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Sorry, I did not get permission from HBO (although I cited the source). I created a brief stub instead with the source materials linked to it.O&A —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.59.229 ( talk • contribs)
I added Dr. Baden's O&A Appearence. --
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Constant additions/reversions by Vcuttolo use the word "fired" or "firing" when dealing with Baden. Baden was removed from his posts by not being reappointed or not serving out preliminary trial periods. These are inaccurate uses of the term "fired" and are not used in the references. Hence, the references have been deleted. Suggestions of COI are also inappropriate as I have merely cleaned up the references. Suggest a lighter tone and less stridence on the part of Vcuttolo to insist on editorially highlighting Baden's faults (of which there are many). Andreldritch ( talk) 02:45, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
have become permanent yesterday, making the job his until he retired from it. He will now revert to deputy chief medical examiner." That is not firing, that is "not approving an appointment." This needs to be rephrased to keep with the reference, which is arguably definitive. The New York magazine quote states "Koch demoted Baden in August 1979, replacing him with Elliot Gross." Again, neither of these primary sources say "fired" and in fact indicate not being fired. The NBC reference was written more than 30 years after the fact, and does not include an author byline, which makes it suspect. The Daily Beast piece was written some 40 years after the fact, and does not deal with the specifics of the removal, as the Times article does. I will again change the phrasing from fired to removal and controversy, my initial post, and leave your references in place. Andreldritch ( talk) 04:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
The sources I added absolutely say he was fired. There are now a long list of sources using the word "fired". Koch had to navigate legally, but eventually Baden sued Koch for firing him, and the court used the term "fired" when addressing the situation; I included the court ruling as a source as well. Whatever you mean by "controversy", if you will not get into it further in the article - and it is probably more information than his Wikipedia bio needs - than mentioning "controversy" makes little sense. He was let go, period. In other words, he was fired. Go ask the Washington Post, NBC, the judge who heard the case, the Daily Beast, New York magazine, and every other source that said he was fired. He was fired. Vcuttolo ( talk) 23:19, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
A lot of things are mentioned twice (position in NY state, membership in the Kennedy panel). Is one time not enough?-- Kriddl ( talk) 00:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
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Sorry, I did not get permission from HBO (although I cited the source). I created a brief stub instead with the source materials linked to it.O&A —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.59.229 ( talk • contribs)
I added Dr. Baden's O&A Appearence. --
24.131.94.19 (
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19:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Constant additions/reversions by Vcuttolo use the word "fired" or "firing" when dealing with Baden. Baden was removed from his posts by not being reappointed or not serving out preliminary trial periods. These are inaccurate uses of the term "fired" and are not used in the references. Hence, the references have been deleted. Suggestions of COI are also inappropriate as I have merely cleaned up the references. Suggest a lighter tone and less stridence on the part of Vcuttolo to insist on editorially highlighting Baden's faults (of which there are many). Andreldritch ( talk) 02:45, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
have become permanent yesterday, making the job his until he retired from it. He will now revert to deputy chief medical examiner." That is not firing, that is "not approving an appointment." This needs to be rephrased to keep with the reference, which is arguably definitive. The New York magazine quote states "Koch demoted Baden in August 1979, replacing him with Elliot Gross." Again, neither of these primary sources say "fired" and in fact indicate not being fired. The NBC reference was written more than 30 years after the fact, and does not include an author byline, which makes it suspect. The Daily Beast piece was written some 40 years after the fact, and does not deal with the specifics of the removal, as the Times article does. I will again change the phrasing from fired to removal and controversy, my initial post, and leave your references in place. Andreldritch ( talk) 04:34, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
The sources I added absolutely say he was fired. There are now a long list of sources using the word "fired". Koch had to navigate legally, but eventually Baden sued Koch for firing him, and the court used the term "fired" when addressing the situation; I included the court ruling as a source as well. Whatever you mean by "controversy", if you will not get into it further in the article - and it is probably more information than his Wikipedia bio needs - than mentioning "controversy" makes little sense. He was let go, period. In other words, he was fired. Go ask the Washington Post, NBC, the judge who heard the case, the Daily Beast, New York magazine, and every other source that said he was fired. He was fired. Vcuttolo ( talk) 23:19, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
A lot of things are mentioned twice (position in NY state, membership in the Kennedy panel). Is one time not enough?-- Kriddl ( talk) 00:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)