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Ballack was approached by Spanish giants Real Madrid, but decided to sign with Bayern Munich in a €12.9 m deal in 2002
Is there any source for 12.9 millions Euro? i love him......
Ballack has made 91 assists for the club section: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 16:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I once again replaced the photography, because Image:2651449540.jpg has an unknown copyright status. -- Stefan ■ 12:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
ballack had 67 goals in 118 games —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.208.26 ( talk) 22:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay, does anyone know, how many DFB Cup appearances Ballack had in 1997? There were three games:
Unfortunately this said (unlike 1998 - 2005) nothing about the formations. 129.217.129.133 00:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC) : Ok, cleared and justified (with process of elimination). Can anyone verify the table?
Kingjeff suggests that Ballack is still a Bayern player. As the German season has now closed, and Ballack has signed a contract with Chelsea, and Ballack's involvement in the World Cup with Germany, I really don't think Ballack will be training with or playing for Bayern again. It's true that he's contracted to Bayern until the end of June, but misleading and effectively incorrect to say he's still a Bayern player, especially given the rest of the article. I'm going to revert to showing him as a Chelsea player. Please discuss here before making any further changes. Robwingfield ( talk) 16:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I just added that both clubs to the current club section and also stated that he'll be at chelsea on July 1st. I believe this would be the correct way of putting it. Kingjeff 16:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
You put the following on my talk page:
Both pages haven't been updated since Ballack signed for Chelsea - e.g. "Even Bayern Munich, it seems, have learned to appreciate the priceless talents of the world-class Ballack. Contract talks have now worn on for a number of months and the club are growing impatient to secure the midfielder's services for the foreseeable future." I still feel that showing him as a Bayern player serves no purpose, and just looks inconsistent with the rest of the article. As per above, I'm reverting to showing him as a Chelsea player. Robwingfield ( talk) 16:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
But the the FIFA Word Cup Page didn't exist before he signed for Chelsea. His profile at the Bayern Munich website states that June 30 is when is contract would expire. That wouldn't change irregardless if the page was updated or not. In fact, if it was, then it would state that he'll be joining chelsea on July 1st. Kingjeff 16:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, so as you say, both pages are out of date and incorrect. We have no power to update those sites and keep them current, but we do have the ability to keep Wikipedia up to date... something you seem reluctant to do. I can't be bothered to argue with you any more. It's poor etiquette on your part to keep adding the incorrect information onto the page without discussing here first, but I'll leave your edit as is because I don't have the time or inclination to pursue this further. I'll leave you with this, however... does anyone in the world believe that Ballack is still a Bayern player? Of course not. Contracts in European football normally run until 30 June of the year the contract terminates. As Ballack has left Bayern and signed a contract with Chelsea, the legal status is probably that Bayern have released Ballack from his contract, and he is now contracted to Chelsea. Stating on Wikipedia that Ballack is a Bayern player is quite simply a ridiculous. Robwingfield ( talk) 16:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I never said incorrect and out of date. I'll agree with that on July 1. Kingjeff 23:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Why do you have to get caught up on technicalities and be so pedantic. I've changed my mind, I am now in favour of Chelsea, when people look to an article now, they expect to see the team he will be playing for when he next plays club football. Not the one he's never going to play for again. Its silly that you want to put Bayern up there. Whenever I've seen you posts on talk pages, you so often are abrasive and pedantic, and so unwilling to back down, basing entire arguments on misinformation and technicalites. It's a real shame. Philc T E C I 01:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
If people want to see his "current club", they expect an accuracy. Saying he's a Chelsea player before July 1 is inaccurate. Kingjeff 14:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The answer is yes as of July 1st. Kingjeff 22:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
FIFA has Ballack as a Chelsea player because all transfers are not official til July 1st. Kingjeff 14:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I can see you can never admit you're wrong. Kingjeff 20:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
There is too much crap about why he was leaving bayern. Things like Bayern has "only a few world class players" and "they do not want to win the champions league" are bullshit... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.201.73.139 ( talk • contribs) 04:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Which are the sources for this. I searched in the Internet and found nothing about that and I am very sure that some Sorbian pages would mention this.(I am myself form Lusatia) His lastname "Ballack" has Sorbian roots, that's true, but this is not enough to say he is of Sorbian origin. Maybe there was only one Sorbian ancestor 500 years ago and he surely have also German anesters so you have at least to say "partly Sorbian ancestry". You also do not claim all people which have a name of German origin are of German ancestry - if you would nearly all of the East European Jews would be claimed as of German ancestry. Fewer than 10% of the people in Lusatia are Sorbs (and the Germans are the majority for most parts of Lusatia since 1400), many others may have some Sorbian ancestors but were assimilated and mixed with Germans more than 300-700 years ago. In fact the Sorbs live mostly in the area northwest of Bautzen. In Görlitz lives nearly no Sorbs anymore since some hundred years. I don't care if Ballack is a Sorb or not but I have never heard from that and I am form the region myself. Thatswhy someone should indicate a source. -- Knarf-bz 23:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Just because there is one leter difference, this does not mean Sorbs and Serbs are the same nation. Sorbs are western Slavs, Serbs are southern. End of story.
