( talk) 17:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I completely disagree and VOTE AGAINST Tjm402’s proposal and that the statement that MSU is recognized as a Public Ivy should REMAIN. Your claim the statement is non-neutral and, somehow, booster-ism is totally specious given the fact that the statement is fully attributed and footnoted. Fact is, whether you with the Greene Brother’s several-years-old Green Guide, it is a mass-market book and widely recognized by academics and the public alike as singling out the top flagship state universities of America – MSU happens to be among them. Just because you don’t like the Greenes’ conclusion, doesn’t mean we should kneel to your wishes and take it out. Fact is, a number of colleges use the “Public Ivy” reference, and some don’t even bother to attribute it as the Michigan State article did. Your comment that MSU “isn’t that” in reference to schools, you believe, are a league above MSU reveals (to me, at least) you have an anti-MSU agenda and not some desire for objectivity in the article. 69.249.236.166 ( talk) 03:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
To whomever writes above from IP 69.249.236.166: First of all, I have no "anti-MSU" agenda. I have been researching graduate schools, and the introduction that I discuss above struck me as I described it - sounding like it was written by MSU public relations folks or something - and not as objective and encyclopedic. I expressed my voice, as is done here often, and don't expect anyone to "kneel to my wishes." I just find it kinda ridiculous that half the public schools in America with any kind of notoriety are now labeled "public ivies." While my "anti-MSU" agenda exists only in your head, it is clear that you have a pro-MSU agenda and are either a student or alumni. When these articles are written by students and alumni of the school in question, they often lack objectivity and aren't helpful to people trying to do comparative research. All I'm saying is that the introduction sounds subjective and not befitting a reference text, and I reiterate my assertion that [ it is considered to be one of America's Public Ivy Universities ] is a meaningless statement. If you want to say "The Greene Brothers guide regards MSU as one of America's Public Ivies," then you might have an argument as to the validity of the statement's inclusion but it won't change my claim that the tone in parts of the article is fundamentally biased and clearly written by affiliates. You can cite and attribute all you want, but if you cherry-pick your references that doesn't make something objective and neutral. And if you want to think that MSU carries the same weight in academic circles as Virginia or Michigan or Wisconsin or Berkeley - well you are entitled to do so but those rankings you seem to esteem so highly when you're cherry picking them in your favor would disagree with you there. But that is beside the point. Tjm402 ( talk) 22:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
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I assume that a local television report confirms it, but here ( http://www.wilx.com/home/headlines/28302079.html) confirms that on September 12, 2008 Mugabe was stripped of his honorary degree for human rights abuses. Mizunori ( talk) 19:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Which spartan appears in this photo:
reply on my talk page please - - The Spooky One ( talk to me) 22:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
I note that this article doesn't appear to have any section dedicated to describing the organization and administration of the university. Per WP:UNIGUIDE, might we devote some space for the structure of the administration, current leadership, budget, relationship with a board of trustees, formal affiliations or relationships with other universities in Michigan, student and faculty government, endowment information, academic divisions of the college/university, membership in major consortium or other inter-university organizations, etc.? Some of this information appears to be haphazardly spread through sections like history, academics, and colleges. Madcoverboy ( talk) 14:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
The NACUBO list Michigan State Universty(#52) and Michigan State University Foundation(#169) in their rankings I'm not making this number up out of thin air. More over even in MSU's own budget documents they combine the two go to page 108 Endowment Assets at Market Value http://dev.opb.msu.edu/msuinfo/documents/dataDigest.pdf St8fan ( talk) 18:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but MSU's Office of Planning and Budgets does and if anyone is informed about the schools endowment they are, if MSU sees them as one I'm inclined to use the MSU's own numbers. St8fan ( talk) 20:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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Any editors of this article near MSU? I am looking for a photo of a fossil in the MSU museum. Contact via user talk and I will coordinate. Thanks! Go Spartans! TCO ( talk) 21:05, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
1. why is MSU the only college that requires a reference link for each alumnus? It is easy for anyone to check out the authenticity of each alumnus (or would be alumnus) listed. All this does is cut down on the number of famous alumni listed for MSU; way below what it should be and makes MSU look bad. Whoever came up with this idea (lovelac7 ?) it’s just plain goofy. 2. Athlete-alumni, on the other hand, are WAY over represented. Why, for example, should Eric Snow, who’s a career NBA back-bencher with several teams, be listed and famous people like Gloria Santona (McDonald’s general counsel), Scot Bales (AZ supreme court justice) or Charles E. St. John (famous early 20th Century physicist) not be listed!
