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It is also important to note that upon her appointment as GG, Jean will automatically be appointed to the Order of Canada as the rank of Companion (C.C). Her spouse will also become a C.C, bring the total up to 165, the maximum allowed under law. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:08, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Where's the reference for her religion?-- Westendgirl 23:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
When was the last time the governer general was a Briton?
There is a prelim photo relased by the PMO office: http://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/jean.jpg. We can claim CanadaCopyright on this one. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Info that isn't mentioned in the article that you might want to confirm and add: She has won - the Amnesty International Journalism Award in 1995 (a 15-part series on women) - the 1994 Anik Prize for information reporting - the 2000 Galaxi Award for best information program host.
The documentaries she has worked with Jean-Daniel Lafond to produce - L'heure de Cuba (1999) - 40th anniversary of the Cuban revolution - Tropique Nord (1994)- condition of blacks in Quebec - Haiti dans tous nos rêves (1995).
There is a lot of other info there too - http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/personality/index.jsp?personality=Jean%2C+Michaelle&program=Passionate+Eye
Should we have links to blogs or should we stick with links like the CBC? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I think the correct pronounciation of her first name should definitely be put on her page. It's a fairly uncommon name and I've heard different news outlets pronounce it differently
I just wanted to write that if anyone ever watches the wonderful documentary show "Ruff Cuts" Michaëlle Jean is on it a lot and she Always introduces herself. And it is most definately 2 (TWO) syllables in length (her first name that is). After the "Mi" the rest is one syllable, unless you want to count the final "le" as a syllable, but it just rolls off the tounge. Listen to her say her OWN name--then discuss. Her show is on CBC NewsWorld. P.S.: Another good documentary show also on NewsWorld is the "Passionate Eye." I have seen some of the best televison in my life on both of those shows. P.P.S: My favourite docu so far this year was: "The Power of Nightmares." Pretty scary stuff. -- dbishop 19:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Weren't you looking for the French pronunciation? Because [miː·kæ·ɛɫ ʒɛ̃] seems strange in French (especially the last name)...
I would propose [mi·ka·ɛl ʒɑ̃]--
Staatenloser
18:24, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I am trying to find remarks from people other thank Mme. Jean, PM Martin and Clarkson. I only found Harper, and no other party is commenting on it, though I think the Bloc should say something. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Is this just a coincidence or is there something more to it? Michelle Jean is the fourth GG in a row to have had some kind of connection to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC). My question is to anyone who can answer it; what significance, if there is one, does this indicate, and above all, what role does the CBC play in Canadian politics? Capt.Nero
Could some of you please watchlist Template:Canada infobox? Anon users have already edited the box twice to list Michaëlle Jean as the current GG even though Adrienne C is still in office until September 27. It's been reverted both times, but I wouldn't put it past people to keep changing it. The more people we have keeping an eye on it, the better. Bearcat 19:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't think this section is very accurate. The PM said her appointment had nothing to do with political motives and the political scientist said Quebecois will not care about who's the GG. [1] It's been over twenty years since we've had a GG from Quebec and most knew it would be a Quebecker this time. How is that controversial? DoubleBlue ( Talk) 22:02, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Just a quick note on my rewording of the Jeanne Sauvé reference: a Fransaskois who moves to Montreal does not become Québécois; she becomes "a Fransaskois living in Montreal". The provincial francophone subgroups are defined by province of birth more than province of adult residence. (See French Canadian for further info.) It's potentially confusing to represent this accurately, but the fact that Sauvé's political career was associated with Quebec doesn't change the fact that she wasn't Québécois (in the same way that Paul Martin is Franco-Ontarian and not Québécois, even though his career has been also associated with Montreal), so I've changed the wording to "from Quebec". Bearcat 00:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
you know that canada is in trouble when it appointing a Qubec separatist to be the ispo facto head of government in canada. it is a sad time for the state of the nation when it comes to this to keep the liberal party in power.
