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Remove duplicate entry of Heirs of Alexandria - it's listed twiec in her bibliography |
Lackey's explanation over her abandoning the Diana Tregarde works and withdrawing from fandom are, to put it charitably, not universally accepted; they should be mentioned, but not reported as fact. Salsa Shark 07:35, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
She has been removed from panels at the nebula conference over inappropriate behavior on a panel. [1] 67.240.235.7 ( talk) 00:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
The section "Opposition" seems quite POV as curretly written. Sources sould be cited for opnions, or at least pro and con views should be given equal treatment. DES 28 June 2005 17:11 (UTC)
I have moved the content from the separate pages for By The Sword and Oathblood onto the main page, and converted those pages into redirects. Both pages were stubs. In the case of By The Sword I have expanded and corected the content a good deal, as well. DES 28 June 2005 21:21 (UTC)
This page has something like 70 book titles as links. Of those which are blue links rather than red, they are links to anything from Elizabeth Taylor Greenfield (ca. 1824–1876 ... the best-known black concert artist of her time) to disambiguation pages. Is there really an encyclopaedia article in every single one of Lackey's books, including compilations of her short stories? I can see that there is in the Arrows books, and possibly the Vanyel books. But in general, would it not be better to have articles on "SERRAted Edge (Mercedes Lackey)", "Bardic Voices (Mercedes Lackey)" and so on? And then all the information can be collected in one place for each, and book details all on the same pages? Now that the Oathblood info is on the main page, I shall try and demonstrate what I mean with the Vows and Honour series as an example. Telsa 17:21, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Zounds!! Typical that, after all this time, it would happen right after I updated the links in here. And thanks to a robots.txt file, archive.org doesn't even have them.
But ne'er fear, I've found another site that does still have them, and I'll be going through and revising the links accordingly. This one being a quasi-official Baen fan site and having a long history of hosting other high-popularity Baen files (collections of preview snippets for books not webscripting yet) I expect it will be more stable.
As to the question of whether they should be in an external links section...I've always looked at those sections as kind of appendices for linking to general reference type material. If there's going to be a link to something that's covered in detail, I feel the link should be from where the detail is, so that the prospective link-follower isn't inconvenienced by having to go all the way to the bottom to find it. (Indeed, how is he supposed to know such a link would be at the bottom; he hasn't gotten there yet.) -- Robotech_Master 19:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
As I was looking over this article I was thinking that maybe readers would like to know the publishing order of the Velgarth series and/or the Chronological order of the books. I would like to do that but I thought I'd bounce it off someone first. I know I personally like to know the chronological order of various large series (like Pern) so that I can have a good feel of where I am when I pick up a given book.
Also in the question of if the various series are moved to seperate articles and the name for the Queen's Own, Last Hearld Mage, Gryphons, Mage Winds, etc. I would hightly suggest calling it the Velgarth series since some of them have nothing to do with Valdemar.
They weren't published in the order that they take place in the Valdemar universe. I suggest we order them as Telsa suggested. I think By The Sword would be best between The Arrows and the Mage Winds trilogies. On the other hand, that might not be the most encyclopedic way of arranging them. Perhaps on this main Lackey page, it should be a more traditional bibliography, in strict publishing order, and without extraneous information, i.e. synopses and stuff. But copy all that stuff to the series page, in the order that the books take place in the fictional universe.