Let’s get our priorities straight, people! … lovelac7… 69.249.236.166 ( talk) 08:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
3.Another question - who is this extra in the movie mentioned in the middle of a bunch of famous people? nathan hall was an extra in a movie? why is this in the article? 212.12.146.156 ( talk) 15:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
The recorded video of Professor William Penn in his class in September 2013 has received a lot of media attention. It has also received the attention of the President and Trustees of the University. To omit the subject would leave the reader of the article, particularly alumni and potential students and parents, with an incomplete picture of the school. My suggested addition includes both primary and secondary source material. It includes a link to a copy of the actual video of Professor Penn and video from a Trustee's meeting. It also includes secondary source material showing the nationwide attention this matter has received. I also think, imho, that the description I wrote was factually supported and took a neutral point of view. I propose that my revision 573514710 (same as 573448050) be reintroduced, unless someone else wants to suggest an alternative draft. 18 September 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.237.50 ( talk) 00:54, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I have removed this recent addition to the article. Instead of using a controversy section, we incorporate the info in the body of the article. In addition, I don't think this belongs in the article see WP:RECENTISM and WP:UNDUE. Thanks. Dkspartan1 ( talk) 19:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
What's so hard for you to understand? You have not proved there is consensus. It's up to you to prove it. You keep adding a controversy section when based on the links I provided, there is no consensus for it. Then you want me to work it into the article? Newsflash, I'm not here to do YOUR WORK FOR YOU. A couple of editors may be for it's inclusion, but that doesn't negate the fact that there are some who are against it. People who know how to edit would take that as a sign to bring the discussion to this talk page and gain consensus here. Have you done that? 2601:4:1500:C90:F4D1:ED24:48D7:29B2 ( talk) 01:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
There are numerous problems with this information:
1. How significant is this investigation? This is not a historic event. This investigation is no different than any of the previous Title IX investigations the OCR has done on this university. Those investigations are not in the article. Numerous schools have been investigated for Title IX violations in the past, can you provide a wiki article of a university where a previous Title IX investigation is listed? Harvard Law School and Yale University had Title IX investigations in 2011. That info wasn't included in their articles until after the investigation was complete, and only because they where found to be in violation. The fact that they are being investigated isn't notable. I'm not the only who thinks this info shouldn't be in the article. This discussion [8]. is about whether or not it should be in the lead, but it also touches on the topic of not including this info in a universities article at all. Do we know what the lasting effects of this investigation are? No, we don't that's why I consider it WP:RECENTISM and WP:UNDUE.
2. Controversy/Sexual Assault section
In the 150 year history of this university, the mere announcement of an investigation deserves it's own section? Why? Please see this discussion [9] about the topic. The announcement of this investigation is getting it's own section, yet previous investigations aren't mentioned at all in this article? Previous investigations of other universities aren't mentioned in their respective articles? And people think concerns about WP:UNDUE are a BS argument? How?
3. The only reason some are trying to add this info in the article is because the OCR changed their policy about announcing schools that are under investigation. Previously, they would only confirm an investigation if they where asked if there was one. Please see discussion here [10]
I'm happy to include the info in the article when discussion of those points are complete. 2601:4:1500:C90:AD64:FF25:BFFC:475A ( talk) 22:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
He's right, this should come out entirely. Its not noteable. Its also rather misleading since "investigation" in this case seems to consist of nothing more than being included on a list in a press release. The editor's failure to log his edit properly is not a reason for the content to stay in, and the warning he was given is excessive.