Norum 5.07.2006
This way the Kennedy's are "Italians" or so does the book "Italians in North America" claims.
Apparently their ancestors moved from Italy to Ireland in 13th century, but this does not make them Italians anymore.
Same thing with George W. Bush. He says to have some czech background from the middle ages, but this does not make him Czech.
Norum 4.07.2006
Just to come back to the point. Ballack has a Slavic route, nobody has disputed that, but there are two observations. Firstly the double-L is a Germanisation, the other being that if Michael identified as Wendish, he might have insisted his surname be pronounced /balla ts k/ (giving the Slavic 'c' the 'ts' sound). The dark hair connection is irrelevant, lots of Germans have dark hair, and in any case, the Slavic nations in Germany's vicinity tend to be lighter haired anyhow, where one tends to find the dark hair among more people is further south in Europe. -- Evlekis 17:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
"German" doesn`t mean "Germanic": At least one third of all Germans have slavic roots which obviously doesn`t make them Poles, Czechs or Russians. The German population east of the Elbe has always been a Germanic/Slavic mongrel race, with the Slavic strain dominating. Germany is nowhere as purely "Germanic" in its ethnic makeup as Holland or the Scandinavian countries are, and far from being a tiny Slavic minority within a predominantly "Germanic" population, the Sorbs are actually an ethnic group that has retained its Slavic language and group consciousness. Their non-Sorbian neighbours are every bit as Slavic as the Sorbs are, with some Saxon blood thrown in here and there. East Germany and Germany`s eastern neighbours are by no means divided along ethnic or - horribile dictu - "racial" lines. Poles and East Germans stem from the same stock - the line that separates them is lingual and cultural, not ethnic. Names like "Ballack" or "Littbarski" most likely hail from Slavic tribes like the Prussians or Obotrites from which most of the East German population is descended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.168.207.33 ( talk) 00:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
30 % of all Germans bear Slavic family names. That`s a well-known fact to anyone casually acquainted with this country (My name, for example, is Malinowski).
What facts are being disputed in this article? Kingjeff 13:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I am sure his girlfriend's name is Simone Lamb.
Is the red card against Liverpool Ballack's first red card in his career or his first STRAIGHT red card in his career? I seem to have sources for both cases. Anyone can confirm either way? -- Han Sheng 17:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
"Ballack agreed to join Chelsea on a Bosman transfer on May 15, 2006.[1] During his last season as a Bayern player there were rumours of" I don't have a link but I think someone should fix it. Yonatanh 15:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
According to Ballack's official website, he is not married to Simone. -- Muchness 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes and I know on the Bayern Munich website, it said how he was single and had a girlfriend. Kingjeff 23:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
A recent edit ( diff) changed Simone Lambe's description to "civil-law" partner – is this a synonym for common-law partner? I can't find a reference describing her in this way on Google, and I am reverting to the previous description (simply partner). Can someone either shed some light on their relationship status or provide a source that clears this up? -- Muchness 18:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that Ballacks full potential will be shown when he plays for Chelsea. The EPL has talanted and great players like Henry, Rooney, C.Ronaldo and his teammate Lehmann. Playing alongside Lampard, Robben, Makalele will surely only help him to show his skills better. Germany deserved a place in the finals, specially after Ballack missed the finals of the 2002 edition due to a red card.... two goals at the brink of extra time took the cup away from Germany. if it had gone to the penalties, i am sure germany would have won.
Simply a clarification here on this point "Ballack missed the finals of the 2002 edition due to a red card." He actually missed the 2002 World Cup final due to "accumulated yellow cards." He got the first yellow against Paraguay (92') in the round of 16, and a second yellow against S. Korea (71'). Two accumulated yellows equalled a 1 game suspension in knock-out rounds of the World Cup. I believe that this rule (2 yellows = 1 game susp) has been modified so that more star players will be available for the finals of such tournaments (World Cup and Euro Championships). Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding
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The Good article nomination for Michael Ballack has failed, for the following reason(s):
It was announced days after signing with Chelsea, that he would be handed the number 13 shirt, even though William Gallas currently wore that number. So a change is in order for his number.
At the start of his career in the German 1. Bundesliga, Ballack had the shirt number "3", when he played for 1. FC Kaiserslautern. As a proof, refer to these pictures from the Champions League season 1998/1998: http://www.jamd.com/image/g/52938523 and http://www.jamd.com/image/g/71574582 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.173.167.194 ( talk) 11:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps the number '1' fell off.
"though his reputation in Germany has suffered recently because of the considerable unpopularity of his decision to leave Bayern for English club Chelsea."
That's not true. He has lost reputation in Munich, but not in Germany. the broad public and the press understands and respects his decision.
