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See this page from Square One Shopping Centre's website and it clearly states that Square One is #2. -- Mb1000 04:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I would have to disagree. More stores or retail space does not necessarily mean larger. In addition to Square One's official website (which is frequently updated and is unlikely to contain innacurate information) the following webpages also concur with my edit, and agree that Square One is the second largest mall in Canada:
-- Mb1000 05:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Good work. Keep it up! :) -- Mb1000 17:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Two points on this: One, before the Metrotown expansion, Square One was clearly the second largest mall in Canada, and this was widely publicized, so it's not surprising that some people keep repeating this factoid in press releases or what have you. It's also not surprising that Square One keeps making this claim, as being the second biggest is probably a big selling point for the mall when it come to attracting retailers and tourists. None of these claims are backed by any hard evidence.
Two, there seem to be a number of different measures used to gauge the size of malls. For example, the Mall of America is famous as the biggest mall in the U.S., but it is actually only the biggest when it comes to total area. [5] There are actually a number of American malls that are bigger when measured by amount of leaseable retail space. By that meassure, Metrotown would seem to be the bigger mall. If Square One's claim is based on the fact that it has a bigger total area, that should be supported by actual data on the areas of the two malls. The only other way Square One could claim to be bigger is if Metrotown is looked at as two seperate entities rather than a single mall. This is the case with the King of Prussia Mall, which claims to be the second-biggest mall in America, but on most lists is broken down into three smaller malls.
- timminspress 12/08/2006
I got a response from Metrotown:
Metropolis at Metrotown became Canada's 2nd largest mall (1.8 million square feet, 470 stores) on completion of the joining of Metrotown Centre and Metropolis at Metrotown on March 22, 2005. Apparently word hasn't reached Mississauga yet as you are actually the 2nd person to mention to me that Square One makes that assertion.
— Shane Eldstrom, General Manager - Metropolis @ Metrotown
Is that sufficient? Carson 23:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
What was the response from Square One? -- Mb1000 18:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
What about the line "and third largest in North America" - third largest in what? I can't see anything that would qualify it for that... Astorrs ( talk) 01:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Metropolis at Metrotown is the second most visited mall in Canada, but it is not the third largest mall in Canada in any category anymore. It is fifth largest in area. Zacharycmango ( talk) 22:33, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 15:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Metrotown → Metropolis at Metrotown — "Metropolis at Metrotown" is the official mall name, not just "Metrotown". The article "Metrotown" must be moved to "Metropolis at Metrotown". — Steam5 19:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.I was unaware of the above discussion, and would have said "oppose", and the most important reason being the Metrotown is a neighbourhood and not just the shopping mall(s). This article should be split between the puff-piece on the mall and an account of the area and its sociology and history etc. Equating a shopping mall with a part of a city as if they were the same thing is just WRONG. In the state this article is in, if it has the Burnaby neighbouhoods template that shoudl be taken off, as right now it's about the mall (and the lede should be changed to match teh re-affirmed title. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Perusing various links this morning I found this article in the Vancouver Review by Terry Glavin, which has lots of stuff on the Metrotown area's history and former culture, before its Asiafication . Lots in this material should be in the Metrotown neighbourhood article, or perhaps the details of which part of which shopping centre is on top of the ruins/site of former businesses/homes/neighbourhoods could be integrated here.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe there should be one article for the neighborhood and one for the mall? I just moved to this neighborhood, and it's a dense urban area, so I'm kind of confused why there isn't an article about the location under the name Metrotown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.171.157 ( talk) 20:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
(reset indent) I suppose we'll proceed then. The Interior, could you please help with deleting the current Metropolis at Metrotown redirect, so we can move Metrotown there? I think I can do the rest on my own. Thanks. - Hinto ( talk) 04:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
This is a minor event, and a whole section devoted to it is undue emphasis. The source provided isn't even about the event; it is mentioned near the end of the piece as context. Here is how the Sun describes it: In that case, 16-year-old Jakub Markiewicz said his rights were violated when he was set upon by security guards and then arrested by police after photographing an incident at Metrotown. Doug MacDougall, director of Metrotown Properties, said Markiewicz started filming and didn’t stop when he was asked to by the security guards. The RCMP handcuffed Markiewicz and took him out of the mall. On Friday, Ministry of Justice spokeswoman Amy Lapsley said in an email that the security programs division contacted the Markiewicz’s family directly but, to date, a formal complaint had not been lodged. An investigation was launched anyway and concluded that there were no contraventions of the Security Services Act by the guards.
