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Al pereira asks (and I quote) "where damn you found that iit was begun in 1976?" Of course it was 1876 I wrote, not 1976, and that date comes from the programme notes of Claudio Scimone's recording with José Carreras (released 16/09/2002, Apex 0927486922). You will see the same information recycled at the website of the Brighton Orpheus Choir. Grove confirms the Credo was performed two years before the rest of the mass, which he had therefore been working on for while by 1880. Now Al, if you have any evidence to show that this is incorrect, I would ask you produce it, instead of making more and more hasty edits that you cannot or will not back up with reference to sources. Meanwhile I suggest you confine your editing to moments when you are in a suitably calm frame of mind. (Incidentally, there is no such English word as "uncorrectly". It might be a good idea to use a spell-checker while you edit.) Flapdragon 01:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
See Al's Talk page for more his vehement opinion on why this entry must be shown at Missa and not either of the usual titles, Messa di Gloria or Messa a Quattro Voci. Flapdragon 01:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You're right, I don't need help from someone who it seems has yet to grasp the basics of Wikipedia editing, such as providing sources and remaining civil. Once again, I urge you to read your welcome message, and edit in a calm frame of mind. And no, you keep mentioning Schickling's catalogue but you still have not provided the text of the citation you claim asserts that "Messa" is the usual name for this piece, something which is clearly untrue. You don't seem able to distinguish between that simple fact, and the opinion that the title is erroneous. That opinion may be valid, but the title is still what the title is, whatever you and Mr Budden think it ought to be. I note that unlike you he doesn't dispute what the title is, and that we have yet to see any evidence that anyone but you believes the title is "Messa". I also note that you have not yet got round to correcting the errors you introduced into the article ("uncorrectly", lower-case initials for "quattro voci" which is incorrect in English), and would ask you for the sake of Wikipedia to do so as soon as possible. Meanwhile I am asking for arbitration from an administrator to get this sorted out. Flapdragon 16:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, but you've made both those points already and there is no dispute about them, namely that there are people who consider "Messa di Gloria" incorrect, and that Istituto is spelled Istituto. Well done on picking that up. What you can't show, because it's patently untrue, is that the work is usually called "Messa". I notice Girardi calls it "Messa a quattro voci" in the body of the article, and incidentally he refers to it elsewhere as the "Messa a quattro". Still, it's good that you are starting to actually quote some sources. You have failed to remove the misleading statement that it was "once entitled Messa di Gloria", implying no longer, when that is no less the case now than it ever was. On the point about capital letters, I'm afraid you're wrong. This article is in English and the convention in English is to capitalise such letters. Believe me, I know a great deal more about such matters than you clearly do. If you have a problem with writing according to English-language conventions perhaps you would be happier staying on the Italian Wikipedia, where I am sure your erudition has been a blessing. Think of all the useful work you could have done in the time you have wasted on this. I see Italian WP doesn't yet even have an article on the mass in question. Flapdragon 18:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm certainly no expert in the field, but wouldn't the proper title be whatever Puccini called it? Is there any indication in the historical records of what he titled the work?
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Al pereira asks (and I quote) "where damn you found that iit was begun in 1976?" Of course it was 1876 I wrote, not 1976, and that date comes from the programme notes of Claudio Scimone's recording with José Carreras (released 16/09/2002, Apex 0927486922). You will see the same information recycled at the website of the Brighton Orpheus Choir. Grove confirms the Credo was performed two years before the rest of the mass, which he had therefore been working on for while by 1880. Now Al, if you have any evidence to show that this is incorrect, I would ask you produce it, instead of making more and more hasty edits that you cannot or will not back up with reference to sources. Meanwhile I suggest you confine your editing to moments when you are in a suitably calm frame of mind. (Incidentally, there is no such English word as "uncorrectly". It might be a good idea to use a spell-checker while you edit.) Flapdragon 01:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
See Al's Talk page for more his vehement opinion on why this entry must be shown at Missa and not either of the usual titles, Messa di Gloria or Messa a Quattro Voci. Flapdragon 01:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You're right, I don't need help from someone who it seems has yet to grasp the basics of Wikipedia editing, such as providing sources and remaining civil. Once again, I urge you to read your welcome message, and edit in a calm frame of mind. And no, you keep mentioning Schickling's catalogue but you still have not provided the text of the citation you claim asserts that "Messa" is the usual name for this piece, something which is clearly untrue. You don't seem able to distinguish between that simple fact, and the opinion that the title is erroneous. That opinion may be valid, but the title is still what the title is, whatever you and Mr Budden think it ought to be. I note that unlike you he doesn't dispute what the title is, and that we have yet to see any evidence that anyone but you believes the title is "Messa". I also note that you have not yet got round to correcting the errors you introduced into the article ("uncorrectly", lower-case initials for "quattro voci" which is incorrect in English), and would ask you for the sake of Wikipedia to do so as soon as possible. Meanwhile I am asking for arbitration from an administrator to get this sorted out. Flapdragon 16:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, but you've made both those points already and there is no dispute about them, namely that there are people who consider "Messa di Gloria" incorrect, and that Istituto is spelled Istituto. Well done on picking that up. What you can't show, because it's patently untrue, is that the work is usually called "Messa". I notice Girardi calls it "Messa a quattro voci" in the body of the article, and incidentally he refers to it elsewhere as the "Messa a quattro". Still, it's good that you are starting to actually quote some sources. You have failed to remove the misleading statement that it was "once entitled Messa di Gloria", implying no longer, when that is no less the case now than it ever was. On the point about capital letters, I'm afraid you're wrong. This article is in English and the convention in English is to capitalise such letters. Believe me, I know a great deal more about such matters than you clearly do. If you have a problem with writing according to English-language conventions perhaps you would be happier staying on the Italian Wikipedia, where I am sure your erudition has been a blessing. Think of all the useful work you could have done in the time you have wasted on this. I see Italian WP doesn't yet even have an article on the mass in question. Flapdragon 18:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm certainly no expert in the field, but wouldn't the proper title be whatever Puccini called it? Is there any indication in the historical records of what he titled the work?
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