Thephoto given by you is not up to the mark... the photo should display him as either a chelsea or german player... he sould have some good expressions of determination and grit on his face this would make the page more attractive and more people would edit and access it resulting in the promotion of this article..... but your photo dosent seem to mathup to any off the standards....
Can someone name the source of Michael Ballack's middle name? I've never heard that he even had a middle name, let alone it being "Avlot"! This information isn't even on his official site!! -- SaraFL 18:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I've never heard of any middle name of Ballack either. Kingjeff 19:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Ballack has been at Chelsea for half a season and yet there is huge amount of detail in his career description at Chelsea. I feel that this section should be made more concise. What about his childhood? Tirupraveen 05:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we know anything about his childhood? Kingjeff 05:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there's quite a bit in his book. -- SaraFL 18:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a bit ridiculous. While I appreciate that a detailed resource is much more valuable than just a brief overview, I don't think there is a need for as much detail as exists in this section. Wikipedia isn't about detailing every action of every person. It should be about the significant and relevant parts. Having said all that people come to Michael Ballacks page to get information about him, the overview at the top gives them a good overview, and if they want to know more they can read further.
Alphonsediregiano ( talk) 14:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Infobox says 3 in 13 goals for Chelsea, career stats says 4 in 7? Whilding87 23:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
And the national team goals count doesn't add up. Infobox says 35 of 79, the 'Total' column in the national team table of career stats section say 39 of 75 but in fact in that same table the friendlies -> goals column is summed to 15 when it should be 14. The whole thing should be updated and worked out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.175.59 ( talk) 14:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Who posted the comment about Ballack getting married to Simone Lambe this summer? There's no accreditation and nothing about it ANYWHERE else, so I presume it's complete fictitious and suggest it be removed. -- SaraFL ( talk) 22:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
the "sources" say he will marry her (possibly) in the middle of July. but you're right, it's yellow press stuff. somehow or other, at the moment they aren't married but live in a "nichtehelicher Gemeinschaft" what means something similar to common-law-marriage as suggested under point "marriage" above ( Barfuss im park ( talk) 12:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC))
Can anyone give his name's pronunciation in IPA? I'm sure that we can't pronounce his name like English [1], but giving IPA for his full name is the best for readers. Vinhtantran ( talk) 01:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
How did the club pay in Euros, wasn't even aware anyone was using it back in 1999. Come on the Mothers ( talk) 21:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
The article is protected for 3 days due to edit warring over the units.
CIreland ( talk) 02:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
It seems to me that nobody wants to dicuss. If I don't see any comment within a week or so, I will revert the units back to the metric system. -- Jaellee ( talk) 17:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't metric be put first in any case, simply because it is the most common use of measurement worldwide? Not only that, but as far as I can see, the metric system is used in the UK. Even if both metric and imperial are used, the most commonly used unit worldwide should be used because Wikipedia is a "World" oriented site not a British site. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 18:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the neutrality tag. The article is still a mess (Chelsea section too long, international section too short, language and style issues, etc.) but it restricts itself to facts. -- Berntie ( talk) 19:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
DAFINA RUGOVAJ VRELL KOSOVA 17.04.1992 PEJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.80.174.155 ( talk) 11:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Where is it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.8.210 ( talk) 15:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.210.218 ( talk) 02:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I've overhauled the lead to full size. The main article could still do with expansion outside of the Chelsea section. Heavy reference work is needed: it's quite sad that (excluding height) the third citation in the text is to verify his transfer to Chelsea. It's a pretty lop-sided article. I hope that a German or Blues editor looks to resolve this situation sooner rather than later. It's pretty lame that this article has to wait for "SillyKoppiteBoy" to fix things (not to mention Drogba and Mourinho!). Come on Chelsea boys: don't let the side down! Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) 02:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Things like that need a reliable source. Without a source I'll remove it. -- Berntie ( talk) 19:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
You have to mention ballack's assists!!91 assists exactly for the clubs. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 16:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Fellow editors, we must add to Ballack's page the number of assists. Ballack has made lots of assists in his career (91) and the number of assists is very important for a footballer. Because they judge a football either by the number of goals or assists. So we must add it! There are lots of footballers' pages in wiki which contain the number of assists, why not ballack?! There are lots of sites containing the number of assists like http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I just found out that Michael has won a couple of honors and individual titles in a site that are not mentioned in wiki. The site is in French, translate and check it out http://www.espacefoot.net/ballack.htm . What do you think? Shouldn't we add them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 15:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Who deleted my edit?! I added for the individual honors "goal of the year award 2008", "ranked 5th in the Ballon D'or award" and "Bayer Leverkusen team of the century". Three important honors. And three of them have a good source since 3 of them have been mentioned in Wikipedia. Why? Other editors, please add them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Lots of information are missing in this part, and nobody continued?! In the next couple of the days, I will rewrite the whole part adding everything. However I'm not quite sure how to write it?Of course neutral point of view, but should I mention references and others? Can someone tell me the whole guidelines I should follow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
