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Modern Greece as a country is made up from different people, else than Hellenes, who contributed to her development (Arvanites, Slavs, Vlachs, Romaniotes, Gypsies and others) therefore they are GREEKS just for the fact they hail from GREECE. It does not necessary mean to be from HELLENIC race or stock.
Mike Zigomanis' family comes from Kastoria (Kostur) and they immigrated to Canada with Greek passport, and were labelled like Greeks by the Canadian authorities. As a matter of fact, they happen to be from Aegean Macedonian extraction, therefore they are Greeks by birth and Aegean Macedonians by descent.
The term "Aegean Macedonians" (Егејски Македонци) is the way Slavic speakers of the Macedonia region in Greece that in the past used to identify with Bulgaria and at present with the Republic of Makedonija call themselves.
No one is saying he is neither HELLENIC, nor a Slavophone Greek (which may induce the reader that he self-identifies with Greece). Just he is a Greek-Canadian with Aegean Macedonian descent. If his parents would have hailed from any place in today's Republic of Makedonija and with Macedonian passport he would certainly be a Macedonian-Canadian.
The defintion "Greek-Canadian with Aegean Macedonian descent" perfectly qualifies for his situation and is suitable for both groups. Both terms are perfectly compatible.
Let us leave aside useless staunch nationalist POVs, since they harm the scope and spirit of Wikipedia.-
Please feel free to comment this subject in my talk page. Periptero ( talk) 00:14, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
"therefore the term Aegean Macedonian seems to be the right one, without taking positions with neither of both sides" - utter nonsense. with a wording like that, you take the FYROM side quite obviously (aside from whatever this guy is). a Greek equivalent would be calling a guy from South Albania a "North Epirote" and claiming you aren't taking the Greek side! clearly, you also know little (?) about Greece since you consider "Aegean Macedonians" and Arvanites together. no, Greek-American means someone who is American nationally but of "Greek ancestry" (i.e. his ancestors identified as Greeks) which excludes Skopjans (or Slav Macedonians or whatever you prefer) but includes Slavic-speaking Greeks and Arvanites
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I use the term FYROM in the Talk Page (never in the text) because it is up to now, the official name of the newly born state from the previous Socialist Republic of Makedonija within Jugoslavija. But of course, I do take sides in politics , but instead not in Wikipedia's articles:
Please, I also request everyone not to make any judgements about my "connaisance" of Greece or the Greeks, without knowing nothing about myself. I invite all those who are interested to go to my personal / talk page first, then make a conclusion. If someone has something to provide to me that may be useful, go ahead then. Else, these types of discussions are useless since it is not a forum. Periptero ( talk) 11:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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Modern Greece as a country is made up from different people, else than Hellenes, who contributed to her development (Arvanites, Slavs, Vlachs, Romaniotes, Gypsies and others) therefore they are GREEKS just for the fact they hail from GREECE. It does not necessary mean to be from HELLENIC race or stock.
Mike Zigomanis' family comes from Kastoria (Kostur) and they immigrated to Canada with Greek passport, and were labelled like Greeks by the Canadian authorities. As a matter of fact, they happen to be from Aegean Macedonian extraction, therefore they are Greeks by birth and Aegean Macedonians by descent.
The term "Aegean Macedonians" (Егејски Македонци) is the way Slavic speakers of the Macedonia region in Greece that in the past used to identify with Bulgaria and at present with the Republic of Makedonija call themselves.
No one is saying he is neither HELLENIC, nor a Slavophone Greek (which may induce the reader that he self-identifies with Greece). Just he is a Greek-Canadian with Aegean Macedonian descent. If his parents would have hailed from any place in today's Republic of Makedonija and with Macedonian passport he would certainly be a Macedonian-Canadian.
The defintion "Greek-Canadian with Aegean Macedonian descent" perfectly qualifies for his situation and is suitable for both groups. Both terms are perfectly compatible.
Let us leave aside useless staunch nationalist POVs, since they harm the scope and spirit of Wikipedia.-
Please feel free to comment this subject in my talk page. Periptero ( talk) 00:14, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
"therefore the term Aegean Macedonian seems to be the right one, without taking positions with neither of both sides" - utter nonsense. with a wording like that, you take the FYROM side quite obviously (aside from whatever this guy is). a Greek equivalent would be calling a guy from South Albania a "North Epirote" and claiming you aren't taking the Greek side! clearly, you also know little (?) about Greece since you consider "Aegean Macedonians" and Arvanites together. no, Greek-American means someone who is American nationally but of "Greek ancestry" (i.e. his ancestors identified as Greeks) which excludes Skopjans (or Slav Macedonians or whatever you prefer) but includes Slavic-speaking Greeks and Arvanites
87.202.45.156 (
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00:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I use the term FYROM in the Talk Page (never in the text) because it is up to now, the official name of the newly born state from the previous Socialist Republic of Makedonija within Jugoslavija. But of course, I do take sides in politics , but instead not in Wikipedia's articles:
Please, I also request everyone not to make any judgements about my "connaisance" of Greece or the Greeks, without knowing nothing about myself. I invite all those who are interested to go to my personal / talk page first, then make a conclusion. If someone has something to provide to me that may be useful, go ahead then. Else, these types of discussions are useless since it is not a forum. Periptero ( talk) 11:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
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