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The route map doesnt make sense to me (Do they ever?) Where are all the stations mentioned in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.86.83 ( talk) 15:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The route map seems upside down to me with south at the top of the map. I would be willing to do the work to invert it, though I don't want to wast my time if I'm the only one. I think the same of Metropolitan line. -- Dkbottomley ( talk) 12:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Suggested by 86.142.10.211 ( talk) on 12 December 2009 to split into Metropolitan Railway and Metropolitan District Railway. MRSC ( talk) 12:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm really glad to see this split went ahead. MRSC ( talk) 20:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Did the Met have a King's Cross station. The 1874 OS map shows a station south east of the main station, which is named on an 1899 map as King's Cross (Metropolitn), located on the Widened Lines. Mjroots ( talk) 15:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I've made a major update over the last few days, based heavily on Green, Oliver (1987). The London Underground — An illustrated history. I will be coming back in a few days to write a lead based on the current article, but I'm going to look for more sources; for example Green mentions freight but gives no details. The first underground railway will be 150 years old on 10 January 2013, it would be great to get this to featured status and on the main page on that day. Edgepedia ( talk) 08:44, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I have spotted "Extension east to Aldergate (now Moorgate) had already been planned as quadruple track between King's Cross and Aldergate so the City Widened Lines were built. Moorgate opened on 23 December 1865". My problem is that there wasn't an "Aldergate" station. There was "Aldersgate", but that is now Barbican, not Moorgate. According to Rose, both "Aldersgate Street" and "Moorgate" were opened 23 Dec 1865, so the date is correct anyway. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 09:16, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source for this? There is [1], but this appears to self-published. My books are silent on this. Edgepedia ( talk) 10:14, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
My sources differ on this I have:
seems 1200hp is the most popular. Anyone help with another source? Edgepedia ( talk) 19:39, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The common designation - 1,200 horsepower - referred to the one-hour rating, which was at a speed of 30 m.p.h.
the MV339 type traction motors, each with a nominal rating of 300hp
{{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)the MV339 type traction motors, each with a nominal rating of 330hp
Each bogie carried two 300hp nose-suspended motors
Each bogie carried two 300hp nose-suspended motors
four MV339 300hp traction motors with spur gearing 23:57
My intent is to list this article at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates in the next few days, unless anyone has any adverse comments. Edgepedia ( talk) 12:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I find the recent change in abbreviation to MR odd, although I can see the logic. Looking at the sources I have to hand, Bruce, Horne and Simpson all use Met, whereas Green uses the full word Metropolitan. I haven't seen MR anywhere. Edgepedia ( talk) 05:37, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Some acronyms are written ... with a mixture of capitals and lower-case letterswhich covers "MetR". -- Redrose64 ( talk) 23:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, I've ordered another book. The first ref recommends Jackson, Alan (1986). London's Metropolitan Railway. David & Charles. as "exhaustively researched and near definitive" so I guess we need that one. Edgepedia ( talk) 18:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
The text in the article is "In 1913, the MR had refused a merger proposal made by the UERL and it remained stubbornly independent under the leadership of Robert Selbie"; the next reference is Green p 43 which starts After rejecting the Combine's proposals for a merger in 1913, the Metropolitan maintained a determined independence from its fellow Underground operator for 20 years. The Metropolitan's development for this period ... guided by its able General Manager Robert Hope Selbie .... Not seeing the problem at the moment. Edgepedia ( talk) 06:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Why is there a cross through tower of London in the image ?
Also is there any explanation or more detail for the "tons of horns found 20ft below the surface" mentioned? Something to do with a slaughterhouse? but why just horns? I see it is mentioned in various contemporary publications eg [4] The most remarkable discovery was that of a thick stratum of bullock's horns, commencing about twenty feet below the surface, and extending to an unascertained distance beneath. Although the deposit was doubtless made many centuries ago, the horns had suffered so little by decay that they found a ready sale in the market . The Builder, vol.43 (29 Sep 1882) says Skulls, of which some have by ethnologists been thought to belong to a race inferior in type to the Romans, deer-horns, tons of bullock-horns, and some lengths of elm-wood water-pipes on Tower-hill, were among the things found. I cant find anything 'archaeological' written about it - but it sounds notable - must be something somewhere? Oranjblud ( talk) 15:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a brief reference to Metropolitan Railway Country Estates under the heading Metro-land 1914-32. MRCE was floated on the Stock Exchange in 1919 and became a substantial housebuider in its own right - possibly one of the largest in the 1950s. Its main operating associate, Whelmar, was sold to Christian Salvesen in 1968 and the remainder of the business was taken over by Guardian Royal Exchange in 1971. Is there a case for a separate entry on MRCE? Bebington ( talk) 14:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Which was the first station built for the Metropolitan Railway? Simply south.... .. walking into bells for just 6 years 15:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Some aspects of the map at File:Completing the Circle.svg look wrong:
Winstonsmith99 ( talk) 20:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
This edit changes "had opened a single track railway in tunnel with new platforms at Baker Street" to "had opened a single track railway in a tunnel with new platforms at Baker Street." I'd always assumed that "in tunnel" was an acceptable and appropriate form for usages like this and has a slightly different meaning from "in a tunnel" where it seems to specify a particular tunnel. To me "in tunnel" is somewhere between a non-counting noun and a mild technicalism meaning that it's in a tunnel, or in some tunnels, or whatever, but as an overall (hoho) property rather than drilling down (haha) to a specific thing. Does this make any kind of sense at all, or should I just go and get a nice cup of tea? I'm certainly not up for a fist fight with Stephen over this, but would be interested to discuss it. :) Cheers DBaK ( talk) 12:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, both - seems right, and reads better, to me. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 16:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
This is a FA and soon it will be feature in Wikipedia's main page, but please can any of the regular editors double check the opening day. The Economist, which back then reported the event and the TfL site here, these reliable sources say the anniversary is on the 9th not the 10th.-- Mariordo ( talk) 15:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
The mention in the opening sentence is odd. To all Londoners 'the Met' is the Metropolitan Police not the railway; when abbreviated nowadays it'll be called the 'Met line' as in 'The Met line isn't running east of Baker Street again'. I suggest that before this gets featured status someone find a conclusive reference to support it. Even if found an indication that the abbreviation is no longer current my be needed. S a g a C i t y ( talk) 18:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Is it really necessary for this article to specify that London is in England? I thought there was a "too obvious to specify" clause for world cities, and the like. I've reverted it twice, though, so will leave others to decide what to do. I am not up for a fist fight over it! :) Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 15:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
There was a little confusion surrounding this word. Should I link it [[Terminal train station|termini]] ? Edgepedia ( talk) 09:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
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See [5] for article on opening which has image of opening likely in public domain. Article is too nicely together for me to (possibly diruptively) add it. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
In the lede; this sentence is confusing me...
Former Met tracks and stations are used by the London Underground's Metropolitan, Circle, District, Hammersmith & City, Piccadilly, Jubilee and Victoria lines, and by Chiltern Railways and Great Northern.
What stations or tracks of the present day Victoria line are former Met line? I find nothing in the article to support the claim that the Met Railway built any infrastructure that was later used for the Victoria line.
184.13.79.204 ( talk) 16:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
and [[Victoria line|Victoria]]<!-- Former GNCR tunnels from Finsbury Park to north of Drayton Park plus platforms at Finsbury Park and Highbury & Islington --> lines
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The route map doesnt make sense to me (Do they ever?) Where are all the stations mentioned in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.86.83 ( talk) 15:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The route map seems upside down to me with south at the top of the map. I would be willing to do the work to invert it, though I don't want to wast my time if I'm the only one. I think the same of Metropolitan line. -- Dkbottomley ( talk) 12:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Suggested by 86.142.10.211 ( talk) on 12 December 2009 to split into Metropolitan Railway and Metropolitan District Railway. MRSC ( talk) 12:32, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm really glad to see this split went ahead. MRSC ( talk) 20:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Did the Met have a King's Cross station. The 1874 OS map shows a station south east of the main station, which is named on an 1899 map as King's Cross (Metropolitn), located on the Widened Lines. Mjroots ( talk) 15:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I've made a major update over the last few days, based heavily on Green, Oliver (1987). The London Underground — An illustrated history. I will be coming back in a few days to write a lead based on the current article, but I'm going to look for more sources; for example Green mentions freight but gives no details. The first underground railway will be 150 years old on 10 January 2013, it would be great to get this to featured status and on the main page on that day. Edgepedia ( talk) 08:44, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I have spotted "Extension east to Aldergate (now Moorgate) had already been planned as quadruple track between King's Cross and Aldergate so the City Widened Lines were built. Moorgate opened on 23 December 1865". My problem is that there wasn't an "Aldergate" station. There was "Aldersgate", but that is now Barbican, not Moorgate. According to Rose, both "Aldersgate Street" and "Moorgate" were opened 23 Dec 1865, so the date is correct anyway. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 09:16, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone have a source for this? There is [1], but this appears to self-published. My books are silent on this. Edgepedia ( talk) 10:14, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
My sources differ on this I have:
seems 1200hp is the most popular. Anyone help with another source? Edgepedia ( talk) 19:39, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
The common designation - 1,200 horsepower - referred to the one-hour rating, which was at a speed of 30 m.p.h.