==Awards ballack got voted uefa team of the year 2006 by uefa users, someone add it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 18:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Just saving this link for future reference: http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/02/24/former-german-national-team-captain-michael-ballack-joins-espn-for-uefa-euro-2012/. Is it enough (yet) for an “off-pitch” section? It may be too soon for a “post-retirement career” section. — ThorstenNY ( talk) 18:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Minor problem, he made 18 appearances not 25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 16:31, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
he has made 18 league appearances and 25 appearances overall. Kingjeff ( talk) 17:22, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Found a new one, bayer leverkusen top scorer in 2001-2002 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 17:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm thinking of adding a couple of man of the match awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 12:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
He´s the third german player to win the EPL. The source is a bit poor. Please find another source to keep this valuable information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.14.185 ( talk) 06:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I changed the source, now I don't want anyone to remove it, unless he wants me to give him a lecture of why this is important! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.34.27.244 ( talk) 09:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Well thx for not deleting the edit. Now I'm Ballack biggest fan and I'm keen on doing changes to his wikpedia pages untill it illustrate every single detail! Yes, in the next couple of month, I'm gonna add man of the match awards, individual awards and Bayer Leverkusen section. So please, do not delete any edit, I'll make sure the edits have good sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.31.85.155 ( talk) 18:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok this is madness. Who the hell deleted my edit!? I added two individual awards; Bundesliga Bronze Boot (2001-02) and German Footballer of the year 2008 (Runner Up). Two very important awards. Now the one who deleted the edit will sure tell me "real awards are awards where he has earned first place". Well not for Ballack! You know what, I call all Ballack fans to edit his page,ONLY BALLACK FANS. Those who don't know Michael's career will never understand the importance of these awards. And I myself am not obliged to give a whole lecture to convince you the importance of each award. But I will do that one last time for the ignorant who deleted the post. Michael Ballack was a marvelous goal scorer in Germany. But when he went to Chelsea, he's fantastic goalscoring record has burnt into ashes. Michael is magnificent in front of goal! That's why keeping "Bronze Boot..." is a must! Imagine, a midfielder...one season...17 goals! Now for the "German footballer of the year 2008 (Runner up). He got another runner up! If you know Michael Ballack, you will sure know the runner up enigma. Do you? Michael Ballack has lots of silver medals. He was runner up for lots of competitions/awards. For those who think that a runner up is not important, well they're just stupid. Some would give so much attention to the winner and ignore the runner up. Doesn't the runner up deserve recognition!? Built an amazing journey to fall at the last minute. Well Michael's silver medal deserve recognition...at least on Wikipedia! So I'm gonna add these two awards in the next two days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.31.230.215 ( talk) 22:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Can someone edit this section; it's incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 12:29, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to edit it with a new style. The source is very reliable and correct. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 13:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I finished the table. It took me exactly 3 hours so please do not delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 15:02, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Who deleted my table? This is unacceptable! There's nothing wrong with the table I added, it's accurate, correct and from a very reliable source. For the person who deleted the edit, may he not say his name because I'll report him and he will be banned from editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 15:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Deleted again; you thinks its a game? well i'm gonna keep adding it..no prob-- 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 16:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
It's not a better table. It's already been called messy and I'm calling it ugly. Kingjeff ( talk) 16:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Kingjeff, oh really? it's messy and ugly? Can I ask you who are you to edit Michael's page? If you are a fan, well it seems your not a good one, or you're a random jobless, lifeless guy, who spends his time deleting people's hard work on Wikipedia. Michael Ballack's page doesn't need you. This table I added illuminates every single vital detail of ballack's career. It should be the new form of table for footballers. I'm gonna keep on adding it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 17:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I feel bad for you that you wasted 3 hours on a table like that. Multiple people have reverted your table. Kingjeff ( talk) 17:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Look guys, Michael Ballack really means a lot to me. And I want everyone to know how great he really is. And I think this table will shut his critics. And not just this table, but I'm keening on adding much more. Wikipedia has no problem with the source, but it seems you do. Well don't be that spontaneous; when you look closely at the table, its not bad at all. It depicts every single detail that must be mentioned. I think Michael Ballack is the best player in the world, and I want his wiki page to be perfect. Perfect to the extent that its neutral of course. The edits I'm adding are not speculations, nor opinions; they are facts. And Fact defines Wikipedia no? Plz, do not delete it again; thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 17:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
You're going to find it hard to find support since you're are essentially trying to violate the neutral point of view policy. Kingjeff ( talk) 22:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Do you think Ballack needs a Style of Play section? Portillo ( talk) 11:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Maybe put it in after his career is over. Simione001 ( talk) 12:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
He is retired now, so I might start working on one soon. Portillo ( talk) 01:10, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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Ballack was approached by Spanish giants Real Madrid, but decided to sign with Bayern Munich in a €12.9 m deal in 2002
Is there any source for 12.9 millions Euro? i love him......
