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I just want to make sure that no one made a mistake.
-G
The official name of the country in Spanish is, Estados Unidos Mexicanos, the more accurate translation would be, United Mexican States -- Raulmb 23:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
The original official name of the country is Estados-Unidos Mexicanos. That would mean Mexican United-States. (read below for more information). Aldera 11:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The table shows 19 million people in Mexico City, but the Mexico City page says 36,720,916. That's an awful lot more! On the Mexico City page, that 19 million is just the suburbs ("greater Mexico City"). I wonder which one is correct? And are the numbers for the other cities correct? Xezlec 05:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
what? which is the source? ive searched but there isnt a source that show that this statement is a fact.
Its probably just an opinion. Nevertheless it is one of the most influential bands of the country. Should we chage it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diegofrgc ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 6 June 2007
It is really (and thats a shame) the most known mexican band. They are considerable popular in Germany for example, where their latest CD was reviewed in many of the most important specialized magazines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.86.108 ( talk) 16:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It's hidden, until the second moon returns. Still isn't Mexico's black population more like 3-5% at least of the country?
I deleted a claim about the muncipality of San Pedro in economy section, due to the fact it has not a source the source it used to have; source Doesn't content the right caraceteristics to be considered as a source. And the first source; 2004 UNPD Mexico Report on HDI source 2 specifies clearly the first claim and never specifies the second claim, wich is probably true but as i said the source doesn't the caracteristics to be considered as so since you need an Spanish account to get the information. If somebody has a source wich specifies the claims i deleted please paste as soon as possible. Cheers-- Raveonpraghga 23:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
As some of you know, I am a web designer and I started contributing here in Wikipedia because I wanted to improve the quality of the graphics used (I started with the Mexican Flag). So I would like to a make a list of the graphical material that might be needed to improve the article. Please, help me make a list.
Alex
Covarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 16:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
As all of we know, there are two basic models applied to the American continent:
I created the article North America (Americas) that is about the region/subcontinent of the American continent. It was nominated for deletion because they say it is the same as North America (meaning continent). Both articles are about different subjects.
Please
READ the evidence, comment and vote
here.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 10:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Is prostitution legal in Mexico? What exactly are the laws, what is allowed and what isn't? - Mike Payne 06:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Its not legal but not strongly enforced. In fact in major cities throughout Mexico there are whore houses which identify themselves by having a red light bulb. Thus the light bulb is on when its open for business. Police have been known to take bribes in order not to shut this houses down and some cases receive personal favors as well.
Serio 310 19:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)serio_310 Serio 310 19:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC) 0410, 25 March 2007 (India)
The user that tried to change the translation of United Mexican States has created a page titled Mexican United States, which is clearly a POV forking, due to the fact that that is an incorrect translation. I think we should nominate that article for deletion.
Why "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" is not translated as "Mexican United States":
By the time the official name of the country was coined (19th century), the logic-sintax style was highly common. The official name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos", which is exaclty the same as saying "Estados Mexicanos Unidos", meaning the union in a federation (political system of Mexico) of all the Mexican states. It was not coined to mean the "Mexican United States" which would sound like they wanted to name the country the "Mexican" version of the "United States".
English translation must not be literally taken from the name in spanish. It is a common mistake because in english, the sintax rules state that the adjective should be listed first and then the noun.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 15:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Administrator took a dubious decision about the debate about the deletion of this article. The result should have been no concensus. This article was about the region of the Americas named "North America". All of the other regions within the Americas, under the various geographical models to divide it, have their own article: Middle America (Americas), Central America, Northern America, Caribbean and South America. Please, read carefully the AfD page and the reasons provided to undelete the article.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 17:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I tell you why. The Americas are divided using the following concepts (most of them geographical) and each of them have their own article:
Central America, the Caribbean, Northern America and Middle America are said to be part of North America as a continent. Then, should we also delete all of those articles and merge them into "North America"? Because that's the rationale they are using for the deletion of NA.
However, and most importantly, the debate was closed and the opinions were highly divided, between keep, delete and merge. So, no consensus was reached. They say it was not a votation, so why are they giving more weight to the delete votes? It is just unfair.
About the win/lose situation, as you said, it is not about that, at least, it is not to me. It is a question of accuracy and now, justice, since the article was unfairly deleted.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 18:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
This whole article is largley incorrect. It portrays mexico as a modern and prosperous economy with harly any poverty. If this were the case why would there be over 10 million people or roughly 10% of the entire population of Mexico, risk their lives crossing through deserts with hardly any water into the United States just to get away from the poverty in mexico.
"Mexico is firmly established as an upper middle-income country."
This incredibly false statement generally summirizes the view on poverty in this article. How can anybody believe this hearing reports every day on the news of more people dying of thirst crossing the border to the United States to escape the poverty in Mexico. Whoever wrote this article is just like all the other people who try to shove the problem under the carpet and expect no one in the outside world to realize its there.
I agree with you guys, but like I told Andy, what is missing is the recent report on mild or "moderate" poverty in which 45% of the population lives. It is a high percentage, and it could be argued that moderate poverty is the relative majority (not the absolute), and not necessarily the middle class. -- theDúnadan 02:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I really, really, really, really, and I insist, really doubt the World Bank uses definitions as relative as Zambrano vis-à-vis Slim to define poverty. I don't think their highly educated analysts are that naïve, do you really think so? But if you wish I will find out what they mean by "moderate" poverty. -- theDúnadan 04:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, which futbol stadium picture should we put in the Sport section, "Estadio Azteca or Monterey. I reckon Estadio Azteca should be the one, because it is the premiere and biggest staduim in Mexico. -- Ramírez 00:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, I was thinking that the table with all the states' info is kinda repetitive (and looooong), since the main article already has one. What about creating a more visual-appealing table, with the map of states and only the state name and extension?
It is just that the current table is really long, I don't know... I think I can do create a more beutiful table. What do you think? Or perhaps a clickable map with the name of the states?
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 22:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, about the map... I really liked the colored map I recreated. The big problem about that map was that the regions highlighted were arbitraty (I just redesigned it!). What about highlighting the regions as traditionally used within Mexico? Here are some states I know for a fact are linked in regions:
My suggestion is to create a colored-clickable map as the one in the article
Provinces and territories of Canada or
Brazil. It look so professional. I know I can create a map like that for this article, it deserves it!
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 23:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I like the idea of the clickable map very much, it looks very professional, but I still dislike the idea of creating regions that simply do not exist. They do exist in the US, they do exist in Brazil, they do exist in Argentina, but not in Mexico and not in Canada. We will engage in endless debates with new users as they complain that their state should be located in such and such, but not in such and such, or why did we name a region like that and not differently, and anyone could be right because there is no definitive universal regional division in Mexico. And even if we all agree on the regional division, we would be engaging in WP:OR, something that shouldn't be done in Wikipedia. I would rather have a colored map of the states without grouping them by region. -- theDúnadan 00:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Controversial states are usually at the center-south-southeast. For example, Puebla, which is often reckoned as an Eastern state (because it was the connection of the East with the capital, not because it was economically related to them; in fact, Autobuses de Oriente was headquarter at Puebla to service the Oriente of the country), and sometimes as a central state, more related economically to Hidalgo and Querétaro. El Bajío is usually a region, but I have never seen it as an administrative region (usually comes up as simply center, or center-north). Moreover if El Bajío is an administrative region, so is la Comarca Lagunera (Coah-Dgo) or la Huasteca (SLP-Ver-Hgo). Same thing with the southern states of Oaxaca and Guerrero in relation to the Yucatán Peninsula, which you grouped as a single southern region. I think the only more or less defined regions are the north and northwestern. Even the West is a little controversial, in that Aguascalientes is could be placed in the West along with Jalisco. See what I mean? We can open a poll if you wish, but I still think we would be bordering in WP:OR.
Now, I wouldn't worry about colors. See for example the map of the US states; just pick 5 or 6 colors, and use them for the states; simply do not use the same color for two adjacent states. I don't particularly like the layout of the US map, I think you would do a much much better job than they did. =)
Speaking of maps, would you be interested in doing a map of the municipalities of Mexico? (the whole country) I can provide you with a map (copyrighted) of the whole country divided into municipalities, if that helps you. I might be a tedious job, but we can use it for many purposes (economics, IDH, GDP, etc.). Let me know what you think.
Cheers,
-- theDúnadan 01:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Well I just finished the clickable map! I have also added it to the geography section. I hope you guys like it. I wanted it a little smaller, but it would have been hard to add the links for the central states. There's still the issue about the regions. I haven't added any reference to them, but the map is colored according to the above regions.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 09:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I know that the SVG file is vectorial, so it can be resized. However, it is not a very extended file format and regular users can't really use it or edit it. Also the SVG version (a conversion, not an original file) has lower quality and the details of the COA are lost. Please comment/vote on this:
Please click the images and take a look at the higher resolutions available.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 00:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
In order to avoid another bunch of edit reversions I open this debate and ask for a votation. I'll present the facts and suggested solution. Please comment.
FACTS
1. As all of we know, Mexico is in North America, a continent (or subcontinent) that can also be divided into smaller geographical regions:
2. The current first paragraph of the section Geography, mentions that:
This wording implies that the term Middle America is broadly used, in almost the same sense as NA is, which is not accurate. The paragraph also fails to report that Middle America is not the only possible geographic subdivision that can be used, since there is no reference to NA meaning the US, Mex and Can.
3. Most of the references and citations we have seen in the part months, define Mexico as a country in North America or at the south of North America. So far I have not seen any reference directly indicating "Mexico is a country of Middle America".
PROPOSALS
Simply edit the current paragraph in order to give the term the appropiate weight, to mantain accuracy. The fact that Mexico is also in North America (as a region) can be ignored, since the article North America already elaborates about it in the usage section, that's OK for now.
Or, as an alternative:
Please comment/vote about the proposals. Also feel free to add your own proposal.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 19:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this is the right place for personal comments. I commend you both for your valuable work and encourage you to debate peacefully. Having said so, in spite of considering that any changes to what has become almost a consensual version are, for the most part, minimal, I think the first sentence in the section does need a little rewording. As of now, it reads "Mexico is situated in the mid-latitudes of the Americas, comprising much of southern North America[5][6] or also within Middle America.'" From what I can tell (and I might be revising my own perception, based on what I've been reading), Middle America seems to be a cultural or geopolitical region, whereas Central America (and North America) are also geographical or geophysical regions (clearly defined by geography, i.e. isthmuses, tectonic plates, or physiograaphically by changes in topography). The sentence, as it reads now, implies that Middle America is a geographical region defined by latitudes who also "happens to be" a cultural region. (In fact, none of the sources listed here define Middle America by latitudes but by "countries", i.e. [maybe] geopolitics, culture or linguistics).
In that sense we must be careful when defining implicitly Middle America here (or explicitly in Middle America (Americas)). While it is quite obvious that Mexico is located in the mid-latitudes of the Americas (geographically) and according to some sources also in a region called "Middle America", that doesn't mean the two concepts are the same, or that one is the definition of the other. (Corticopia, if I am mistaken, and there is a source that does define Middle America exclusively by geographical latitudes, then could you please add a link to it?). So, I would accept any rewording that includes all locations of Mexico within the different geographical, geophysical, cultural and geopolitical regions, as long as we do not generate confusion. -- theDúnadan 20:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I read it, but it doesn't define the region by latitudes (as it is implied here and in explicitly defined as such in Middle America (Americas)). While I cannot [?] argue against a reputable source such as Britannica, they are considering the whole country [Mexico] to be an "isthmus" south of the Rocky Mountains (while the Sierra Madre ranges are usually defined as extensions of the Rocky mountains with a different name). I guess this is the first time I've read that Mexico is defined as an isthmus. Anyway, that's a separate issue. Even if Middle America is defined (and even if only by one source) as a geographical and not a geocultural region, it is not defined by latitudes. In that sense, I still advocate for a [small] rewording here and in the other article. In this article I would include Middle America as a cultural region in which Mexico is located after the geopolitical definition of Central America. -- theDúnadan 20:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Given the above discussion, I have another rewording proposal. No qualifiers for the regions and noting NA as a continent.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 21:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, this source (chapter of an e-book) published by Vincent Malmstrom, professor emeritus at Dartmouth College indicates the following:
referring to its location in the low northerly latitudes of North America or, alternatively, the mid-latitudes of the Americas (which is particularly apt if one maintains that Mexico is a part of America). As well:
Anyhow, more later ... Corticopia 23:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I hope you guys enjoyed your Saturday. Welcome back. Concerning the concept of Middle America,
Now, getting back to our main concern, which is the rewording of that sentence. I still believe we should not imply that Middle America is defined as the "mid-latitudes of the Americas" because I haven't found a reference to support that claim. I would leave the sentence as Mexico is situated in the mid-latitudes of the Americas, comprising much of southern North America. And add the sentence about Mexico being in Middle America at the end of the paragraph.