Ok, I found this from the main GG article: "The monarch appoints the Governor General on the advice of the Prime Minister of Canada. From 1867 to 1952, every Governor General was a subject of the United Kingdom and a member of the aristocracy. The last British Governor General was Harold Alexander, 1st Viscount Alexander of Tunis, who served from 1946 to 1952. Since Vincent Massey's appointment in 1952, the position has been held only by Canadians. Moreover, by tradition, the post has been held alternately by English-Canadians and French-Canadians. Beginning in 1967, the Prime Minister has forwarded the Queen a single name when proposing a vice-regal appointment; previously a list of several names had been given to the Queen." Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I moved the trivia that Jean holds dual citizenship from the controversy section to the Appointment section where it mentions all the the other trivia like entire family is of non-Canadian birth. I see an anon recently duplicated the same fact to the biography section, where it also makes sense (though I personally feel it's uninteresting). I'm sure even Jacob Two-Two would think it's redundant and repetitive to say the same thing two times and twice identical info. Where does it best belong? DoubleBlue ( Talk) 05:48, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I saw someone added a new controversy today, the article about René Boulanger. I added the fact that Boulanger's purpose is to make English Canada angry about Lafond and that they reject the candidature of Michaëlle Jean in order to reinforce separatist movement in Québec. Maybe the Globe and Mail doesn't mention that, bu Boulanger did, in
Le Devoir
today.
If my English wording is not good enough, I please you to correct my text!--
Staatenloser
18:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Many of the critics are saying Paul Martin was "incompetent" when he chose Jean for GG. I don't think he was, infact, I believe he chose Jean because he knew her husband, Jean Lafond, was a pro-Seperatist figure. If you look at it, what a great choice it must have been for Martin to choose someone with seperatist ties. Along with former Bloc Quebecois member Jean LaPierre, it would seem as if the seperatists have a tight loop around the Liberal Party, and can insure that Quebecois needs will come above most. Win-Win for the seperatists, but also perhaps may insure the Liberals will gain support in Quebec? I maybe completly wrong, of course, but thats just my view on the issue. Anyone agree or disagree? Capt.Nero
No Zscout, my opinion is simply just that, an opinion. I don't have any sources or columnists that would support my point of yet, however, I have listened into political commentary on CH a Hamilton, Ontario based broadcast station, and one of the commentataters mentioned something similar to what I said about Jean LaPierre. Capt.Nero
This whole fucking thing is just absurd. So Jacques Rose built them a bookshelf. Big fat hairy whoopdefuckingdoo. We live in a country in which the right to a private ballot is inviolable; no Canadian is ever obliged to reveal how he or she voted in an election or referendum. [******* ******] really needs to **** off and die now. </rant-off> Bearcat, who can POV on a talk page if I want to 06:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
How do you kick people out of wiki?-- Esto 04:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Bearcat, I don't think there is proof to support that these accusations are all accusations being made by the Conservatives. It could be the Conservatives, Quebec seperatists, or a combination of both. I personnally believe both the Cons, and the seperatists are spinning their bullshit, but thats just me. Capt.Nero
It seems to me to be pretty important to make sure we have sources (actual citations) for all information in the article on the "controversy." I have removed the following pending a cite:
Could the writer of this (or anyone) please provide a citation (newspaper article, name of documentary, etc.) for it? Sunray 17:25, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
This is somewhat interesting. I don't know if it deserves a place in the article. But Jean is connected or represents more minorities and groups than any past Governors General (in no specific order):
Can you think of more? Colipon+( T) 03:17, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I notice that the right hand box with her picture, personal and career details and Rank etc. nowhere states that it deals with the Governor General of Canada. This could be confusing for people who come to one of the Governors General for some other reason (author John Buchan for example) and wonder what the box is there for and what Rank is being denoted. Dabbler 19:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Unless there is a subtlety of Canadian constitutional law, which I have failed to understand, Jean is the DE JURE and NOT the DE FACTO head of state. In other words, although she is the head of state by law (jure), she does not actually exercise the power in fact (facto), which is done by the cabinet, or more specifically the Prime Minister.
