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I wonder if this article shouldn't be at Prince Michael of Albany. His claims are bogus, sure, but this is what he is known as, and has written books as, and so forth. The article text's using Michel Lafosse first is fine, though. john k 19:40, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You are all being entirely unfair to Prince Michael/Lafosse, true he cannot prove his claims but it is also true that you cannot disprove it. I also feel that since he is the only pretender to the Scot Throne who champions Scottish culture and issues he should get at least as much respect as "King Francis II" as the Wiki calls Franz of Bavaria.
No, his claims are completely fraudulent. Charles Stuart never divorced his wife, and never had a legitimate son. The "evidence" that Lafosse presents to show that he did is laughable at best, and the narrative that he creates is basically nonsensical - there was absolutely no reason that such a legitimate heir would have been kept secret. Furthermore, the genealogy which Lafosse presents to get from this fictitious son of the Young Pretender to himself is equally ridiculous. See [1] for a thorough rebuttal of Lafosse's claims. john k 05:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
PROVE that the claims in the link you provided are true, you cannot prove it so therefore it the whole matter is still open to debate. The easiest and most noble thing you could do would be to just admit you don't care for objectivity or open mindedness and that will be that. SMS
Wiki doesn't call Franz of Bavaria King Francis II, it just mentions that Jacobites call him that - which they do. Wiki calls him Franz, Duke of Bavaria. Jess Cully 22:17, 7 September 2005 (UTC) Fair enough, I will concede the above point concerning Duke Franz. SMS
The burden of proof in claims such as this should really be on the person making the claim, don't you think? The fact of the matter is that Duke Franz's descent is documented and "Prince" Michael's is not; the evidence he has presented is sparse, to say the least, and his invention of the "European Council of Princes" - an organisation no European Prince except him has admitted to membership of - makes him a highly dubious source in any case.
Is there something wrong with the sizing of the image? ~ Dpr 06:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It seems that there was some confusion about Michael Lafosse's genealogy. It was said above that we cannot disprove his genealogy--this is simply wrong; we can. His father was a shopkeeper and not a baron, and his mother has no connection to the Stewarts, and lacks the last name he claims she had. Furthermore, it is well-documented that the male line of Stewarts died out quite some time ago. This is more than enough to realise that this man is a fraud. -Soquiligaoulo Chota There seems to be a bit of out of place hostility regarding the claims of Michael of Albany. Note that I refer to him by his legal name as a British subject, not his former name as a Belgian. I myself do not beleive for a moment that he is who he claims to be. However in all fairness there are a growing number of people and officials within various governments outside of the U.K. who do. In my mind, it is not the function of an Encyclopedia to offer opinion based on biased, wether founded or unfounded, it is rather to present the facts as they exist no matter how annoying those facts might be. His legal name is Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany, he is known as and often refered to as Prince Michael of Albany, both by private citizens and officials of the British government (although not every official), he has even been addressed to his person as "Royal Highness" by senior members of the British Royal Family. Do these facts make him a prince, not at all. However, perception is an extremely powerful tool, so powerful that as incredible as it might seem, Michael Lafosse, recreated as Prince Michael of Albany, might, just might, find himself sitting upon the throne of an independent Scotland. Historically, this would not be the first such instance of an imposter succedding at such ludicrous odds. In any case, whatever we think as individuals, the Scots will decide for themselves who this man is, and what if anything, he can offer them. PrinceImperial
I happen to agree with Prince Imperial about the narrow issue of page title. It is generally our policy to give people page titles based on the name they actually use. If this guy's legal name (by deed poll, or whatever) is Prince Michael of Albany, and this is what he always calls himself, and this is how he is best known in the world at large, it seems to me that wikipedia policies demand that we put his page at Prince Michael of Albany. The text of the page ought, I think, to demonstrate clearly enough to anyone that he is not, in fact, a prince. john k 06:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The "Order of St. George" cited in this article is a spurious or self-styled group, like the other "Orders" held by LaFosse. The citation here makes it look like a genuine Order has presented LaFosse with a genuine honour.