-- theDúnadan 16:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that you changed your own comment while I was editing. I must say your previous (deleted) sentence in which you accused me (literally you said "you both", though now you revert back to what I asked you not to do, to refer to the ambigious "editors") of "promoting neutrality and then discarding it when it doesn't suit me" as well as that of just having an "argumentative farce", and doing things "surreptitiously", and I am not campaigning against a specific point of view. All of that was not only uncalled for, but extremely inappropriate.
In a previous argument you demanded sources for the logical, and now you disregard our petitions for sources for the logical. I, therefore, maintain that the current leads here and there are not sufficient, simply because the statement is unsourced. And I request sources to be added, or the statement to be deleted. I am not attempting to tweak anything without discussion (I haven't edited the section at all). If you are not willing to debate amicably, I wish to discuss no further. -- theDúnadan 21:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I did not support the fork, but I did not support the decision of the administrator either since a full consensus was not achieved. I had rather extended the discussion before a final decision was taken. Please review the log to see my concerns, before bringing up your accusations. I didn't vote, but just commented on that. Given your personal attacks (nationalism, denial, and the sort), I wish to discuss no discuss no further with you. It seems you are also hypocritical in your own arguments demanding sources for the obvious, but unwilling to provide them when they don't suit you; you promote neutrality, except when we challenge your definition. I insist, either you present a source that clearly defines MA the way you want to, or the statements WILL be deleted because they cannot be sustained with sources or references, by policy of Wikipedia. And that is all I have to say. -- theDúnadan 21:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess if Corticopia wants to exclude himself from the debate, then let it be. We can always continue to debate, as we were. As Dúnadan said, you are the one that always ask for "reliable sources" here and there (as in
South America where you erased my edits), so the same rule applies to you. Your threats about what is going to be kept or not, are just not welcome here. I guess we'll just have to wait for your sources, because you're entitled to add them, it's your right to sustain your edits or proposed edits.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 22:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Dúnadan, can we please resume this debate? I have implemented a contention solution (just separating the "mid-latitudes" line from the "Middle America" line with a period. However, it has been recentrly edited again, and again, it portrays the region of "Middle America" as equally used as just the NA continent. I think it is time to resume this and edit the paragraph.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 19:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
ok then, I'll mention my edits here, though I think it's very silly because people make edits all the time without mentioning them on the talk page (dividing the history section in two sections for example, the one I rolled back):
History and Etymology should be two different sections, because it are two different subjects. The "Pre-Columbian Civilizations and Origin of the Name" is not about Pre-Columbian civilizations at all, but only about etymology while "European Colonization and Independence" deals with the entire history instead of just the European colonization and independence. Also the article " Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire" is not the main article about that subject, but only about a part of it (apart from that it's a non-functioning redirect).
Finally the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America is simply not important enough to mention on the history section of this article. Out of all the things that happened during the Fox administration the SPPNA is really not one of the most important facts. Better mention it in the History of Mexico article, which needs to be revamped anyway. Mixcoatl 04:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Having a picture of a lepisosteus (pejelagarto) in the biodiversity section, just before the politics sections, is controversial at best. 1) there are other species that are endemic to Mexico 2) This particular species makes reference to another particular politician (el pejelagarto, Lopez Obrador) 3) The nearness of the picture with the politics section may lead some readers to believe that the article supports a particular political point of view. Because of the above, I would prefer if the picture of the lepisosteus was replaced. Furthermore, since the biodiversity subsection is so small, I don't really see it needs a picture. I have, therefore, removed it. Hari Seldon 18:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
It is an implicit reference. I would still prefer a more widely known and less controversial picture. Hari Seldon 18:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The picture is that of a "pejelagarto". "Pejelagarto" is also the nickname of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the controversial politican who lost the highly contested 2006 Presidential Election. This same picture, or one similar to it, has also been featured at different points in time in the wikipedia article about Lopez Obrador (though I don't think it is featured anymore). The fact that the biodiversity section is placed just before the politics section also contributes to the controversial placement. What I am saying is that this picture may draw more attention to a current political controversy than to the biodiversity of Mexico. A better picture can easily be found, and said picture need not have the political content involved. The picture can be interpreted as "spineless, fish-like, politicans are part of the biodiversity" or a message from Lopez Obrador supporters saying "we cannot be ignored, we are here". Either way, it is controversial and may be interpreted as saying more than it intends. Because of these reasons, I don't think it is prudent to include this particular picture. Hari Seldon 19:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
In a recent edition, the first paragraph was changed. That change implied that the 2000 presidential election was the first time [ever] that an opossition party defeated the "ruling party" (PRI). That is totally wrong. The PAN and the PRD have already defeated the PRI in municipal and state elections before 2000. This year was the first time the PRI was defeated in a presidential race. That's all. Please, see the changes
[5].
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 23:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, user FateClub let this message in my user talk:
I honestly don't get his point. Or maybe it is that I haven't slept in 34 hours. Well, I just paste it here so other people can comment. The current introduction seems fine to me. Comments!
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 23:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
To say that PRI ruled Mexico since 1929 is incorrect because it wasn't founded until 1946, and even if for non-specialist people the difference seems vain, actually PNR, PRM and PRI had particular features that made each stage of the develpment of the party very different from the others.I think the article must be corrected. -- 201.141.98.254 04:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Why was semi-protection removed? Vandalism to this article has increased. Please semi-protect this article again! Hari Seldon 02:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I also agree. Just take a look at the history of this article and you'll see it has been protected so many times. It should be permanently semi protected.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 16:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh man, what we gonna do with this people, huh, Mexico is probably the second most hated country in the world after the USA, as you might have seen the vandals came from both North America and South America, this s..t simply proves my theory that US Citizens hate Mexico because of the illegal immigration issue and the wrong idea that they have about the country, and South Americans hate Mexico as well because they know that we're better than them in many aspects, oh.. What a situation we got ourselves into, isn't it? Supaman89 20:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok now I'm back. I'll just request protection for the article in the appropiate page, I was so tired in the morning that I couldn't do it.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 03:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
In order to provide a fast way of showing the correct link to each political party article, and to show its initials and colors, I have created the following templates. Originally, the actual official logo was going to be used, but those logos were uploaded with a "fair use" license, and Wikipedia explicitly forbbids the use of such images in templates. So I created generic symbols, with the party initials and colors, as done in the Mexican press and media.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 08:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
What to type | Result |
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{{PAN party}} |
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{{PRI party}} |
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{{PRD party}} |
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{{PT party}} |
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{{PVEM party}} |
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{{CON party}} |
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Congratulations! Excellent work! Your contributions will not only improve Mexico-related articles here, but in other wikipedias as well. -- the Dúnadan 16:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, guys I just wanted to show you the new template that I just made for all users from Mexico, if anyone wants to use it, please feel free to do so, now we have two choices instead of just one.
Supaman89 20:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's the old one.
![]() | This user comes from Mexico. |
Here's the one I just made.
| This user comes from the United Mexican States. And they're proudly Mexican. |
Man, I almost forgot to show you this one: Supaman89 16:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
es- mx | Este usuario puede contribuir con un nivel vernacular del español que se habla en México. |
Hello members of the discussion board. I'd like to submit for consideration adding an external link to [www.esmexico.com], which is an external website that contains a photographic database of all Mexico. The photos are do not comply with the GNU license, so I'm not able to just add them to Wiki images, but given the number of photos that it has (currently 11,000), it makes for an excelent visual database.
I'm a new member in the English version of Wikipedia, but have been a contributor to the Spanish version of Wikipedia on articles related to Mexico and its geography (user name is the same as here) for over a year. This external link was discussed and aproved in the Spanish language article of Mexico, and it's included as Base de Datos de Fotos de México on the External Links.
As a final note I'd like to add that it features 11,000 photos of geography and culture related images and historical (antique) pictures of Mexico. On top of these, we feature over 4,000 antique Mexican postcards. Altogether there are more than 15,000 images. More than any other website around, including goverment and tourism pages.--
Esmexico 14:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Did anyone request this page to be unprotected? This page gets constant vandalism everyday. Shouldn't it be permanently protected à la United States or George Bush?? -- the Dúnadan 18:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently deleted the sources for Filipino Mexicans and added them to the list with other Asian peoples in Mexico (Chinese, Korean, etc.) One source read as follows:
( Following the Third World War and the Mexican conquest of the United States territories to its north, the liberal Mexican government resettled Hispanophone Filipino refugees from their camps in the East Indian Commonwealth to the promising if underpopulated northwestern states of greater Mexico. More quickly than Korean-Mexicans, the Filipino immigrant communities of the California and Sonora are quickly mixing with their native-born Mexican neighbours, due to the Filipinos' knowledge of Spanish and their Catholicism. )
First of all, who in the world really acknowledges that there has been a third world war? And when were the U.S.'s territories ever 'conquered' by Mexico??? These are not very good sources...just read them. They say nothing about what these people are trying to back up.
Also, the Filipinos mixed in quicker than Koreans because of prior Spanish skills? Filipinos have virtually no knowledge of Spanish...let's find some real sources, besides what's wrong with adding them into the list with other Asians..why not show how many Chinese or Japanese immigrants there have been...Such a small group like Filipinos really have no consequence in Mexico anyway. signed Cali567 23:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Reply: Do not be such an ignorant and have some common sense, Filipinos or East Timorese are a different oriental race compared to Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc. Why are you comparing Filipinos to Chinese, Koreans, Japanese etc. when infact the Filipino mentality, language and culture do not matched up with other Asians. And also there are some Mexicans who are descendance of Filipino origin. Have some common sense the Philippines was part of the territory of New Spain during the colonial period. Filipinos, Spaniards or Mexicans have been travelling in the Manila-Acapulco Galleon between 1565-1815, assisting Spain's trade with Philippines and Mexico. There was some integration between the three groups in terms of population demography. I'm still researching on this article and gathering all the facts. It will expand soon, You have to have patients cali, Wikipedia is not a place for "Nuetral Point of Views", "Personal Attack" or "Racism", the next you make an attempt to racialy attack an ethnic group, "I will blocked you". I'm giving you one more chance.-- Ramírez 10:17 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Of course the Philippines have always been present in Mexican history, as Mexico was the administrator of that territory, however, the 600,000 thousand figure comes from the worst source I've ever seen... I can go with the 200,000 that was in the other article but anyways, I think the number should be omitted (As per the number of different ancestries mexican have, it does not have such a relevance) and rewritten to say that there was this pihilippine immigration during the colonial period, that, I find relevant. and Ramirez72, you should check your english, maybe that's the reason you misunderstand your so-called "sources". And Cali, I'm no expert of the Mexico-Filipino relationship but, with some history, I want to believe that there was indeed some immigration of Filipinos to Mexico and that they blended the exact same way as spanish, or europeans (that nowadays we can only see the color of the skin but not certainly identify the origin). Really, Filipinos are a very similar to mexicans in religion, traditions, language (there's still a spanish creole spoken nowadays there). I believe they should have blended much better than other asians so today, we don't find enough relevance. Aldoman 01:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC) An Example of Mexico-Philippines-Spain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED17KtQmyAU Tagalog and some of Philippines' dialect was actually derived in Spanish language and yeah... Zamboanga and part of Cavite City spoke Chavacano spanish creole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.194.35.235 ( talk) 19:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I find it interesting that the reference to the number of adherents of Islam in Mexico was removed as well as the Mexicans of African ancestry.
-Ken —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.17.215.235 ( talk) 18:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
Given the implication in the lead of the paragraph that other Latin-American countries do require their presidents to be Catholic, why wouldn't this be a worthwhile point to make?