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User:Nycspartan and I have been going back and forth on the proper phrasing for the description in the lead of MSU as a "public ivy" and "top research university" - the issue is, I think, how sweeping the language can be given the sourcing. We have agreed that since there appear to be only two sources for what's a "public ivy" (the original 1985 publication, listing eight, and a later separate work adding 30 more including MSU), it's fair to say it "is described" as one of them. It's harder to pin down the nation's "top" research universities however and I'm not sure that it's accurate, on the strength of that single source, to make an unequivocal claim here. I think "has been recognized" or "has been described" is a little closer to the sourcing than "is recognized", which implies broad acknowledgment. Anyhow this discussion was unfolding on our own Talk pages and I figured it was better to locate it here. JohnInDC ( talk) 21:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I just realized now that JohninDC created this talk page about our minor edits in the introduction of MSU's page. I have cached the page as it was before I made my first edit a few days ago to show how much it has improved since, despite JohninDC's argumentative tone. It already has much better grammar, citations, and representation. ElKevbo, please provide other verifiable sources/prominent publications identifying which schools are "Public Ivies" before you state undue weight. JohninDC, how many public universities are in the United States? Let's start there. However, I have revised the page considering your concerns about the previous language. Also, JohninDC, considering your Wiki talk activity and combative tone, I'm beginning to think you are paid to skew facts on the internet according to an agenda. Is this true? I will find the source for telecommunication in the meantime Nycspartan ( talk) 22:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay, something is fishy here. I have just made an edit as follows: "According to Greenes' Guides, MSU is one of America's thirty Public Ivy universities, which are considered to offer academic quality comparable to an Ivy League institution.[7] U.S. News & World Report ranks the following MSU graduate programs in the nation's top 10: elementary education, secondary education, nuclear physics, industrial and organizational psychology, osteopathic medicine, and veterinary medicine.[8]"
Everything is clear and cited properly, but JohninDC keeps altering the language to obfuscate the facts and writing. There is clearly an anti-MSU agenda here. Nycspartan ( talk) 22:55, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Case in point, the above was just changed to the following: "According to Greenes' Guides, MSU is one of America's thirty Public Ivy universities, the Guide considers to offer academic quality comparable to an Ivy League institution.[7] U.S. News & World Report ranks the following MSU graduate programs in the nation's top 10: elementary education, secondary education, nuclear physics, industrial and organizational psychology, osteopathic medicine, and veterinary medicine.[8]"
How do we prevent this from happening? There is an obvious agenda here... Please provide your thoughts. Nycspartan ( talk) 23:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
@ Nycspartan:, drop the bullshit conspiracy nonsense and cut out the ad hominem attacks. JohnInDC has offered relatively minor changes in phrasing and you've responded with ridiculous attacks which won't be tolerated (or productive).
Concerning the Public Ivy statement in the lead, I'll be blunt since being polite and genial hasn't worked well: What evidence do you have that this is information that is so important for readers' understanding of this topic that this information must be included in the opening of this encyclopedia article? No one questions that the information is published in the two books and is repeated in various publications produced by this university and others focused on marketing and admissions. What is in question is whether this is information critical to our understanding of this subject. If you assert that this information is that important then please provide evidence. (And please note that I am not advocating removing this information from the body of the article, just the lead.) ElKevbo ( talk) 16:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Anybody have any thoughts on which MSU page(s) should have a link to African Studies Center, Michigan State University? -- Bamyers99 ( talk) 20:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
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User:Bigtenhistorian made some edits to the lead. I undid them as too lengthy for a lead and seeming somewhat promotional. Bigtenhistorian thoughtfully initiated a discussion on my Talk page, which we agree is best continued here. I took the whole thing and copied it over, indenting one more level to make it easier to follow. Discuss!
First off, thanks for moving this discussion over to MSU's talk page. That was very kind of you. After reviewing the lead manual and thinking more about your comments, I now see what you're saying and agree with most of it. Here's my suggested draft omitting most of what you pointed out as unnecessary. It's much shorter, less dense, has less adjectives, and improves the current lead. Please take a look, see my comments/explanations below, and let's discuss. Thanks again for your help and expertise.
Michigan State University (MSU) is a public research university located in East Lansing, Michigan, United States. MSU was founded in 1855 and became the nation's first land-grant institution under the Morrill Act of 1862, serving as a model for future land-grant universities. The university was originally founded as the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan, one of the first institutions of higher education in the country to teach scientific agriculture. Following the introduction of the Morrill Act, the college became coeducational and expanded its curriculum beyond agriculture. Today, Michigan State University is the eighth-largest university in the United States and has approximately 540,000 living alumni worldwide.
