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Re my most recent edit, see http://www.thesmileshop.net/essays_reum3.html . This was written by Peter Reum, one of the most well-known authorities on the Beach Boys (cited, for example, in the liner notes for the CD reissues of the band's albums, and often credited as a researcher on documentaries, etc). He clearly states: "Brian got a form of emotional release and humor from seeing conflict. He scripted a scene at a rehearsal for Heroes and Villains at the 1967 Hawaiian Live Concerts in which Mike Love actually reads a Brian authored script making fun of Brian for having a less successful sales result with the Heroes and Villains single than anticipated. Brian is making fun of Mike making fun of Brian and Van Dyke's art during Smile's recording several months beforehand. Self-deprecation is a major form of expression of what Brian finds funny. " Given that Wilson can be heard on the tape encouraging Love, and without any actual evidence to the contrary (and no, statements by Domenic Priore do not count until he learns the difference between his own unsupported opinion and actual fact), this comedy monologue should *not* be used as an example of Love's dislike for Smile. Love's problems with the album, in fact, do not include Heroes & Villains, and he has often noted that he considers that track Brian's last great work (see, for example, his interviews in the Endless Harmony documentary) even though he dislikes the rest of the album (especially the lyrics to CabinEssence). Stealth Munchkin 14:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
If Mike Love is first cousin to the Wilsons, his mother must be a Wilson. What was her name? For that matter, what are Mike Love's parents' names? - Nunh-huh 20:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Made the stuff about the Fall song more encyclopaedic. Catachresis 01:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
In early footage of the Beach Boys, you can see Love playing the Electro-Theremin (aka "Tannerin") for "Good Vibrations". They put little dots on it so he could see where to move the slide-bar-thingie. He's also bitching about it on the live recording of Good Vibrations included on the Good Vibrations box set ("They want me to play this wah-wah thing!"), from 1966. My edit was reverted saying it was a small Moog synthesizer. Maybe that was the case later on, but not in 1966, when hardly anyone knew who Moog was and his synthesizer was the size of a small garage. The Beach Boys borrowed the Electro-Theremin from Tanner and took it on tour.— Chowbok ☠ 20:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Or read the third Q&A here: [1]. I don't know whether this thing would count as an electro-theremin or a synth or both or what, but it's not the Tannerin. MookieZ ( talk) 21:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Rated importance as 'Top', Mike Love is lead vocalist with the Beach Boys, a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame member, also rated the article grade as a "Start" for the WPBiography project. Additionally, a grade of 'B' (as it currently is ranked in the WPRock box) is two classes too high for a totally unreferenced article. According to the WikiProject article grading scheme, this article cannot be any higher than a 'Start'. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Over six months later I don't see much real improvement here, especially in the references. This is not a 'B'-class article, and I'm demoting it to a 'C' for WPRock, which it barely deserves as it has only 3 references. Whatever one thinks of Mike Love, his Wikipedia article needs and deserves work. Jusdafax ( talk) 18:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
This article makes many assertions that shouldn't be here without sources. The article has been tagged for sources since 2006! I'd regret cutting it down to a stub, but this much unsourced material should not be kept in an article that mentions so many living people. Will Beback talk 00:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I have seriously cut back this section as we have no refs. Please only restore the text if you references. Thanks. -- BwB ( talk) 00:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Due to an IP editor repeatedly inserting BLP vios into the article plus assorted vandalism, I have requested that the article be semi-protected so that IP editors will be unable to edit the article for a week starting today. Jus da fax 19:29, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I have rolled back three edits to the article by first-time IP editor User:86.44.22.144. Just as an editor earlier this August tried to insert BLP violations, now these edits appear to be going in the other direction: to remove sourced material that may not reflect well on Mike Love. I have invited the new IP editor to discuss it here. Jus da fax 07:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I notice a series of back-and-forth changes going on with the article. Some appear to me to be trying to "spin" the article. I invite the editors involved to talk about the various points of view regarding the controversial parts of Love's career, and seek consensus. Thanks. Jus da fax 21:46, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
"Love has faced harsh criticism from a large contingent of Beach Boys fans, as well as from fellow musicians and music journalists."
