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Seems fairly significant? Eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krabborg ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Using the Enligsh phrase checker, which I discovered when reading a Wikipedia article about writing great articles, I searched "Anti-Gang-Violence", and found it was actually "Anti-Gang Violence". I do not know the rules of hyphenation too well; if you disagree then just drop a note here. TechOutsider ( talk) 17:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
There is no citation to backup that possibly controversial claim. TechOutsider ( talk) 17:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
It's been quite some time since the article passed FAC and since then we have the 2008-present section (which, for the most part, did not exist during the review). So, in the coming days I plan to have the article peer reviewed for prose and MoS issues only. I have a few referencing issues to sort out before then. — R 2 02:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
also have a1 fan who care's about eveything he's done for the world and do not care what anyone say'sabout him.<crystal n. jackson.> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.49.96.162 ( talk) 21:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Chris Brown said a few times (in interviews, TV, etc) that MJ was a major influence on his career. Can someone find it and post it to the list of artists who have been influenced by MJ? Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Will.i.am from the Black-Eyed Peas also cites MJ as the major influence on his career. Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Most of the artists that he worked with on Thriller 25 have actually been influenced by him. If possible, I'm sure there are admissions by Fergie and Akon somewhere out there too. Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Since MJ has been around for so long, all the wierd things he does don't effedt him as much as they would effect someone else. If Chris Brown or anyone else that is really popular right now did half the things that MJ did, they're career would be over pretty fase. But that's just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Singingshar ( talk • contribs) 13:07, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a section on music style. I think someone (who is more versed in dance) should start a section on his dance styles.
What I know is that he has been influenced first by tapdancing, then disco, then by a form of freestyle dance known as popping, and then made some more moves on his own. Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I believe it was "previously unreleased". TechOutsider ( talk) 16:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
King of Pops? TechOutsider ( talk) 16:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
Hey, this talk page is mostly occupied by the banners. Some overlap in meaning. I don't really think they are needed. YOu should have faith here in how people govern themselves. Just an opinion. TechOutsider ( talk) 03:51, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Billboard Publishes Top Selling List Sunday, April 12th 2009
US magazine Billboard has published their list of the three hundred Best Selling Albums Of All Time. Not surprisingly, ‘Thriller’ was top of the list with 72,400,000 units sold. ‘Bad’ was Michael’s next entry at Number 9, with 33,200,000 units and ‘Dangerous’ was came in at Number 20 with 30,000,000 units.
‘HIStory’ came in at Number 71 with 19.600,000 units and ‘Off The Wall’ featured at Number 75, with 19,000,000 units sold.
These remarkable sales just prove yet again, that Michael is the best selling artist of all time with over 174 million albums!
Source: Billboard & MJWN
Kelvin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.32.249 ( talk) 02:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I added the following to the Jackson entry as there was no mention of it: "In 2004, Scott Thorson, the former boyfriend of Liberace went public with claims to the National Enquirer that he and Jackson had sex in 1979 and later, including in the U.K. homes of Danny La Rue and Edward Douglas-Scott-Montagu, 3rd Baron Montagu of Beaulieu, and further, that Jackson possessed boy pornography. To support the allegations Thorson underwent and passed a lie detector test." Reference: http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/liberace.s%20ex.lover%20claims%20gay%20affair%20with%20jackson
This was deleted by a fangurl with the statement: " big claims need big sources". Well, the National Enquirer never had a reputation for accuracy, but it IS a big public source. However the issue here is that the claim was made, and it was acknowledged by Jackson's lawyers. Not surprisingly they dismissed it, but they didn't sue Thorson's ass. However flakey his character or not, given he named dates, celebrity home locations, and supposedly passed a profesionally supervised polygraph test, perhaps that's also not surprising. In any case, that such a huge and controversial claim was publicly made by a public 'identity', and publicly acknowledged by the opposing party, surely begs for the incident's inclusion, if only as a matter of record. Some fans may even be pleased to read of it: Thorson was at least out of short pants. So: shall I restore the entry with the addition "A laywer for Jackson dismissed the claim." with the reference: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,627959,00.html Engleham ( talk) 12:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Another day, another lawsuit: [2] -- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Some interesting wording in the lead; "In 2005, Jackson was tried and acquitted of further sexual abuse allegations and several other charges."