-- Richard 20:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Catholic priests are not allowed to hold public office anywhere. However, that doesn't mean that they cannot vote. -- Qompaq1 04:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Unlike some other Latin American countries, Mexico has no official religion, and the Constitution of 1917 and the anti-clerical laws marked a great limitation on the Church and sometimes codified state intrusion into Church matters. The government does not provide any financial contribution to the Church, and the latter does not participate in public education. In 1992 Mexico lifted almost all restrictions on the Catholic Church, including granting all religious groups legal status, conceding them limited property rights, and lifting restrictions on the number of priests in the country. [38] Until recently, priests did not have the right to vote, and even now, they cannot be elected for public office.
Nonetheless, the Mexican population is predominantly Roman Catholic (89%[39]); in absolute terms, after Brazil, Mexico has the second largest population of Catholics in the world. About 6% of the population is Protestant, of which Pentecostals and Charismatics (called Neo-Pentecostals in the census), are the largest group. There are also around 250,000 active Mormons in the country.[40] Geographically, northern and central Mexico are mostly Catholic (where Protestants are usually less than 3% of the total population) whereas at the south-east, while still predominantly Catholic a little more than 15% of the population is either Protestant or non-religious. Forty-seven percent of the Mexican population attends church services weekly.[41]
The existence of Jews in Mexico dates back to as early as 1521, when Hernando Cortés conquered the Aztecs, accompanied by several Conversos. The Mexican Jewish population numbers, according to INEGI, more than 40,000.
This section is very outdated.
the Mexican population is predominantly Roman Catholic 89%
This is obviously grossly inaccurate. How is this defined?
6% of the population is Protestant, of which Pentecostals and Charismatics (called Neo-Pentecostals in the census), are the largest group Where does this number come from? It needs to be updated. It is probably at least 15% today.
There is no mention of the Anglican Church of Mexico, or the Presbyterian or Methodist Churches of Mexico, each of which have a long history and their own seminaries in Mexico!
Official website Anglican Church of Mexico http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/province.cfm?ID=M2
There are many more than 250,000 Mormons in Mexico, and they are growing very rapidly.
http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d10511154963d010VgnVCM1 000004e94610aRCRD
Official figures
Argentina 348,396 Belize 3,079 Bolivia 148,630 Brazil 928,926 Chile 539,193 Colombia 149,973 Costa Rica 34,036 Ecuador 170,736 El Salvador 93,246 Guatemala 200,537 Guyana 1,845 Honduras 116,416 Mexico 1,043,718 Nicaragua 52,184 Panama 40,897 Paraguay 61,308 Peru 416,060 Uruguay 96,943 Venezuela 134,597
TOTAL 4,580,720 (36% of Total LDS Church Membership)
Does anyone moderate this site? There is no country in the world except Vatican City in which 89% of the population is Roman Catholic, and no country in Latin America in which practicng Roman Catholics are a majority. If the INEGI (whatever that is) says 89% of the population of Mexico is Roman Catholic, then the INRGI is obviously not a credible source.
Any organization that reports that 89% of the people of Mexico are practicing Roman Catholics, and that there are only 200,000 Mormoally in Mexico, is a totally unreliable source.
I am in no way associated with you or your comments about Mexico. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.72.211.0 ( talk) 16:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
Retention
At year-end 1999, the LDS Church Almanac reports 846,931 LDS members living in Mexico. This represents the most LDS members 'The current Mexican Mormon Church was established in 1961 and claims just under 850,000 members, Pratt said. However, figures from the 2000 Mexican census, based on self-reported data, place active membership at 205,229. [24%]' (Source:Arizona Republic, July 10, 2001, http://www.azcentral.com/news/0710mormons10.html). Indeed, while nominally identifying oneself as a Latter-day Saint does not necessarily guarantee church activity, it would be difficult to claim that those who do not even identify themselves as Latter-day Saints are active or contributing members. The LDS activity rate derived from a comparison of the 2000 Mexican Census to official membership data -- 24% -- is comparable to that cited in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism: 'Attendance at sacrament meeting varies substantially. Asia and Latin America have weekly attendance rates of about 25 percent...'(Source: Encyclopedia of Mormonism, edited by Daniel H. Ludlow, 1992, 4:1527.) While there are some very dedicated LDS members in Mexico, these represent only a fraction of the total number of individuals 'on the rolls.' Much of this inactivity occurs soon after baptism, and many nominal members have never set foot in an LDS chapel more than once or twice. Adult male converts are especially prone to inactivity, creating serious challenges for local leadership. Lowell Bennion and Lawrence Young note: 'For the U.S. as a whole, only 59% of baptized males ever receive the Melchizedek Priesthood. In the South Pacific, the figure drops to 35%; in Great Britain, 29%. In Mexico (with almost 850,000 members) the figure is 19%.' (Source: Lowell C. Bennion and Lawrence Young, Dialogue, Spring 1996, p.19.) The number of wards and branches in Mexico have not increased as rapidly as LDS membership, due in large part to rampant inactivity. While mission policies are highly heterogenous, much of the problem stems from quick-baptize missionary approaches, which race individuals who have demonstrated little commitment to baptism within 10-day or 14-day target periods. Most individuals have read very little in the Book of Mormon at the time of baptism and have been to church only once or twice. Post-baptismal fellowshipping is also inconsistent. In light of these factors, it can hardly be considered surprising that up to 80% of converts are lost within two months of baptism, and 30-40% of baptizees never return to church again after baptism. Groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh-day Adventists which focus on consistent fulfillment of basic pre-baptismal commitments like church attendance and scripture reading have experienced retention rates of 70-80% and above, in contrast to LDS retention rates below the one-quartile mark. For a nation where Latter-day Saints have been proselyting for over 150 years, those trends are highly concerning. Pray for improved convert retention in Mexico, and pray that missionaries will have the gift of discernment to understand when individuals are truly converted as demonstrated by the 'fruits of repentance.' |
How about this:
I guess I can't express myself properly, or you are not reading or analyzing my comments thoroughly. I guess I must repeat myself, after all:
I do hope I have been clearer this time. -- the Dúnadan 17:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, speaking of rubbing it in, I guess I have to apologize for the "dude" a second time. Just to be cautious, I will apologize for a third time. I apologize. I find myself repeating my arguments over, and over. This, by the way, is a fact. I must repeat myself. Since you consider this point to be as important as to justify using a secondary source over a primary source, I guess it is worth the argument, assuming your vehement defense comes out of good faith. Also, please read the sources you so vehemently defend thoroughly, since you are interpreting what they say, and then claiming that they say what you think they say:
If you insist on repeating the same arguments over and over, then, with your consent, I will request for mediation. Alternatively we can open up a poll. -- the Dúnadan 00:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I don't see why this little controversy should take up so much space on this article. I've tried to rationalize (and reduce the importance of) this section accordingly. -- Jbmurray 21:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Where are these codes coming from? They are neither INEGI (national official) nor ISO 3166-2 (international official).
The official abbreviations per INEGI are: Ags. BC BCS Camp. Chis. Chih. Coah. Col. DF Dgo. Gto. Gro. Hgo. Jal. Mex. Mich. Mor. Nay. NL Oax. Pue. Qro. Q. Roo SLP Sin. Son. Tab. Tamps. Tlax. Ver. Yuc. Zac.
It may be useful also to order the states alphabetically. Rodulfo 04:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC) rodulfo
The article needs a picture of white mexicans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.13.159 ( talk • contribs) 14:44, 18 May 2007
The state abbreviations are incorrect, could someone change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francisco1986 ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 19 May 2007
You should put the image of santiago creel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.136.185 ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 23 May 2007
I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have decided to fail the article at this time. The article needs a lot more inline citations, as there are currently almost none in the Toponymy, History, Topography, Climate, Political configuration, Administrative divisions, and Culture sections. There are also spacing issues with inline citations and punctuation; the inline ciations should go directly after the punctuation with no space in between. I also don't think that the article is stable enough at this time with the current request for mediation. Once the above issues are addressed along with the rest of the criteria, and the article stable again, please consider renominating the article again. If you disagree with this review, you can seek an alternate review at Good Article Review. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 22:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Many articles are extremely POV. Specificaly it's economy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Putzin ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 27 May 2007
In the List of countries by GDP (PPP) page it is shown that mexico is in the 12th place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.136.185 ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 29 May 2007
The Mexico article is a featured article in the Nahuatl Wikipedia language, the language of the ancient aztecs, in fact is their first featured article, but the star is missing in the connection whith the Nahuatl Wikipedia page of Mexico so please someone put it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.5.242.18 ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 June 2007
IVE NOTICED THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ALWAYS ERASE MEXICAN PICTURES. WE KNOW YOU HATE LATIN AMERICA AND YOU WANT TO SEE IT FUCKED UP, I DONT CARE WHY. LETS NEGOCIATE ONCE IN FOR ALL WHAT STAYS IN THE PAGE AND WHAT DOESNT. AT LEAST KEEP 15 PICTURES IN THE GALLERY. I KNOW YOU DONT WANT TO MAKE THIS A TOURIST PAGE, I DONT KNOW WHY. BUT THIS PAGE ALREADY HAS INFORMATION, SO THEIRS NO BIG DEAL IF THEY ARE PICTURES. THIS PAGE REPRESENTS AND ENTIRE COUNTRY WHO IS TIRED OF STEOREOTYPING. WE MEXICO WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW A NEW MODERN MEXICO, A BEAUTIFUL MEXICO WERE THEY CAN SEE THAT MEXICO IS A GOOD COUNTRY. I DONT WHY YOU GET ANGRY ABOUT PICTURES OF MNEXICO, YOUVE ERASED EVERYTHING IVE DONE WITHOUT NEGOCIATE. KEEP THE BEACHES, BUT ARRANGE IT LIKE YOU PLEASE. IF YOU SEE ARTICLES LIKE FRANCE, ENGLAND, YOU CAN SEE ALOT OF PICTURES SO KEEP PICTURES. ECONOMY IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE SANTA FE DISTRICT IN MEXICO CITY BECAUSE ITS THE RICHIEST FINANCIAL DISTRICT OF MNEXICO CITY AND REPRESETS ALOT IN THE ECONOMY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chokolate ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 7 June 2007
The articles you present are not of incyclopedia facts. You choose to increase it what seems to present articles alike tourist guides. A Gallery according to the WikiManual must have a maximum of 4 pictures, Your gallery has ore then any other paragraph. If you would like your Gallery, I recommend you keep the 4 best pictures you like. Now according to your comment in the edit page, i figure Mexico is it's own respective country alike all other countries, and no propaganda from the U.S. or any other country take that away. The second is your picture of the Federal financial district. It already has one which represents the same idea of the other. For your most profound accusation of hate towards certain latin region, I sincerly don't, which is the reason i intend of keepingg most wiki-online ecyclopedias of it's countries under such reasonable expectations, and not a supressive photos that project a lack of self modesty.
I agree with this guy. I saw the picture gallery and it was pretty good. Wikipedia is everyone's. I wonder if the people working on this article are mexican, otherwise I don't know what's wrong with showing the world what Mexico is like. Mexico is more than those pictures shown, Wikipedia is not Wikimedia Commons but a few pictures of Mexico won't hurt anyone will it? Let's not worry about it... the picture gallery will be back. Let's see who gives up first and if you guys have a real good reason then go ahead and explain why the gallery was deleted. Dragon Lost In Mexico 04:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Again it's an Encyclopedia, not a tourist guide. A complete different engine for tourism, is in it's external links. If the wiki manual would allow a page with more pictures then facts it wouldn't be much of a encyclopedia would it? And for last, a Gallery is expected to have a 4 maximum photo limit.
I know what you mean but then you should of kept the best four pictures of the gallery eh? I'm over it, it really made me a little angry because Mexico has a lot to offer while other articles on countries show what they are made of and people like to see nice pictures but I think you are kind of right. I added a picture of Morelia I hope you guys don't mind. Peace. Viva Mexico :D Dragon Lost In Mexico 04:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
LOOK I OFFER TO PUT 8 PICTURES. PLEASE THIS AN ARTICLE OF A COUNTY. PLIS KEEP THE PICTURES. THATS ALL. IT WONT HURT NO ONE. I KNOW YOU SAY ITS NOT A TOURIST PAGE BUT ITS A PAGE THAT EXPLAINS A COUNTRY AND A PICTURE EXPLAINS THE ARTICLE. Chokolate 07:48, 9 June 2007
Glad you understood my point, but i took them off, because i could not choose, since it was you addition why don't you choose the best 4 and keep those.
