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Created by Bruxton ( talk). Self-nominated at 02:40, 11 February 2022 (UTC).
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Reviewer: Golden ( talk · contribs) 23:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I had to fail this nomination because the article was "a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria", especially criteria 1 and 3. However, I think this article has potential to reach GA status in the future, with some more work. Please don't lose heart! I enjoyed reading this article and learning about this fascinating sculpture and its history. I had already completed most of the review before I made my decision, so I'll leave those suggestions for you in case you want to renominate this article.
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"double sculpture"(why is it in quotes?), so it would be useful to give a short description of it. Maybe something like
Mephistopheles and Margaretta is a 19th-century wooden double sculpture, featuring two images carved on opposite sides, that portrays two characters from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's 1808 play Faust.
A mirror placed behind the sculpture allows both sides to be seen simultaneously.- If we explain what a double sculpture is in the first sentence, this sentence would be redundant.
Faust is frustrated with his life and attempts suicide. He calls for Satan's help- Clarify whether he called for help during or after his attempted suicide.
and as one of his requests for magic- Do you mean wishes when you mention requests for magic? Could you briefly give information about these wishes before Faust makes one, so the reader isn't caught off guard?
his bastard son.- Why was he considered a "bastard"?
Gretchen realizes the evil in the situation- Could you clarify the meaning of this sentence? Did Gretchen realise that Faust made a deal with the Devil or that his son was a "bastard"? In any case,
situationmay not be the most appropriate word to use here.
Gretchen realizes the evil in the situation and drowns the child, and is held in jail on the charge of murder. Gretchen is hanged but is allowed to go to heaven- This is optional, but to avoid two consecutive "and"s and two consecutive sentences starting with "Gretchen", this sentence could be rewritten for better flow: "Upon realizing the evil in the situation, Gretchen drowns her child and is subsequently imprisoned on charges of murder. She is ultimately hanged, but is granted entry into heaven."
on his long face.- What is a
long face?
The reverse is of Gretchen with-> "On the reverse side, Gretchen is depicted with"
simple girl- What is this supposed to mean?
one single block-> "a single block"
and the base material is sycamore wood.- Repetition
the dimensions of the statue is 177.2 cm- 177.2cm what? Length or width? Both should be indicated. Also, it should be "the dimensions of the statue are".
it has been presumably been created-> "it was presumably created"
The sculpture represents the thin line that exists between the binary between good and evil as represented by Margaretta and Mephistopheles, respectively. The male image stands proud in a hooded cloak, heeled boots and has a long, gaunt face with a cynical smile, while Margaretta is shown as a shy, simple girl with a prayer book in her hand, and downcast eyes, lost in love.- This entire paragraph repeats information that was already mentioned in almost the same words in previous paragraphs.
perhaps remains one of the most photographed images of the museum- Before mentioning this, the reader should be informed of the statue's location.
The museum is one of the most visited in the country, and claims one million visitors annually.- Irrelevant.
superb- Remove per MOS:PEACOCK.
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Mephistopheles and Margaretta was nominated as a Art and architecture good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (July 17, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
A fact from Mephistopheles and Margaretta appeared on Wikipedia's
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The result was: promoted by
SL93 (
talk) 01:29, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Created by Bruxton ( talk). Self-nominated at 02:40, 11 February 2022 (UTC).
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Golden ( talk · contribs) 23:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I had to fail this nomination because the article was "a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria", especially criteria 1 and 3. However, I think this article has potential to reach GA status in the future, with some more work. Please don't lose heart! I enjoyed reading this article and learning about this fascinating sculpture and its history. I had already completed most of the review before I made my decision, so I'll leave those suggestions for you in case you want to renominate this article.
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not) |
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Overall: |
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"double sculpture"(why is it in quotes?), so it would be useful to give a short description of it. Maybe something like
Mephistopheles and Margaretta is a 19th-century wooden double sculpture, featuring two images carved on opposite sides, that portrays two characters from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's 1808 play Faust.
A mirror placed behind the sculpture allows both sides to be seen simultaneously.- If we explain what a double sculpture is in the first sentence, this sentence would be redundant.
Faust is frustrated with his life and attempts suicide. He calls for Satan's help- Clarify whether he called for help during or after his attempted suicide.
and as one of his requests for magic- Do you mean wishes when you mention requests for magic? Could you briefly give information about these wishes before Faust makes one, so the reader isn't caught off guard?
his bastard son.- Why was he considered a "bastard"?
Gretchen realizes the evil in the situation- Could you clarify the meaning of this sentence? Did Gretchen realise that Faust made a deal with the Devil or that his son was a "bastard"? In any case,
situationmay not be the most appropriate word to use here.
Gretchen realizes the evil in the situation and drowns the child, and is held in jail on the charge of murder. Gretchen is hanged but is allowed to go to heaven- This is optional, but to avoid two consecutive "and"s and two consecutive sentences starting with "Gretchen", this sentence could be rewritten for better flow: "Upon realizing the evil in the situation, Gretchen drowns her child and is subsequently imprisoned on charges of murder. She is ultimately hanged, but is granted entry into heaven."
on his long face.- What is a
long face?
The reverse is of Gretchen with-> "On the reverse side, Gretchen is depicted with"
simple girl- What is this supposed to mean?
one single block-> "a single block"
and the base material is sycamore wood.- Repetition
the dimensions of the statue is 177.2 cm- 177.2cm what? Length or width? Both should be indicated. Also, it should be "the dimensions of the statue are".
it has been presumably been created-> "it was presumably created"
The sculpture represents the thin line that exists between the binary between good and evil as represented by Margaretta and Mephistopheles, respectively. The male image stands proud in a hooded cloak, heeled boots and has a long, gaunt face with a cynical smile, while Margaretta is shown as a shy, simple girl with a prayer book in her hand, and downcast eyes, lost in love.- This entire paragraph repeats information that was already mentioned in almost the same words in previous paragraphs.
perhaps remains one of the most photographed images of the museum- Before mentioning this, the reader should be informed of the statue's location.
The museum is one of the most visited in the country, and claims one million visitors annually.- Irrelevant.
superb- Remove per MOS:PEACOCK.