I'm not sure if "further" is the right word; in fact I believe it should be omitted. He was acquitted on all charges, not acquitted on "further" abuse allegations. TechOutsider ( talk) 04:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Though he was accused of child sexual abuse in 1993, the criminal investigation was closed due to lack of evidence and Jackson was not charged. The singer has experienced health concerns since the early 1990s and conflicting reports regarding the state of his finances since the late 1990s. Jackson married twice and fathered three children, all of which caused further controversy. In 2005, Jackson was tried and acquitted of further sexual abuse allegations and several other charges.
Should his occupations be wikilinked? TechOutsider ( talk) 21:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
This phrase has been in the lead for a very long time, but I have had concerns about it for a long time. How on earth do we know what the "public" actually things of Jackson? Recent events would suggest the public (in the UK) love the guy. I think it would be better to word it as "media image" or something. What the media think of Jackson and what the public think of Jackson don't seem to be the same. — R 2 17:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
“ | Other aspects of his personal life, including his changing appearance and behavior, generated significant controversy. | ” |
Yes, the events generated significant controversy; for example coverage in mass media (tabloids, newspapers, TV, etc) TechOutsider ( talk) 20:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm certainly not disputing that certain sections of the public have been turned off by Jackson, I'm just disputing whether the degree of "turned off" is such that it warrants a mention in the lead. It's impossible to measure or quantify how much the public reacted. You can't base it on a decline in sales because hardly anyone sells more than 5 million units of a studio album these days, the whole industry has been falling to pieces of the last 6-7 years. Dangerous (1991) outsold Bad (1987), think about the level of damage the media could have done in that 4 year period (his skin went completely white between those albums too), yet Dangerous did better. Does that mean the public liked him more in 1991-1993 than they did between 1987-1989? Impossible to tell. — R 2 08:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
In today's Sun, Michael Jackson has skin cancer. WP:REDFLAG etc.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I think this should be included, because it was not denied by his publicist ( http://www.miley5.net/content/index.php?action=show&id=15). It is likely that he does...?? Entteengossip ( talk) 10:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
well i think he needs a new picture up here. i looked back in the discussion and saw that some people had trouble with a mugshot of michael being posted, and i think that is very mean and inhumane. however, i do think we need a RECENT photo, that isnt in spite of jackson or been altered by tabloids to humiliate him. how about we use a photo of jackson at his recent 02 announcement? i mean, he looked amazing in that. while he was wearing sunglasses, there are some great shots of him. [3] [4] [5] those are some amazing shots. that sites main page has alot of other pictures if you follow links to 2009, 02 anouncement. now understand that particular site would probably not be the best place to get the image due to the watermarks and everything, and obviously whoever posts an image must follow wikipedias rules. however im just using that site as a guideline to what would be a great improvement to the article. it would really help wikipedia as its a positive, yet recent, image. Kingofpop69 ( talk) 00:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article that hes a tenor with very high tenor abilities. I know that he often sings in falsetto but isnt his chest voice high enough to be classified as countertenor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
this is a lie. do not believe it.
The info box says his voice type is “falsetto”. This seems plain wrong to me. Sure, he sang in falsetto sometimes (as to lots of male pop stars) but his voice is more accurately described as tenor. Any previous discussion on this? (I couldn’t find anything in the archives) Amilnerwhite ( talk) 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone should create a category called geniuses so I can put Michael Jackson in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CedrictheWelshDragon ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything else about Michael's current position on Jehovah's Witnesses, and how active his religious upbringing was? If he is a disfellowshipped Witness, then someone should file his name away in the Former Jehovah's Witnesses category. 62 Misfit ( talk) 23:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
in the off the wall, bad, thriller albums has no urban feel to them and when i correct it someone changes it some one tell me why-- Mjlouisdbz14 ( talk) 09:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know wheather or not the allegations that Michael Jackson is Islamic is true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.203.238.106 ( talk) 03:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson converted to Islam. Here's one of many sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1088225/Michael-Jackson-Muslim-changes-Mikaeel.html
"Beleaguered pop star Michael Jackson has converted to Islam and changed his name to Mikaeel, it has been claimed today.