The article doesn't mention anything about crime in Mexico, which is one of the largest problems Mexico has. Especially organised crime in form of drug cartels, but also the heavy corruption of governmental instanses. The current president of Mexico has recognised this problem and set in the military to fight the cartels. The whole article seems to be a bit on the fearful side on not wanting to step on any toes. By the way... How come the article is closed for editing? Never saw THAT before in any wiki-article.
I´m Mexican and I can say that most of mexicans are not white, only a minority are. I look white, but I´m mestizo, because I have indian heritage. Only about 10-15% of Mexicans are mostly white (like me, because I´m mixed race, but I look white) is an exaggeration to say that 35-40% of mexicans are mostly white. That is the percentage of countries like Chile or Brazil. And if you go to those countries you can see a lot of white people, but in Mexico, usually only the people from the upper class are white. ( The Mexican media are irreal, most of Mexicans are not like the ones showed in telenovelas, and advertising). But not all are dark, like Americans think.
- It all depends where you live. Go to a private school or to an affluent area and youll see that most people are white, or at least castizo (3/4 european ancestry). Most people dont realize that Mexico still uses the Caste system. Maybe we should write ´bout it
Well i am mexican too and i am from monterrey i attend a public school and most kids here are white i am white, and most people i see in the streets in monterrey are white my parents and both sides of my family are white and we are not rich just like most white people here i know are not rich we are just middle class and working class and i am sick of people thinking that just because you are white mexican you are rich, if you think that then you watch too many NOVELAS, and the article still puts the Mestizos as a majority of Mexico's population up to 45% Mestizos that is like 10% more mestizos than whites, because white are only 35% to 40% of the population, you and your'e parents could be white and have just a little little bit of amerindian which makes you Mestizo but you and your family might not even know it because your amerindian ancestry is so small that all of you look white, and if someone asks you what race are you you are going to say white and not mestizo, so the trully white population is estimated around 30% and not 9-15% like CIA WORLD FACTBOOK or ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANICA say because they only take into concideration the direct white popultaion and not the predominant white population, even the white americans probably like half of them have some Amerindian ancestry and not even know it but why dosnt CIA or BRITANICA include that in the U.S.A. race groups ? because it would be very pointless to go back to each person's family tree for like 70% of that nation's population who say they are white and search all of their generations from their mum and dad's family, its just crazy, so it is most educated to say that 70% of U.S.A.'s pop. is PREDOMINANTLY WHITE and 43% DIRECTLY WHITE. Just like in the case of my country MEXICO, the government of Mexico is not going to waste money in something so stupid like race ethnicity and go back to everyone's ancestry thats just impossible, so it is most educated to say that between 9% - 15% of Mexico's population is DIRECTLY WHITE, and 35% - 40% of Mexico's population is PREDOMINANTLY WHITE, which i think the article is correct by putting 35%-40% of the pop. is white because it is an EDUCATED ESTIMATE!!! and still with that percentage the Mestizos are still majority of up to 45% that is like 10% more than whites in mexico, Mestizos and whites have always been around the same number in mexico, making them the 2 most predominant ethnic groups, and if your'e the type of mexican who hates white people for the socio-economical stereotype they have been given in our country then you have nothing to worry about cuz either way Mestizos are still more numerous than whites even accounting 35% to 40% Predomiantly white Mexicans, Mestizos are stil up 45% of the population the article clearly says it at the beginning of the ethnography section that is 10% more than whites, and if you dont believe me just visit northern mexico my home, and you have like 65% of people in northern mexico who are either DIRECTLY WHITE and PREDOMINANTLY WHITE, and they are rich, poor, middle class, working class, so i plead to people who think that mexican white are rich to not watch all of those NOVELAS CHILANGAS on television and start to go out more often, because since those novelas play a big part on our culture, thats why a-lot of Mexicans think just like 10% of mexicans are white and that all of them are rich, because of the stupid mexican media which is most of the time is incorrect. (TELEVISA IN PARTICULLAR)
I´m agree with you Dunadán, for example I was born in Torreon, from a middle class family. I look white, I have green eyes and light brown hair, but most of my relatives are "typical" mestizos. This is the reason that I consider myself as mestizo. In Northern Mexico the proportion of mestizos and the people "phenotypically" white is almost the same, and the indians are a extremely small minority. But in the states from the center and south if you go out, you can see that most of the people are mestizos, mostly indians and there are a high proportion of indian people. Most of Mexicans live in the center and south, and if we lump together all the mexican population, phenotypically white Mexicans would be a small minority. INEGI says that only 10% of mexicans are indians, but they are the people who speak indian languague and preserve their traditions, but is a fact that a large number of indians have been absorbed in the mestizo population. And about the comment from the person from Monterrey, I know very well that city and most of its population doesn´t look white. I´m no longer in Torreon, I live in Hermosillo right now. And here most of the people look white, Hermosillo is the most closer to the Mexico showed in telenovelas. But we have to accept that most of mexicans are mestizos, with more indian features than Europeans, by this way we would over the huge Racism that exist here. Ironically while Mexicans in Mexico think that most of them are white and having indian heritage is a shame; foreigners think that all mexicans are dark and indian. Lithop 05:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Well of course most Mexicans are Mestizos, it clearly says it in the article, 45% Mestizos and only 35% Whites that's clearly more Mestizos than Whites that is about 10 TO 12 MILLON MORE MESTIZO MEXICANS THAN WHITE MEXICANS, so Why all that fuzzing and fighting over something the article clearly states, Oh and by the way i'm from Sabinas Hidalgo, Nuevo León and currently living here and I have relatives in Linares, Monterrey, Montemorelos, Nuevo Laredo and Saltillo, and let me tell you one thing, at least half of the people you see in the streets in all those places look White ok even in the most poor streets of those cities at least half the people you see in those places look white, yeah dont get all worked up thats just the way it is , and if you don like to see White people go to Chiapas then, END OF DISCUSSION!!! Oh one more thing, why??? do Argentines think they have all the White people in Latin America if like 95% of their population is white and their country only has like 39 to 40 million people than that means that they only have like around 33 to 35 million White people, so if Mexico has like 35% of it's population being White and that all of Mexico has like 108 million people than that means Mexico has like around 36 million Whites, that's more than Argentina, and then their is Brasil of course with far much more White people than any other place in Latin America, because if only about 50% to about 55% of people in Brasil are white (phenotypically like in most of Latin America including Mexico) then that means that about 94 to 101 millon people there are white because Brasil has a population of about 189 million people, more than any country in Latin America. One last thing, if most of you accept the fact that from the 45% of Mexicans who are Mestizo, their could be according to some sources, anywhere from a little bit more credible 22.5% PREDOMINANLTY Amerindian, to a much much more exagerated 30% of them that are PREDOMINANLTY Amerindian, to be less complicated in other words, around half of the of the Mestizos in our country are PREDOMINANLTY Amerindian (to be more realistic). So what I don't get then is that why can't most of you accept that their could be up to 35% to almost 40% of Mexicans PREDOMINANTLY European (white)??? is their like some sourt of racism thing going on here like a pro pure Amerindian/Mestizo organization that is pro for an Amerindian/Mestizo nation free of people of European heritage??? Because it sure seems like it because for example users "Lithop", and "Dúnadan" seem to get very upset when they have to hear that about more than 30% of Mexico's population is predominantly white and they start to say crapp like oh well its beacuse our society is racist and dosn't accept Mestizos which is true in some part, but damn do they sound hipocrytical when they obviously seem to deny the presence of white people in this country and say all of us are Mestizo when only like 45% of Mexicans are, and it is a majority which I accept the article clearly says that Mestizos are a 45% majority of the population in Mexico, but users "Lithop" and "Dúnadan" sure make it sound like 99.9999999% of us are Mestizo when they leave their messages in this discussion page, why can't the both of you just face the facts, why?????????? O, and just to not make you upset, again I will remind you that MESTIZOS ARE THE 45% MAJORITY OF MEXICO'S PEOPLE and WHITES ARE A MINORITY OF JUST LIKE 35% TO 40% OF MEXICO'S PEOPLE, IM SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANTED TO HEAR DIDN'T CHA', CASE CLOSED!!! what's that?, your'e not realy convinced yet? go back and read the part of the article on the ethnic groups section where it clearly says so ok, kudos!!!...
No one have changed the article, and this proportion of 35-40% whites and 45% mestizos doesn´t have source. And check the article of demography of México and is different, it says that between 9-15% of mexicans are white and has a reliable source. I would do it, but I don´t know how to, I´m new here.
The CIA and the US government historically have admitted that Mexicans are white when they do the census. I
I am curious, the CIA fact book states that the USA is 81.7% white 12.9% black, 4.2% Asian, and 2% others? This adds up to about 100%, what happened to all the Mexicans, and Hispanics? Are they saying that ones a Mexican crosses over the border he or she becomes white? that makes no sense. At what percentage does a mestizo become white, 50%, 75%, or 90%? According to the U.S census if a Mexican marks Mexican on the U.S Census, he or she will be classified as white. This leads to my final question, shouldn’t then most Mexicans be classified white, according to the CIA? Finally, I have been to several parts in Mexico and I have noticed that many, or the majority of Mexicans in central Mexico look whiter than Italians, French and middle eastern, which are classified as white everywhere. A large percentage of the Argentinean population has Amerindian mixture; doesn't that make them Mestizo's? Any ways, we will never know for sure until a large genetic sample is taken. I agree with having a predominate 35-45%; if you look at the Argentina demographics it states that 57% of the population has Amerindian ancestry, but 85-97% of the population states that they are white? I am from Jalisco; I would have to say that most people I have seen look whtier than most Italians, and Middle Eastern
I agree with you Jalisco person, I am from Nuevo Laredo and I have to say that 15% of us Mexicans white does not make any sence, I am from Nuevo Laredo and most people you see here and in most of the north are white, so probably in my opinion it is most correct to put that about 30% or perhaps 40% percent of Mexicans are white, and besides where the hell does the CIA World Factbook get that crapp of just 15% us are white, have any of them even been here to see the people in the streets or take a census??? i suggest it should be changed to 30% to 40% white, it makes more sence, and it still leaves a majority of Mestizos of about 48%, Indigenous 12%, it adds up to about 100% of the population here in Mexico, and it makes a-lot more sence than the CIA info, and any one that has been to any city here in Mexico to a mall, or grocery store, or streets, can say that at least half of the people they see are white, if it was only 15% like the CIA says, than you would once in a blue moon see that many white people here in Mexico, i suggest it should be changed like I said, I know it does not have verifiability, but neither does the CIA World Fact book on ethnography of Mexico.
White is not a race. People assume that if you´re white then you´re caucasian (wrong). There are many white people in Mexico that have visible amerindian traits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.149.136.251 ( talk) 19:31, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
Can someone put a picture of Torreon in the chart of metropolitan areas of Mexico? is the number 9 after Juarez.
Also, Puebla is located on the state of Puebla, not in Tlaxcala. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by God's Whip ( talk • contribs) 14:46, August 22, 2007 (UTC).
Hello!--- Just to point out that the first official declaration of independence occurred on September 13, 1813, by the Congress of Chilpancingo, under José María Morelos; the very same Congress passed a bill declaring September 16 as a national holiday for the beginning of the Independence War. I suggest we should make that distinction in the summary of the article. Louie 18:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest removing the mention of the movie Pan's Labyrinth in the Film section. Pan's Labyrinth is a Spanish (not Mexican) production, even though it was directed by a Mexican (Guillermo del Toro). The film also deals with the Spanish Civil War. How is this any significant example of Mexican movies? I think that the other films mentioned suffice as examples of contemporary Mexican films.
I suggest that we include a section -mention- on boxing since it is the sport that has given us more world championships than any other. The prominence of soccer in the article does not reflect our results in the playing field.
Doesnt Mexico own some islands im sure it does I have heard of them ,but im not sure of there names or were they are?
The following sentence :
Temperatures here remain high throughout the year, with only a 5 °C difference between winter and summer median temperatures.
should be :
Temperatures there remain high throughout the year, with only a 5 °C difference between winter and summer median temperatures.
or
Temperatures remain high throughout the year, with only a 5 °C difference between winter and summer median temperatures.
Using "here" is not very encyclopedia-like... If someone could fix it...
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I just want to make sure that no one made a mistake.
