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I have removed this: "It is clear from the video recording, which Arquette promptly confirms, that Stripe was drugged or under some controlling influence, hence why Stripe does not recall the event." Not at all, he gives it as much thought as anyone agreeing to the terms and conditions on their iPhone. He says "that's like a whole essay" as he doesn't bother to read it and digitally signs it with a thumbprint and says "that's dope!". He is told that the signing will be erased from his memory. The point of the episode is that we do not have to be coerced into agreeing, just ignorant of our own ignorance. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 19:49, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
It was stated in the plot section that soldiers are exterminating mutated humans in Denmark, a woman was mentioned to be Danish, and the category "Denmark in fiction" was added to the article. Is there any reliable source that states that the episode is set in Denmark? While taking a look in the
script of the episode i was not able to find any mention to the country, besides the fact that some characters were speaking Danish.
This site also confirms that some characters are speaking Danish, and states that it is transpired that "the nondescript barren landscape is Denmark", which is not decisive evidence. In the article for the
Danish language we read that the language is spoken principally in Denmark and in the region of Southern Schleswig in northern Germany, where it has minority language status. Also, minor Danish-speaking communities are found in Norway, Sweden, Spain, the United States, Canada, Brazil, and Argentina. Due to immigration and language shift in urban areas, around 15–20% of the population of Greenland speak Danish as their home language.
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Radiphus 22:21, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
what does mass STAND FOR?!
i've googled all over the place -- wiki, fan sites, reddit -- and just can't find it. "Mental Activity Supplemental Stimulus" or somesuch?
can't believe it's so hard to find! 198.147.225.22 ( talk) 06:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
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Reviewer: The Rambling Man ( talk · contribs) 16:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
This is in very good nick, some comments:
For research, Brooker also read Dave Grossman's book On Killing, which is about the psychology of killing and based on Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall's work.— Bilorv ( talk) 20:55, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Back momentarily. The Rambling Man ( REJOICE!) 12:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
That's all I have for now, so I'll put it on hold for a bit while we negotiate our way through them. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( REJOICE!) 12:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
(Incidentally, the two sections in the talk page above are quite interesting, anything useful from those comments you could incorporate? The Rambling Man ( REJOICE!) 13:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC))
Is the Nazi flag really necessary? The story might have some reference to their ideology (about the so called "subhumans"), but it's not about Nazis. So the flag is just a redundant symbol in the article. We can all understand the references without the symbol being prominently placed before us.-- 2003:EE:3F39:5832:F52B:1B00:A196:3E51 ( talk) 14:50, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
because one guy has serious ownership issues— Yet again you seem not to have noticed that you're conversing with two users here, but I'm more concerned by the personal attack against me. I haven't edit warred to include the image and I've taken part in discussion, said I'm open to changing my mind etc. Now you can't provide a policy-based reason or even a substantive non-policy based reason why you don't like something and instead want your opinion to be taken to be more important than my opinion for no other reason than that you hold it. The article is clearly related to Nazism and if you don't see how then try reading the five sources cited in that paragraph. Personally, had I written a review, I wouldn't have compared the episode to Nazism. I don't believe the two are strongly related—I would have said any number of genocides from history are equally comparable. But my personal opinion doesn't matter; critics say they are related so they are. If I'm honest, I think the real issue with Wikipedia is that we've spent 2000 words discussing one paragraph of one article out of 25 or so articles related to Black Mirror, when that time could have been spent improving the rest. Oh well. I don't have "ownership issues"; I'm simply the only one who was willing to put in the effort to improve Men Against Fire. If you want to take it to FA standard, I've got some notes on that: you'll want to tighten the prose in the Reception and Plot sections and see if there are any more good sources for Production and then expand that section and shuffle its content around so it flows better and make sure all the paragraphs have topic sentences, then relabel the subsections. You're welcome to make any edits to the article that you want and I'll only revert them if they worsen its quality. Or of course, you could use one of the GA-standard episode articles as a model to expand one of the non-GA articles; I've already added the Inside Black Mirror Production details to episodes up to USS Callister, so all the remaining sources you need are freely available online. — Bilorv ( talk) 08:04, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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'Casting and filming' section should incl. the Silverstone Formula 1 race track pit lane and garage. The 'unused army barracks' might be a mistake. Can someone update, add a citation if needed... then delete this talk entry. Thanks. Jim
1min 57 sec into episode shows the Silverstone pit lane and garage exterior 2min 6 sec in shows a view from inside a garage, across the pit lane, and the pit wall w/ stairs . The link below shows the same pit wall w/stairs and should be adequate proof.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0704269,-1.0202112,3a,45y,256.95h,89.05t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipN8Zjyiyo2v_zgCNMk6yMq3j768C8lCttwoajfj!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipN8Zjyiyo2v_zgCNMk6yMq3j768C8lCttwoajfj%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya92.331505-ro-0-fo100!7i5760!8i2880?hl=en — Preceding unsigned comment added by V-100Commando ( talk • contribs) 06:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
also - south end on the pits (can be seen at 19min, 42 sec) https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0678997,-1.0222312,48m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en — Preceding unsigned comment added by V-100Commando ( talk • contribs) 07:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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Current status: Good article |
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I have removed this: "It is clear from the video recording, which Arquette promptly confirms, that Stripe was drugged or under some controlling influence, hence why Stripe does not recall the event." Not at all, he gives it as much thought as anyone agreeing to the terms and conditions on their iPhone. He says "that's like a whole essay" as he doesn't bother to read it and digitally signs it with a thumbprint and says "that's dope!". He is told that the signing will be erased from his memory. The point of the episode is that we do not have to be coerced into agreeing, just ignorant of our own ignorance. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 19:49, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
It was stated in the plot section that soldiers are exterminating mutated humans in Denmark, a woman was mentioned to be Danish, and the category "Denmark in fiction" was added to the article. Is there any reliable source that states that the episode is set in Denmark? While taking a look in the
script of the episode i was not able to find any mention to the country, besides the fact that some characters were speaking Danish.
