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Here's the links that are at the heart of this edit war:
You're pushing us into edit war territory here with your continued efforts to post that link to the Mentat Wiki. If you don't engage us on this talk page to discuss it, I'll report this page as an edit war and ask for a lock until you go away. JJ 20:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I've removed these again. The mentat wiki itself is inappropriate since it has nothing more in common with Herbert's mentats than the term itself; the second link is nothing but a blog post linking to the first.
The first link is arguable, and if you disagree, please comment below. I'm not dead-set against it, I just think it really doesn't belong. However, the second link is just an indirect repeat of the first, and definitely has no place in this article. JJ 06:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I've posted a message on the talk page of the owner of the wiki, asking him to engage us here and make a case for including the link if he's the one continually adding it. JJ 19:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
According to this Ask MetaFilter thread, the phrase "the naive mind" (which appears in quotation marks in this article) does not appear anywhere in the Dune series. Is there any reference for this phrase?
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Dune explicitly states that Mentats use sappho for this purpose (although not that it is a necessity for them), and that the red-stained lips caused by the substance are a trademark distinction of the class. See the entry for sappho in the glossary.
There is no copyrighted material present therefore reversion based on this premise is mistaken. (208.61.134.121)
reference is directed torwards Jpgordon "(rv copyvio additions)" as stated in reversion notes
I removed the above link from the page because a cursory examination shows them to be a bunch of loons, and I understand Wikipedia not to be a place for proselytizing. Please check the link, and if you don't agree, replace it. User:Justin Johnson Dec. 6, 2003
Once again the Vulcan-Mentats are trying to use this page to advertise their transhumanism Yahoo group. While their list does appear more active, with slightly more members, I still think it's inappropriate since the link is nothing more than a billboard for a group with the word 'mentat' in their name. Please take a look and either disagree or concur with my edit, since this is a potential edit war. JJ 28 June 2005 13:26 (UTC)
You are taking the concept to literally and have not actually been to the page in question .
The Vulcan Mentat Society is an organization with the charter to emulate aspects of the science fiction archetypes inherent in the Star Trek fictional race known as Vulcans and the Frank Herbert's Dune characters known as mentats.
Vulcan Mentat Society
We are going to enact the advanced philosophies of Vulcan and Mentat culture.Let us make a modern day equivalent to these intellectually based societies.Let us create a culture capable of intellectual "kung fu".The practices would exercise the mind making it capable of mental feats.Topics to include intelligence ,knowledge acquisiton,making a vulcan mentat society possible,recognition of vulcan/mentat buddhas*
I believe these and others like them are deserving of our awe,respect,and emulation.
-Vulcans are a race of humanoids in the Star Trek universe commited to mental development and feats of logic.
-Mentats are "Human Computers" with abilities to compute and analyse vast amounts of information.They lead a life of intellectual development.Taken from Frank Herberts Dune novel series.
- "maru" , "Bucky" is used on many buckminster fuller sites including http://www.bfi.org/domes/ " THE CONCEPTS BEHIND THE DOME
One of the ways Buckminster Fuller ("Bucky") would describe the differences in strength between a rectangle and a triangle would be to apply pressure to both structures. " and on www.newciv.org/whole/bucky.html . You'r assertion "the bizarre misspelling from the forum" is therefore false.I expected that if someone wanted to look for him they would use other combinations as well ex. "Bucky fuller" returns 2,160,000 hits. --Anon
--I stand corrected I thought you were referrring to "bucky" ,when you were reffering to Fulminster which is indeed incorrect. -anon
I'm flagging this page as vandalized because 1) you're the person who keeps spamming a link to your discussion group on Yahoo, and 2) an article about the mentats from Frank Herbert's Dune universe should be written from the perspective of surveying the fictional literary sources, not from the perspective of someone who thinks they're a mentat.
If you want to rewrite it, bringing in all the material you've collected from the prequel novels, fine--rewrite it, while remembering that you're not a mentat. The purpose of the article is to be an encyclopaedic reference to a part of a work of fiction, not as your recruiting tool. JJ 28 June 2005 17:07 (UTC)
I was just wondering why this article isn't nearly as well polished as the article on the Bene Gesserit. Anybody else think it could do with a reformat?
I think that information on Mentats provided by Brian Herberts novels should be spearated. His ideas are not necessarily considered Dune canon.
The new additions form the Encycopedia are mixed in with those from the prequils which makes the article confusing. Notes should be made to distinguish the different sources.
Is this wholesale plagiarism? What parts? Please support what parts before replacing with a degenerate version of the article.
The sections I deleted which discussing Mentat ranks and history was ripped out of the Dune Encyclopedia. It was wholesale plargiarism, almost word for word from the main source. -- Eldarone 03:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
As I see it there are 2 ways of writing the article. The first is to treat it chronologically in terms of the writing. Start by giving the definition from Frank Herbert's perspective, then expand upon it from the dune encyclopedia and then retcon those parts which are required from the B&K novels as it should be done. The second approach would be to write a single article using the latest information with possible spin-offs or a section detailing what retcons happened. Enigmatical 00:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
My recollection of the original series may be from a few years ago but I cannot ever remember Paul Atredies being in any way described or associated as being a Mentat. Does anyone have any facts to back this up? Enigmatical 04:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
There's also more passages in Dune Messiah in which it is stated that Paul is a mentat. Dionyseus 06:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
this article needs images of the mentats from the movie serials (or at least one)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Here's the links that are at the heart of this edit war:
You're pushing us into edit war territory here with your continued efforts to post that link to the Mentat Wiki. If you don't engage us on this talk page to discuss it, I'll report this page as an edit war and ask for a lock until you go away. JJ 20:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I've removed these again. The mentat wiki itself is inappropriate since it has nothing more in common with Herbert's mentats than the term itself; the second link is nothing but a blog post linking to the first.