"This perception is due to his strong and outspoken resistance to Brian Wilson's changing songwriting with the "Pet Sounds", and "SMiLE" projects"
"The direction he took the Beach Boy's "post-SMiLE" music in,"
"his numerous lawsuits against his bandmates"
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mike Love/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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In the Career section it says he has a Lease (on the name). In the lede paras. it says was granted the rights... These two verbiages are not exactly conflicting, but they do present different views. “A Lease” suggests a payment was made. ??? Anyway, there seems to be some conflict around this on the article. Boscaswell talk 23:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
This article should make reference to Mike Love's musical ability as it relates to his vocals. Not only did he provide lead vocals on many tracks, making him one of the main "lead vocalists in the group," but he also provided all the bass vocals. His bass vocal contributions are very unusual and unique in the context of pop music, and were important to the Beach Boys' sound. It is remarkable that he has the ability to sing a powerful conventional lead vocal, and also a very deep bass vocal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.32.132.6 ( talk) 20:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
the phrase "a family resident in Los Angeles since the early 1920s" seems unclear and I suspect might be a typo. Not sure what the author meant to say. PurpleChez ( talk) 17:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
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Re my most recent edit, see http://www.thesmileshop.net/essays_reum3.html . This was written by Peter Reum, one of the most well-known authorities on the Beach Boys (cited, for example, in the liner notes for the CD reissues of the band's albums, and often credited as a researcher on documentaries, etc). He clearly states: "Brian got a form of emotional release and humor from seeing conflict. He scripted a scene at a rehearsal for Heroes and Villains at the 1967 Hawaiian Live Concerts in which Mike Love actually reads a Brian authored script making fun of Brian for having a less successful sales result with the Heroes and Villains single than anticipated. Brian is making fun of Mike making fun of Brian and Van Dyke's art during Smile's recording several months beforehand. Self-deprecation is a major form of expression of what Brian finds funny. " Given that Wilson can be heard on the tape encouraging Love, and without any actual evidence to the contrary (and no, statements by Domenic Priore do not count until he learns the difference between his own unsupported opinion and actual fact), this comedy monologue should *not* be used as an example of Love's dislike for Smile. Love's problems with the album, in fact, do not include Heroes & Villains, and he has often noted that he considers that track Brian's last great work (see, for example, his interviews in the Endless Harmony documentary) even though he dislikes the rest of the album (especially the lyrics to CabinEssence). Stealth Munchkin 14:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
If Mike Love is first cousin to the Wilsons, his mother must be a Wilson. What was her name? For that matter, what are Mike Love's parents' names? - Nunh-huh 20:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Made the stuff about the Fall song more encyclopaedic. Catachresis 01:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
In early footage of the Beach Boys, you can see Love playing the Electro-Theremin (aka "Tannerin") for "Good Vibrations". They put little dots on it so he could see where to move the slide-bar-thingie. He's also bitching about it on the live recording of Good Vibrations included on the Good Vibrations box set ("They want me to play this wah-wah thing!"), from 1966. My edit was reverted saying it was a small Moog synthesizer. Maybe that was the case later on, but not in 1966, when hardly anyone knew who Moog was and his synthesizer was the size of a small garage. The Beach Boys borrowed the Electro-Theremin from Tanner and took it on tour.— Chowbok ☠ 20:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Or read the third Q&A here: [1]. I don't know whether this thing would count as an electro-theremin or a synth or both or what, but it's not the Tannerin. MookieZ ( talk) 21:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Rated importance as 'Top', Mike Love is lead vocalist with the Beach Boys, a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame member, also rated the article grade as a "Start" for the WPBiography project. Additionally, a grade of 'B' (as it currently is ranked in the WPRock box) is two classes too high for a totally unreferenced article. According to the WikiProject article grading scheme, this article cannot be any higher than a 'Start'. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Over six months later I don't see much real improvement here, especially in the references. This is not a 'B'-class article, and I'm demoting it to a 'C' for WPRock, which it barely deserves as it has only 3 references. Whatever one thinks of Mike Love, his Wikipedia article needs and deserves work. Jusdafax ( talk) 18:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
This article makes many assertions that shouldn't be here without sources. The article has been tagged for sources since 2006! I'd regret cutting it down to a stub, but this much unsourced material should not be kept in an article that mentions so many living people. Will Beback talk 00:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I have seriously cut back this section as we have no refs. Please only restore the text if you references. Thanks. -- BwB ( talk) 00:31, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Due to an IP editor repeatedly inserting BLP vios into the article plus assorted vandalism, I have requested that the article be semi-protected so that IP editors will be unable to edit the article for a week starting today. Jus da fax 19:29, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I have rolled back three edits to the article by first-time IP editor User:86.44.22.144. Just as an editor earlier this August tried to insert BLP violations, now these edits appear to be going in the other direction: to remove sourced material that may not reflect well on Mike Love. I have invited the new IP editor to discuss it here. Jus da fax 07:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I notice a series of back-and-forth changes going on with the article. Some appear to me to be trying to "spin" the article. I invite the editors involved to talk about the various points of view regarding the controversial parts of Love's career, and seek consensus. Thanks. Jus da fax 21:46, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
"Love has faced harsh criticism from a large contingent of Beach Boys fans, as well as from fellow musicians and music journalists."
"This perception is due to his strong and outspoken resistance to Brian Wilson's changing songwriting with the "Pet Sounds", and "SMiLE" projects"
"The direction he took the Beach Boy's "post-SMiLE" music in,"
"his numerous lawsuits against his bandmates"
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mike Love/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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In the Career section it says he has a Lease (on the name). In the lede paras. it says was granted the rights... These two verbiages are not exactly conflicting, but they do present different views. “A Lease” suggests a payment was made. ??? Anyway, there seems to be some conflict around this on the article. Boscaswell talk 23:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
This article should make reference to Mike Love's musical ability as it relates to his vocals. Not only did he provide lead vocals on many tracks, making him one of the main "lead vocalists in the group," but he also provided all the bass vocals. His bass vocal contributions are very unusual and unique in the context of pop music, and were important to the Beach Boys' sound. It is remarkable that he has the ability to sing a powerful conventional lead vocal, and also a very deep bass vocal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.32.132.6 ( talk) 20:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
the phrase "a family resident in Los Angeles since the early 1920s" seems unclear and I suspect might be a typo. Not sure what the author meant to say. PurpleChez ( talk) 17:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)