This site also confirms that some characters are speaking Danish, and states that it is transpired that "the nondescript barren landscape is Denmark", which is not decisive evidence. In the article for the
Danish language we read that the language is spoken principally in Denmark and in the region of Southern Schleswig in northern Germany, where it has minority language status. Also, minor Danish-speaking communities are found in Norway, Sweden, Spain, the United States, Canada, Brazil, and Argentina. Due to immigration and language shift in urban areas, around 15–20% of the population of Greenland speak Danish as their home language.
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Radiphus 22:21, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
what does mass STAND FOR?!
i've googled all over the place -- wiki, fan sites, reddit -- and just can't find it. "Mental Activity Supplemental Stimulus" or somesuch?
can't believe it's so hard to find! 198.147.225.22 ( talk) 06:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
GA toolbox |
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Reviewing |
Reviewer: The Rambling Man ( talk · contribs) 16:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
This is in very good nick, some comments:
For research, Brooker also read Dave Grossman's book On Killing, which is about the psychology of killing and based on Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall's work.— Bilorv ( talk) 20:55, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Back momentarily. The Rambling Man ( REJOICE!) 12:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
That's all I have for now, so I'll put it on hold for a bit while we negotiate our way through them. Cheers. The Rambling Man ( REJOICE!) 12:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
(Incidentally, the two sections in the talk page above are quite interesting, anything useful from those comments you could incorporate? The Rambling Man ( REJOICE!) 13:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC))
Is the Nazi flag really necessary? The story might have some reference to their ideology (about the so called "subhumans"), but it's not about Nazis. So the flag is just a redundant symbol in the article. We can all understand the references without the symbol being prominently placed before us.-- 2003:EE:3F39:5832:F52B:1B00:A196:3E51 ( talk) 14:50, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
because one guy has serious ownership issues— Yet again you seem not to have noticed that you're conversing with two users here, but I'm more concerned by the personal attack against me. I haven't edit warred to include the image and I've taken part in discussion, said I'm open to changing my mind etc. Now you can't provide a policy-based reason or even a substantive non-policy based reason why you don't like something and instead want your opinion to be taken to be more important than my opinion for no other reason than that you hold it. The article is clearly related to Nazism and if you don't see how then try reading the five sources cited in that paragraph. Personally, had I written a review, I wouldn't have compared the episode to Nazism. I don't believe the two are strongly related—I would have said any number of genocides from history are equally comparable. But my personal opinion doesn't matter; critics say they are related so they are. If I'm honest, I think the real issue with Wikipedia is that we've spent 2000 words discussing one paragraph of one article out of 25 or so articles related to Black Mirror, when that time could have been spent improving the rest. Oh well. I don't have "ownership issues"; I'm simply the only one who was willing to put in the effort to improve Men Against Fire. If you want to take it to FA standard, I've got some notes on that: you'll want to tighten the prose in the Reception and Plot sections and see if there are any more good sources for Production and then expand that section and shuffle its content around so it flows better and make sure all the paragraphs have topic sentences, then relabel the subsections. You're welcome to make any edits to the article that you want and I'll only revert them if they worsen its quality. Or of course, you could use one of the GA-standard episode articles as a model to expand one of the non-GA articles; I've already added the Inside Black Mirror Production details to episodes up to USS Callister, so all the remaining sources you need are freely available online. — Bilorv ( talk) 08:04, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 10:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
'Casting and filming' section should incl. the Silverstone Formula 1 race track pit lane and garage. The 'unused army barracks' might be a mistake. Can someone update, add a citation if needed... then delete this talk entry. Thanks. Jim
1min 57 sec into episode shows the Silverstone pit lane and garage exterior 2min 6 sec in shows a view from inside a garage, across the pit lane, and the pit wall w/ stairs . The link below shows the same pit wall w/stairs and should be adequate proof.
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0704269,-1.0202112,3a,45y,256.95h,89.05t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipN8Zjyiyo2v_zgCNMk6yMq3j768C8lCttwoajfj!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipN8Zjyiyo2v_zgCNMk6yMq3j768C8lCttwoajfj%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya92.331505-ro-0-fo100!7i5760!8i2880?hl=en — Preceding unsigned comment added by V-100Commando ( talk • contribs) 06:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
also - south end on the pits (can be seen at 19min, 42 sec) https://www.google.com/maps/@52.0678997,-1.0222312,48m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en — Preceding unsigned comment added by V-100Commando ( talk • contribs) 07:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)