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Some sources say that in fact the tomb of Michel Aflaq was levelled. If so, it should be covered in article. [1] [2] -- Magabund 14:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The tomb is not leveled nor was the building destroyed - is was not even looted. I was there today and all is in order. FEB 8, 2006. Give me an e-mail address and I will send you the pictures from today.
P. McDonald
According to this website, it remains fully in tact. Though the author visited before the area was returned to Iraqi control. [5] I've included this as a reference for the current version. Bangabandhu —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC).
Right now there are several conflicting sources regarding the status of his tomb. There is the ( Asia Times), which said it was razed, and ( the New York Times), which says it remains in the Green Zone after it was returned to the Iraqis. Clearly there are alot of rumours floating around, and the ( Robert Fisk piece,) which is cited in the article and says the tomb was damaged, only sources his family. I am adding this ( reference) that has pictures of the tomb and deleting the Asia Times reference. Bangabandhu ( talk) 01:38, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
If this is reference to an Iraqi Architect, please make sure you are not referring to Al-Chadirchee. If so, you have misspelled the architect's last name please correct it!
A tomb was built for him in Baghdad designed by Chadagee that is widely regarded as a work of great artistic merit, unlike most of the Hussein regime’s creations
The assertion by « some…mostly Islamic fundamentalist propagandists» that Michel Aflaq’s mother was Jewish is preposterously ridiculous: frankly, it doesn’t deserve to be in a Wiki article
Aflaq’s father was a merchant of Christian Lebanese descent born in Midân, a multi-ethnic borough of Damascus His mother was a Greek-Orthodox Christian from the quarter of Saint Thomas (“Bâb Tumah”), the ancient Byzantine ghetto of the old city of Damascus
Aflaq was a staunchly secular modernist thinker albeit influenced by the Christian mystique of Dostoyevski to which he was exposed while studying European literature at the Sorbonne
This article still needs tightening and clarification. There are unqualified statements of fact that would not be appropriate for an encyclopedia entry, such as:
While considered an "ideological founder" of the Pan-Arab movement, Michel Aflaq had little connection to the governments that took power in Syria under the name of the Ba'ath party in 1963.
The original said he was "the ideological founder of the movement." Which movement? The Ba'ath? In this case, my interpolation of "Pan-Arab" may be incorrect. Please feel free to correct it. Is it accurate to say he was the founder of the Ba'ath Party? Is it a party or a movement? And so on, striving for accuracy. -- Mylitta 08:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
The Ba'ath Party article says he fled Syria and Iraq and went to Brazil. This article says he died in Paris, but effectively the narrative breaks off when he flees to Iraq from Syria.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 22:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Michel Aflaq was a muslim when he died even while he was alive there was very little Christian about him when he would openly advocate Islam and the embodiment of Islam with Arab nationalism. Now I might do this myself if I find time but somebody please upload a valid source that those in denial that still believed he was (or ever) a christian stating he was muslim convert upload it. There was a letter I heard he wrote in Arabic before dying confessing this. IF anyone finds the copy please upload it. I hate edit wars and I know if I added this to the article even with sources it will only result in one ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 14:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
anyone still believe he was a Christian or even secular is in denial the man had issues, Well I put a message here to avoid an edit war. The does exist I just need to find out or somebody who has a link to it. I think i heard his son knew about his conversion. Stating that Saddam Hussein fabricated the conversion is POV and speculation merely a rumour. To be honest i really dont think Saddam would of gone to all that trouble to fabricate a conversion of Somebody like Aflaq who already had Islamic sympathies while he was alive. Him being born to a Christian family doesnt mean he couldnt have changed his faith later in his life or that he had little loyalty to Christianity compared to Islam. (his own words & actions indicate this) Calling Arab nationalism secular is POV and subjective there is a strong arguement that refutes it as such. How is somebody who stated it's the duty of Arabs to fight for Islam, deemed secular? or how on earth does state that another religion is the greatest achievement over others. ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 17:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
That source alone indicates it allegded the conversion was fabricated nor doesnt prove. explain how I am soapboxing? from just pointing out what is already in the Article I havent touched this article (not in several months) so I am not sure what I am accused of. I posted to avoid an edit war and point some facts. ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 18:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not soaping go read in memory of the Arab prophet then you will understand that Aflaq was an Islamist symapthizer and ifused Islam within Arabism. ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 20:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Most, if not all, of the ISBNs in this article are incorrect. They should be checked. Mr Stephen ( talk) 20:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of how Aflaq and other Arab nationalists were greatly attracted to 1930s European fascism? Here's some sources for his admiration of 1930s European fascism due to their strident anti-Zionism and militaristic nationalism, how he wanted to use Nazi Germany as a model for postwar Iraq, his enthusiasm for Hitler, subsequent antisemitic riots in Iraq etc. [6] [7] [8] [9] — Filippusson (t.) 11:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
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Some sources say that in fact the tomb of Michel Aflaq was levelled. If so, it should be covered in article. [1] [2] -- Magabund 14:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The tomb is not leveled nor was the building destroyed - is was not even looted. I was there today and all is in order. FEB 8, 2006. Give me an e-mail address and I will send you the pictures from today.