So the series page would look like the current section on Valdemar, but in Telsa's order, whereas this page would just have a list of books irrespective of series or trilogy, like
Crymerci ( talk) 19:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the second of the following paragraphs (I show both here for context):
Apart from the fact that the language used is simply not appropriate, we must have proper references if we are going to make allegations like this:
This is not the appropriate place for language-advocacy. HTH HAND — Phil | Talk 17:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Further to his trimming, I have now removed the remaining one of the two paragraphs User:Phil Boswell mentioned, because no-one ever clarified who the members of and sympathisers with these real-world cultures are. I can see little reason to retain the remaining comments at the moment. If no sources are forthcoming in a week or two, I shall remove both "Some disparage her books as being about 'talking horses', though her works depict a wide range of cultures and environments." and "Because of the prominence of female and homosexual characters in her high fantasy works, she has been criticized for writing "fluffy" fantasy novels which bear little or no resemblance to real or pseudo-real history". (Who are these some, and where did they say it? Who called her books fluffy? What is pseudo-real history? Did someone really say that her books bear little or no resemblance to pseudo-real history? And if so, what exactly did they mean?) -- Telsa (talk) 20:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I strongly agree. I would love to know just who those "some" are that disparage her work as being about talking horses. -- Robotech_Master 21:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
This whole thing is rather funny, since nearly all of Misty's works occur in a fictional universe. Hello? Anybody paying attention? -- JT 20:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know of (or can we create?) a detailed valdemar timeline. I get very confused trying to work out how old folk were at various events, and estimated DOBs for Kethry, Tarma, Kerowyn, Selenay, Elspeth along with dates for the Tedrel wars and the Ancar wars would be helpful. I can't find it on ML's website. -- SGBailey 23:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been a friend of Misty & Larry, lived on their property for a time, and wrote the title story, "Sword of Ice." The "story" about the child being killed is fact. I've spoken with their bodyguard at the time. He's still bothered by that he was the one who took the child to the father on the day that the murder happened, even though a judge ordered it.
Not quite so sure about the Con incident, but SOMETHING happened to keep them away from their adoring fans.:)
The studio fire is fact. That he (Larry) joined the volunteer fire department weeks later is a major stretch, though they did donate to that fire dept.
Timeline is available in several of the books, within the first few pages.
I'd call it Valdemar. That's what she and the publishers always called it, what it's known by.
I fixed the error about either of them being falconers... and if Larry practiced Aikido for more than three consecutive weeks, I'll chew glass... but I digress.;)
(I'll attest that I was in Aikido classes, weekly, with Larry for at least 12 months - Paul Fisher) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.139.18 ( talk) 12:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
And yes, I'm the Master (class) Falconer that she referred to in a book or two... so feel free to ask me about falconry, rehab and raptors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falc ( talk • contribs) 19:14, February 10, 2006.
Also further down that thread, where Lackey admits to writing fanfiction set in the world of City of Heroes. It does not seem as though her zero tolerance position on fanfic is true. Phil Sandifer 05:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Her favorite book that she has written is By the Sword, and her easiest to write was anything about Tarma and Kethry.
Lackey's 'dream cast' list for her best known books is as follows:
* Falconsbane: David Bowie * Firesong: Sting * Kerowyn: Cher * Lavan Firestorm: Haley Joel Osment * Tarma: Lucy Lawless * Vanyel: Johnny Depp
This part is in her biography, but it doesn't tell anything about her life--it tells about her personal opinions in a list.
There are also no citations in this article done properly... And is it me, or did someone delete the Creative Commons photo she released? I also think it's missing dates, relevant information, missing proper Biography format and has too much opinion on her fictional works, versus that of the author....-- Hitsuji Kinno 09:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just read 'Burning Water' and 'Children of the Night'. In Children of the Night, the character Andre is 'met', and Diana does a favor for the Rom (with the help of Andre and others). In 'Burning Water', both Andre and the nickname the Rom call her and the favor the Rom owes her are all referenced. So in terms of plot, 'Children of the Night' comes before 'Burning Water'. Now as far as why the publication dates don't reflect this, I have no idea.
--Thortok2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.107.33.122 ( talk) 23:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
70-80% of this article is about the novels Lackey has written. While these of are course important considering her profession...I almost wonder if we should create an entirely different "Works by Mercedes Lackey" page with a link under the third heading. Thoughts? -- Violine ( talk) 04:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I've just removed what appears to be a hoax. For a book that was supposedly released last year, google returns zero results outside of this page. Its unfathomable for an author of this status.-- Crossmr ( talk) 09:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is long to the point of being unwieldy and apparently does little more than chronicle information about books the author has written. So I'm going to make a bold step and start pulling chunks of this article for a bibliography/works by/whatever article for the author. I realize that there is a collections page - but that page is both out of date and not suited for an entire bibliography.
