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I agree with the recommendation to merge (purge?) the article on so-called meta-modeling technique with either the metamodel or meta-modeling pages. (Those pages should also be reconciled, but that is a different matter.) The meta-modeling technique article is haphazard and poorly written as an elaboration of metamodeling; it is basically a scantily researched, intro-level academic term paper (not even really original research).
Any discussion of metamodeling to be credible at this time needs to address the [ OMG's Meta-Object Facility.] The articles on metamodels and meta-modeling are headed in the right direction. Charles T. Betz 04:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
The article presently states:
By whom is this orthography recommended? -- Allan McInnes ( talk) 21:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm having some trouble understanding what metamodeling is from this entry. I try to relate it to what I know and I remain confused.
The opening sentence states "metamodeling is the construction of a collection of "concepts" (things, terms, etc.) within a certain domain". That just sounds like creating a data model. So why isn't that "modeling" instead of "metamodeling"?
I want to build up a lending library application. I have books, CDs, and DVDs and I lend them out to people and organizations. Using pure data modeling, I create Book, CD, DVD, People, and Organization types. I normalize the model and factor out Lendable and Borrower as base types. Those 7 types are my "model". The books, people, etc in my data store are my "data". (I state those last two things explicitly to make sure we have the same understanding of "data" and "model".)
In new-school terminology, I'm making an extendable lending application. I create the base types Lendable and Borrower. I create a mechanism so that people using my application can create derived types to model their situation. In this world, I have created a metamodel that allows people to create a data model. Maybe they make one for books, CDs, and DVDs or maybe they make it for power tools and model trains.
Is that correct? Are the types Lendable and Borrower the metamodel? Should Lendable and Borrower be abstract (non-instantiable) types? If they aren't abstract, are they part of the metamodel and the data model? Is the code (or definition language) I write that lets people define their own types (Book, PowerTool) the metamodel?
Is a general purpose data modeling tool or language a metamodel? UML? An RDBMS language like SQL? XSD?
Perhaps the answer is I should go get a basic text book on metamodeling and read it so I can contribute constructively instead of just asking questions. Ishi Gustaedr 21:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Ruud Koot has proposed that these this and Meta-modeling technique be merged. I have updated the date tag at Meta-modeling technique and placed a merge tag on this page. I take no position on whether or not these should be merged. -- Selket Talk 00:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The section "Concepts in metamodeling" seems totally out of scope with respect to the general notion of metamodeling. It presents data from a strange "Wikipedia:WikiProject Method engineering." which is not relevant to the usual acceptation of the term metamodeling.
It seems they have an overloaded definition of metamodeling within the scope of that project, but a pointer to that possible meaning of the term would be largely sufficient on this general page on metamodeling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YannTM ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I am starting to regret my last move allready. The Metadata modeling article seems to be a recreation of the Meta-modeling technique article, see here. We are back were the discussion started here 21 April 2006. What the hell went wrong here? -- Mdd ( talk) 10:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I allready explained in the above discussion, see Mdd (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC) that:
-- Mdd ( talk) 02:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I've written a new article about Portofino, an open-source web application framework written in Java and based on model-driven engineering.
The framework was mentioned in the Metamodeling article (as "ManyDesigns Portofino"), so I would kindly ask anybody interested in the subject to review my article and provide some feedback.
I'm keeping the article under my personal page during the review process.
Predonzani ( talk) 09:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
The following links in references should be corrected or removed:
Oleg Garitselov, Saraju Mohanty, and Elias Kougianos, "A Comparative Study of Metamodels for Fast and Accurate Simulation of Nano-CMOS Circuits", IEEE Transactions on Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM), Vol. 25, No. 1, February 2012, pp. 26--36.
Saraju Mohanty Ultra-Fast Design Exploration of Nanoscale Circuits through Metamodeling, Invited Talk, Semiconductor Research Corportation (SRC), Texas Analog Center for Excellence (TxACE), 27 April 2012.
Saraju Mohanty and Elias Kougianos, "Polynomial Metamodel Based Fast Optimization of Nano-CMOS Oscillator Circuits", Springer Analog Integrated Circuits and Signal Processing Journal, Volume 79, Issue 3, June 2014, pp. 437--453.
Jean-Marie Favre: Towards a Basic Theory to Model Driven Engineering.
