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This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because... it is ridiculously absurd to claim that I have copied information direct from the source. There are big and clear differences between the paragraph on my page and on the Liberal Party's page. They are worded significantly differently. You cannot say putting in true information about someone is copyright, because that information belongs to no one, it is just a known fact. You cannot say that it is copyright that I have said Sukkar attended Deakin and Melbourne and completed a Bachelor of Law and Commerce and Masters of Law. Just because I said it and the Liberal Part said it does not mean it is copyright. You cannot copyright known facts about people. I think it is an absurd claim to say that by putting facts onto my wikipedia page that is also on another website is copyright, as they are facts and cannot be copyrighted. Stop with the absurdity. -- Andreas11213 ( talk) 17:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
The edits being added by JoshuaBonney are entirely partisan and give rise to the strong suspicion Bonney (who appears to have created the page) is connected with the subject.
Reverting to the previous version. Garth M ( talk) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Update: Joshua Bonney appears to be this Joshua Bonney, who is Sukkar's spokesperson. He should be blocked from editing this page. Garth M ( talk) 00:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Suspiciously large slabs of government media release style text are appearing, along with staggeringly POV stuff making assertions about "vindication" etc. Garth M ( talk) 10:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
The only source given is Sukkar himself in the Herald Sun. If it's to be included it needs a more neutral description. Garth M ( talk) 02:43, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
First, a disclosure of where I sit. As I set out on my user page, I recently began work in the Federal Parliament. I get moved around a lot. And I've started fixing up little mistakes and problems I can see on lots of MPs pages. I've made edits and improvements to articles belonging to people of various political groupings. I've looked at the principles of WP, esp the stuff about biographies of living persons, and my view is if we can all stick to staying balanced and getting good sources, then lots of these articles will improve.
Second, about this article. Like a lot of current articles about Federal MPs, Green, Labor, Liberal and National, there's very little sense of what the parliamentarian in question is actually about. There's just a list of small controversies. I'd like to see it set out what the stages of the person's parliamentary service have been, what happened in each of the successive parliaments he served in, what initiatives he got behind. Then a big picture view of what his political outlook is. All the controversies should still be there, of course, but the context should be there too.
I think the best articles on parliamentarians, past and present, are the ones on Tanya Plibersek (super factual and clear), Marise Payne (though it needs some expansion on her views) and, probably the best one on a recent PM is Julia Gillard's. I feel we should be able to look at any wiki article on a serving parliamentarian and be able to get a sense of what that person is really about, what they are serious about, what they are trying to do. The Little Platoon ( talk) 04:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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This page should not be speedy deleted as an unambiguous copyright infringement, because... it is ridiculously absurd to claim that I have copied information direct from the source. There are big and clear differences between the paragraph on my page and on the Liberal Party's page. They are worded significantly differently. You cannot say putting in true information about someone is copyright, because that information belongs to no one, it is just a known fact. You cannot say that it is copyright that I have said Sukkar attended Deakin and Melbourne and completed a Bachelor of Law and Commerce and Masters of Law. Just because I said it and the Liberal Part said it does not mean it is copyright. You cannot copyright known facts about people. I think it is an absurd claim to say that by putting facts onto my wikipedia page that is also on another website is copyright, as they are facts and cannot be copyrighted. Stop with the absurdity. -- Andreas11213 ( talk) 17:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
The edits being added by JoshuaBonney are entirely partisan and give rise to the strong suspicion Bonney (who appears to have created the page) is connected with the subject.
Reverting to the previous version. Garth M ( talk) 00:09, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Update: Joshua Bonney appears to be this Joshua Bonney, who is Sukkar's spokesperson. He should be blocked from editing this page. Garth M ( talk) 00:26, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
Suspiciously large slabs of government media release style text are appearing, along with staggeringly POV stuff making assertions about "vindication" etc. Garth M ( talk) 10:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
The only source given is Sukkar himself in the Herald Sun. If it's to be included it needs a more neutral description. Garth M ( talk) 02:43, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
First, a disclosure of where I sit. As I set out on my user page, I recently began work in the Federal Parliament. I get moved around a lot. And I've started fixing up little mistakes and problems I can see on lots of MPs pages. I've made edits and improvements to articles belonging to people of various political groupings. I've looked at the principles of WP, esp the stuff about biographies of living persons, and my view is if we can all stick to staying balanced and getting good sources, then lots of these articles will improve.
Second, about this article. Like a lot of current articles about Federal MPs, Green, Labor, Liberal and National, there's very little sense of what the parliamentarian in question is actually about. There's just a list of small controversies. I'd like to see it set out what the stages of the person's parliamentary service have been, what happened in each of the successive parliaments he served in, what initiatives he got behind. Then a big picture view of what his political outlook is. All the controversies should still be there, of course, but the context should be there too.
I think the best articles on parliamentarians, past and present, are the ones on Tanya Plibersek (super factual and clear), Marise Payne (though it needs some expansion on her views) and, probably the best one on a recent PM is Julia Gillard's. I feel we should be able to look at any wiki article on a serving parliamentarian and be able to get a sense of what that person is really about, what they are serious about, what they are trying to do. The Little Platoon ( talk) 04:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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