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Reviewer: Lewismaster ( talk · contribs) 22:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
My compliments for choosing such a highly visible article to upgrade to GA status. In this moment the article is not ready for GA promotion, because it needs much work to expand its content, fix its structure and repair its references. I don't want to put too much pressure on you, but I need to remind you that the album is inserted among the 500 best albums according to Rolling Stone, is graded Top class in Wikiproject Albums importance scale and is viewed by an average of 1000 users every day. I think that some extra care and coherence with the MOS is needed when trying to promote such articles to GA status, keeping in mind that many readers, casual or not, know very little about the subject and need to be introduced to it.
Having said that, let's start with the content that article is missing. The making of this album has a complex background and a rich history. I remember distinctly that its release started a vehement controversy between metal fans and musicians, who dubbed Metallica as sell outs, and new fans and mainstream critics who welcomed the new and more commercial course of their music. Just hints of these facts are present in the article, which maintains for the main parts exactly the same structure, paragraphing and references already judged insufficient in the 2011 GA review. All the new research and sources are for charts, sales and more and quite biased reviews. Even after a cosmetic clean up by the Guild of Copy Editors, the article appears unbalanced, with too much emphasis given to the success and accolades Metallica received and too little to music style, song composition and production values.
The structure of the article, according to the MOS, is at least two sections short, namely Background and Release. Moreover, the text in current sections Recording and Composition needs to be expanded, analyzed and put in a more logical and chronological sequence. I strongly suggest the creation of a Music style section where to describe all the changes that Metallica introduced with this album. The article is also filled with too many quotations from various copyrighted sources and too little original text. Copyrighted text should be kept to a minimum and it sincerely appears to be excessive in this article (see WP:MOSQUOTE and Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources).
References are another big problem. After a rapid review of the references, I counted 20 dead links, 8 repetitions, one nude URL, various problems with the formats and some unreliable sources.
Following the MOS for the article body here are some suggestions for section structure and for expanding the content of the article:
The reference about the release date should be put in a dedicated section, not here. According to reference [14] two studios were used, so insert both of them in the infobox under Studio =.
The lead reflects the lack of content of the article. It is centered on singles, charts and sales. The last sentence should not be here, but in the Tour section.
This section is missing and should contain a short description of what happened before the production of the album. It would be a nice introduction for new readers, featuring substantial info about the pre-production phases. The list below contains only suggestions and some considerations useful for the editor's research, put approximately in chronological order.
I think that this section should be the core of the article, although now it is reduced to three not-very-descriptive sentences.
The best section so far.
There is no text about the dates of release, no information about the labels that published the album and nothing about the formats. I remember a double vinyl LP. If you don't want to create a Release history section that info should be here. The reference in the infobox about the release date should also be put here.
The tour section should be separated from the promotion, because it is quite bulky and contains much information.
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.The rationales for the two sound samples are not acceptable as they are now. The two songs are not discussed in the article and the sample inclusions need to be better justified. The accompanying text should explain explicitly why the information contained in the audio cannot practically be represented as text.
The article still needs a lot of work, which cannot be done well in a short time. For this reason I won't put the review on hold, but declare the upgrade to GA status failed. This judgement is not meant to discourage you from trying again after some or all the suggested improvements have been applied. The consultation of any biography about Metallica and its members, as well as watching the documentaries and finding the best articles and interviews about Metallica among the huge quantity available on the web could be the basis to expand your search. Good luck. Lewismaster ( talk) 07:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Lewismaster ( talk · contribs) 22:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
My compliments for choosing such a highly visible article to upgrade to GA status. In this moment the article is not ready for GA promotion, because it needs much work to expand its content, fix its structure and repair its references. I don't want to put too much pressure on you, but I need to remind you that the album is inserted among the 500 best albums according to Rolling Stone, is graded Top class in Wikiproject Albums importance scale and is viewed by an average of 1000 users every day. I think that some extra care and coherence with the MOS is needed when trying to promote such articles to GA status, keeping in mind that many readers, casual or not, know very little about the subject and need to be introduced to it.
Having said that, let's start with the content that article is missing. The making of this album has a complex background and a rich history. I remember distinctly that its release started a vehement controversy between metal fans and musicians, who dubbed Metallica as sell outs, and new fans and mainstream critics who welcomed the new and more commercial course of their music. Just hints of these facts are present in the article, which maintains for the main parts exactly the same structure, paragraphing and references already judged insufficient in the 2011 GA review. All the new research and sources are for charts, sales and more and quite biased reviews. Even after a cosmetic clean up by the Guild of Copy Editors, the article appears unbalanced, with too much emphasis given to the success and accolades Metallica received and too little to music style, song composition and production values.
The structure of the article, according to the MOS, is at least two sections short, namely Background and Release. Moreover, the text in current sections Recording and Composition needs to be expanded, analyzed and put in a more logical and chronological sequence. I strongly suggest the creation of a Music style section where to describe all the changes that Metallica introduced with this album. The article is also filled with too many quotations from various copyrighted sources and too little original text. Copyrighted text should be kept to a minimum and it sincerely appears to be excessive in this article (see WP:MOSQUOTE and Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources).
References are another big problem. After a rapid review of the references, I counted 20 dead links, 8 repetitions, one nude URL, various problems with the formats and some unreliable sources.
Following the MOS for the article body here are some suggestions for section structure and for expanding the content of the article:
The reference about the release date should be put in a dedicated section, not here. According to reference [14] two studios were used, so insert both of them in the infobox under Studio =.
The lead reflects the lack of content of the article. It is centered on singles, charts and sales. The last sentence should not be here, but in the Tour section.
This section is missing and should contain a short description of what happened before the production of the album. It would be a nice introduction for new readers, featuring substantial info about the pre-production phases. The list below contains only suggestions and some considerations useful for the editor's research, put approximately in chronological order.
I think that this section should be the core of the article, although now it is reduced to three not-very-descriptive sentences.
The best section so far.
There is no text about the dates of release, no information about the labels that published the album and nothing about the formats. I remember a double vinyl LP. If you don't want to create a Release history section that info should be here. The reference in the infobox about the release date should also be put here.
The tour section should be separated from the promotion, because it is quite bulky and contains much information.
<ref name="name">content</ref>
and <ref name="name" />
.The rationales for the two sound samples are not acceptable as they are now. The two songs are not discussed in the article and the sample inclusions need to be better justified. The accompanying text should explain explicitly why the information contained in the audio cannot practically be represented as text.
The article still needs a lot of work, which cannot be done well in a short time. For this reason I won't put the review on hold, but declare the upgrade to GA status failed. This judgement is not meant to discourage you from trying again after some or all the suggested improvements have been applied. The consultation of any biography about Metallica and its members, as well as watching the documentaries and finding the best articles and interviews about Metallica among the huge quantity available on the web could be the basis to expand your search. Good luck. Lewismaster ( talk) 07:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)