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Why is her name translated into Chinese characters? She is a natural born US citizen.-- JOJ Hutton 02:13, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, kids, if her parents gave her a Chinese middle name it is part of name -- regardless of her citizenship. If you do a minimal amount of research you will find that many people of Chinese ancestry born in the United States have Chinese middle names. You will also find that many people of Japanese ancestry born in the United States have Japanese middle names. You will probably also find many European-Americans who have middle names that reflect their ancestry and/or ethnicity. In cases where a person's is not originally spelled in Roman lettering -- be the original script Chinese characters, Japanese characters, Greek, Cyrilic, Arabic, Hindi, Thai, Mongolian or whatever -- it is useful to spell it in the original script/characters as well as in English. { 71.22.47.232 ( talk) 07:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)}
I'm going to point out that WP:BLP comes into this. The use of the Chinese characters certainly has been contested, which means it needs to be sourced. In order to include the data, someone needs to provide a source showing that it is a name she has used in some way.— Kww( talk) 11:14, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Several editors are modifying this article to claim Kwan as a diplomat based on Biden's announcement of his intent to nominate her as ambassador to Belize. There are a few things to keep in mind here, though.
She's not ambassador until Senate confirmation and swearing. I expect that some of the editors here are coming from the figure-skating side of her career and may not be up on the requirements to become an ambassador, but the person must first be nominated; then the nomination must be confirmed in the US Senate; and then, finally, she must take the oath of office. Until all three of those are done, she does not have the position.
First, she has not yet been nominated. The announcement is of Biden's intent to nominate her. He still needs to make the nomination formal, i.e., put it in writing and formally transmit that to the Senate. There have been cases in the past where the intent to make a particular nomination has been announced, but the nomination actually never happens. And in any case it can be weeks or months between the announcement of the intent to nominate and the formal nomination itself.
This is accurately reflected in the article as I type this:
More to the point, as of now, the following statement, and others like it, that have been added to the article is false:
Biden has not yet nominated her; he has announced his intent to nominate her.
Second, unless and until the Senate confirms her, she cannot take the position. This normally takes a month or two.
Finally, once the Senate confirms her, she must be sworn into the office. This is usually (but not always) a short time after confirmation; often on the same day. Still, it's not official until sworn. Unlikely as it would be, it's possible for a nominee to be confirmed, and then despite that not take the job (though I don't know of any such cases offhand, at least other than in the early days of the republic).
For comparison, consider the nomination of Michelle K. Lee to be head of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Obama announced his intent to nominate her on October 17, 2014. He did not actually nominate her until November 11, more than three weeks later. Her confirmation did not come about until March 9, three months after that. In fact, because of a change in Congress (which is not going to happen at the end of an odd-numbered year like 2021), Obama had to re-nominate her, but even accounting for that, there was a six-week gap between that renomination and her confirmation. Finally, Lee did not take the office for another week: she was sworn in on February 12.
So please, let's not jump the gun here. Do not edit the article to say Kwan has been nominated until she has been nominated. Do not edit the article to say she has taken office until she has taken office. It's certainly worthwhile to mention some of the intermediate steps: her appearance at her confirmation hearing; a vote and recommendation for confirmation by the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations; and of course, any confirmation by the Senate herself. But let's not put her down for being nominated until she's nominated; or for having the job before she has the job. TJRC ( talk) 20:52, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Update (Dec. 2, 2022). Surprisingly, it's been a little more than two months, and there's still no indication that Kwan has taken the position. I'm not sure why this would be (except maybe the logistics of pulling up stakes and physically moving to Belize, maybe).
I think what we need to reliably report that Kwan has taken office we need either a news report showing she's taken office; some release or similar from the State Department saying she's taken the office; or an update to something on
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Michelle Kwan, of California, was appointed to serve as the new U.S. Ambassador to Belize, Oct. 7.