Ballack has made 91 assists for the club section: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 16:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I once again replaced the photography, because Image:2651449540.jpg has an unknown copyright status. -- Stefan ■ 12:25, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
ballack had 67 goals in 118 games —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.208.26 ( talk) 22:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay, does anyone know, how many DFB Cup appearances Ballack had in 1997? There were three games:
Unfortunately this said (unlike 1998 - 2005) nothing about the formations. 129.217.129.133 00:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC) : Ok, cleared and justified (with process of elimination). Can anyone verify the table?
Kingjeff suggests that Ballack is still a Bayern player. As the German season has now closed, and Ballack has signed a contract with Chelsea, and Ballack's involvement in the World Cup with Germany, I really don't think Ballack will be training with or playing for Bayern again. It's true that he's contracted to Bayern until the end of June, but misleading and effectively incorrect to say he's still a Bayern player, especially given the rest of the article. I'm going to revert to showing him as a Chelsea player. Please discuss here before making any further changes. Robwingfield ( talk) 16:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I just added that both clubs to the current club section and also stated that he'll be at chelsea on July 1st. I believe this would be the correct way of putting it. Kingjeff 16:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
You put the following on my talk page:
Both pages haven't been updated since Ballack signed for Chelsea - e.g. "Even Bayern Munich, it seems, have learned to appreciate the priceless talents of the world-class Ballack. Contract talks have now worn on for a number of months and the club are growing impatient to secure the midfielder's services for the foreseeable future." I still feel that showing him as a Bayern player serves no purpose, and just looks inconsistent with the rest of the article. As per above, I'm reverting to showing him as a Chelsea player. Robwingfield ( talk) 16:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
But the the FIFA Word Cup Page didn't exist before he signed for Chelsea. His profile at the Bayern Munich website states that June 30 is when is contract would expire. That wouldn't change irregardless if the page was updated or not. In fact, if it was, then it would state that he'll be joining chelsea on July 1st. Kingjeff 16:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, so as you say, both pages are out of date and incorrect. We have no power to update those sites and keep them current, but we do have the ability to keep Wikipedia up to date... something you seem reluctant to do. I can't be bothered to argue with you any more. It's poor etiquette on your part to keep adding the incorrect information onto the page without discussing here first, but I'll leave your edit as is because I don't have the time or inclination to pursue this further. I'll leave you with this, however... does anyone in the world believe that Ballack is still a Bayern player? Of course not. Contracts in European football normally run until 30 June of the year the contract terminates. As Ballack has left Bayern and signed a contract with Chelsea, the legal status is probably that Bayern have released Ballack from his contract, and he is now contracted to Chelsea. Stating on Wikipedia that Ballack is a Bayern player is quite simply a ridiculous. Robwingfield ( talk) 16:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I never said incorrect and out of date. I'll agree with that on July 1. Kingjeff 23:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Why do you have to get caught up on technicalities and be so pedantic. I've changed my mind, I am now in favour of Chelsea, when people look to an article now, they expect to see the team he will be playing for when he next plays club football. Not the one he's never going to play for again. Its silly that you want to put Bayern up there. Whenever I've seen you posts on talk pages, you so often are abrasive and pedantic, and so unwilling to back down, basing entire arguments on misinformation and technicalites. It's a real shame. Philc T E C I 01:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
If people want to see his "current club", they expect an accuracy. Saying he's a Chelsea player before July 1 is inaccurate. Kingjeff 14:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The answer is yes as of July 1st. Kingjeff 22:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
FIFA has Ballack as a Chelsea player because all transfers are not official til July 1st. Kingjeff 14:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I can see you can never admit you're wrong. Kingjeff 20:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
There is too much crap about why he was leaving bayern. Things like Bayern has "only a few world class players" and "they do not want to win the champions league" are bullshit... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.201.73.139 ( talk • contribs) 04:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Which are the sources for this. I searched in the Internet and found nothing about that and I am very sure that some Sorbian pages would mention this.(I am myself form Lusatia) His lastname "Ballack" has Sorbian roots, that's true, but this is not enough to say he is of Sorbian origin. Maybe there was only one Sorbian ancestor 500 years ago and he surely have also German anesters so you have at least to say "partly Sorbian ancestry". You also do not claim all people which have a name of German origin are of German ancestry - if you would nearly all of the East European Jews would be claimed as of German ancestry. Fewer than 10% of the people in Lusatia are Sorbs (and the Germans are the majority for most parts of Lusatia since 1400), many others may have some Sorbian ancestors but were assimilated and mixed with Germans more than 300-700 years ago. In fact the Sorbs live mostly in the area northwest of Bautzen. In Görlitz lives nearly no Sorbs anymore since some hundred years. I don't care if Ballack is a Sorb or not but I have never heard from that and I am form the region myself. Thatswhy someone should indicate a source. -- Knarf-bz 23:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Just because there is one leter difference, this does not mean Sorbs and Serbs are the same nation. Sorbs are western Slavs, Serbs are southern. End of story.