-G
The official name of the country in Spanish is, Estados Unidos Mexicanos, the more accurate translation would be, United Mexican States -- Raulmb 23:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
The original official name of the country is Estados-Unidos Mexicanos. That would mean Mexican United-States. (read below for more information). Aldera 11:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The table shows 19 million people in Mexico City, but the Mexico City page says 36,720,916. That's an awful lot more! On the Mexico City page, that 19 million is just the suburbs ("greater Mexico City"). I wonder which one is correct? And are the numbers for the other cities correct? Xezlec 05:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
what? which is the source? ive searched but there isnt a source that show that this statement is a fact.
Its probably just an opinion. Nevertheless it is one of the most influential bands of the country. Should we chage it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diegofrgc ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 6 June 2007
It is really (and thats a shame) the most known mexican band. They are considerable popular in Germany for example, where their latest CD was reviewed in many of the most important specialized magazines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.86.108 ( talk) 16:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It's hidden, until the second moon returns. Still isn't Mexico's black population more like 3-5% at least of the country?
I deleted a claim about the muncipality of San Pedro in economy section, due to the fact it has not a source the source it used to have; source Doesn't content the right caraceteristics to be considered as a source. And the first source; 2004 UNPD Mexico Report on HDI source 2 specifies clearly the first claim and never specifies the second claim, wich is probably true but as i said the source doesn't the caracteristics to be considered as so since you need an Spanish account to get the information. If somebody has a source wich specifies the claims i deleted please paste as soon as possible. Cheers-- Raveonpraghga 23:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
As some of you know, I am a web designer and I started contributing here in Wikipedia because I wanted to improve the quality of the graphics used (I started with the Mexican Flag). So I would like to a make a list of the graphical material that might be needed to improve the article. Please, help me make a list.
Alex
Covarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 16:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
As all of we know, there are two basic models applied to the American continent:
I created the article North America (Americas) that is about the region/subcontinent of the American continent. It was nominated for deletion because they say it is the same as North America (meaning continent). Both articles are about different subjects.
Please
READ the evidence, comment and vote
here.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 10:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Is prostitution legal in Mexico? What exactly are the laws, what is allowed and what isn't? - Mike Payne 06:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Its not legal but not strongly enforced. In fact in major cities throughout Mexico there are whore houses which identify themselves by having a red light bulb. Thus the light bulb is on when its open for business. Police have been known to take bribes in order not to shut this houses down and some cases receive personal favors as well.
Serio 310 19:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)serio_310 Serio 310 19:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC) 0410, 25 March 2007 (India)
The user that tried to change the translation of United Mexican States has created a page titled Mexican United States, which is clearly a POV forking, due to the fact that that is an incorrect translation. I think we should nominate that article for deletion.
Why "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" is not translated as "Mexican United States":
By the time the official name of the country was coined (19th century), the logic-sintax style was highly common. The official name of Mexico is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos", which is exaclty the same as saying "Estados Mexicanos Unidos", meaning the union in a federation (political system of Mexico) of all the Mexican states. It was not coined to mean the "Mexican United States" which would sound like they wanted to name the country the "Mexican" version of the "United States".
English translation must not be literally taken from the name in spanish. It is a common mistake because in english, the sintax rules state that the adjective should be listed first and then the noun.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 15:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Administrator took a dubious decision about the debate about the deletion of this article. The result should have been no concensus. This article was about the region of the Americas named "North America". All of the other regions within the Americas, under the various geographical models to divide it, have their own article: Middle America (Americas), Central America, Northern America, Caribbean and South America. Please, read carefully the AfD page and the reasons provided to undelete the article.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 17:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I tell you why. The Americas are divided using the following concepts (most of them geographical) and each of them have their own article:
Central America, the Caribbean, Northern America and Middle America are said to be part of North America as a continent. Then, should we also delete all of those articles and merge them into "North America"? Because that's the rationale they are using for the deletion of NA.
However, and most importantly, the debate was closed and the opinions were highly divided, between keep, delete and merge. So, no consensus was reached. They say it was not a votation, so why are they giving more weight to the delete votes? It is just unfair.
About the win/lose situation, as you said, it is not about that, at least, it is not to me. It is a question of accuracy and now, justice, since the article was unfairly deleted.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 18:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
This whole article is largley incorrect. It portrays mexico as a modern and prosperous economy with harly any poverty. If this were the case why would there be over 10 million people or roughly 10% of the entire population of Mexico, risk their lives crossing through deserts with hardly any water into the United States just to get away from the poverty in mexico.
"Mexico is firmly established as an upper middle-income country."
This incredibly false statement generally summirizes the view on poverty in this article. How can anybody believe this hearing reports every day on the news of more people dying of thirst crossing the border to the United States to escape the poverty in Mexico. Whoever wrote this article is just like all the other people who try to shove the problem under the carpet and expect no one in the outside world to realize its there.
I agree with you guys, but like I told Andy, what is missing is the recent report on mild or "moderate" poverty in which 45% of the population lives. It is a high percentage, and it could be argued that moderate poverty is the relative majority (not the absolute), and not necessarily the middle class. -- theDúnadan 02:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I really, really, really, really, and I insist, really doubt the World Bank uses definitions as relative as Zambrano vis-à-vis Slim to define poverty. I don't think their highly educated analysts are that naïve, do you really think so? But if you wish I will find out what they mean by "moderate" poverty. -- theDúnadan 04:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, which futbol stadium picture should we put in the Sport section, "Estadio Azteca or Monterey. I reckon Estadio Azteca should be the one, because it is the premiere and biggest staduim in Mexico. -- Ramírez 00:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys, I was thinking that the table with all the states' info is kinda repetitive (and looooong), since the main article already has one. What about creating a more visual-appealing table, with the map of states and only the state name and extension?
It is just that the current table is really long, I don't know... I think I can do create a more beutiful table. What do you think? Or perhaps a clickable map with the name of the states?
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 22:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, about the map... I really liked the colored map I recreated. The big problem about that map was that the regions highlighted were arbitraty (I just redesigned it!). What about highlighting the regions as traditionally used within Mexico? Here are some states I know for a fact are linked in regions:
My suggestion is to create a colored-clickable map as the one in the article
Provinces and territories of Canada or
Brazil. It look so professional. I know I can create a map like that for this article, it deserves it!
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 23:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I like the idea of the clickable map very much, it looks very professional, but I still dislike the idea of creating regions that simply do not exist. They do exist in the US, they do exist in Brazil, they do exist in Argentina, but not in Mexico and not in Canada. We will engage in endless debates with new users as they complain that their state should be located in such and such, but not in such and such, or why did we name a region like that and not differently, and anyone could be right because there is no definitive universal regional division in Mexico. And even if we all agree on the regional division, we would be engaging in WP:OR, something that shouldn't be done in Wikipedia. I would rather have a colored map of the states without grouping them by region. -- theDúnadan 00:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Controversial states are usually at the center-south-southeast. For example, Puebla, which is often reckoned as an Eastern state (because it was the connection of the East with the capital, not because it was economically related to them; in fact, Autobuses de Oriente was headquarter at Puebla to service the Oriente of the country), and sometimes as a central state, more related economically to Hidalgo and Querétaro. El Bajío is usually a region, but I have never seen it as an administrative region (usually comes up as simply center, or center-north). Moreover if El Bajío is an administrative region, so is la Comarca Lagunera (Coah-Dgo) or la Huasteca (SLP-Ver-Hgo). Same thing with the southern states of Oaxaca and Guerrero in relation to the Yucatán Peninsula, which you grouped as a single southern region. I think the only more or less defined regions are the north and northwestern. Even the West is a little controversial, in that Aguascalientes is could be placed in the West along with Jalisco. See what I mean? We can open a poll if you wish, but I still think we would be bordering in WP:OR.
Now, I wouldn't worry about colors. See for example the map of the US states; just pick 5 or 6 colors, and use them for the states; simply do not use the same color for two adjacent states. I don't particularly like the layout of the US map, I think you would do a much much better job than they did. =)
Speaking of maps, would you be interested in doing a map of the municipalities of Mexico? (the whole country) I can provide you with a map (copyrighted) of the whole country divided into municipalities, if that helps you. I might be a tedious job, but we can use it for many purposes (economics, IDH, GDP, etc.). Let me know what you think.
Cheers,
-- theDúnadan 01:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Well I just finished the clickable map! I have also added it to the geography section. I hope you guys like it. I wanted it a little smaller, but it would have been hard to add the links for the central states. There's still the issue about the regions. I haven't added any reference to them, but the map is colored according to the above regions.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 09:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I know that the SVG file is vectorial, so it can be resized. However, it is not a very extended file format and regular users can't really use it or edit it. Also the SVG version (a conversion, not an original file) has lower quality and the details of the COA are lost. Please comment/vote on this:
Please click the images and take a look at the higher resolutions available.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 00:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
In order to avoid another bunch of edit reversions I open this debate and ask for a votation. I'll present the facts and suggested solution. Please comment.
FACTS
1. As all of we know, Mexico is in North America, a continent (or subcontinent) that can also be divided into smaller geographical regions:
2. The current first paragraph of the section Geography, mentions that:
This wording implies that the term Middle America is broadly used, in almost the same sense as NA is, which is not accurate. The paragraph also fails to report that Middle America is not the only possible geographic subdivision that can be used, since there is no reference to NA meaning the US, Mex and Can.
3. Most of the references and citations we have seen in the part months, define Mexico as a country in North America or at the south of North America. So far I have not seen any reference directly indicating "Mexico is a country of Middle America".
PROPOSALS
Simply edit the current paragraph in order to give the term the appropiate weight, to mantain accuracy. The fact that Mexico is also in North America (as a region) can be ignored, since the article North America already elaborates about it in the usage section, that's OK for now.
Or, as an alternative:
Please comment/vote about the proposals. Also feel free to add your own proposal.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 19:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this is the right place for personal comments. I commend you both for your valuable work and encourage you to debate peacefully. Having said so, in spite of considering that any changes to what has become almost a consensual version are, for the most part, minimal, I think the first sentence in the section does need a little rewording. As of now, it reads "Mexico is situated in the mid-latitudes of the Americas, comprising much of southern North America[5][6] or also within Middle America.'" From what I can tell (and I might be revising my own perception, based on what I've been reading), Middle America seems to be a cultural or geopolitical region, whereas Central America (and North America) are also geographical or geophysical regions (clearly defined by geography, i.e. isthmuses, tectonic plates, or physiograaphically by changes in topography). The sentence, as it reads now, implies that Middle America is a geographical region defined by latitudes who also "happens to be" a cultural region. (In fact, none of the sources listed here define Middle America by latitudes but by "countries", i.e. [maybe] geopolitics, culture or linguistics).
In that sense we must be careful when defining implicitly Middle America here (or explicitly in Middle America (Americas)). While it is quite obvious that Mexico is located in the mid-latitudes of the Americas (geographically) and according to some sources also in a region called "Middle America", that doesn't mean the two concepts are the same, or that one is the definition of the other. (Corticopia, if I am mistaken, and there is a source that does define Middle America exclusively by geographical latitudes, then could you please add a link to it?). So, I would accept any rewording that includes all locations of Mexico within the different geographical, geophysical, cultural and geopolitical regions, as long as we do not generate confusion. -- theDúnadan 20:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I read it, but it doesn't define the region by latitudes (as it is implied here and in explicitly defined as such in Middle America (Americas)). While I cannot [?] argue against a reputable source such as Britannica, they are considering the whole country [Mexico] to be an "isthmus" south of the Rocky Mountains (while the Sierra Madre ranges are usually defined as extensions of the Rocky mountains with a different name). I guess this is the first time I've read that Mexico is defined as an isthmus. Anyway, that's a separate issue. Even if Middle America is defined (and even if only by one source) as a geographical and not a geocultural region, it is not defined by latitudes. In that sense, I still advocate for a [small] rewording here and in the other article. In this article I would include Middle America as a cultural region in which Mexico is located after the geopolitical definition of Central America. -- theDúnadan 20:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Given the above discussion, I have another rewording proposal. No qualifiers for the regions and noting NA as a continent.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 21:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, this source (chapter of an e-book) published by Vincent Malmstrom, professor emeritus at Dartmouth College indicates the following:
referring to its location in the low northerly latitudes of North America or, alternatively, the mid-latitudes of the Americas (which is particularly apt if one maintains that Mexico is a part of America). As well:
Anyhow, more later ... Corticopia 23:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I hope you guys enjoyed your Saturday. Welcome back. Concerning the concept of Middle America,
Now, getting back to our main concern, which is the rewording of that sentence. I still believe we should not imply that Middle America is defined as the "mid-latitudes of the Americas" because I haven't found a reference to support that claim. I would leave the sentence as Mexico is situated in the mid-latitudes of the Americas, comprising much of southern North America. And add the sentence about Mexico being in Middle America at the end of the paragraph.