The first link is arguable, and if you disagree, please comment below. I'm not dead-set against it, I just think it really doesn't belong. However, the second link is just an indirect repeat of the first, and definitely has no place in this article. JJ 06:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I've posted a message on the talk page of the owner of the wiki, asking him to engage us here and make a case for including the link if he's the one continually adding it. JJ 19:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
According to this Ask MetaFilter thread, the phrase "the naive mind" (which appears in quotation marks in this article) does not appear anywhere in the Dune series. Is there any reference for this phrase?
Deleted:
Dune explicitly states that Mentats use sappho for this purpose (although not that it is a necessity for them), and that the red-stained lips caused by the substance are a trademark distinction of the class. See the entry for sappho in the glossary.
There is no copyrighted material present therefore reversion based on this premise is mistaken. (208.61.134.121)
reference is directed torwards Jpgordon "(rv copyvio additions)" as stated in reversion notes
I removed the above link from the page because a cursory examination shows them to be a bunch of loons, and I understand Wikipedia not to be a place for proselytizing. Please check the link, and if you don't agree, replace it. User:Justin Johnson Dec. 6, 2003
Once again the Vulcan-Mentats are trying to use this page to advertise their transhumanism Yahoo group. While their list does appear more active, with slightly more members, I still think it's inappropriate since the link is nothing more than a billboard for a group with the word 'mentat' in their name. Please take a look and either disagree or concur with my edit, since this is a potential edit war. JJ 28 June 2005 13:26 (UTC)
You are taking the concept to literally and have not actually been to the page in question .
The Vulcan Mentat Society is an organization with the charter to emulate aspects of the science fiction archetypes inherent in the Star Trek fictional race known as Vulcans and the Frank Herbert's Dune characters known as mentats.
Vulcan Mentat Society
We are going to enact the advanced philosophies of Vulcan and Mentat culture.Let us make a modern day equivalent to these intellectually based societies.Let us create a culture capable of intellectual "kung fu".The practices would exercise the mind making it capable of mental feats.Topics to include intelligence ,knowledge acquisiton,making a vulcan mentat society possible,recognition of vulcan/mentat buddhas*
I believe these and others like them are deserving of our awe,respect,and emulation.
-Vulcans are a race of humanoids in the Star Trek universe commited to mental development and feats of logic.
-Mentats are "Human Computers" with abilities to compute and analyse vast amounts of information.They lead a life of intellectual development.Taken from Frank Herberts Dune novel series.
- "maru" , "Bucky" is used on many buckminster fuller sites including http://www.bfi.org/domes/ " THE CONCEPTS BEHIND THE DOME
One of the ways Buckminster Fuller ("Bucky") would describe the differences in strength between a rectangle and a triangle would be to apply pressure to both structures. " and on www.newciv.org/whole/bucky.html . You'r assertion "the bizarre misspelling from the forum" is therefore false.I expected that if someone wanted to look for him they would use other combinations as well ex. "Bucky fuller" returns 2,160,000 hits. --Anon
--I stand corrected I thought you were referrring to "bucky" ,when you were reffering to Fulminster which is indeed incorrect. -anon
I'm flagging this page as vandalized because 1) you're the person who keeps spamming a link to your discussion group on Yahoo, and 2) an article about the mentats from Frank Herbert's Dune universe should be written from the perspective of surveying the fictional literary sources, not from the perspective of someone who thinks they're a mentat.
If you want to rewrite it, bringing in all the material you've collected from the prequel novels, fine--rewrite it, while remembering that you're not a mentat. The purpose of the article is to be an encyclopaedic reference to a part of a work of fiction, not as your recruiting tool. JJ 28 June 2005 17:07 (UTC)
I was just wondering why this article isn't nearly as well polished as the article on the Bene Gesserit. Anybody else think it could do with a reformat?
I think that information on Mentats provided by Brian Herberts novels should be spearated. His ideas are not necessarily considered Dune canon.
The new additions form the Encycopedia are mixed in with those from the prequils which makes the article confusing. Notes should be made to distinguish the different sources.
Is this wholesale plagiarism? What parts? Please support what parts before replacing with a degenerate version of the article.
The sections I deleted which discussing Mentat ranks and history was ripped out of the Dune Encyclopedia. It was wholesale plargiarism, almost word for word from the main source. -- Eldarone 03:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
As I see it there are 2 ways of writing the article. The first is to treat it chronologically in terms of the writing. Start by giving the definition from Frank Herbert's perspective, then expand upon it from the dune encyclopedia and then retcon those parts which are required from the B&K novels as it should be done. The second approach would be to write a single article using the latest information with possible spin-offs or a section detailing what retcons happened. Enigmatical 00:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
My recollection of the original series may be from a few years ago but I cannot ever remember Paul Atredies being in any way described or associated as being a Mentat. Does anyone have any facts to back this up? Enigmatical 04:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
There's also more passages in Dune Messiah in which it is stated that Paul is a mentat. Dionyseus 06:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
this article needs images of the mentats from the movie serials (or at least one)