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It is also important to note that upon her appointment as GG, Jean will automatically be appointed to the Order of Canada as the rank of Companion (C.C). Her spouse will also become a C.C, bring the total up to 165, the maximum allowed under law. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:08, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Where's the reference for her religion?-- Westendgirl 23:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
When was the last time the governer general was a Briton?
There is a prelim photo relased by the PMO office: http://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/jean.jpg. We can claim CanadaCopyright on this one. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Info that isn't mentioned in the article that you might want to confirm and add: She has won - the Amnesty International Journalism Award in 1995 (a 15-part series on women) - the 1994 Anik Prize for information reporting - the 2000 Galaxi Award for best information program host.
The documentaries she has worked with Jean-Daniel Lafond to produce - L'heure de Cuba (1999) - 40th anniversary of the Cuban revolution - Tropique Nord (1994)- condition of blacks in Quebec - Haiti dans tous nos rêves (1995).
There is a lot of other info there too - http://www.cbc.ca/programguide/personality/index.jsp?personality=Jean%2C+Michaelle&program=Passionate+Eye
Should we have links to blogs or should we stick with links like the CBC? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:22, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I think the correct pronounciation of her first name should definitely be put on her page. It's a fairly uncommon name and I've heard different news outlets pronounce it differently
I just wanted to write that if anyone ever watches the wonderful documentary show "Ruff Cuts" Michaëlle Jean is on it a lot and she Always introduces herself. And it is most definately 2 (TWO) syllables in length (her first name that is). After the "Mi" the rest is one syllable, unless you want to count the final "le" as a syllable, but it just rolls off the tounge. Listen to her say her OWN name--then discuss. Her show is on CBC NewsWorld. P.S.: Another good documentary show also on NewsWorld is the "Passionate Eye." I have seen some of the best televison in my life on both of those shows. P.P.S: My favourite docu so far this year was: "The Power of Nightmares." Pretty scary stuff. -- dbishop 19:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Weren't you looking for the French pronunciation? Because [miː·kæ·ɛɫ ʒɛ̃] seems strange in French (especially the last name)...
I would propose [mi·ka·ɛl ʒɑ̃]--
Staatenloser
18:24, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I am trying to find remarks from people other thank Mme. Jean, PM Martin and Clarkson. I only found Harper, and no other party is commenting on it, though I think the Bloc should say something. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Is this just a coincidence or is there something more to it? Michelle Jean is the fourth GG in a row to have had some kind of connection to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC). My question is to anyone who can answer it; what significance, if there is one, does this indicate, and above all, what role does the CBC play in Canadian politics? Capt.Nero
Could some of you please watchlist Template:Canada infobox? Anon users have already edited the box twice to list Michaëlle Jean as the current GG even though Adrienne C is still in office until September 27. It's been reverted both times, but I wouldn't put it past people to keep changing it. The more people we have keeping an eye on it, the better. Bearcat 19:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't think this section is very accurate. The PM said her appointment had nothing to do with political motives and the political scientist said Quebecois will not care about who's the GG. [1] It's been over twenty years since we've had a GG from Quebec and most knew it would be a Quebecker this time. How is that controversial? DoubleBlue ( Talk) 22:02, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Just a quick note on my rewording of the Jeanne Sauvé reference: a Fransaskois who moves to Montreal does not become Québécois; she becomes "a Fransaskois living in Montreal". The provincial francophone subgroups are defined by province of birth more than province of adult residence. (See French Canadian for further info.) It's potentially confusing to represent this accurately, but the fact that Sauvé's political career was associated with Quebec doesn't change the fact that she wasn't Québécois (in the same way that Paul Martin is Franco-Ontarian and not Québécois, even though his career has been also associated with Montreal), so I've changed the wording to "from Quebec". Bearcat 00:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
you know that canada is in trouble when it appointing a Qubec separatist to be the ispo facto head of government in canada. it is a sad time for the state of the nation when it comes to this to keep the liberal party in power.