Norum 5.07.2006
This way the Kennedy's are "Italians" or so does the book "Italians in North America" claims.
Apparently their ancestors moved from Italy to Ireland in 13th century, but this does not make them Italians anymore.
Same thing with George W. Bush. He says to have some czech background from the middle ages, but this does not make him Czech.
Norum 4.07.2006
Just to come back to the point. Ballack has a Slavic route, nobody has disputed that, but there are two observations. Firstly the double-L is a Germanisation, the other being that if Michael identified as Wendish, he might have insisted his surname be pronounced /balla ts k/ (giving the Slavic 'c' the 'ts' sound). The dark hair connection is irrelevant, lots of Germans have dark hair, and in any case, the Slavic nations in Germany's vicinity tend to be lighter haired anyhow, where one tends to find the dark hair among more people is further south in Europe. -- Evlekis 17:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
"German" doesn`t mean "Germanic": At least one third of all Germans have slavic roots which obviously doesn`t make them Poles, Czechs or Russians. The German population east of the Elbe has always been a Germanic/Slavic mongrel race, with the Slavic strain dominating. Germany is nowhere as purely "Germanic" in its ethnic makeup as Holland or the Scandinavian countries are, and far from being a tiny Slavic minority within a predominantly "Germanic" population, the Sorbs are actually an ethnic group that has retained its Slavic language and group consciousness. Their non-Sorbian neighbours are every bit as Slavic as the Sorbs are, with some Saxon blood thrown in here and there. East Germany and Germany`s eastern neighbours are by no means divided along ethnic or - horribile dictu - "racial" lines. Poles and East Germans stem from the same stock - the line that separates them is lingual and cultural, not ethnic. Names like "Ballack" or "Littbarski" most likely hail from Slavic tribes like the Prussians or Obotrites from which most of the East German population is descended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.168.207.33 ( talk) 00:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
30 % of all Germans bear Slavic family names. That`s a well-known fact to anyone casually acquainted with this country (My name, for example, is Malinowski).
What facts are being disputed in this article? Kingjeff 13:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I am sure his girlfriend's name is Simone Lamb.
Is the red card against Liverpool Ballack's first red card in his career or his first STRAIGHT red card in his career? I seem to have sources for both cases. Anyone can confirm either way? -- Han Sheng 17:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
"Ballack agreed to join Chelsea on a Bosman transfer on May 15, 2006.[1] During his last season as a Bayern player there were rumours of" I don't have a link but I think someone should fix it. Yonatanh 15:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
According to Ballack's official website, he is not married to Simone. -- Muchness 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes and I know on the Bayern Munich website, it said how he was single and had a girlfriend. Kingjeff 23:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
A recent edit ( diff) changed Simone Lambe's description to "civil-law" partner – is this a synonym for common-law partner? I can't find a reference describing her in this way on Google, and I am reverting to the previous description (simply partner). Can someone either shed some light on their relationship status or provide a source that clears this up? -- Muchness 18:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I think that Ballacks full potential will be shown when he plays for Chelsea. The EPL has talanted and great players like Henry, Rooney, C.Ronaldo and his teammate Lehmann. Playing alongside Lampard, Robben, Makalele will surely only help him to show his skills better. Germany deserved a place in the finals, specially after Ballack missed the finals of the 2002 edition due to a red card.... two goals at the brink of extra time took the cup away from Germany. if it had gone to the penalties, i am sure germany would have won.
Simply a clarification here on this point "Ballack missed the finals of the 2002 edition due to a red card." He actually missed the 2002 World Cup final due to "accumulated yellow cards." He got the first yellow against Paraguay (92') in the round of 16, and a second yellow against S. Korea (71'). Two accumulated yellows equalled a 1 game suspension in knock-out rounds of the World Cup. I believe that this rule (2 yellows = 1 game susp) has been modified so that more star players will be available for the finals of such tournaments (World Cup and Euro Championships). Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding
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The Good article nomination for Michael Ballack has failed, for the following reason(s):
It was announced days after signing with Chelsea, that he would be handed the number 13 shirt, even though William Gallas currently wore that number. So a change is in order for his number.
At the start of his career in the German 1. Bundesliga, Ballack had the shirt number "3", when he played for 1. FC Kaiserslautern. As a proof, refer to these pictures from the Champions League season 1998/1998: http://www.jamd.com/image/g/52938523 and http://www.jamd.com/image/g/71574582 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.173.167.194 ( talk) 11:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps the number '1' fell off.
"though his reputation in Germany has suffered recently because of the considerable unpopularity of his decision to leave Bayern for English club Chelsea."
That's not true. He has lost reputation in Munich, but not in Germany. the broad public and the press understands and respects his decision.
Thephoto given by you is not up to the mark... the photo should display him as either a chelsea or german player... he sould have some good expressions of determination and grit on his face this would make the page more attractive and more people would edit and access it resulting in the promotion of this article..... but your photo dosent seem to mathup to any off the standards....
