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Newdow's doctorate and ordination both appear to come from the Universal Life Church, which will grant them to anyone no questions asked. [1] I don't think it's appropriate to use the titles "Rev." and "Dr." under those circumstances. Consequently I am removing them. (I'll grant that someone could be referred to as "Rev." if they were an actual Universal Life Church member, but as far as I can tell Newdow doesn't actually participate in the ULC in any way.) Elliotreed 04:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
i noticed in the personal area that he is concidered to be jewish and it is stated that he is of jewish back groud he being an athiest he has no right o be called a jew nor does have the right to be associated with the word jew or jewish this should be deleted as it gives us jews yet another blemish no that we dont have enough agaist us alread like antisemtism jews true jews beleive in GOD!! we are not atheiest we know who created us —Preceding
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I corrected several items in this section. I've been closely involved in this lawsuit and read every legal paper submitted by both sides and would be happy to provide references to any comment, and to include them in the article if anyone feels it's needed. Arodb ( talk) 01:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Please note a banned user operates a website which has no tie to the Michael Newdow. That website appears to be commerical in nature and has no business being listed in this article. Below is a list of spamming by that banned user adding in that link.
Should that link reappear please remove it without haste. Arbustoo 18:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I was interested to review his history and I was wondering what his political agenda was. It probably is not too cynical to call into question his honesty, given the nefarious behavior of the political machinery associated with the previous administration, and the lengths that the like of Cheney and Rove would stoop to advance their twisted views. For example, every time Micahel Newdow opens his mouth, the religious "right" gets lots of traction against the "..godless socialists running our country.." even if the Democrats in power are far from being any where near socialist (or even liberal or social for that matter), and are just as likely to cloak themselves in the mantle of organized religion.
In fact, I find it hard to believe that any of his actions are consistent with someone who has the drive, intelligence or conviction to be an emergency physician or a lawyer. (Regardless of what you think of the legal profession in the US, it isn't terribly easy to graduate from a decent law school as what most people think--of course it probably was a relief after medical school and residency, but still a lot more time and effort than most people appreciate.) His entire persona seems contrived to rub people the wrong way, and galvanize support behind the Jim Bakers and Jerry Falwells of the world
He is either a quixotic eccentric or, more plausible, a tool of the neocons and evangelicals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.99.19 ( talk) 03:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I could be mistaken on this, but I believe that primary sources are not allowed at Wikipedia. A brief glance at the reference section reveals that at least a third of the sources used are primary sources. Wikipedia generally frowns upon the direct citation of legal briefs, court rulings, press releases, etc. In other words, you just can't provide a PDF link to a ruling of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Furthermore, whoever edited this entry seems to believe it his job to point out what he believes is the faulty reasoning behind the rulings of various justices and judges. This is most evident in the Obama Inauguration section. Either the entry needs to be rewritten or secondary sources need to be used. 74.138.45.132 ( talk) 04:14, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I am of the opinion that changing "Religion: none" to "Religion: Atheist" in BLP infoboxes implies that Atheism is a religion -- an argument commonly put forth by fundamentalists in the form "Atheism is just another faith-based religion."
In my opinion, Atheism is not a religion for the same reasons that baldness is not a type of hair color, off isn't "just another television channel", and vacuum is not a kind of gas.
I brought this question up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 142#Changing "Religion = none" to "Religion = Atheist" on BLP infoboxes and got mixed opinions.
In the case of Michael Newdow, he appears to reject all religions, not just theistic ones, so there is also an accuracy question.
So, what should the infobox of this article say? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 23:05, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 18:09, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
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Newdow's doctorate and ordination both appear to come from the Universal Life Church, which will grant them to anyone no questions asked. [1] I don't think it's appropriate to use the titles "Rev." and "Dr." under those circumstances. Consequently I am removing them. (I'll grant that someone could be referred to as "Rev." if they were an actual Universal Life Church member, but as far as I can tell Newdow doesn't actually participate in the ULC in any way.) Elliotreed 04:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
i noticed in the personal area that he is concidered to be jewish and it is stated that he is of jewish back groud he being an athiest he has no right o be called a jew nor does have the right to be associated with the word jew or jewish this should be deleted as it gives us jews yet another blemish no that we dont have enough agaist us alread like antisemtism jews true jews beleive in GOD!! we are not atheiest we know who created us —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
209.37.4.38 (
talk) 21:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I corrected several items in this section. I've been closely involved in this lawsuit and read every legal paper submitted by both sides and would be happy to provide references to any comment, and to include them in the article if anyone feels it's needed. Arodb ( talk) 01:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Please note a banned user operates a website which has no tie to the Michael Newdow. That website appears to be commerical in nature and has no business being listed in this article. Below is a list of spamming by that banned user adding in that link.
Should that link reappear please remove it without haste. Arbustoo 18:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I was interested to review his history and I was wondering what his political agenda was. It probably is not too cynical to call into question his honesty, given the nefarious behavior of the political machinery associated with the previous administration, and the lengths that the like of Cheney and Rove would stoop to advance their twisted views. For example, every time Micahel Newdow opens his mouth, the religious "right" gets lots of traction against the "..godless socialists running our country.." even if the Democrats in power are far from being any where near socialist (or even liberal or social for that matter), and are just as likely to cloak themselves in the mantle of organized religion.
In fact, I find it hard to believe that any of his actions are consistent with someone who has the drive, intelligence or conviction to be an emergency physician or a lawyer. (Regardless of what you think of the legal profession in the US, it isn't terribly easy to graduate from a decent law school as what most people think--of course it probably was a relief after medical school and residency, but still a lot more time and effort than most people appreciate.) His entire persona seems contrived to rub people the wrong way, and galvanize support behind the Jim Bakers and Jerry Falwells of the world
He is either a quixotic eccentric or, more plausible, a tool of the neocons and evangelicals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.99.19 ( talk) 03:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I could be mistaken on this, but I believe that primary sources are not allowed at Wikipedia. A brief glance at the reference section reveals that at least a third of the sources used are primary sources. Wikipedia generally frowns upon the direct citation of legal briefs, court rulings, press releases, etc. In other words, you just can't provide a PDF link to a ruling of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Furthermore, whoever edited this entry seems to believe it his job to point out what he believes is the faulty reasoning behind the rulings of various justices and judges. This is most evident in the Obama Inauguration section. Either the entry needs to be rewritten or secondary sources need to be used. 74.138.45.132 ( talk) 04:14, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I am of the opinion that changing "Religion: none" to "Religion: Atheist" in BLP infoboxes implies that Atheism is a religion -- an argument commonly put forth by fundamentalists in the form "Atheism is just another faith-based religion."
In my opinion, Atheism is not a religion for the same reasons that baldness is not a type of hair color, off isn't "just another television channel", and vacuum is not a kind of gas.
I brought this question up at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 142#Changing "Religion = none" to "Religion = Atheist" on BLP infoboxes and got mixed opinions.
In the case of Michael Newdow, he appears to reject all religions, not just theistic ones, so there is also an accuracy question.
So, what should the infobox of this article say? -- Guy Macon ( talk) 23:05, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 18:09, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
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