MSU pioneered the studies of packaging engineering, hospitality business, plant biology, supply chain management, music therapy, and communication sciences. Michigan State frequently ranks among the top 30 public universities in the United States and the top 100 research universities in the world. The U.S. News & World Report ranks many of its graduate programs among the best in the nation including African history, criminology, educational psychology, elementary and secondary education, industrial and organizational psychology, nuclear physics, osteopathic medicine, rehabilitation counseling, supply chain/logistics, and veterinary medicine. MSU is a member of the Association of American Universities, an organization of 62 leading research universities in North America. The U.S. Department of Energy selected Michigan State to design and establish the Facility for Rare Isotope Beams, a $730 million research facility (set to be completed in 2022) to advance understanding of rare nuclear isotopes and the evolution of the cosmos. The university's campus also houses the National Superconducting Cyclotron Laboratory, the W.J. Beal Botanical Garden, the Abrams Planetarium, the Wharton Center for Performing Arts, the Broad Art Museum, and the largest residence hall system in the country.
The Michigan State Spartans compete in 25 intercollegiate varsity sports in the NCAA Division I Big Ten Conference. MSU was the first NCAA Division I athletic program to have multiple national championships in both football and basketball, and remains the only school to have multiple national championships in men's basketball, football, and ice hockey.
The first paragraph flows better this way and only contains introductory neutral facts about the school's history and where it is today. The second paragraph adds music therapy and communication sciences to the list of studies developed at MSU. The school did not pioneer telecommunications. The next two sentences are about where it places in academics. Most schools similar to MSU are listed as "public ivies," but that is a bunch of hogwash in my opinion. Something should be mentioned briefly about its national and international standing, and I think this sentence is most lead-worthy and works quite well. I'm not a huge fan of listing the U.S. News grad programs here, but it seems others prefer them. Perhaps changing it to a really brief sentence like "The U.S. News & World Report ranks many of its graduate programs among the best in the nation" would be more appropriate? The next two sentences in this paragraph highlight its research activity. Other schools are listing the AAU in their leads, which makes sense to show the how the school is classified research-wise. The next sentence is about the Facility of Rare Isotopes. I think this should be included in any introduction to this university as it will drastically impact the school's research activities and direction in the future. The last sentence in this paragraph summarizes what other major facilities are on its campus, which aligns with most other university leads.
The last paragraph is a brief two sentences about its athletics. The first sentence is an intro to their name and division/conference. The last sentence presents two major facts about the program instead of listing out years of multiple championships in different sports as the current lead improperly does. Bigtenhistorian ( talk) 19:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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I've just created the article, anyone with interest in MSU have a look and see if I got it right..... Pvmoutside ( talk) 23:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
This section isn't much more than a haphazard laundry list of alums of varying interest and importance - it's cluttery, not attractive or intriguing in the least, and I plan to whittle it down substantially and, to the extent that I can do it, try to fashion it all into prose that someone might actually care to read. I'll make sure that anyone I remove is represented at List of Michigan State University people, which is really where most of this material belongs. Comments welcome. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 22:47, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
An IP (apparently the same person) has for the past several months been removing a couple of paragraphs about a federal investigation into MSU (along with several other schools) for possible violations of law relating to sexual assaults and harassment complaints. The material is pretty much always restored because the IP never discusses the matter at Talk, and there has been no consensus to remove it. (I was able to locate only one prior Talk page discussion about the material, here.) I've restored the material, again, because the IP doesn't seem to appreciate the need for discussion and consensus, and I'm raising it here because I'm tired of this endless slow roll edit war. So let's talk. Should the material stay or go? TBH I am not sure what happened in the investigation after it was announced in 2014, and if an announcement is all there is to it in the end then it seems, finally, kind of trivial. But I don't know and think that's one of the factors that should enter the discussion.
Have at it. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 14:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
There's some question whether MSU should be described in the lead as the first land grant college, or if it instead served as a model for the concept. MSU was founded in 1855 and the Morrill Act passed in 1862. I've restored the original text pending discussion here. What do the sources say? JohnInDC ( talk) 07:39, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for creating this talk page... Prior to enactment of the Morrill Act in 1862, Michigan State University was chartered under Michigan state law as a state agricultural land-grant institution (it received a land grant from the state) on February 12, 1855, as the Agricultural College of the State of Michigan. Michigan State University - as well as Penn State University, which received a land grant from its state for establishment on February 22, 1855 - provided the precedent and served the prototype for future land-grant institutions established under the Morrill Act of 1862. The Morrill Act was a federal program, enacted under Lincoln, that essentially granted land to establish colleges across the U.S. (mainly for ag purposes and also to extend public education). Both MSU and PSU eventually received benefits from the Morrill Act.