The 50-year-old singer, who has previously been photographed wearing a traditional Arab women's veil, reportedly became a Muslim in a ceremony at a friend's house in Los Angeles.
The singer, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, is said to have sat on the floor and worn a small hat while an imam officiated at the home of Steve Porcaro, who composed music on his Thriller album."
Please update his page with the correct information
This from the BBC today [6]. Also, this about the concerts in the Daily Telegraph. [7]-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
In the section of Vocal Style, the following sentence is found:
A distinctive deliberate mispronunciation used frequently by Jackson, occasionally spelt "cha'mone" or "shamone", is also a staple in impressions and caricatures of him.
It does not say what word is these spellings are mispronounciations of. As it turns it (if you follow the reference for that sentence), the word is "c'mon" (yes, perhaps an obvious guess, but it inspired at least me to try to confirm).
Ordinarily, I would just make an edit, but this page is semi-protected, and I've never bothered to create an account. This is the edit I would make:
A distinctive deliberate mispronunciation of the phrase "c'mon" used frequently by Jackson, occasionally spelt "cha'mone" or "shamone", is also a staple in impressions and caricatures of him.
69.181.137.117 ( talk) 20:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Sean
I am wondering where the best place to mention the several video games MJ has been/participated in, such as Michael Jackson's Moonwalker? SharkD ( talk) 23:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Check this out: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10273229-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
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Seems fairly significant? Eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krabborg ( talk • contribs) 07:16, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Using the Enligsh phrase checker, which I discovered when reading a Wikipedia article about writing great articles, I searched "Anti-Gang-Violence", and found it was actually "Anti-Gang Violence". I do not know the rules of hyphenation too well; if you disagree then just drop a note here. TechOutsider ( talk) 17:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
There is no citation to backup that possibly controversial claim. TechOutsider ( talk) 17:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
It's been quite some time since the article passed FAC and since then we have the 2008-present section (which, for the most part, did not exist during the review). So, in the coming days I plan to have the article peer reviewed for prose and MoS issues only. I have a few referencing issues to sort out before then. — R 2 02:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
also have a1 fan who care's about eveything he's done for the world and do not care what anyone say'sabout him.<crystal n. jackson.> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.49.96.162 ( talk) 21:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Chris Brown said a few times (in interviews, TV, etc) that MJ was a major influence on his career. Can someone find it and post it to the list of artists who have been influenced by MJ? Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Will.i.am from the Black-Eyed Peas also cites MJ as the major influence on his career. Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Most of the artists that he worked with on Thriller 25 have actually been influenced by him. If possible, I'm sure there are admissions by Fergie and Akon somewhere out there too. Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Since MJ has been around for so long, all the wierd things he does don't effedt him as much as they would effect someone else. If Chris Brown or anyone else that is really popular right now did half the things that MJ did, they're career would be over pretty fase. But that's just my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Singingshar ( talk • contribs) 13:07, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a section on music style. I think someone (who is more versed in dance) should start a section on his dance styles.
What I know is that he has been influenced first by tapdancing, then disco, then by a form of freestyle dance known as popping, and then made some more moves on his own. Facial ( talk) 17:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I believe it was "previously unreleased". TechOutsider ( talk) 16:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
King of Pops? TechOutsider ( talk) 16:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)TechOutsider
Hey, this talk page is mostly occupied by the banners. Some overlap in meaning. I don't really think they are needed. YOu should have faith here in how people govern themselves. Just an opinion. TechOutsider ( talk) 03:51, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Billboard Publishes Top Selling List Sunday, April 12th 2009
US magazine Billboard has published their list of the three hundred Best Selling Albums Of All Time. Not surprisingly, ‘Thriller’ was top of the list with 72,400,000 units sold. ‘Bad’ was Michael’s next entry at Number 9, with 33,200,000 units and ‘Dangerous’ was came in at Number 20 with 30,000,000 units.