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I agree with the recommendation to merge (purge?) the article on so-called meta-modeling technique with either the metamodel or meta-modeling pages. (Those pages should also be reconciled, but that is a different matter.) The meta-modeling technique article is haphazard and poorly written as an elaboration of metamodeling; it is basically a scantily researched, intro-level academic term paper (not even really original research).
Any discussion of metamodeling to be credible at this time needs to address the [ OMG's Meta-Object Facility.] The articles on metamodels and meta-modeling are headed in the right direction. Charles T. Betz 04:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
The article presently states:
By whom is this orthography recommended? -- Allan McInnes ( talk) 21:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm having some trouble understanding what metamodeling is from this entry. I try to relate it to what I know and I remain confused.
The opening sentence states "metamodeling is the construction of a collection of "concepts" (things, terms, etc.) within a certain domain". That just sounds like creating a data model. So why isn't that "modeling" instead of "metamodeling"?
I want to build up a lending library application. I have books, CDs, and DVDs and I lend them out to people and organizations. Using pure data modeling, I create Book, CD, DVD, People, and Organization types. I normalize the model and factor out Lendable and Borrower as base types. Those 7 types are my "model". The books, people, etc in my data store are my "data". (I state those last two things explicitly to make sure we have the same understanding of "data" and "model".)
In new-school terminology, I'm making an extendable lending application. I create the base types Lendable and Borrower. I create a mechanism so that people using my application can create derived types to model their situation. In this world, I have created a metamodel that allows people to create a data model. Maybe they make one for books, CDs, and DVDs or maybe they make it for power tools and model trains.
Is that correct? Are the types Lendable and Borrower the metamodel? Should Lendable and Borrower be abstract (non-instantiable) types? If they aren't abstract, are they part of the metamodel and the data model? Is the code (or definition language) I write that lets people define their own types (Book, PowerTool) the metamodel?
Is a general purpose data modeling tool or language a metamodel? UML? An RDBMS language like SQL? XSD?
Perhaps the answer is I should go get a basic text book on metamodeling and read it so I can contribute constructively instead of just asking questions. Ishi Gustaedr 21:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Ruud Koot has proposed that these this and Meta-modeling technique be merged. I have updated the date tag at Meta-modeling technique and placed a merge tag on this page. I take no position on whether or not these should be merged. -- Selket Talk 00:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The section "Concepts in metamodeling" seems totally out of scope with respect to the general notion of metamodeling. It presents data from a strange "Wikipedia:WikiProject Method engineering." which is not relevant to the usual acceptation of the term metamodeling.
It seems they have an overloaded definition of metamodeling within the scope of that project, but a pointer to that possible meaning of the term would be largely sufficient on this general page on metamodeling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YannTM ( talk • contribs) 15:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I am starting to regret my last move allready. The Metadata modeling article seems to be a recreation of the Meta-modeling technique article, see here. We are back were the discussion started here 21 April 2006. What the hell went wrong here? -- Mdd ( talk) 10:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I allready explained in the above discussion, see Mdd (talk) 22:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC) that:
-- Mdd ( talk) 02:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I've written a new article about Portofino, an open-source web application framework written in Java and based on model-driven engineering.
The framework was mentioned in the Metamodeling article (as "ManyDesigns Portofino"), so I would kindly ask anybody interested in the subject to review my article and provide some feedback.
I'm keeping the article under my personal page during the review process.
Predonzani ( talk) 09:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
The following links in references should be corrected or removed:
Oleg Garitselov, Saraju Mohanty, and Elias Kougianos, "A Comparative Study of Metamodels for Fast and Accurate Simulation of Nano-CMOS Circuits", IEEE Transactions on Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSM), Vol. 25, No. 1, February 2012, pp. 26--36.
Saraju Mohanty Ultra-Fast Design Exploration of Nanoscale Circuits through Metamodeling, Invited Talk, Semiconductor Research Corportation (SRC), Texas Analog Center for Excellence (TxACE), 27 April 2012.
Saraju Mohanty and Elias Kougianos, "Polynomial Metamodel Based Fast Optimization of Nano-CMOS Oscillator Circuits", Springer Analog Integrated Circuits and Signal Processing Journal, Volume 79, Issue 3, June 2014, pp. 437--453.
Jean-Marie Favre: Towards a Basic Theory to Model Driven Engineering.
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