the MV339 type traction motors, each with a nominal rating of 300hp
{{
cite book}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)the MV339 type traction motors, each with a nominal rating of 330hp
Each bogie carried two 300hp nose-suspended motors
Each bogie carried two 300hp nose-suspended motors
four MV339 300hp traction motors with spur gearing 23:57
My intent is to list this article at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates in the next few days, unless anyone has any adverse comments. Edgepedia ( talk) 12:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I find the recent change in abbreviation to MR odd, although I can see the logic. Looking at the sources I have to hand, Bruce, Horne and Simpson all use Met, whereas Green uses the full word Metropolitan. I haven't seen MR anywhere. Edgepedia ( talk) 05:37, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Some acronyms are written ... with a mixture of capitals and lower-case letterswhich covers "MetR". -- Redrose64 ( talk) 23:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
OK, I've ordered another book. The first ref recommends Jackson, Alan (1986). London's Metropolitan Railway. David & Charles. as "exhaustively researched and near definitive" so I guess we need that one. Edgepedia ( talk) 18:20, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
The text in the article is "In 1913, the MR had refused a merger proposal made by the UERL and it remained stubbornly independent under the leadership of Robert Selbie"; the next reference is Green p 43 which starts After rejecting the Combine's proposals for a merger in 1913, the Metropolitan maintained a determined independence from its fellow Underground operator for 20 years. The Metropolitan's development for this period ... guided by its able General Manager Robert Hope Selbie .... Not seeing the problem at the moment. Edgepedia ( talk) 06:05, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Why is there a cross through tower of London in the image ?
Also is there any explanation or more detail for the "tons of horns found 20ft below the surface" mentioned? Something to do with a slaughterhouse? but why just horns? I see it is mentioned in various contemporary publications eg [4] The most remarkable discovery was that of a thick stratum of bullock's horns, commencing about twenty feet below the surface, and extending to an unascertained distance beneath. Although the deposit was doubtless made many centuries ago, the horns had suffered so little by decay that they found a ready sale in the market . The Builder, vol.43 (29 Sep 1882) says Skulls, of which some have by ethnologists been thought to belong to a race inferior in type to the Romans, deer-horns, tons of bullock-horns, and some lengths of elm-wood water-pipes on Tower-hill, were among the things found. I cant find anything 'archaeological' written about it - but it sounds notable - must be something somewhere? Oranjblud ( talk) 15:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a brief reference to Metropolitan Railway Country Estates under the heading Metro-land 1914-32. MRCE was floated on the Stock Exchange in 1919 and became a substantial housebuider in its own right - possibly one of the largest in the 1950s. Its main operating associate, Whelmar, was sold to Christian Salvesen in 1968 and the remainder of the business was taken over by Guardian Royal Exchange in 1971. Is there a case for a separate entry on MRCE? Bebington ( talk) 14:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Which was the first station built for the Metropolitan Railway? Simply south.... .. walking into bells for just 6 years 15:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Some aspects of the map at File:Completing the Circle.svg look wrong:
Winstonsmith99 ( talk) 20:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
This edit changes "had opened a single track railway in tunnel with new platforms at Baker Street" to "had opened a single track railway in a tunnel with new platforms at Baker Street." I'd always assumed that "in tunnel" was an acceptable and appropriate form for usages like this and has a slightly different meaning from "in a tunnel" where it seems to specify a particular tunnel. To me "in tunnel" is somewhere between a non-counting noun and a mild technicalism meaning that it's in a tunnel, or in some tunnels, or whatever, but as an overall (hoho) property rather than drilling down (haha) to a specific thing. Does this make any kind of sense at all, or should I just go and get a nice cup of tea? I'm certainly not up for a fist fight with Stephen over this, but would be interested to discuss it. :) Cheers DBaK ( talk) 12:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, both - seems right, and reads better, to me. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 16:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
This is a FA and soon it will be feature in Wikipedia's main page, but please can any of the regular editors double check the opening day. The Economist, which back then reported the event and the TfL site here, these reliable sources say the anniversary is on the 9th not the 10th.-- Mariordo ( talk) 15:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
The mention in the opening sentence is odd. To all Londoners 'the Met' is the Metropolitan Police not the railway; when abbreviated nowadays it'll be called the 'Met line' as in 'The Met line isn't running east of Baker Street again'. I suggest that before this gets featured status someone find a conclusive reference to support it. Even if found an indication that the abbreviation is no longer current my be needed. S a g a C i t y ( talk) 18:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Is it really necessary for this article to specify that London is in England? I thought there was a "too obvious to specify" clause for world cities, and the like. I've reverted it twice, though, so will leave others to decide what to do. I am not up for a fist fight over it! :) Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 15:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
There was a little confusion surrounding this word. Should I link it [[Terminal train station|termini]] ? Edgepedia ( talk) 09:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
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See [5] for article on opening which has image of opening likely in public domain. Article is too nicely together for me to (possibly diruptively) add it. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 22:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
In the lede; this sentence is confusing me...
Former Met tracks and stations are used by the London Underground's Metropolitan, Circle, District, Hammersmith & City, Piccadilly, Jubilee and Victoria lines, and by Chiltern Railways and Great Northern.
What stations or tracks of the present day Victoria line are former Met line? I find nothing in the article to support the claim that the Met Railway built any infrastructure that was later used for the Victoria line.
184.13.79.204 ( talk) 16:45, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
and [[Victoria line|Victoria]]<!-- Former GNCR tunnels from Finsbury Park to north of Drayton Park plus platforms at Finsbury Park and Highbury & Islington --> lines