-- theDúnadan 16:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that you changed your own comment while I was editing. I must say your previous (deleted) sentence in which you accused me (literally you said "you both", though now you revert back to what I asked you not to do, to refer to the ambigious "editors") of "promoting neutrality and then discarding it when it doesn't suit me" as well as that of just having an "argumentative farce", and doing things "surreptitiously", and I am not campaigning against a specific point of view. All of that was not only uncalled for, but extremely inappropriate.
In a previous argument you demanded sources for the logical, and now you disregard our petitions for sources for the logical. I, therefore, maintain that the current leads here and there are not sufficient, simply because the statement is unsourced. And I request sources to be added, or the statement to be deleted. I am not attempting to tweak anything without discussion (I haven't edited the section at all). If you are not willing to debate amicably, I wish to discuss no further. -- theDúnadan 21:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I did not support the fork, but I did not support the decision of the administrator either since a full consensus was not achieved. I had rather extended the discussion before a final decision was taken. Please review the log to see my concerns, before bringing up your accusations. I didn't vote, but just commented on that. Given your personal attacks (nationalism, denial, and the sort), I wish to discuss no discuss no further with you. It seems you are also hypocritical in your own arguments demanding sources for the obvious, but unwilling to provide them when they don't suit you; you promote neutrality, except when we challenge your definition. I insist, either you present a source that clearly defines MA the way you want to, or the statements WILL be deleted because they cannot be sustained with sources or references, by policy of Wikipedia. And that is all I have to say. -- theDúnadan 21:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess if Corticopia wants to exclude himself from the debate, then let it be. We can always continue to debate, as we were. As Dúnadan said, you are the one that always ask for "reliable sources" here and there (as in
South America where you erased my edits), so the same rule applies to you. Your threats about what is going to be kept or not, are just not welcome here. I guess we'll just have to wait for your sources, because you're entitled to add them, it's your right to sustain your edits or proposed edits.
AlexCovarrubias
( Let's talk! ) 22:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Dúnadan, can we please resume this debate? I have implemented a contention solution (just separating the "mid-latitudes" line from the "Middle America" line with a period. However, it has been recentrly edited again, and again, it portrays the region of "Middle America" as equally used as just the NA continent. I think it is time to resume this and edit the paragraph.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 19:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
ok then, I'll mention my edits here, though I think it's very silly because people make edits all the time without mentioning them on the talk page (dividing the history section in two sections for example, the one I rolled back):
History and Etymology should be two different sections, because it are two different subjects. The "Pre-Columbian Civilizations and Origin of the Name" is not about Pre-Columbian civilizations at all, but only about etymology while "European Colonization and Independence" deals with the entire history instead of just the European colonization and independence. Also the article " Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire" is not the main article about that subject, but only about a part of it (apart from that it's a non-functioning redirect).
Finally the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America is simply not important enough to mention on the history section of this article. Out of all the things that happened during the Fox administration the SPPNA is really not one of the most important facts. Better mention it in the History of Mexico article, which needs to be revamped anyway. Mixcoatl 04:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Having a picture of a lepisosteus (pejelagarto) in the biodiversity section, just before the politics sections, is controversial at best. 1) there are other species that are endemic to Mexico 2) This particular species makes reference to another particular politician (el pejelagarto, Lopez Obrador) 3) The nearness of the picture with the politics section may lead some readers to believe that the article supports a particular political point of view. Because of the above, I would prefer if the picture of the lepisosteus was replaced. Furthermore, since the biodiversity subsection is so small, I don't really see it needs a picture. I have, therefore, removed it. Hari Seldon 18:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
It is an implicit reference. I would still prefer a more widely known and less controversial picture. Hari Seldon 18:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The picture is that of a "pejelagarto". "Pejelagarto" is also the nickname of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the controversial politican who lost the highly contested 2006 Presidential Election. This same picture, or one similar to it, has also been featured at different points in time in the wikipedia article about Lopez Obrador (though I don't think it is featured anymore). The fact that the biodiversity section is placed just before the politics section also contributes to the controversial placement. What I am saying is that this picture may draw more attention to a current political controversy than to the biodiversity of Mexico. A better picture can easily be found, and said picture need not have the political content involved. The picture can be interpreted as "spineless, fish-like, politicans are part of the biodiversity" or a message from Lopez Obrador supporters saying "we cannot be ignored, we are here". Either way, it is controversial and may be interpreted as saying more than it intends. Because of these reasons, I don't think it is prudent to include this particular picture. Hari Seldon 19:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
In a recent edition, the first paragraph was changed. That change implied that the 2000 presidential election was the first time [ever] that an opossition party defeated the "ruling party" (PRI). That is totally wrong. The PAN and the PRD have already defeated the PRI in municipal and state elections before 2000. This year was the first time the PRI was defeated in a presidential race. That's all. Please, see the changes
[5].
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 23:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, user FateClub let this message in my user talk:
I honestly don't get his point. Or maybe it is that I haven't slept in 34 hours. Well, I just paste it here so other people can comment. The current introduction seems fine to me. Comments!
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 23:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
To say that PRI ruled Mexico since 1929 is incorrect because it wasn't founded until 1946, and even if for non-specialist people the difference seems vain, actually PNR, PRM and PRI had particular features that made each stage of the develpment of the party very different from the others.I think the article must be corrected. -- 201.141.98.254 04:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Why was semi-protection removed? Vandalism to this article has increased. Please semi-protect this article again! Hari Seldon 02:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I also agree. Just take a look at the history of this article and you'll see it has been protected so many times. It should be permanently semi protected.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 16:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh man, what we gonna do with this people, huh, Mexico is probably the second most hated country in the world after the USA, as you might have seen the vandals came from both North America and South America, this s..t simply proves my theory that US Citizens hate Mexico because of the illegal immigration issue and the wrong idea that they have about the country, and South Americans hate Mexico as well because they know that we're better than them in many aspects, oh.. What a situation we got ourselves into, isn't it? Supaman89 20:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok now I'm back. I'll just request protection for the article in the appropiate page, I was so tired in the morning that I couldn't do it.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 03:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
In order to provide a fast way of showing the correct link to each political party article, and to show its initials and colors, I have created the following templates. Originally, the actual official logo was going to be used, but those logos were uploaded with a "fair use" license, and Wikipedia explicitly forbbids the use of such images in templates. So I created generic symbols, with the party initials and colors, as done in the Mexican press and media.
Alex
Cov
( Let's talk! ) 08:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
What to type | Result |
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{{PAN party}} |
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{{PRI party}} |
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{{PRD party}} |
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{{PT party}} |
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{{PVEM party}} |
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{{CON party}} |
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{{PSD party}} |
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{{PNA party}} |
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Congratulations! Excellent work! Your contributions will not only improve Mexico-related articles here, but in other wikipedias as well. -- the Dúnadan 16:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, guys I just wanted to show you the new template that I just made for all users from Mexico, if anyone wants to use it, please feel free to do so, now we have two choices instead of just one.
Supaman89 20:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's the old one.
![]() | This user comes from Mexico. |
Here's the one I just made.
| This user comes from the United Mexican States. And they're proudly Mexican. |
Man, I almost forgot to show you this one: Supaman89 16:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
es- mx | Este usuario puede contribuir con un nivel vernacular del español que se habla en México. |
Hello members of the discussion board. I'd like to submit for consideration adding an external link to [www.esmexico.com], which is an external website that contains a photographic database of all Mexico. The photos are do not comply with the GNU license, so I'm not able to just add them to Wiki images, but given the number of photos that it has (currently 11,000), it makes for an excelent visual database.
I'm a new member in the English version of Wikipedia, but have been a contributor to the Spanish version of Wikipedia on articles related to Mexico and its geography (user name is the same as here) for over a year. This external link was discussed and aproved in the Spanish language article of Mexico, and it's included as Base de Datos de Fotos de México on the External Links.
As a final note I'd like to add that it features 11,000 photos of geography and culture related images and historical (antique) pictures of Mexico. On top of these, we feature over 4,000 antique Mexican postcards. Altogether there are more than 15,000 images. More than any other website around, including goverment and tourism pages.--
Esmexico 14:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Did anyone request this page to be unprotected? This page gets constant vandalism everyday. Shouldn't it be permanently protected à la United States or George Bush?? -- the Dúnadan 18:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently deleted the sources for Filipino Mexicans and added them to the list with other Asian peoples in Mexico (Chinese, Korean, etc.) One source read as follows:
( Following the Third World War and the Mexican conquest of the United States territories to its north, the liberal Mexican government resettled Hispanophone Filipino refugees from their camps in the East Indian Commonwealth to the promising if underpopulated northwestern states of greater Mexico. More quickly than Korean-Mexicans, the Filipino immigrant communities of the California and Sonora are quickly mixing with their native-born Mexican neighbours, due to the Filipinos' knowledge of Spanish and their Catholicism. )
First of all, who in the world really acknowledges that there has been a third world war? And when were the U.S.'s territories ever 'conquered' by Mexico??? These are not very good sources...just read them. They say nothing about what these people are trying to back up.
Also, the Filipinos mixed in quicker than Koreans because of prior Spanish skills? Filipinos have virtually no knowledge of Spanish...let's find some real sources, besides what's wrong with adding them into the list with other Asians..why not show how many Chinese or Japanese immigrants there have been...Such a small group like Filipinos really have no consequence in Mexico anyway. signed Cali567 23:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Reply: Do not be such an ignorant and have some common sense, Filipinos or East Timorese are a different oriental race compared to Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc. Why are you comparing Filipinos to Chinese, Koreans, Japanese etc. when infact the Filipino mentality, language and culture do not matched up with other Asians. And also there are some Mexicans who are descendance of Filipino origin. Have some common sense the Philippines was part of the territory of New Spain during the colonial period. Filipinos, Spaniards or Mexicans have been travelling in the Manila-Acapulco Galleon between 1565-1815, assisting Spain's trade with Philippines and Mexico. There was some integration between the three groups in terms of population demography. I'm still researching on this article and gathering all the facts. It will expand soon, You have to have patients cali, Wikipedia is not a place for "Nuetral Point of Views", "Personal Attack" or "Racism", the next you make an attempt to racialy attack an ethnic group, "I will blocked you". I'm giving you one more chance.-- Ramírez 10:17 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Of course the Philippines have always been present in Mexican history, as Mexico was the administrator of that territory, however, the 600,000 thousand figure comes from the worst source I've ever seen... I can go with the 200,000 that was in the other article but anyways, I think the number should be omitted (As per the number of different ancestries mexican have, it does not have such a relevance) and rewritten to say that there was this pihilippine immigration during the colonial period, that, I find relevant. and Ramirez72, you should check your english, maybe that's the reason you misunderstand your so-called "sources". And Cali, I'm no expert of the Mexico-Filipino relationship but, with some history, I want to believe that there was indeed some immigration of Filipinos to Mexico and that they blended the exact same way as spanish, or europeans (that nowadays we can only see the color of the skin but not certainly identify the origin). Really, Filipinos are a very similar to mexicans in religion, traditions, language (there's still a spanish creole spoken nowadays there). I believe they should have blended much better than other asians so today, we don't find enough relevance. Aldoman 01:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC) An Example of Mexico-Philippines-Spain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED17KtQmyAU Tagalog and some of Philippines' dialect was actually derived in Spanish language and yeah... Zamboanga and part of Cavite City spoke Chavacano spanish creole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.194.35.235 ( talk) 19:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I find it interesting that the reference to the number of adherents of Islam in Mexico was removed as well as the Mexicans of African ancestry.
-Ken —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.17.215.235 ( talk) 18:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
Given the implication in the lead of the paragraph that other Latin-American countries do require their presidents to be Catholic, why wouldn't this be a worthwhile point to make?