P. McDonald
According to this website, it remains fully in tact. Though the author visited before the area was returned to Iraqi control. [5] I've included this as a reference for the current version. Bangabandhu —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC).
Right now there are several conflicting sources regarding the status of his tomb. There is the ( Asia Times), which said it was razed, and ( the New York Times), which says it remains in the Green Zone after it was returned to the Iraqis. Clearly there are alot of rumours floating around, and the ( Robert Fisk piece,) which is cited in the article and says the tomb was damaged, only sources his family. I am adding this ( reference) that has pictures of the tomb and deleting the Asia Times reference. Bangabandhu ( talk) 01:38, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
If this is reference to an Iraqi Architect, please make sure you are not referring to Al-Chadirchee. If so, you have misspelled the architect's last name please correct it!
A tomb was built for him in Baghdad designed by Chadagee that is widely regarded as a work of great artistic merit, unlike most of the Hussein regime’s creations
The assertion by « some…mostly Islamic fundamentalist propagandists» that Michel Aflaq’s mother was Jewish is preposterously ridiculous: frankly, it doesn’t deserve to be in a Wiki article
Aflaq’s father was a merchant of Christian Lebanese descent born in Midân, a multi-ethnic borough of Damascus His mother was a Greek-Orthodox Christian from the quarter of Saint Thomas (“Bâb Tumah”), the ancient Byzantine ghetto of the old city of Damascus
Aflaq was a staunchly secular modernist thinker albeit influenced by the Christian mystique of Dostoyevski to which he was exposed while studying European literature at the Sorbonne
This article still needs tightening and clarification. There are unqualified statements of fact that would not be appropriate for an encyclopedia entry, such as:
While considered an "ideological founder" of the Pan-Arab movement, Michel Aflaq had little connection to the governments that took power in Syria under the name of the Ba'ath party in 1963.
The original said he was "the ideological founder of the movement." Which movement? The Ba'ath? In this case, my interpolation of "Pan-Arab" may be incorrect. Please feel free to correct it. Is it accurate to say he was the founder of the Ba'ath Party? Is it a party or a movement? And so on, striving for accuracy. -- Mylitta 08:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
The Ba'ath Party article says he fled Syria and Iraq and went to Brazil. This article says he died in Paris, but effectively the narrative breaks off when he flees to Iraq from Syria.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 22:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Michel Aflaq was a muslim when he died even while he was alive there was very little Christian about him when he would openly advocate Islam and the embodiment of Islam with Arab nationalism. Now I might do this myself if I find time but somebody please upload a valid source that those in denial that still believed he was (or ever) a christian stating he was muslim convert upload it. There was a letter I heard he wrote in Arabic before dying confessing this. IF anyone finds the copy please upload it. I hate edit wars and I know if I added this to the article even with sources it will only result in one ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 14:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
anyone still believe he was a Christian or even secular is in denial the man had issues, Well I put a message here to avoid an edit war. The does exist I just need to find out or somebody who has a link to it. I think i heard his son knew about his conversion. Stating that Saddam Hussein fabricated the conversion is POV and speculation merely a rumour. To be honest i really dont think Saddam would of gone to all that trouble to fabricate a conversion of Somebody like Aflaq who already had Islamic sympathies while he was alive. Him being born to a Christian family doesnt mean he couldnt have changed his faith later in his life or that he had little loyalty to Christianity compared to Islam. (his own words & actions indicate this) Calling Arab nationalism secular is POV and subjective there is a strong arguement that refutes it as such. How is somebody who stated it's the duty of Arabs to fight for Islam, deemed secular? or how on earth does state that another religion is the greatest achievement over others. ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 17:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
That source alone indicates it allegded the conversion was fabricated nor doesnt prove. explain how I am soapboxing? from just pointing out what is already in the Article I havent touched this article (not in several months) so I am not sure what I am accused of. I posted to avoid an edit war and point some facts. ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 18:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not soaping go read in memory of the Arab prophet then you will understand that Aflaq was an Islamist symapthizer and ifused Islam within Arabism. ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 20:45, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Most, if not all, of the ISBNs in this article are incorrect. They should be checked. Mr Stephen ( talk) 20:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of how Aflaq and other Arab nationalists were greatly attracted to 1930s European fascism? Here's some sources for his admiration of 1930s European fascism due to their strident anti-Zionism and militaristic nationalism, how he wanted to use Nazi Germany as a model for postwar Iraq, his enthusiasm for Hitler, subsequent antisemitic riots in Iraq etc. [6] [7] [8] [9] — Filippusson (t.) 11:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
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