Can someone name the source of Michael Ballack's middle name? I've never heard that he even had a middle name, let alone it being "Avlot"! This information isn't even on his official site!! -- SaraFL 18:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I've never heard of any middle name of Ballack either. Kingjeff 19:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Ballack has been at Chelsea for half a season and yet there is huge amount of detail in his career description at Chelsea. I feel that this section should be made more concise. What about his childhood? Tirupraveen 05:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we know anything about his childhood? Kingjeff 05:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there's quite a bit in his book. -- SaraFL 18:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a bit ridiculous. While I appreciate that a detailed resource is much more valuable than just a brief overview, I don't think there is a need for as much detail as exists in this section. Wikipedia isn't about detailing every action of every person. It should be about the significant and relevant parts. Having said all that people come to Michael Ballacks page to get information about him, the overview at the top gives them a good overview, and if they want to know more they can read further.
Alphonsediregiano ( talk) 14:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Infobox says 3 in 13 goals for Chelsea, career stats says 4 in 7? Whilding87 23:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
And the national team goals count doesn't add up. Infobox says 35 of 79, the 'Total' column in the national team table of career stats section say 39 of 75 but in fact in that same table the friendlies -> goals column is summed to 15 when it should be 14. The whole thing should be updated and worked out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.175.59 ( talk) 14:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Who posted the comment about Ballack getting married to Simone Lambe this summer? There's no accreditation and nothing about it ANYWHERE else, so I presume it's complete fictitious and suggest it be removed. -- SaraFL ( talk) 22:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
the "sources" say he will marry her (possibly) in the middle of July. but you're right, it's yellow press stuff. somehow or other, at the moment they aren't married but live in a "nichtehelicher Gemeinschaft" what means something similar to common-law-marriage as suggested under point "marriage" above ( Barfuss im park ( talk) 12:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC))
Can anyone give his name's pronunciation in IPA? I'm sure that we can't pronounce his name like English [1], but giving IPA for his full name is the best for readers. Vinhtantran ( talk) 01:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
How did the club pay in Euros, wasn't even aware anyone was using it back in 1999. Come on the Mothers ( talk) 21:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
The article is protected for 3 days due to edit warring over the units.
CIreland ( talk) 02:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
It seems to me that nobody wants to dicuss. If I don't see any comment within a week or so, I will revert the units back to the metric system. -- Jaellee ( talk) 17:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't metric be put first in any case, simply because it is the most common use of measurement worldwide? Not only that, but as far as I can see, the metric system is used in the UK. Even if both metric and imperial are used, the most commonly used unit worldwide should be used because Wikipedia is a "World" oriented site not a British site. Hubschrauber729 ( talk) 18:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the neutrality tag. The article is still a mess (Chelsea section too long, international section too short, language and style issues, etc.) but it restricts itself to facts. -- Berntie ( talk) 19:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
DAFINA RUGOVAJ VRELL KOSOVA 17.04.1992 PEJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.80.174.155 ( talk) 11:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Where is it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.8.210 ( talk) 15:36, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.210.218 ( talk) 02:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I've overhauled the lead to full size. The main article could still do with expansion outside of the Chelsea section. Heavy reference work is needed: it's quite sad that (excluding height) the third citation in the text is to verify his transfer to Chelsea. It's a pretty lop-sided article. I hope that a German or Blues editor looks to resolve this situation sooner rather than later. It's pretty lame that this article has to wait for "SillyKoppiteBoy" to fix things (not to mention Drogba and Mourinho!). Come on Chelsea boys: don't let the side down! Sillyfolkboy ( talk) ( edits) 02:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Things like that need a reliable source. Without a source I'll remove it. -- Berntie ( talk) 19:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
You have to mention ballack's assists!!91 assists exactly for the clubs. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 16:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Fellow editors, we must add to Ballack's page the number of assists. Ballack has made lots of assists in his career (91) and the number of assists is very important for a footballer. Because they judge a football either by the number of goals or assists. So we must add it! There are lots of footballers' pages in wiki which contain the number of assists, why not ballack?! There are lots of sites containing the number of assists like http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/michael-ballack/bilanz/spieler_63.html . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I just found out that Michael has won a couple of honors and individual titles in a site that are not mentioned in wiki. The site is in French, translate and check it out http://www.espacefoot.net/ballack.htm . What do you think? Shouldn't we add them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 15:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Who deleted my edit?! I added for the individual honors "goal of the year award 2008", "ranked 5th in the Ballon D'or award" and "Bayer Leverkusen team of the century". Three important honors. And three of them have a good source since 3 of them have been mentioned in Wikipedia. Why? Other editors, please add them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Lots of information are missing in this part, and nobody continued?! In the next couple of the days, I will rewrite the whole part adding everything. However I'm not quite sure how to write it?Of course neutral point of view, but should I mention references and others? Can someone tell me the whole guidelines I should follow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ray1313 ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