So, no formal complaint, no one charged, much ado about nothing. I propose removing this section. The Interior (Talk) 16:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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See this page from Square One Shopping Centre's website and it clearly states that Square One is #2. -- Mb1000 04:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I would have to disagree. More stores or retail space does not necessarily mean larger. In addition to Square One's official website (which is frequently updated and is unlikely to contain innacurate information) the following webpages also concur with my edit, and agree that Square One is the second largest mall in Canada:
-- Mb1000 05:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Good work. Keep it up! :) -- Mb1000 17:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Two points on this: One, before the Metrotown expansion, Square One was clearly the second largest mall in Canada, and this was widely publicized, so it's not surprising that some people keep repeating this factoid in press releases or what have you. It's also not surprising that Square One keeps making this claim, as being the second biggest is probably a big selling point for the mall when it come to attracting retailers and tourists. None of these claims are backed by any hard evidence.
Two, there seem to be a number of different measures used to gauge the size of malls. For example, the Mall of America is famous as the biggest mall in the U.S., but it is actually only the biggest when it comes to total area. [5] There are actually a number of American malls that are bigger when measured by amount of leaseable retail space. By that meassure, Metrotown would seem to be the bigger mall. If Square One's claim is based on the fact that it has a bigger total area, that should be supported by actual data on the areas of the two malls. The only other way Square One could claim to be bigger is if Metrotown is looked at as two seperate entities rather than a single mall. This is the case with the King of Prussia Mall, which claims to be the second-biggest mall in America, but on most lists is broken down into three smaller malls.
- timminspress 12/08/2006
I got a response from Metrotown:
Metropolis at Metrotown became Canada's 2nd largest mall (1.8 million square feet, 470 stores) on completion of the joining of Metrotown Centre and Metropolis at Metrotown on March 22, 2005. Apparently word hasn't reached Mississauga yet as you are actually the 2nd person to mention to me that Square One makes that assertion.
— Shane Eldstrom, General Manager - Metropolis @ Metrotown
Is that sufficient? Carson 23:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
What was the response from Square One? -- Mb1000 18:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
What about the line "and third largest in North America" - third largest in what? I can't see anything that would qualify it for that... Astorrs ( talk) 01:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Metropolis at Metrotown is the second most visited mall in Canada, but it is not the third largest mall in Canada in any category anymore. It is fifth largest in area. Zacharycmango ( talk) 22:33, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 15:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Metrotown → Metropolis at Metrotown — "Metropolis at Metrotown" is the official mall name, not just "Metrotown". The article "Metrotown" must be moved to "Metropolis at Metrotown". — Steam5 19:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.I was unaware of the above discussion, and would have said "oppose", and the most important reason being the Metrotown is a neighbourhood and not just the shopping mall(s). This article should be split between the puff-piece on the mall and an account of the area and its sociology and history etc. Equating a shopping mall with a part of a city as if they were the same thing is just WRONG. In the state this article is in, if it has the Burnaby neighbouhoods template that shoudl be taken off, as right now it's about the mall (and the lede should be changed to match teh re-affirmed title. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Perusing various links this morning I found this article in the Vancouver Review by Terry Glavin, which has lots of stuff on the Metrotown area's history and former culture, before its Asiafication . Lots in this material should be in the Metrotown neighbourhood article, or perhaps the details of which part of which shopping centre is on top of the ruins/site of former businesses/homes/neighbourhoods could be integrated here.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Maybe there should be one article for the neighborhood and one for the mall? I just moved to this neighborhood, and it's a dense urban area, so I'm kind of confused why there isn't an article about the location under the name Metrotown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.171.157 ( talk) 20:06, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
(reset indent) I suppose we'll proceed then. The Interior, could you please help with deleting the current Metropolis at Metrotown redirect, so we can move Metrotown there? I think I can do the rest on my own. Thanks. - Hinto ( talk) 04:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
This is a minor event, and a whole section devoted to it is undue emphasis. The source provided isn't even about the event; it is mentioned near the end of the piece as context. Here is how the Sun describes it: In that case, 16-year-old Jakub Markiewicz said his rights were violated when he was set upon by security guards and then arrested by police after photographing an incident at Metrotown. Doug MacDougall, director of Metrotown Properties, said Markiewicz started filming and didn’t stop when he was asked to by the security guards. The RCMP handcuffed Markiewicz and took him out of the mall. On Friday, Ministry of Justice spokeswoman Amy Lapsley said in an email that the security programs division contacted the Markiewicz’s family directly but, to date, a formal complaint had not been lodged. An investigation was launched anyway and concluded that there were no contraventions of the Security Services Act by the guards.
So, no formal complaint, no one charged, much ado about nothing. I propose removing this section. The Interior (Talk) 16:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)