-- Richard 20:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Catholic priests are not allowed to hold public office anywhere. However, that doesn't mean that they cannot vote. -- Qompaq1 04:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Unlike some other Latin American countries, Mexico has no official religion, and the Constitution of 1917 and the anti-clerical laws marked a great limitation on the Church and sometimes codified state intrusion into Church matters. The government does not provide any financial contribution to the Church, and the latter does not participate in public education. In 1992 Mexico lifted almost all restrictions on the Catholic Church, including granting all religious groups legal status, conceding them limited property rights, and lifting restrictions on the number of priests in the country. [38] Until recently, priests did not have the right to vote, and even now, they cannot be elected for public office.
Nonetheless, the Mexican population is predominantly Roman Catholic (89%[39]); in absolute terms, after Brazil, Mexico has the second largest population of Catholics in the world. About 6% of the population is Protestant, of which Pentecostals and Charismatics (called Neo-Pentecostals in the census), are the largest group. There are also around 250,000 active Mormons in the country.[40] Geographically, northern and central Mexico are mostly Catholic (where Protestants are usually less than 3% of the total population) whereas at the south-east, while still predominantly Catholic a little more than 15% of the population is either Protestant or non-religious. Forty-seven percent of the Mexican population attends church services weekly.[41]
The existence of Jews in Mexico dates back to as early as 1521, when Hernando Cortés conquered the Aztecs, accompanied by several Conversos. The Mexican Jewish population numbers, according to INEGI, more than 40,000.
This section is very outdated.
the Mexican population is predominantly Roman Catholic 89%
This is obviously grossly inaccurate. How is this defined?
6% of the population is Protestant, of which Pentecostals and Charismatics (called Neo-Pentecostals in the census), are the largest group Where does this number come from? It needs to be updated. It is probably at least 15% today.
There is no mention of the Anglican Church of Mexico, or the Presbyterian or Methodist Churches of Mexico, each of which have a long history and their own seminaries in Mexico!
Official website Anglican Church of Mexico http://www.anglicancommunion.org/tour/province.cfm?ID=M2
There are many more than 250,000 Mormons in Mexico, and they are growing very rapidly.
http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d10511154963d010VgnVCM1 000004e94610aRCRD
Official figures
Argentina 348,396 Belize 3,079 Bolivia 148,630 Brazil 928,926 Chile 539,193 Colombia 149,973 Costa Rica 34,036 Ecuador 170,736 El Salvador 93,246 Guatemala 200,537 Guyana 1,845 Honduras 116,416 Mexico 1,043,718 Nicaragua 52,184 Panama 40,897 Paraguay 61,308 Peru 416,060 Uruguay 96,943 Venezuela 134,597
TOTAL 4,580,720 (36% of Total LDS Church Membership)
Does anyone moderate this site? There is no country in the world except Vatican City in which 89% of the population is Roman Catholic, and no country in Latin America in which practicng Roman Catholics are a majority. If the INEGI (whatever that is) says 89% of the population of Mexico is Roman Catholic, then the INRGI is obviously not a credible source.
Any organization that reports that 89% of the people of Mexico are practicing Roman Catholics, and that there are only 200,000 Mormoally in Mexico, is a totally unreliable source.
I am in no way associated with you or your comments about Mexico. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.72.211.0 ( talk) 16:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
Retention
At year-end 1999, the LDS Church Almanac reports 846,931 LDS members living in Mexico. This represents the most LDS members 'The current Mexican Mormon Church was established in 1961 and claims just under 850,000 members, Pratt said. However, figures from the 2000 Mexican census, based on self-reported data, place active membership at 205,229. [24%]' (Source:Arizona Republic, July 10, 2001, http://www.azcentral.com/news/0710mormons10.html). Indeed, while nominally identifying oneself as a Latter-day Saint does not necessarily guarantee church activity, it would be difficult to claim that those who do not even identify themselves as Latter-day Saints are active or contributing members. The LDS activity rate derived from a comparison of the 2000 Mexican Census to official membership data -- 24% -- is comparable to that cited in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism: 'Attendance at sacrament meeting varies substantially. Asia and Latin America have weekly attendance rates of about 25 percent...'(Source: Encyclopedia of Mormonism, edited by Daniel H. Ludlow, 1992, 4:1527.) While there are some very dedicated LDS members in Mexico, these represent only a fraction of the total number of individuals 'on the rolls.' Much of this inactivity occurs soon after baptism, and many nominal members have never set foot in an LDS chapel more than once or twice. Adult male converts are especially prone to inactivity, creating serious challenges for local leadership. Lowell Bennion and Lawrence Young note: 'For the U.S. as a whole, only 59% of baptized males ever receive the Melchizedek Priesthood. In the South Pacific, the figure drops to 35%; in Great Britain, 29%. In Mexico (with almost 850,000 members) the figure is 19%.' (Source: Lowell C. Bennion and Lawrence Young, Dialogue, Spring 1996, p.19.) The number of wards and branches in Mexico have not increased as rapidly as LDS membership, due in large part to rampant inactivity. While mission policies are highly heterogenous, much of the problem stems from quick-baptize missionary approaches, which race individuals who have demonstrated little commitment to baptism within 10-day or 14-day target periods. Most individuals have read very little in the Book of Mormon at the time of baptism and have been to church only once or twice. Post-baptismal fellowshipping is also inconsistent. In light of these factors, it can hardly be considered surprising that up to 80% of converts are lost within two months of baptism, and 30-40% of baptizees never return to church again after baptism. Groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh-day Adventists which focus on consistent fulfillment of basic pre-baptismal commitments like church attendance and scripture reading have experienced retention rates of 70-80% and above, in contrast to LDS retention rates below the one-quartile mark. For a nation where Latter-day Saints have been proselyting for over 150 years, those trends are highly concerning. Pray for improved convert retention in Mexico, and pray that missionaries will have the gift of discernment to understand when individuals are truly converted as demonstrated by the 'fruits of repentance.' |
How about this:
I guess I can't express myself properly, or you are not reading or analyzing my comments thoroughly. I guess I must repeat myself, after all:
I do hope I have been clearer this time. -- the Dúnadan 17:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, speaking of rubbing it in, I guess I have to apologize for the "dude" a second time. Just to be cautious, I will apologize for a third time. I apologize. I find myself repeating my arguments over, and over. This, by the way, is a fact. I must repeat myself. Since you consider this point to be as important as to justify using a secondary source over a primary source, I guess it is worth the argument, assuming your vehement defense comes out of good faith. Also, please read the sources you so vehemently defend thoroughly, since you are interpreting what they say, and then claiming that they say what you think they say:
If you insist on repeating the same arguments over and over, then, with your consent, I will request for mediation. Alternatively we can open up a poll. -- the Dúnadan 00:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I don't see why this little controversy should take up so much space on this article. I've tried to rationalize (and reduce the importance of) this section accordingly. -- Jbmurray 21:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Where are these codes coming from? They are neither INEGI (national official) nor ISO 3166-2 (international official).
The official abbreviations per INEGI are: Ags. BC BCS Camp. Chis. Chih. Coah. Col. DF Dgo. Gto. Gro. Hgo. Jal. Mex. Mich. Mor. Nay. NL Oax. Pue. Qro. Q. Roo SLP Sin. Son. Tab. Tamps. Tlax. Ver. Yuc. Zac.
It may be useful also to order the states alphabetically. Rodulfo 04:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC) rodulfo
The article needs a picture of white mexicans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.13.159 ( talk • contribs) 14:44, 18 May 2007
The state abbreviations are incorrect, could someone change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francisco1986 ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 19 May 2007
You should put the image of santiago creel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.136.185 ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 23 May 2007
I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have decided to fail the article at this time. The article needs a lot more inline citations, as there are currently almost none in the Toponymy, History, Topography, Climate, Political configuration, Administrative divisions, and Culture sections. There are also spacing issues with inline citations and punctuation; the inline ciations should go directly after the punctuation with no space in between. I also don't think that the article is stable enough at this time with the current request for mediation. Once the above issues are addressed along with the rest of the criteria, and the article stable again, please consider renominating the article again. If you disagree with this review, you can seek an alternate review at Good Article Review. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 22:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Many articles are extremely POV. Specificaly it's economy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Putzin ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 27 May 2007
In the List of countries by GDP (PPP) page it is shown that mexico is in the 12th place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.136.185 ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 29 May 2007
The Mexico article is a featured article in the Nahuatl Wikipedia language, the language of the ancient aztecs, in fact is their first featured article, but the star is missing in the connection whith the Nahuatl Wikipedia page of Mexico so please someone put it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.5.242.18 ( talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 June 2007
IVE NOTICED THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ALWAYS ERASE MEXICAN PICTURES. WE KNOW YOU HATE LATIN AMERICA AND YOU WANT TO SEE IT FUCKED UP, I DONT CARE WHY. LETS NEGOCIATE ONCE IN FOR ALL WHAT STAYS IN THE PAGE AND WHAT DOESNT. AT LEAST KEEP 15 PICTURES IN THE GALLERY. I KNOW YOU DONT WANT TO MAKE THIS A TOURIST PAGE, I DONT KNOW WHY. BUT THIS PAGE ALREADY HAS INFORMATION, SO THEIRS NO BIG DEAL IF THEY ARE PICTURES. THIS PAGE REPRESENTS AND ENTIRE COUNTRY WHO IS TIRED OF STEOREOTYPING. WE MEXICO WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW A NEW MODERN MEXICO, A BEAUTIFUL MEXICO WERE THEY CAN SEE THAT MEXICO IS A GOOD COUNTRY. I DONT WHY YOU GET ANGRY ABOUT PICTURES OF MNEXICO, YOUVE ERASED EVERYTHING IVE DONE WITHOUT NEGOCIATE. KEEP THE BEACHES, BUT ARRANGE IT LIKE YOU PLEASE. IF YOU SEE ARTICLES LIKE FRANCE, ENGLAND, YOU CAN SEE ALOT OF PICTURES SO KEEP PICTURES. ECONOMY IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE SANTA FE DISTRICT IN MEXICO CITY BECAUSE ITS THE RICHIEST FINANCIAL DISTRICT OF MNEXICO CITY AND REPRESETS ALOT IN THE ECONOMY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chokolate ( talk • contribs) 22:13, 7 June 2007
The articles you present are not of incyclopedia facts. You choose to increase it what seems to present articles alike tourist guides. A Gallery according to the WikiManual must have a maximum of 4 pictures, Your gallery has ore then any other paragraph. If you would like your Gallery, I recommend you keep the 4 best pictures you like. Now according to your comment in the edit page, i figure Mexico is it's own respective country alike all other countries, and no propaganda from the U.S. or any other country take that away. The second is your picture of the Federal financial district. It already has one which represents the same idea of the other. For your most profound accusation of hate towards certain latin region, I sincerly don't, which is the reason i intend of keepingg most wiki-online ecyclopedias of it's countries under such reasonable expectations, and not a supressive photos that project a lack of self modesty.
I agree with this guy. I saw the picture gallery and it was pretty good. Wikipedia is everyone's. I wonder if the people working on this article are mexican, otherwise I don't know what's wrong with showing the world what Mexico is like. Mexico is more than those pictures shown, Wikipedia is not Wikimedia Commons but a few pictures of Mexico won't hurt anyone will it? Let's not worry about it... the picture gallery will be back. Let's see who gives up first and if you guys have a real good reason then go ahead and explain why the gallery was deleted. Dragon Lost In Mexico 04:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Again it's an Encyclopedia, not a tourist guide. A complete different engine for tourism, is in it's external links. If the wiki manual would allow a page with more pictures then facts it wouldn't be much of a encyclopedia would it? And for last, a Gallery is expected to have a 4 maximum photo limit.
I know what you mean but then you should of kept the best four pictures of the gallery eh? I'm over it, it really made me a little angry because Mexico has a lot to offer while other articles on countries show what they are made of and people like to see nice pictures but I think you are kind of right. I added a picture of Morelia I hope you guys don't mind. Peace. Viva Mexico :D Dragon Lost In Mexico 04:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
LOOK I OFFER TO PUT 8 PICTURES. PLEASE THIS AN ARTICLE OF A COUNTY. PLIS KEEP THE PICTURES. THATS ALL. IT WONT HURT NO ONE. I KNOW YOU SAY ITS NOT A TOURIST PAGE BUT ITS A PAGE THAT EXPLAINS A COUNTRY AND A PICTURE EXPLAINS THE ARTICLE. Chokolate 07:48, 9 June 2007
Glad you understood my point, but i took them off, because i could not choose, since it was you addition why don't you choose the best 4 and keep those.