Why isn't information about her being ambassador on her infobox? Normally if she were a nominee, that'd still be listed on the infobox. Now that she's been confirmed, I think it's a little overdue to add her ambassadorship to her infobox. 38.106.246.199 ( talk) 19:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
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Why is her name translated into Chinese characters? She is a natural born US citizen.-- JOJ Hutton 02:13, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, kids, if her parents gave her a Chinese middle name it is part of name -- regardless of her citizenship. If you do a minimal amount of research you will find that many people of Chinese ancestry born in the United States have Chinese middle names. You will also find that many people of Japanese ancestry born in the United States have Japanese middle names. You will probably also find many European-Americans who have middle names that reflect their ancestry and/or ethnicity. In cases where a person's is not originally spelled in Roman lettering -- be the original script Chinese characters, Japanese characters, Greek, Cyrilic, Arabic, Hindi, Thai, Mongolian or whatever -- it is useful to spell it in the original script/characters as well as in English. { 71.22.47.232 ( talk) 07:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)}
I'm going to point out that WP:BLP comes into this. The use of the Chinese characters certainly has been contested, which means it needs to be sourced. In order to include the data, someone needs to provide a source showing that it is a name she has used in some way.— Kww( talk) 11:14, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Several editors are modifying this article to claim Kwan as a diplomat based on Biden's announcement of his intent to nominate her as ambassador to Belize. There are a few things to keep in mind here, though.
She's not ambassador until Senate confirmation and swearing. I expect that some of the editors here are coming from the figure-skating side of her career and may not be up on the requirements to become an ambassador, but the person must first be nominated; then the nomination must be confirmed in the US Senate; and then, finally, she must take the oath of office. Until all three of those are done, she does not have the position.
First, she has not yet been nominated. The announcement is of Biden's intent to nominate her. He still needs to make the nomination formal, i.e., put it in writing and formally transmit that to the Senate. There have been cases in the past where the intent to make a particular nomination has been announced, but the nomination actually never happens. And in any case it can be weeks or months between the announcement of the intent to nominate and the formal nomination itself.
This is accurately reflected in the article as I type this:
More to the point, as of now, the following statement, and others like it, that have been added to the article is false:
Biden has not yet nominated her; he has announced his intent to nominate her.
Second, unless and until the Senate confirms her, she cannot take the position. This normally takes a month or two.
Finally, once the Senate confirms her, she must be sworn into the office. This is usually (but not always) a short time after confirmation; often on the same day. Still, it's not official until sworn. Unlikely as it would be, it's possible for a nominee to be confirmed, and then despite that not take the job (though I don't know of any such cases offhand, at least other than in the early days of the republic).
For comparison, consider the nomination of Michelle K. Lee to be head of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Obama announced his intent to nominate her on October 17, 2014. He did not actually nominate her until November 11, more than three weeks later. Her confirmation did not come about until March 9, three months after that. In fact, because of a change in Congress (which is not going to happen at the end of an odd-numbered year like 2021), Obama had to re-nominate her, but even accounting for that, there was a six-week gap between that renomination and her confirmation. Finally, Lee did not take the office for another week: she was sworn in on February 12.
So please, let's not jump the gun here. Do not edit the article to say Kwan has been nominated until she has been nominated. Do not edit the article to say she has taken office until she has taken office. It's certainly worthwhile to mention some of the intermediate steps: her appearance at her confirmation hearing; a vote and recommendation for confirmation by the Senate Committee of Foreign Relations; and of course, any confirmation by the Senate herself. But let's not put her down for being nominated until she's nominated; or for having the job before she has the job. TJRC ( talk) 20:52, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Update (Dec. 2, 2022). Surprisingly, it's been a little more than two months, and there's still no indication that Kwan has taken the position. I'm not sure why this would be (except maybe the logistics of pulling up stakes and physically moving to Belize, maybe).
I think what we need to reliably report that Kwan has taken office we need either a news report showing she's taken office; some release or similar from the State Department saying she's taken the office; or an update to something on
bz
References
Michelle Kwan, of California, was appointed to serve as the new U.S. Ambassador to Belize, Oct. 7.
Why isn't information about her being ambassador on her infobox? Normally if she were a nominee, that'd still be listed on the infobox. Now that she's been confirmed, I think it's a little overdue to add her ambassadorship to her infobox. 38.106.246.199 ( talk) 19:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)