LaFosse's "Orders" are all self-styled. None of them qualify as a genuine Order of Chivalry. To be an Order in reality, an organization must be recognized as an Order by the country in which it has its headquarters, and must be headed up by a Head of State. None of the ones he holds meet those qualifications. His many falsifications call the other statements made on his website into question. 66.156.107.108
Apparently the earliest possible date for this particular "St. John order" is 1988, when the group from which it was apparently splintered was incorporated in Missouri. Ref. added to article. I note with interest that Lafosse was "invested" in this "order" at the same time as the president of Sao Tome e Principe. - Nunh-huh 00:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like to bring up the horrible bias against the subject of this article(whoever he really is). Claims against his position are incoherent, mostly stemming from the "fact" that the direct Stuart line became extinct some time ago, and the "Diverted Succession" is brought into play. Mr. Lafosse's claims and position are not properly laid out as they should be in an encyclopedic article. I am not well-read enough on the claims, positions, etc. of Mr. Lafosse, or I would fix the neutrality issue myself. - Genealogyman1066
(although not the Stewart clan).
I was always under the impression that, as a lowland family of continental origins (they shared a common male ancestor with the Earls of Arundel), the Fitzalan/Stewarts were not a clan. Our Scottish clan article, at least, implies that "clan" generally applies to highland families of Gaelic origin, although there are apparently some lowland clans - but also of Gaelic origin. I'm going to remove this statement unless somebody objects. john k 16:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The article, to be truly unbiased, could stand to be worded in a less condescending manner. It would also be good to mention that Mr. Lafosse, or if we go by his legal name as a British subject, Michael of Albany, cannot be conclusively disproven either. Please, please, be more objective. I don't mean to insult your article, only to point out that it is not objective. It is very easy to see that as it stands, the author is clearly attacking the subject it is written about. An encyclopedia shouldn't offer opinions, just facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.141.170 ( talk • contribs)
1."In summary, Lafosse's claims of royal descent are considered to be complete fantasy by every serious researcher who's investigated them.." There are several independant researchers, not affiliated with Lafosse or Sir Gardner, who are of the opinion that Lafosse's claims have merit.
2."and has since used the name Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany." It would do to mention that the above actually is the man's legal name in Britain. (It of course should be mentioned that he legally changed his name to the above when he naturalised.), as opposed to "also known as".
3."In 1998 he authored a controversial book (which many consider to be a fraud) The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland,.." It would be better stated "Some consider materials in the book to be fraudulent", or a complete omission of "(which many to consider a fraud)", as many do not.
4. "He also says he has been awarded the United Nations 2001 "Volunteer Service Medal" under the name "Albany".." He has. Though, he probably requested that they award it to him under the name Albany, as if he were noble. (Nobles quite frequently use this form of nomenclature, not to suggest he is who he says he is, though.)
5. "The "Noble Order of the Guards of St Germain" is another Lafosse invention.." This can in no way be proven, (to my knowledge), if it can, please demonstrate proof, otherwise re-phrasing it would bring the article to a more neutral point of view.
6. "However, the documents provided by Lafosse, contain severe discrepancies and aberrations from accepted and established history,..." Restating "severe discrepancies and abberations" to "contains much that is at odds with accepted and established history" or something like it would remove the harsh feel of the article, bringing it to a more neutral point of view. 68.191.141.170 08:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
More or less echoing the above, though written before I saw it: Looking at your points in order:
1. By all means, if you can identify a serious independent researcher who is of the opinion that Lafosse's claims have merit, we should name him/her/them. Who did you have in mind? 2. We can't mention that "Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany" is his legal name in Britain, as we don't know it to be the case. Can you provide a citation? 3. We can't leave out those who consider his book a fraud in order to accommodate those who consider only parts of it to be fraudulent. 4. Can you provide a citation (not originating from him, of course) for the award of the United Nations 2001 "Volunteer Service Medal" under the name "Albany"? If so, we can eliminate the "says". Yes, this is the famed "Miracle on 34th Street" maneuver that fraudulent royals/nobles are so enamored of, and won't mean much, other than that the U.N. is easily fooled, but if it's true then we should include it. 5. Those who study orders of nobility have no record of "The Noble Order of the Guards of St Germain" before Lafosse. 6. Actually, the documents provided by Lafosse, contain obvious impossibilities and peculiarities suggesting they are not genuine. - Nunh-huh 20:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to add to this that anyone with a knowledge of Latin that views the birth records put forward by this gentleman, as discussed in [2] would believe them to be a cut and paste job. The grammatical inconsistencies suggest someone copying and placing known words or names with no regard for the rules governing the declensions of Latin nouns. Consider this one "proof" of the source's veracity. majec