In this process I'll probably also be hitting a bunch of stuff that is unsourced and/or irrelevant (especially since there's been that note up since early 2009). Darquis ( talk) 02:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I just removed:
because there's nothing about this on this talk page. It appears that this was added to the article as part of a drive-by edit. Seanr451 ( talk) 17:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC) I also removed this box:
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for two reasons. One, because there are several reliable links and sources listed on the page. Secondly, in reference to the problem with some 'fans', that all happened prior to the internet really being public. So none of that information is available on the internet. And anything that is out there is going to come from the mouths of the involved people anyway. So unless someone physically goes to the actual police station involved in this incident, gets copies of the police reports, scans the documents, uploads them, and then links them to this page, that information just isn't ever going to be available from a reliable third party source. As usual, anyone who disagrees with my assessment of the situation is free to place those boxes back on the page. Seanr451 ( talk) 17:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
http://www.nanowrimo.org/node/3853430
I thought that was worth citing for position on fan fiction.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 23:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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'Lackey was born in Chicago, an event that prevented her father from being called to serve in the Korean War.[2]'
Could someone clarify? This isn't covered in the link.
I assume it was her birth that prevented her father being called to fight, not her being born in Chicago. I've never heard of that being regarded as an inherently burdensome circumstance.
Regards to all Notreallydavid ( talk) 16:09, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
The link doesn't mention Korean War at all, it needs a different citation. 92.52.246.23 ( talk) 07:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Um. Parrots aren't raptors? Someone familiar with the sources needs to rearrange this bird stuff. Thmazing ( talk) 19:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I see "She met C. J. Cherryh through filk, and she mentored her during the writing of her 'Arrows' series" in the Professional Sales section, but it's not clear who mentored who. Crimchyet ( talk) 20:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
[3] I have no idea whether this is reliable, sensationalized, dead puppy propaganda, or what. I came across it by accident. Quick web search shows the basic claims are true, but I didn't check details. 2601:644:8501:4500:0:0:0:8F37 ( talk) 07:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Remove duplicate entry of Heirs of Alexandria - it's listed twiec in her bibliography |
Lackey's explanation over her abandoning the Diana Tregarde works and withdrawing from fandom are, to put it charitably, not universally accepted; they should be mentioned, but not reported as fact. Salsa Shark 07:35, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)
She has been removed from panels at the nebula conference over inappropriate behavior on a panel. [1] 67.240.235.7 ( talk) 00:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
The section "Opposition" seems quite POV as curretly written. Sources sould be cited for opnions, or at least pro and con views should be given equal treatment. DES 28 June 2005 17:11 (UTC)
I have moved the content from the separate pages for By The Sword and Oathblood onto the main page, and converted those pages into redirects. Both pages were stubs. In the case of By The Sword I have expanded and corected the content a good deal, as well. DES 28 June 2005 21:21 (UTC)
This page has something like 70 book titles as links. Of those which are blue links rather than red, they are links to anything from Elizabeth Taylor Greenfield (ca. 1824–1876 ... the best-known black concert artist of her time) to disambiguation pages. Is there really an encyclopaedia article in every single one of Lackey's books, including compilations of her short stories? I can see that there is in the Arrows books, and possibly the Vanyel books. But in general, would it not be better to have articles on "SERRAted Edge (Mercedes Lackey)", "Bardic Voices (Mercedes Lackey)" and so on? And then all the information can be collected in one place for each, and book details all on the same pages? Now that the Oathblood info is on the main page, I shall try and demonstrate what I mean with the Vows and Honour series as an example. Telsa 17:21, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
Zounds!! Typical that, after all this time, it would happen right after I updated the links in here. And thanks to a robots.txt file, archive.org doesn't even have them.
But ne'er fear, I've found another site that does still have them, and I'll be going through and revising the links accordingly. This one being a quasi-official Baen fan site and having a long history of hosting other high-popularity Baen files (collections of preview snippets for books not webscripting yet) I expect it will be more stable.