‘HIStory’ came in at Number 71 with 19.600,000 units and ‘Off The Wall’ featured at Number 75, with 19,000,000 units sold.
These remarkable sales just prove yet again, that Michael is the best selling artist of all time with over 174 million albums!
Source: Billboard & MJWN
Kelvin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.32.249 ( talk) 02:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I added the following to the Jackson entry as there was no mention of it: "In 2004, Scott Thorson, the former boyfriend of Liberace went public with claims to the National Enquirer that he and Jackson had sex in 1979 and later, including in the U.K. homes of Danny La Rue and Edward Douglas-Scott-Montagu, 3rd Baron Montagu of Beaulieu, and further, that Jackson possessed boy pornography. To support the allegations Thorson underwent and passed a lie detector test." Reference: http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/liberace.s%20ex.lover%20claims%20gay%20affair%20with%20jackson
This was deleted by a fangurl with the statement: " big claims need big sources". Well, the National Enquirer never had a reputation for accuracy, but it IS a big public source. However the issue here is that the claim was made, and it was acknowledged by Jackson's lawyers. Not surprisingly they dismissed it, but they didn't sue Thorson's ass. However flakey his character or not, given he named dates, celebrity home locations, and supposedly passed a profesionally supervised polygraph test, perhaps that's also not surprising. In any case, that such a huge and controversial claim was publicly made by a public 'identity', and publicly acknowledged by the opposing party, surely begs for the incident's inclusion, if only as a matter of record. Some fans may even be pleased to read of it: Thorson was at least out of short pants. So: shall I restore the entry with the addition "A laywer for Jackson dismissed the claim." with the reference: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,627959,00.html Engleham ( talk) 12:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Another day, another lawsuit: [2] -- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Some interesting wording in the lead; "In 2005, Jackson was tried and acquitted of further sexual abuse allegations and several other charges."
I'm not sure if "further" is the right word; in fact I believe it should be omitted. He was acquitted on all charges, not acquitted on "further" abuse allegations. TechOutsider ( talk) 04:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Though he was accused of child sexual abuse in 1993, the criminal investigation was closed due to lack of evidence and Jackson was not charged. The singer has experienced health concerns since the early 1990s and conflicting reports regarding the state of his finances since the late 1990s. Jackson married twice and fathered three children, all of which caused further controversy. In 2005, Jackson was tried and acquitted of further sexual abuse allegations and several other charges.