This article needs in-text citation. I imagine most of the material within it is lifted from the external links. Someone who is familiar with the pages - perhaps even the person who wrote the text - might be good enough to add proper referencing? I don't doubt for a second that the overwhelming consensus in publication is that Lafosse is either misguided or a fraud, but the article is written in very strong tones and needs to be fully cited in order to justify these tones. Nach0king 10:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Your article is an objective assessment of a truly silly subject. I do, however, wonder if it is worth including such an item when there have been countless pretenders of one kind or other throughout history; the subject could justify a whole encyclopedia of its own. In the past such people tended to have a harsh fate: I know of at least one pretender to the Scottish throne who was burned alive. I certainly have no ill-will towards this man: the worst fate I have in mind is that he marries the Grand Duchess Anastasia (or a descendent thereof)and rides off to Tir na nOg on the back of Shergar, and there read how the Earth is really flat, while he is being seranaded by Elvis Presley. Less charitable people might feel that he deserves the same fate as the Dook and the Dauphin in Huckelberry Finn.
Rcpaterson 23:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Via Brigadoon, of course. Jess Cully 01:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
As his legal name by deed poll seems to be "Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany" Lets just call him "Michael Albany" or "Mr. Michael Albany" or "Mr. Michael J.A.S.O. Albany". As we commonly represent middle names in this fashion - "J.A.S.O.", even his last middle name "Of". As for his surname "Albany", it's common enough
Make him get a Dna test
HRH Prince Michael Stewart - A Supporter's Opinion.
Contrary to the revelations on this webpage it seems 'The Prince' left Britain in order to support his dying Father in Belgium. It is possible his claim is perfectly valid and may be found in the records of French nobility. Owing to the Hanovarian occupation (after the '45) many of the ties between Scotland and France were severed. This may serve to explain why there is no record in Scotland of the third marriage between the Bonny Prince to Margueritte O'dea de Lussan Comtesse de Massillan and the reason why some say there is no evidence to support Michael Stewart's claim. Ĥ.
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This whole discussion has gotten mean-spirited and pedantic, what with Adam's harumphing over "bogus people". I am the first to admit that Lafosse is an imposter in that he in no way descends from the house of Stuart. However, this does NOT, I repeat, NOT in any way invalidate his status as a prince. If he is regarded as a prince by his supporters, and accepts and adopts the title, than he is de facto, though not de jure, a prince, albeit not a Stuart. Emperor Norton was indeed an emperor, because others recognized him as such, even if in an indulgent, pitying way. If he got his currency accepted by willing accomplices, he is an emperor in my book. In my book, this is every bit as legitimate as the aforementioned Duke of Bavaria and Stuart claimant, since neither Germany, Bavaria, or the UK officially recognizes ANY of his titles, either. These days, one does not need governmental powers to be a prince, even Elizabeth II is a mere figurehead. You may not, and indeed, need not, recognize these titles, but others do. I say this article should be titled Michael of Albany, and Emperor Norton must remain Emperor Norton. To say these people are not princes and emperors angers me, and is inaccurate. By all means, point out the holes in their claims (and even sanity), but acknowledge the titles as existing, even if you don't agree with them. I myself claim to be the Prince Corzich, and even if you don't agree, (you dont have to) it is petty in the extreme to refuse to acknowledge how I refer to myself, and how some others have referred to me, if even in jest. Who the heck is Adam to decide what is a "real" prince in an age where very little royalty is even recognized by their home country? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.226.12 ( talk) 01:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I have added a footnotes section, linked all inline references to it, and have removed the "uncited" tag as the article does have sources. If anyone would like to add back {{fact}} tags that would be fine, as long as they are attached to particular statements that seem suspect. That makes it easier to find agreeable citations, rather than trying to resource the entire article. Wjhonson ( talk) 01:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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I wonder if this article shouldn't be at Prince Michael of Albany. His claims are bogus, sure, but this is what he is known as, and has written books as, and so forth. The article text's using Michel Lafosse first is fine, though. john k 19:40, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You are all being entirely unfair to Prince Michael/Lafosse, true he cannot prove his claims but it is also true that you cannot disprove it. I also feel that since he is the only pretender to the Scot Throne who champions Scottish culture and issues he should get at least as much respect as "King Francis II" as the Wiki calls Franz of Bavaria.