The article doesn't mention anything about crime in Mexico, which is one of the largest problems Mexico has. Especially organised crime in form of drug cartels, but also the heavy corruption of governmental instanses. The current president of Mexico has recognised this problem and set in the military to fight the cartels. The whole article seems to be a bit on the fearful side on not wanting to step on any toes. By the way... How come the article is closed for editing? Never saw THAT before in any wiki-article.
I´m Mexican and I can say that most of mexicans are not white, only a minority are. I look white, but I´m mestizo, because I have indian heritage. Only about 10-15% of Mexicans are mostly white (like me, because I´m mixed race, but I look white) is an exaggeration to say that 35-40% of mexicans are mostly white. That is the percentage of countries like Chile or Brazil. And if you go to those countries you can see a lot of white people, but in Mexico, usually only the people from the upper class are white. ( The Mexican media are irreal, most of Mexicans are not like the ones showed in telenovelas, and advertising). But not all are dark, like Americans think.
- It all depends where you live. Go to a private school or to an affluent area and youll see that most people are white, or at least castizo (3/4 european ancestry). Most people dont realize that Mexico still uses the Caste system. Maybe we should write ´bout it
Well i am mexican too and i am from monterrey i attend a public school and most kids here are white i am white, and most people i see in the streets in monterrey are white my parents and both sides of my family are white and we are not rich just like most white people here i know are not rich we are just middle class and working class and i am sick of people thinking that just because you are white mexican you are rich, if you think that then you watch too many NOVELAS, and the article still puts the Mestizos as a majority of Mexico's population up to 45% Mestizos that is like 10% more mestizos than whites, because white are only 35% to 40% of the population, you and your'e parents could be white and have just a little little bit of amerindian which makes you Mestizo but you and your family might not even know it because your amerindian ancestry is so small that all of you look white, and if someone asks you what race are you you are going to say white and not mestizo, so the trully white population is estimated around 30% and not 9-15% like CIA WORLD FACTBOOK or ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANICA say because they only take into concideration the direct white popultaion and not the predominant white population, even the white americans probably like half of them have some Amerindian ancestry and not even know it but why dosnt CIA or BRITANICA include that in the U.S.A. race groups ? because it would be very pointless to go back to each person's family tree for like 70% of that nation's population who say they are white and search all of their generations from their mum and dad's family, its just crazy, so it is most educated to say that 70% of U.S.A.'s pop. is PREDOMINANTLY WHITE and 43% DIRECTLY WHITE. Just like in the case of my country MEXICO, the government of Mexico is not going to waste money in something so stupid like race ethnicity and go back to everyone's ancestry thats just impossible, so it is most educated to say that between 9% - 15% of Mexico's population is DIRECTLY WHITE, and 35% - 40% of Mexico's population is PREDOMINANTLY WHITE, which i think the article is correct by putting 35%-40% of the pop. is white because it is an EDUCATED ESTIMATE!!! and still with that percentage the Mestizos are still majority of up to 45% that is like 10% more than whites in mexico, Mestizos and whites have always been around the same number in mexico, making them the 2 most predominant ethnic groups, and if your'e the type of mexican who hates white people for the socio-economical stereotype they have been given in our country then you have nothing to worry about cuz either way Mestizos are still more numerous than whites even accounting 35% to 40% Predomiantly white Mexicans, Mestizos are stil up 45% of the population the article clearly says it at the beginning of the ethnography section that is 10% more than whites, and if you dont believe me just visit northern mexico my home, and you have like 65% of people in northern mexico who are either DIRECTLY WHITE and PREDOMINANTLY WHITE, and they are rich, poor, middle class, working class, so i plead to people who think that mexican white are rich to not watch all of those NOVELAS CHILANGAS on television and start to go out more often, because since those novelas play a big part on our culture, thats why a-lot of Mexicans think just like 10% of mexicans are white and that all of them are rich, because of the stupid mexican media which is most of the time is incorrect. (TELEVISA IN PARTICULLAR)
I´m agree with you Dunadán, for example I was born in Torreon, from a middle class family. I look white, I have green eyes and light brown hair, but most of my relatives are "typical" mestizos. This is the reason that I consider myself as mestizo. In Northern Mexico the proportion of mestizos and the people "phenotypically" white is almost the same, and the indians are a extremely small minority. But in the states from the center and south if you go out, you can see that most of the people are mestizos, mostly indians and there are a high proportion of indian people. Most of Mexicans live in the center and south, and if we lump together all the mexican population, phenotypically white Mexicans would be a small minority. INEGI says that only 10% of mexicans are indians, but they are the people who speak indian languague and preserve their traditions, but is a fact that a large number of indians have been absorbed in the mestizo population. And about the comment from the person from Monterrey, I know very well that city and most of its population doesn´t look white. I´m no longer in Torreon, I live in Hermosillo right now. And here most of the people look white, Hermosillo is the most closer to the Mexico showed in telenovelas. But we have to accept that most of mexicans are mestizos, with more indian features than Europeans, by this way we would over the huge Racism that exist here. Ironically while Mexicans in Mexico think that most of them are white and having indian heritage is a shame; foreigners think that all mexicans are dark and indian. Lithop 05:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Well of course most Mexicans are Mestizos, it clearly says it in the article, 45% Mestizos and only 35% Whites that's clearly more Mestizos than Whites that is about 10 TO 12 MILLON MORE MESTIZO MEXICANS THAN WHITE MEXICANS, so Why all that fuzzing and fighting over something the article clearly states, Oh and by the way i'm from Sabinas Hidalgo, Nuevo León and currently living here and I have relatives in Linares, Monterrey, Montemorelos, Nuevo Laredo and Saltillo, and let me tell you one thing, at least half of the people you see in the streets in all those places look White ok even in the most poor streets of those cities at least half the people you see in those places look white, yeah dont get all worked up thats just the way it is , and if you don like to see White people go to Chiapas then, END OF DISCUSSION!!! Oh one more thing, why??? do Argentines think they have all the White people in Latin America if like 95% of their population is white and their country only has like 39 to 40 million people than that means that they only have like around 33 to 35 million White people, so if Mexico has like 35% of it's population being White and that all of Mexico has like 108 million people than that means Mexico has like around 36 million Whites, that's more than Argentina, and then their is Brasil of course with far much more White people than any other place in Latin America, because if only about 50% to about 55% of people in Brasil are white (phenotypically like in most of Latin America including Mexico) then that means that about 94 to 101 millon people there are white because Brasil has a population of about 189 million people, more than any country in Latin America. One last thing, if most of you accept the fact that from the 45% of Mexicans who are Mestizo, their could be according to some sources, anywhere from a little bit more credible 22.5% PREDOMINANLTY Amerindian, to a much much more exagerated 30% of them that are PREDOMINANLTY Amerindian, to be less complicated in other words, around half of the of the Mestizos in our country are PREDOMINANLTY Amerindian (to be more realistic). So what I don't get then is that why can't most of you accept that their could be up to 35% to almost 40% of Mexicans PREDOMINANTLY European (white)??? is their like some sourt of racism thing going on here like a pro pure Amerindian/Mestizo organization that is pro for an Amerindian/Mestizo nation free of people of European heritage??? Because it sure seems like it because for example users "Lithop", and "Dúnadan" seem to get very upset when they have to hear that about more than 30% of Mexico's population is predominantly white and they start to say crapp like oh well its beacuse our society is racist and dosn't accept Mestizos which is true in some part, but damn do they sound hipocrytical when they obviously seem to deny the presence of white people in this country and say all of us are Mestizo when only like 45% of Mexicans are, and it is a majority which I accept the article clearly says that Mestizos are a 45% majority of the population in Mexico, but users "Lithop" and "Dúnadan" sure make it sound like 99.9999999% of us are Mestizo when they leave their messages in this discussion page, why can't the both of you just face the facts, why?????????? O, and just to not make you upset, again I will remind you that MESTIZOS ARE THE 45% MAJORITY OF MEXICO'S PEOPLE and WHITES ARE A MINORITY OF JUST LIKE 35% TO 40% OF MEXICO'S PEOPLE, IM SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANTED TO HEAR DIDN'T CHA', CASE CLOSED!!! what's that?, your'e not realy convinced yet? go back and read the part of the article on the ethnic groups section where it clearly says so ok, kudos!!!...
No one have changed the article, and this proportion of 35-40% whites and 45% mestizos doesn´t have source. And check the article of demography of México and is different, it says that between 9-15% of mexicans are white and has a reliable source. I would do it, but I don´t know how to, I´m new here.
The CIA and the US government historically have admitted that Mexicans are white when they do the census. I
I am curious, the CIA fact book states that the USA is 81.7% white 12.9% black, 4.2% Asian, and 2% others? This adds up to about 100%, what happened to all the Mexicans, and Hispanics? Are they saying that ones a Mexican crosses over the border he or she becomes white? that makes no sense. At what percentage does a mestizo become white, 50%, 75%, or 90%? According to the U.S census if a Mexican marks Mexican on the U.S Census, he or she will be classified as white. This leads to my final question, shouldn’t then most Mexicans be classified white, according to the CIA? Finally, I have been to several parts in Mexico and I have noticed that many, or the majority of Mexicans in central Mexico look whiter than Italians, French and middle eastern, which are classified as white everywhere. A large percentage of the Argentinean population has Amerindian mixture; doesn't that make them Mestizo's? Any ways, we will never know for sure until a large genetic sample is taken. I agree with having a predominate 35-45%; if you look at the Argentina demographics it states that 57% of the population has Amerindian ancestry, but 85-97% of the population states that they are white? I am from Jalisco; I would have to say that most people I have seen look whtier than most Italians, and Middle Eastern
I agree with you Jalisco person, I am from Nuevo Laredo and I have to say that 15% of us Mexicans white does not make any sence, I am from Nuevo Laredo and most people you see here and in most of the north are white, so probably in my opinion it is most correct to put that about 30% or perhaps 40% percent of Mexicans are white, and besides where the hell does the CIA World Factbook get that crapp of just 15% us are white, have any of them even been here to see the people in the streets or take a census??? i suggest it should be changed to 30% to 40% white, it makes more sence, and it still leaves a majority of Mestizos of about 48%, Indigenous 12%, it adds up to about 100% of the population here in Mexico, and it makes a-lot more sence than the CIA info, and any one that has been to any city here in Mexico to a mall, or grocery store, or streets, can say that at least half of the people they see are white, if it was only 15% like the CIA says, than you would once in a blue moon see that many white people here in Mexico, i suggest it should be changed like I said, I know it does not have verifiability, but neither does the CIA World Fact book on ethnography of Mexico.
White is not a race. People assume that if you´re white then you´re caucasian (wrong). There are many white people in Mexico that have visible amerindian traits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.149.136.251 ( talk) 19:31, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
Can someone put a picture of Torreon in the chart of metropolitan areas of Mexico? is the number 9 after Juarez.
Also, Puebla is located on the state of Puebla, not in Tlaxcala. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by God's Whip ( talk • contribs) 14:46, August 22, 2007 (UTC).
Hello!--- Just to point out that the first official declaration of independence occurred on September 13, 1813, by the Congress of Chilpancingo, under José María Morelos; the very same Congress passed a bill declaring September 16 as a national holiday for the beginning of the Independence War. I suggest we should make that distinction in the summary of the article. Louie 18:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest removing the mention of the movie Pan's Labyrinth in the Film section. Pan's Labyrinth is a Spanish (not Mexican) production, even though it was directed by a Mexican (Guillermo del Toro). The film also deals with the Spanish Civil War. How is this any significant example of Mexican movies? I think that the other films mentioned suffice as examples of contemporary Mexican films.
I suggest that we include a section -mention- on boxing since it is the sport that has given us more world championships than any other. The prominence of soccer in the article does not reflect our results in the playing field.
Doesnt Mexico own some islands im sure it does I have heard of them ,but im not sure of there names or were they are?
The following sentence :
Temperatures here remain high throughout the year, with only a 5 °C difference between winter and summer median temperatures.
should be :
Temperatures there remain high throughout the year, with only a 5 °C difference between winter and summer median temperatures.
or
Temperatures remain high throughout the year, with only a 5 °C difference between winter and summer median temperatures.
Using "here" is not very encyclopedia-like... If someone could fix it...
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