As to the question of whether they should be in an external links section...I've always looked at those sections as kind of appendices for linking to general reference type material. If there's going to be a link to something that's covered in detail, I feel the link should be from where the detail is, so that the prospective link-follower isn't inconvenienced by having to go all the way to the bottom to find it. (Indeed, how is he supposed to know such a link would be at the bottom; he hasn't gotten there yet.) -- Robotech_Master 19:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
As I was looking over this article I was thinking that maybe readers would like to know the publishing order of the Velgarth series and/or the Chronological order of the books. I would like to do that but I thought I'd bounce it off someone first. I know I personally like to know the chronological order of various large series (like Pern) so that I can have a good feel of where I am when I pick up a given book.
Also in the question of if the various series are moved to seperate articles and the name for the Queen's Own, Last Hearld Mage, Gryphons, Mage Winds, etc. I would hightly suggest calling it the Velgarth series since some of them have nothing to do with Valdemar.
They weren't published in the order that they take place in the Valdemar universe. I suggest we order them as Telsa suggested. I think By The Sword would be best between The Arrows and the Mage Winds trilogies. On the other hand, that might not be the most encyclopedic way of arranging them. Perhaps on this main Lackey page, it should be a more traditional bibliography, in strict publishing order, and without extraneous information, i.e. synopses and stuff. But copy all that stuff to the series page, in the order that the books take place in the fictional universe.
So the series page would look like the current section on Valdemar, but in Telsa's order, whereas this page would just have a list of books irrespective of series or trilogy, like
Crymerci ( talk) 19:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the second of the following paragraphs (I show both here for context):
Apart from the fact that the language used is simply not appropriate, we must have proper references if we are going to make allegations like this:
This is not the appropriate place for language-advocacy. HTH HAND — Phil | Talk 17:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Further to his trimming, I have now removed the remaining one of the two paragraphs User:Phil Boswell mentioned, because no-one ever clarified who the members of and sympathisers with these real-world cultures are. I can see little reason to retain the remaining comments at the moment. If no sources are forthcoming in a week or two, I shall remove both "Some disparage her books as being about 'talking horses', though her works depict a wide range of cultures and environments." and "Because of the prominence of female and homosexual characters in her high fantasy works, she has been criticized for writing "fluffy" fantasy novels which bear little or no resemblance to real or pseudo-real history". (Who are these some, and where did they say it? Who called her books fluffy? What is pseudo-real history? Did someone really say that her books bear little or no resemblance to pseudo-real history? And if so, what exactly did they mean?) -- Telsa (talk) 20:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I strongly agree. I would love to know just who those "some" are that disparage her work as being about talking horses. -- Robotech_Master 21:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
This whole thing is rather funny, since nearly all of Misty's works occur in a fictional universe. Hello? Anybody paying attention? -- JT 20:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know of (or can we create?) a detailed valdemar timeline. I get very confused trying to work out how old folk were at various events, and estimated DOBs for Kethry, Tarma, Kerowyn, Selenay, Elspeth along with dates for the Tedrel wars and the Ancar wars would be helpful. I can't find it on ML's website. -- SGBailey 23:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been a friend of Misty & Larry, lived on their property for a time, and wrote the title story, "Sword of Ice." The "story" about the child being killed is fact. I've spoken with their bodyguard at the time. He's still bothered by that he was the one who took the child to the father on the day that the murder happened, even though a judge ordered it.
Not quite so sure about the Con incident, but SOMETHING happened to keep them away from their adoring fans.:)
The studio fire is fact. That he (Larry) joined the volunteer fire department weeks later is a major stretch, though they did donate to that fire dept.
Timeline is available in several of the books, within the first few pages.
I'd call it Valdemar. That's what she and the publishers always called it, what it's known by.
I fixed the error about either of them being falconers... and if Larry practiced Aikido for more than three consecutive weeks, I'll chew glass... but I digress.;)
(I'll attest that I was in Aikido classes, weekly, with Larry for at least 12 months - Paul Fisher) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.139.18 ( talk) 12:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
And yes, I'm the Master (class) Falconer that she referred to in a book or two... so feel free to ask me about falconry, rehab and raptors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falc ( talk • contribs) 19:14, February 10, 2006.