No, his claims are completely fraudulent. Charles Stuart never divorced his wife, and never had a legitimate son. The "evidence" that Lafosse presents to show that he did is laughable at best, and the narrative that he creates is basically nonsensical - there was absolutely no reason that such a legitimate heir would have been kept secret. Furthermore, the genealogy which Lafosse presents to get from this fictitious son of the Young Pretender to himself is equally ridiculous. See [1] for a thorough rebuttal of Lafosse's claims. john k 05:01, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
PROVE that the claims in the link you provided are true, you cannot prove it so therefore it the whole matter is still open to debate. The easiest and most noble thing you could do would be to just admit you don't care for objectivity or open mindedness and that will be that. SMS
Wiki doesn't call Franz of Bavaria King Francis II, it just mentions that Jacobites call him that - which they do. Wiki calls him Franz, Duke of Bavaria. Jess Cully 22:17, 7 September 2005 (UTC) Fair enough, I will concede the above point concerning Duke Franz. SMS
The burden of proof in claims such as this should really be on the person making the claim, don't you think? The fact of the matter is that Duke Franz's descent is documented and "Prince" Michael's is not; the evidence he has presented is sparse, to say the least, and his invention of the "European Council of Princes" - an organisation no European Prince except him has admitted to membership of - makes him a highly dubious source in any case.
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It seems that there was some confusion about Michael Lafosse's genealogy. It was said above that we cannot disprove his genealogy--this is simply wrong; we can. His father was a shopkeeper and not a baron, and his mother has no connection to the Stewarts, and lacks the last name he claims she had. Furthermore, it is well-documented that the male line of Stewarts died out quite some time ago. This is more than enough to realise that this man is a fraud. -Soquiligaoulo Chota There seems to be a bit of out of place hostility regarding the claims of Michael of Albany. Note that I refer to him by his legal name as a British subject, not his former name as a Belgian. I myself do not beleive for a moment that he is who he claims to be. However in all fairness there are a growing number of people and officials within various governments outside of the U.K. who do. In my mind, it is not the function of an Encyclopedia to offer opinion based on biased, wether founded or unfounded, it is rather to present the facts as they exist no matter how annoying those facts might be. His legal name is Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany, he is known as and often refered to as Prince Michael of Albany, both by private citizens and officials of the British government (although not every official), he has even been addressed to his person as "Royal Highness" by senior members of the British Royal Family. Do these facts make him a prince, not at all. However, perception is an extremely powerful tool, so powerful that as incredible as it might seem, Michael Lafosse, recreated as Prince Michael of Albany, might, just might, find himself sitting upon the throne of an independent Scotland. Historically, this would not be the first such instance of an imposter succedding at such ludicrous odds. In any case, whatever we think as individuals, the Scots will decide for themselves who this man is, and what if anything, he can offer them. PrinceImperial
I happen to agree with Prince Imperial about the narrow issue of page title. It is generally our policy to give people page titles based on the name they actually use. If this guy's legal name (by deed poll, or whatever) is Prince Michael of Albany, and this is what he always calls himself, and this is how he is best known in the world at large, it seems to me that wikipedia policies demand that we put his page at Prince Michael of Albany. The text of the page ought, I think, to demonstrate clearly enough to anyone that he is not, in fact, a prince. john k 06:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The "Order of St. George" cited in this article is a spurious or self-styled group, like the other "Orders" held by LaFosse. The citation here makes it look like a genuine Order has presented LaFosse with a genuine honour.