==Awards ballack got voted uefa team of the year 2006 by uefa users, someone add it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 18:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Just saving this link for future reference: http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/02/24/former-german-national-team-captain-michael-ballack-joins-espn-for-uefa-euro-2012/. Is it enough (yet) for an “off-pitch” section? It may be too soon for a “post-retirement career” section. — ThorstenNY ( talk) 18:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Minor problem, he made 18 appearances not 25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 16:31, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
he has made 18 league appearances and 25 appearances overall. Kingjeff ( talk) 17:22, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Found a new one, bayer leverkusen top scorer in 2001-2002 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 17:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm thinking of adding a couple of man of the match awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 12:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
He´s the third german player to win the EPL. The source is a bit poor. Please find another source to keep this valuable information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.14.185 ( talk) 06:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I changed the source, now I don't want anyone to remove it, unless he wants me to give him a lecture of why this is important! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.34.27.244 ( talk) 09:38, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Well thx for not deleting the edit. Now I'm Ballack biggest fan and I'm keen on doing changes to his wikpedia pages untill it illustrate every single detail! Yes, in the next couple of month, I'm gonna add man of the match awards, individual awards and Bayer Leverkusen section. So please, do not delete any edit, I'll make sure the edits have good sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.31.85.155 ( talk) 18:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok this is madness. Who the hell deleted my edit!? I added two individual awards; Bundesliga Bronze Boot (2001-02) and German Footballer of the year 2008 (Runner Up). Two very important awards. Now the one who deleted the edit will sure tell me "real awards are awards where he has earned first place". Well not for Ballack! You know what, I call all Ballack fans to edit his page,ONLY BALLACK FANS. Those who don't know Michael's career will never understand the importance of these awards. And I myself am not obliged to give a whole lecture to convince you the importance of each award. But I will do that one last time for the ignorant who deleted the post. Michael Ballack was a marvelous goal scorer in Germany. But when he went to Chelsea, he's fantastic goalscoring record has burnt into ashes. Michael is magnificent in front of goal! That's why keeping "Bronze Boot..." is a must! Imagine, a midfielder...one season...17 goals! Now for the "German footballer of the year 2008 (Runner up). He got another runner up! If you know Michael Ballack, you will sure know the runner up enigma. Do you? Michael Ballack has lots of silver medals. He was runner up for lots of competitions/awards. For those who think that a runner up is not important, well they're just stupid. Some would give so much attention to the winner and ignore the runner up. Doesn't the runner up deserve recognition!? Built an amazing journey to fall at the last minute. Well Michael's silver medal deserve recognition...at least on Wikipedia! So I'm gonna add these two awards in the next two days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.31.230.215 ( talk) 22:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Can someone edit this section; it's incomplete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 12:29, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to edit it with a new style. The source is very reliable and correct. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 13:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I finished the table. It took me exactly 3 hours so please do not delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 15:02, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Who deleted my table? This is unacceptable! There's nothing wrong with the table I added, it's accurate, correct and from a very reliable source. For the person who deleted the edit, may he not say his name because I'll report him and he will be banned from editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 15:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Deleted again; you thinks its a game? well i'm gonna keep adding it..no prob-- 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 16:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
It's not a better table. It's already been called messy and I'm calling it ugly. Kingjeff ( talk) 16:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Kingjeff, oh really? it's messy and ugly? Can I ask you who are you to edit Michael's page? If you are a fan, well it seems your not a good one, or you're a random jobless, lifeless guy, who spends his time deleting people's hard work on Wikipedia. Michael Ballack's page doesn't need you. This table I added illuminates every single vital detail of ballack's career. It should be the new form of table for footballers. I'm gonna keep on adding it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 17:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I feel bad for you that you wasted 3 hours on a table like that. Multiple people have reverted your table. Kingjeff ( talk) 17:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Look guys, Michael Ballack really means a lot to me. And I want everyone to know how great he really is. And I think this table will shut his critics. And not just this table, but I'm keening on adding much more. Wikipedia has no problem with the source, but it seems you do. Well don't be that spontaneous; when you look closely at the table, its not bad at all. It depicts every single detail that must be mentioned. I think Michael Ballack is the best player in the world, and I want his wiki page to be perfect. Perfect to the extent that its neutral of course. The edits I'm adding are not speculations, nor opinions; they are facts. And Fact defines Wikipedia no? Plz, do not delete it again; thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.129.120 ( talk) 17:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
You're going to find it hard to find support since you're are essentially trying to violate the neutral point of view policy. Kingjeff ( talk) 22:44, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Do you think Ballack needs a Style of Play section? Portillo ( talk) 11:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Maybe put it in after his career is over. Simione001 ( talk) 12:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
He is retired now, so I might start working on one soon. Portillo ( talk) 01:10, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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Michael Ballack is an ethnic Romani/Gypsy [1]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:5A:F14:58CF:75B3:8959:DFF7:1645 ( talk) 09:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
la Repubblica: 1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:5A:F14:5883:16D:EB46:2366:A4A2 ( talk) 16:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)