Should his occupations be wikilinked? TechOutsider ( talk) 21:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
This phrase has been in the lead for a very long time, but I have had concerns about it for a long time. How on earth do we know what the "public" actually things of Jackson? Recent events would suggest the public (in the UK) love the guy. I think it would be better to word it as "media image" or something. What the media think of Jackson and what the public think of Jackson don't seem to be the same. — R 2 17:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
“ | Other aspects of his personal life, including his changing appearance and behavior, generated significant controversy. | ” |
Yes, the events generated significant controversy; for example coverage in mass media (tabloids, newspapers, TV, etc) TechOutsider ( talk) 20:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm certainly not disputing that certain sections of the public have been turned off by Jackson, I'm just disputing whether the degree of "turned off" is such that it warrants a mention in the lead. It's impossible to measure or quantify how much the public reacted. You can't base it on a decline in sales because hardly anyone sells more than 5 million units of a studio album these days, the whole industry has been falling to pieces of the last 6-7 years. Dangerous (1991) outsold Bad (1987), think about the level of damage the media could have done in that 4 year period (his skin went completely white between those albums too), yet Dangerous did better. Does that mean the public liked him more in 1991-1993 than they did between 1987-1989? Impossible to tell. — R 2 08:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
In today's Sun, Michael Jackson has skin cancer. WP:REDFLAG etc.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I think this should be included, because it was not denied by his publicist ( http://www.miley5.net/content/index.php?action=show&id=15). It is likely that he does...?? Entteengossip ( talk) 10:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
well i think he needs a new picture up here. i looked back in the discussion and saw that some people had trouble with a mugshot of michael being posted, and i think that is very mean and inhumane. however, i do think we need a RECENT photo, that isnt in spite of jackson or been altered by tabloids to humiliate him. how about we use a photo of jackson at his recent 02 announcement? i mean, he looked amazing in that. while he was wearing sunglasses, there are some great shots of him. [3] [4] [5] those are some amazing shots. that sites main page has alot of other pictures if you follow links to 2009, 02 anouncement. now understand that particular site would probably not be the best place to get the image due to the watermarks and everything, and obviously whoever posts an image must follow wikipedias rules. however im just using that site as a guideline to what would be a great improvement to the article. it would really help wikipedia as its a positive, yet recent, image. Kingofpop69 ( talk) 00:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
It says in the article that hes a tenor with very high tenor abilities. I know that he often sings in falsetto but isnt his chest voice high enough to be classified as countertenor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 ( talk • contribs) 19:33, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
this is a lie. do not believe it.
The info box says his voice type is “falsetto”. This seems plain wrong to me. Sure, he sang in falsetto sometimes (as to lots of male pop stars) but his voice is more accurately described as tenor. Any previous discussion on this? (I couldn’t find anything in the archives) Amilnerwhite ( talk) 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone should create a category called geniuses so I can put Michael Jackson in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CedrictheWelshDragon ( talk • contribs) 18:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything else about Michael's current position on Jehovah's Witnesses, and how active his religious upbringing was? If he is a disfellowshipped Witness, then someone should file his name away in the Former Jehovah's Witnesses category. 62 Misfit ( talk) 23:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
in the off the wall, bad, thriller albums has no urban feel to them and when i correct it someone changes it some one tell me why-- Mjlouisdbz14 ( talk) 09:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know wheather or not the allegations that Michael Jackson is Islamic is true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.203.238.106 ( talk) 03:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Michael Jackson converted to Islam. Here's one of many sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1088225/Michael-Jackson-Muslim-changes-Mikaeel.html
"Beleaguered pop star Michael Jackson has converted to Islam and changed his name to Mikaeel, it has been claimed today.
The 50-year-old singer, who has previously been photographed wearing a traditional Arab women's veil, reportedly became a Muslim in a ceremony at a friend's house in Los Angeles.
The singer, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, is said to have sat on the floor and worn a small hat while an imam officiated at the home of Steve Porcaro, who composed music on his Thriller album."
Please update his page with the correct information
This from the BBC today [6]. Also, this about the concerts in the Daily Telegraph. [7]-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
In the section of Vocal Style, the following sentence is found:
A distinctive deliberate mispronunciation used frequently by Jackson, occasionally spelt "cha'mone" or "shamone", is also a staple in impressions and caricatures of him.
It does not say what word is these spellings are mispronounciations of. As it turns it (if you follow the reference for that sentence), the word is "c'mon" (yes, perhaps an obvious guess, but it inspired at least me to try to confirm).
Ordinarily, I would just make an edit, but this page is semi-protected, and I've never bothered to create an account. This is the edit I would make:
A distinctive deliberate mispronunciation of the phrase "c'mon" used frequently by Jackson, occasionally spelt "cha'mone" or "shamone", is also a staple in impressions and caricatures of him.
69.181.137.117 ( talk) 20:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Sean
I am wondering where the best place to mention the several video games MJ has been/participated in, such as Michael Jackson's Moonwalker? SharkD ( talk) 23:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Check this out: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10273229-1.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20