LaFosse's "Orders" are all self-styled. None of them qualify as a genuine Order of Chivalry. To be an Order in reality, an organization must be recognized as an Order by the country in which it has its headquarters, and must be headed up by a Head of State. None of the ones he holds meet those qualifications. His many falsifications call the other statements made on his website into question. 66.156.107.108
Apparently the earliest possible date for this particular "St. John order" is 1988, when the group from which it was apparently splintered was incorporated in Missouri. Ref. added to article. I note with interest that Lafosse was "invested" in this "order" at the same time as the president of Sao Tome e Principe. - Nunh-huh 00:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like to bring up the horrible bias against the subject of this article(whoever he really is). Claims against his position are incoherent, mostly stemming from the "fact" that the direct Stuart line became extinct some time ago, and the "Diverted Succession" is brought into play. Mr. Lafosse's claims and position are not properly laid out as they should be in an encyclopedic article. I am not well-read enough on the claims, positions, etc. of Mr. Lafosse, or I would fix the neutrality issue myself. - Genealogyman1066
(although not the Stewart clan).
I was always under the impression that, as a lowland family of continental origins (they shared a common male ancestor with the Earls of Arundel), the Fitzalan/Stewarts were not a clan. Our Scottish clan article, at least, implies that "clan" generally applies to highland families of Gaelic origin, although there are apparently some lowland clans - but also of Gaelic origin. I'm going to remove this statement unless somebody objects. john k 16:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The article, to be truly unbiased, could stand to be worded in a less condescending manner. It would also be good to mention that Mr. Lafosse, or if we go by his legal name as a British subject, Michael of Albany, cannot be conclusively disproven either. Please, please, be more objective. I don't mean to insult your article, only to point out that it is not objective. It is very easy to see that as it stands, the author is clearly attacking the subject it is written about. An encyclopedia shouldn't offer opinions, just facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.141.170 ( talk • contribs)
1."In summary, Lafosse's claims of royal descent are considered to be complete fantasy by every serious researcher who's investigated them.." There are several independant researchers, not affiliated with Lafosse or Sir Gardner, who are of the opinion that Lafosse's claims have merit.
2."and has since used the name Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany." It would do to mention that the above actually is the man's legal name in Britain. (It of course should be mentioned that he legally changed his name to the above when he naturalised.), as opposed to "also known as".
3."In 1998 he authored a controversial book (which many consider to be a fraud) The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland,.." It would be better stated "Some consider materials in the book to be fraudulent", or a complete omission of "(which many to consider a fraud)", as many do not.
4. "He also says he has been awarded the United Nations 2001 "Volunteer Service Medal" under the name "Albany".." He has. Though, he probably requested that they award it to him under the name Albany, as if he were noble. (Nobles quite frequently use this form of nomenclature, not to suggest he is who he says he is, though.)
5. "The "Noble Order of the Guards of St Germain" is another Lafosse invention.." This can in no way be proven, (to my knowledge), if it can, please demonstrate proof, otherwise re-phrasing it would bring the article to a more neutral point of view.
6. "However, the documents provided by Lafosse, contain severe discrepancies and aberrations from accepted and established history,..." Restating "severe discrepancies and abberations" to "contains much that is at odds with accepted and established history" or something like it would remove the harsh feel of the article, bringing it to a more neutral point of view. 68.191.141.170 08:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
More or less echoing the above, though written before I saw it: Looking at your points in order:
1. By all means, if you can identify a serious independent researcher who is of the opinion that Lafosse's claims have merit, we should name him/her/them. Who did you have in mind? 2. We can't mention that "Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany" is his legal name in Britain, as we don't know it to be the case. Can you provide a citation? 3. We can't leave out those who consider his book a fraud in order to accommodate those who consider only parts of it to be fraudulent. 4. Can you provide a citation (not originating from him, of course) for the award of the United Nations 2001 "Volunteer Service Medal" under the name "Albany"? If so, we can eliminate the "says". Yes, this is the famed "Miracle on 34th Street" maneuver that fraudulent royals/nobles are so enamored of, and won't mean much, other than that the U.N. is easily fooled, but if it's true then we should include it. 5. Those who study orders of nobility have no record of "The Noble Order of the Guards of St Germain" before Lafosse. 6. Actually, the documents provided by Lafosse, contain obvious impossibilities and peculiarities suggesting they are not genuine. - Nunh-huh 20:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to add to this that anyone with a knowledge of Latin that views the birth records put forward by this gentleman, as discussed in [2] would believe them to be a cut and paste job. The grammatical inconsistencies suggest someone copying and placing known words or names with no regard for the rules governing the declensions of Latin nouns. Consider this one "proof" of the source's veracity. majec
This article needs in-text citation. I imagine most of the material within it is lifted from the external links. Someone who is familiar with the pages - perhaps even the person who wrote the text - might be good enough to add proper referencing? I don't doubt for a second that the overwhelming consensus in publication is that Lafosse is either misguided or a fraud, but the article is written in very strong tones and needs to be fully cited in order to justify these tones. Nach0king 10:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Your article is an objective assessment of a truly silly subject. I do, however, wonder if it is worth including such an item when there have been countless pretenders of one kind or other throughout history; the subject could justify a whole encyclopedia of its own. In the past such people tended to have a harsh fate: I know of at least one pretender to the Scottish throne who was burned alive. I certainly have no ill-will towards this man: the worst fate I have in mind is that he marries the Grand Duchess Anastasia (or a descendent thereof)and rides off to Tir na nOg on the back of Shergar, and there read how the Earth is really flat, while he is being seranaded by Elvis Presley. Less charitable people might feel that he deserves the same fate as the Dook and the Dauphin in Huckelberry Finn.