There are multitudes of sources, artifacts and documents to support the above and the specific assertion that MSU was the nation's first (or pioneering) land grant university on the web and in libraries. Here are some (there are many many more!):
1. A commemorative stamp honoring MSU and PSU's land grant history. The stamp reads MSU and PSU "first of the land grant colleges." Please note that their football teams also play for the land grant trophy on an annual basis to honor this history... https://arago.si.edu/record_145480_img_1.html
2. MSU sign at entrance of campus... http://research.msu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/MSU-sign-scaled_0.jpg
3. Summary of this history found in this publication (Google books should allow you to view. If not, check library or buy on Amazon). Alexander, K. W., & Alexander, K. (2010). Higher education law: Policy and perspectives. Routledge.
4. McCabe, M. (2012). First in the Midwest: Land-grant universities changed the face of higher education, and three Midwestern states can claim historic ‘firsts’ in their development. The Council of State Governments. Retrieved from http://www.csgmidwest.org/policyresearch/1214-land-grant.aspx.
"But the region’s strongest claim to land-grant primacy arguably belongs to Michigan, where the nation’s first agricultural college was chartered under state law in 1855, seven years before the Morrill Act was passed. Like the schools that were later established under the federal act, the Agricultural College of Michigan, which later became Michigan State University, was initially funded through a land grant from the state. The Michigan model served as a prototype for the land-grant idea that was later built into the Morrill Act."
5. Clute, O. (1891). The state agricultural college. Bureau of Education Cir-cular of Information. No. 11, History of higher education in Michigan ,edited by A. C. McLaughlin. Washington, DC: GPO.
6. Greater Lansing Michigan Convention and Visitors Bureau. http://www.lansing.org/visit-greater-lansing/greater-lansing-history/greater-lansing-history-timeline/
7. Place, N. (2015). Land Grant & Sea Grant: Events Leading to the Establishment of Land-Grant Universities. University of Florida: Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences. Retrieved from http://ifas.ufl.edu/events-leading-to-the-establishment-of-land-grant/
8. The Editors of Encyclopædia Britannica. (2008). Michigan State University. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Michigan-State-University
9. US News. (2017). Michigan State University. http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/michigan-state-2290
Please continue this discussion or revert your undo within the next couple days. Thanks again. Skiptomylou420 ( talk) 08:56, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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I have a reference from 1898 ( Psyche v. 8 p. 198) that calls it Michigan Agricultural College, which seems at odds with this article's claim that this name was not taken on until after 1900. Not definitive, but suggests double checking. Jar354 ( talk) 01:37, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
The school was often referred to as Michigan Agricultural College by outside publications, but that was not its formal name. Since the Reorganization Act of 1861 which formally established the school as a 4-year-degree granting college, its name was State Agricultural College. Some references also referred to it as (The) Michigan State Agricultural College --in some cases you see both these references in the same publication as you often do in the annual State Board of Agriculture reports during this period. If you look at official publications of the State, such as the State Board of Agriculture reports and catalogs of the College, of the era, you will note it was referred to as either just State Agricultural College or the Michigan State Agricultural College. To further add to the confusion, campus students and some faculty preferred the name Michigan Agricultural College (or MAC), which you see on the uniforms of the school's fledgling sports teams of that late 19th and early 20th centuries... The State did not officially change the name to Michigan Agricultural College until 1909 and, by then, people were beginning to feel it should be Michigan State College (after all, the engineering program had been in operation since 1885), a variant of which was passed by the legislature 16 years later. -- Pulley12 ( talk) 00:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
This article is not adequately balanced. It fails to adequately cover how in retrospect, it was very foolish for the State of Michigan to allow MSU to develop into a full-fledged research university (the foolishness which Clark Kerr was trying to avoid in California by developing the California Master Plan for Higher Education). I have been reading some chapters of the Noverr book I pulled out of JSTOR and a lot of MSU's darkest moments are missing from this article, such as the 1980-1982 financial crisis and the closure of University College (which could have been avoided if MSU had stayed in its lane in the first place and stayed out of UM's way). As soon as I can find a really good source on how MSU's rise doomed both itself and UM to permanent mediocrity in the shadow of UC, I am planning to add that to the article. -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 05:40, 2 November 2022 (UTC)