Also further down that thread, where Lackey admits to writing fanfiction set in the world of City of Heroes. It does not seem as though her zero tolerance position on fanfic is true. Phil Sandifer 05:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Her favorite book that she has written is By the Sword, and her easiest to write was anything about Tarma and Kethry.
Lackey's 'dream cast' list for her best known books is as follows:
* Falconsbane: David Bowie * Firesong: Sting * Kerowyn: Cher * Lavan Firestorm: Haley Joel Osment * Tarma: Lucy Lawless * Vanyel: Johnny Depp
This part is in her biography, but it doesn't tell anything about her life--it tells about her personal opinions in a list.
There are also no citations in this article done properly... And is it me, or did someone delete the Creative Commons photo she released? I also think it's missing dates, relevant information, missing proper Biography format and has too much opinion on her fictional works, versus that of the author....-- Hitsuji Kinno 09:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I have just read 'Burning Water' and 'Children of the Night'. In Children of the Night, the character Andre is 'met', and Diana does a favor for the Rom (with the help of Andre and others). In 'Burning Water', both Andre and the nickname the Rom call her and the favor the Rom owes her are all referenced. So in terms of plot, 'Children of the Night' comes before 'Burning Water'. Now as far as why the publication dates don't reflect this, I have no idea.
--Thortok2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.107.33.122 ( talk) 23:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
70-80% of this article is about the novels Lackey has written. While these of are course important considering her profession...I almost wonder if we should create an entirely different "Works by Mercedes Lackey" page with a link under the third heading. Thoughts? -- Violine ( talk) 04:09, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I've just removed what appears to be a hoax. For a book that was supposedly released last year, google returns zero results outside of this page. Its unfathomable for an author of this status.-- Crossmr ( talk) 09:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is long to the point of being unwieldy and apparently does little more than chronicle information about books the author has written. So I'm going to make a bold step and start pulling chunks of this article for a bibliography/works by/whatever article for the author. I realize that there is a collections page - but that page is both out of date and not suited for an entire bibliography.
In this process I'll probably also be hitting a bunch of stuff that is unsourced and/or irrelevant (especially since there's been that note up since early 2009). Darquis ( talk) 02:25, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I just removed:
because there's nothing about this on this talk page. It appears that this was added to the article as part of a drive-by edit. Seanr451 ( talk) 17:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC) I also removed this box:
![]() |
for two reasons. One, because there are several reliable links and sources listed on the page. Secondly, in reference to the problem with some 'fans', that all happened prior to the internet really being public. So none of that information is available on the internet. And anything that is out there is going to come from the mouths of the involved people anyway. So unless someone physically goes to the actual police station involved in this incident, gets copies of the police reports, scans the documents, uploads them, and then links them to this page, that information just isn't ever going to be available from a reliable third party source. As usual, anyone who disagrees with my assessment of the situation is free to place those boxes back on the page. Seanr451 ( talk) 17:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
http://www.nanowrimo.org/node/3853430
I thought that was worth citing for position on fan fiction.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 23:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
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'Lackey was born in Chicago, an event that prevented her father from being called to serve in the Korean War.[2]'
Could someone clarify? This isn't covered in the link.
I assume it was her birth that prevented her father being called to fight, not her being born in Chicago. I've never heard of that being regarded as an inherently burdensome circumstance.
Regards to all Notreallydavid ( talk) 16:09, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
The link doesn't mention Korean War at all, it needs a different citation. 92.52.246.23 ( talk) 07:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Um. Parrots aren't raptors? Someone familiar with the sources needs to rearrange this bird stuff. Thmazing ( talk) 19:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I see "She met C. J. Cherryh through filk, and she mentored her during the writing of her 'Arrows' series" in the Professional Sales section, but it's not clear who mentored who. Crimchyet ( talk) 20:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
[3] I have no idea whether this is reliable, sensationalized, dead puppy propaganda, or what. I came across it by accident. Quick web search shows the basic claims are true, but I didn't check details. 2601:644:8501:4500:0:0:0:8F37 ( talk) 07:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)