Rcpaterson 23:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Via Brigadoon, of course. Jess Cully 01:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
As his legal name by deed poll seems to be "Michael James Alexander Stewart of Albany" Lets just call him "Michael Albany" or "Mr. Michael Albany" or "Mr. Michael J.A.S.O. Albany". As we commonly represent middle names in this fashion - "J.A.S.O.", even his last middle name "Of". As for his surname "Albany", it's common enough
Make him get a Dna test
HRH Prince Michael Stewart - A Supporter's Opinion.
Contrary to the revelations on this webpage it seems 'The Prince' left Britain in order to support his dying Father in Belgium. It is possible his claim is perfectly valid and may be found in the records of French nobility. Owing to the Hanovarian occupation (after the '45) many of the ties between Scotland and France were severed. This may serve to explain why there is no record in Scotland of the third marriage between the Bonny Prince to Margueritte O'dea de Lussan Comtesse de Massillan and the reason why some say there is no evidence to support Michael Stewart's claim. Ĥ.
This article continues to lack any referances. Despite a recent major alteration, we have simply shifted from one wording to another wording that still states the same POV. Referances need to be supplied for both Michael's claims and for the debunking of his claims. Please see WP:CITE for information on what makes a valid referance.
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This whole discussion has gotten mean-spirited and pedantic, what with Adam's harumphing over "bogus people". I am the first to admit that Lafosse is an imposter in that he in no way descends from the house of Stuart. However, this does NOT, I repeat, NOT in any way invalidate his status as a prince. If he is regarded as a prince by his supporters, and accepts and adopts the title, than he is de facto, though not de jure, a prince, albeit not a Stuart. Emperor Norton was indeed an emperor, because others recognized him as such, even if in an indulgent, pitying way. If he got his currency accepted by willing accomplices, he is an emperor in my book. In my book, this is every bit as legitimate as the aforementioned Duke of Bavaria and Stuart claimant, since neither Germany, Bavaria, or the UK officially recognizes ANY of his titles, either. These days, one does not need governmental powers to be a prince, even Elizabeth II is a mere figurehead. You may not, and indeed, need not, recognize these titles, but others do. I say this article should be titled Michael of Albany, and Emperor Norton must remain Emperor Norton. To say these people are not princes and emperors angers me, and is inaccurate. By all means, point out the holes in their claims (and even sanity), but acknowledge the titles as existing, even if you don't agree with them. I myself claim to be the Prince Corzich, and even if you don't agree, (you dont have to) it is petty in the extreme to refuse to acknowledge how I refer to myself, and how some others have referred to me, if even in jest. Who the heck is Adam to decide what is a "real" prince in an age where very little royalty is even recognized by their home country? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.226.12 ( talk) 01:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I have added a footnotes section, linked all inline references to it, and have removed the "uncited" tag as the article does have sources. If anyone would like to add back {{fact}} tags that would be fine, as long as they are attached to particular statements that seem suspect. That makes it easier to find agreeable citations, rather than trying to resource the entire article. Wjhonson ( talk) 01:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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