Ok, I found this from the main GG article: "The monarch appoints the Governor General on the advice of the Prime Minister of Canada. From 1867 to 1952, every Governor General was a subject of the United Kingdom and a member of the aristocracy. The last British Governor General was Harold Alexander, 1st Viscount Alexander of Tunis, who served from 1946 to 1952. Since Vincent Massey's appointment in 1952, the position has been held only by Canadians. Moreover, by tradition, the post has been held alternately by English-Canadians and French-Canadians. Beginning in 1967, the Prime Minister has forwarded the Queen a single name when proposing a vice-regal appointment; previously a list of several names had been given to the Queen." Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I moved the trivia that Jean holds dual citizenship from the controversy section to the Appointment section where it mentions all the the other trivia like entire family is of non-Canadian birth. I see an anon recently duplicated the same fact to the biography section, where it also makes sense (though I personally feel it's uninteresting). I'm sure even Jacob Two-Two would think it's redundant and repetitive to say the same thing two times and twice identical info. Where does it best belong? DoubleBlue ( Talk) 05:48, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I saw someone added a new controversy today, the article about René Boulanger. I added the fact that Boulanger's purpose is to make English Canada angry about Lafond and that they reject the candidature of Michaëlle Jean in order to reinforce separatist movement in Québec. Maybe the Globe and Mail doesn't mention that, bu Boulanger did, in
Le Devoir
today.
If my English wording is not good enough, I please you to correct my text!--
Staatenloser
18:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Many of the critics are saying Paul Martin was "incompetent" when he chose Jean for GG. I don't think he was, infact, I believe he chose Jean because he knew her husband, Jean Lafond, was a pro-Seperatist figure. If you look at it, what a great choice it must have been for Martin to choose someone with seperatist ties. Along with former Bloc Quebecois member Jean LaPierre, it would seem as if the seperatists have a tight loop around the Liberal Party, and can insure that Quebecois needs will come above most. Win-Win for the seperatists, but also perhaps may insure the Liberals will gain support in Quebec? I maybe completly wrong, of course, but thats just my view on the issue. Anyone agree or disagree? Capt.Nero
No Zscout, my opinion is simply just that, an opinion. I don't have any sources or columnists that would support my point of yet, however, I have listened into political commentary on CH a Hamilton, Ontario based broadcast station, and one of the commentataters mentioned something similar to what I said about Jean LaPierre. Capt.Nero
This whole fucking thing is just absurd. So Jacques Rose built them a bookshelf. Big fat hairy whoopdefuckingdoo. We live in a country in which the right to a private ballot is inviolable; no Canadian is ever obliged to reveal how he or she voted in an election or referendum. [******* ******] really needs to **** off and die now. </rant-off> Bearcat, who can POV on a talk page if I want to 06:00, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
How do you kick people out of wiki?-- Esto 04:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Bearcat, I don't think there is proof to support that these accusations are all accusations being made by the Conservatives. It could be the Conservatives, Quebec seperatists, or a combination of both. I personnally believe both the Cons, and the seperatists are spinning their bullshit, but thats just me. Capt.Nero
It seems to me to be pretty important to make sure we have sources (actual citations) for all information in the article on the "controversy." I have removed the following pending a cite:
Could the writer of this (or anyone) please provide a citation (newspaper article, name of documentary, etc.) for it? Sunray 17:25, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
This is somewhat interesting. I don't know if it deserves a place in the article. But Jean is connected or represents more minorities and groups than any past Governors General (in no specific order):
Can you think of more? Colipon+( T) 03:17, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
I notice that the right hand box with her picture, personal and career details and Rank etc. nowhere states that it deals with the Governor General of Canada. This could be confusing for people who come to one of the Governors General for some other reason (author John Buchan for example) and wonder what the box is there for and what Rank is being denoted. Dabbler 19:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Unless there is a subtlety of Canadian constitutional law, which I have failed to understand, Jean is the DE JURE and NOT the DE FACTO head of state. In other words, although she is the head of state by law (jure), she does not actually exercise the power in fact (facto), which is done by the cabinet, or more specifically the Prime Minister.
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |