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obviously, someone should cut the Borat translation out. Could you link an MIDI or MP3? -- PeerBr 08:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a really beautiful anthem. Perhaps the most beautiful anthem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.147.0.44 ( talk) 12:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
There should be an in popular culture section with the Borat lyrics.
Don't connected to Turkish Page : http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakistan_Ulusal_Mar%C5%9F%C4%B1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaviAteş ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I see that the redirects to this page include "Kazakhstani national anthem" but not "Kazakh national anthem". Is "Kazakh national anthem" not the correct term? Or am I missing something? Yaris678 ( talk) 20:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
In the link section there's a YouTobe link to the Borat song. Someone remove it please, since the article is locked. Temp74e321 ( talk) 21:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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This should have
{{
about|the Kazakh national anthem|other uses|My Kazakhstan}}
-- 76.65.128.252 ( talk) 08:22, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
{{
about|the Kazakh national anthem|for the song|My Kazakhstan (song)}}
?
A boat
that can float!
(watch me float!)
12:42, 1 September 2012 (UTC)The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus in 38 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 14:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Meniñ Qazaqstanım →
My Kazakhstan (national anthem) – This 2006 song has an English language title, "My Kazakhstan". Per
allmusic,
Radio Free Europe,
The Sun,
Daily Mail,
The Atlantic,
The Telegraph
76.65.128.252 (
talk)
08:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
"The original lyrics were modified by Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Kazakhstan, before the decree was issued."
If this is going to be mentioned, it might be a good idea to explain how the lyrics were modified. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 03:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone help me please? Lyric on page from Borat movie! Please, approve my changes. Original lyric, from goverment's site - http://www.akorda.kz/en/state_symbols/kazakhstan_anthem — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xjr358 ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
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I noticed recently a change in the Latin script version of the National Anthem in that it's now based on the Revised Romanization of Korean. Now I don't know much about Kazakh's current Latin script situation or how it's going to be changed, but I'm fairly certain that it is not based on Revised Romanization right now. Could someone provide a source which states Kazakh's Latin script will be based on RR? If it shouldn't be like that, then the Latin script version should be changed back to its original version. Omegagmaster ( talk) 22:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC) Omegagmaster ( talk) 22:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Just realized the user that made the Korean edits is indefinitely blocked from Wikipedia. Can someone please repair the Latin script version? Omegagmaster ( talk) 22:48, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I realized that the lyrics suddenly got removed. I also noticed this in several anthem articles. I know the lyrics are retrievable in the archives, but an admin on Wikipedia may revert me if I re-add the lyrics. So I came here to question the purpose of the lyric removal. Furthermore, the lyrics have been on Wikipedia for over a decade, why did an admin suddenly remove them? I am overly curious. If anyone can explain, I look forward to hearing from you! NeuPommern ( talk) 00:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Мыналар авторлық құқық объектiлерi болмайды; 1) ресми құжаттар (заңдар, сот шешiмдерi, заң әкiмшiлiк, сот сипатындағы және дипломатиялық сипаттағы өзге де мәтiндер), сондай-ақ олардың ресми аудармалары; 2) мемлекеттiк нышандар мен белгiлер (жалаулар, елтаңбалар, ордендер, ақша белгiлерi және өзге де мемлекеттiк нышандар мен белгiлер); 3) халық шығармашылығы туындылары; 4) оқиғалар мен фактiлер туралы ақпараттық сипаттағы хабарлар.
— Авторлық құқық және сабақтас құқықтар туралы - 1996 ж. 10 маусымдағы № 6-I Қазақстан Республикасының Заңы
I don't see anything in that commons template to suggest that the national anthem is free to reuse (I wouldn't have said it was a "state symbol or sign", particularly since the template does not specify the national anthem in its explanation). Even if it is free to reuse, Wikipedia's policy on lyrics (that excerpts for the purpose of commentary are acceptable, but wholesale reproduction should be left to Wikisource) still suggests that Wikisource, not Wikipedia, is the place for this content. I'm not even going to respond to the ridiculous assertion that the burden of proof lies on an administrator to prove that content is under copyright, that's simply nonsensical and runs contrary to Wikipedia's entire stance on copyrighted materials. Yunshui 雲 水 11:59, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
The original lyrics can by shown, but the various translation should not be shown here. Only an English one is enough, maybe languages like Chinese, Russian are even also proper to be shown for the Kazakh people in these countries... But what's the meaning of Bashkir, Turkish... The Pan-Turkic propaganda? Ulysses Faye Ohkiph ( talk) 11:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Formal request has been received to merge My Kazakhstan (1956 song) into Menin' Qazaqstanym; dated: November 2017. Proposer's Rationale: They are actually one thing with two different versions, and the former one is too long in its title, and too short in its main body. Discuss here. Richard3120 ( talk) 19:35, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Menin' Qazaqstanym ---> Meniń Qazaqstanym in accordance with the new alphabet change yesterday or so. 66.76.2.61 ( talk) 22:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
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User:ScrapIronIV has relatively recently decided to remove the lyrics from this page, citing WP:LYRICS. I discussed the issue in detail on the user talk page ( if the link expires). Based on the edit message provided ("Per WP:LYRICS - feel free to link to them on WP:COMMONS") and comments on the user page, I have understood that the idea is to transfer the lyrics out of Wikipedia onto another site of the Wikimedia project, such as Wikisource. However, User:ScrapIronIV has maintained that someone else must do the actual action of moving the content onto the other site and asks some other editor so in the edit message in question.
I am opening the discussion here to get opinions from a wider range of users about whether the lyrics should stay on the site or be moved elsewhere. I've attempted to suggest adding a template like Copy section to Wikisource under the Lyrics section, but even this has apparently not been enough for User:ScrapIronIV, instead preferring to plaster this notice onto the edit message, where people are unlikely to notice it. I personally believe that the lyrics are fine as is on the article itself, but have nothing against moving them to Wikisource and linking the Wikisource page into the article concerning the national anthem. For this, I believe the ideal solution is to add the template I mentioned earlier under the section rather than delete it outright.
What do other users think? Should the anthem lyrics be moved to Wikisource or not? SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 21:28, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
The consensus has been to remove lyrics from national anthem articles if they constitute an excessive portion of the page's contents. While it may be argued that the official Kazakh and English versions of these lyrics do not constitute such an excessive section, including unofficial translations definitely does (and likely violates WP:OR). The lyrics can also be found on Wikisource, rendering having the lyrics on the main article itself unnecessary. For these reasons the lyrics section has been removed from the article. SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 21:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Other related pages: WP:NPS and WP:NOTLYRICS, the latter of which states: "Quotations from a song should be kept to a reasonable length relative to the rest of the article, and used to facilitate discussion, or to illustrate the style; the full text can be put on Wikisource and linked to from the article." SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 22:00, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
What I'm seeing now is somewhat dishonest behavior from User:Учхљёная - an edit that claimed I had "approved" the existence of lyrics on the page, which is clearly false from my statements. The user has also agreed to not have unofficial translations, but then contradicts this by reverting an edit that removes them with the message including "The translations are original, useful, and cannot be found in any other location." (Compare the dates: this discussion came before) So which one is it? I have stated quite a few times that the unofficial translations violate WP:OR and yet it seems this point has been completely ignored. SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 17:21, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm asking for a third opinion on this issue, as I feel the edit warring has gone on for too long (even though the consensus so far is not have any lyrics (and yet reverts keep going on even against WP:QUO). The dispute concerns this question: whether to have the full lyrics of a national anthem in articles that are too short for them. The part about unofficial translations seems to have the consensus of not including them. SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 17:28, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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First of all - no "OR" translations. You shouldn't have a problem finding an official translation (or at least an RS one) of a national anthem. Second, length isn't an issue up to 3 stanzas (with a hard border of, say, 4-5 stanzas if they're <4 lines of <4 words each) as long as there's some informative reason to include the lyrics. Lyrics in general aren't necessarily that informative in this sense, but national anthems are always meaningful and culturally loaded, making them an exception and worthy of inclusion even if slightly longer ( example) (but not necessarily in annoying, exhaustive tables like here). An acceptable way of including an entire poem is given here. Bottom line: keep one non-English script, one transliteration and one translation, drop the coloring and the verse subtitles (I know it's the "second verse" - I can count), and you'll have something that's both faithful and compact. François Robere ( talk) 10:55, 14 April 2018 (UTC) |
Comment A similar content dispute occurred at Anthem of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic over whether or not WP:LYRICS applies in situations where copyright is not a concern (such as national anthems). Many involved editors, uninvolved editors that contributed to the article, and third-party voices were pinged, and a near unanimous consensus was achieved: WP:NOTLYRICS does not apply to national anthem articles because the policy explicitly regards copyright. Please keep this in mind. The lyrics should not be removed from this article based on WP:LYRICS, nor should they be from National anthem of France, National anthem of Burkina Faso, or any other song article where there's obviously no copyright infringement. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 04:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Please join discussion at Talk:Anthem of the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic#Discuss inclusion of lyrics.-- Nø ( talk) 14:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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obviously, someone should cut the Borat translation out. Could you link an MIDI or MP3? -- PeerBr 08:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a really beautiful anthem. Perhaps the most beautiful anthem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.147.0.44 ( talk) 12:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
There should be an in popular culture section with the Borat lyrics.
Don't connected to Turkish Page : http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakistan_Ulusal_Mar%C5%9F%C4%B1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaviAteş ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
I see that the redirects to this page include "Kazakhstani national anthem" but not "Kazakh national anthem". Is "Kazakh national anthem" not the correct term? Or am I missing something? Yaris678 ( talk) 20:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
In the link section there's a YouTobe link to the Borat song. Someone remove it please, since the article is locked. Temp74e321 ( talk) 21:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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This should have
{{
about|the Kazakh national anthem|other uses|My Kazakhstan}}
-- 76.65.128.252 ( talk) 08:22, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
{{
about|the Kazakh national anthem|for the song|My Kazakhstan (song)}}
?
A boat
that can float!
(watch me float!)
12:42, 1 September 2012 (UTC)The result of the move request was: page not moved: no consensus in 38 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 14:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Meniñ Qazaqstanım →
My Kazakhstan (national anthem) – This 2006 song has an English language title, "My Kazakhstan". Per
allmusic,
Radio Free Europe,
The Sun,
Daily Mail,
The Atlantic,
The Telegraph
76.65.128.252 (
talk)
08:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
"The original lyrics were modified by Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Kazakhstan, before the decree was issued."
If this is going to be mentioned, it might be a good idea to explain how the lyrics were modified. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 03:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone help me please? Lyric on page from Borat movie! Please, approve my changes. Original lyric, from goverment's site - http://www.akorda.kz/en/state_symbols/kazakhstan_anthem — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xjr358 ( talk • contribs) 15:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
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I noticed recently a change in the Latin script version of the National Anthem in that it's now based on the Revised Romanization of Korean. Now I don't know much about Kazakh's current Latin script situation or how it's going to be changed, but I'm fairly certain that it is not based on Revised Romanization right now. Could someone provide a source which states Kazakh's Latin script will be based on RR? If it shouldn't be like that, then the Latin script version should be changed back to its original version. Omegagmaster ( talk) 22:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC) Omegagmaster ( talk) 22:32, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Just realized the user that made the Korean edits is indefinitely blocked from Wikipedia. Can someone please repair the Latin script version? Omegagmaster ( talk) 22:48, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I realized that the lyrics suddenly got removed. I also noticed this in several anthem articles. I know the lyrics are retrievable in the archives, but an admin on Wikipedia may revert me if I re-add the lyrics. So I came here to question the purpose of the lyric removal. Furthermore, the lyrics have been on Wikipedia for over a decade, why did an admin suddenly remove them? I am overly curious. If anyone can explain, I look forward to hearing from you! NeuPommern ( talk) 00:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Мыналар авторлық құқық объектiлерi болмайды; 1) ресми құжаттар (заңдар, сот шешiмдерi, заң әкiмшiлiк, сот сипатындағы және дипломатиялық сипаттағы өзге де мәтiндер), сондай-ақ олардың ресми аудармалары; 2) мемлекеттiк нышандар мен белгiлер (жалаулар, елтаңбалар, ордендер, ақша белгiлерi және өзге де мемлекеттiк нышандар мен белгiлер); 3) халық шығармашылығы туындылары; 4) оқиғалар мен фактiлер туралы ақпараттық сипаттағы хабарлар.
— Авторлық құқық және сабақтас құқықтар туралы - 1996 ж. 10 маусымдағы № 6-I Қазақстан Республикасының Заңы
I don't see anything in that commons template to suggest that the national anthem is free to reuse (I wouldn't have said it was a "state symbol or sign", particularly since the template does not specify the national anthem in its explanation). Even if it is free to reuse, Wikipedia's policy on lyrics (that excerpts for the purpose of commentary are acceptable, but wholesale reproduction should be left to Wikisource) still suggests that Wikisource, not Wikipedia, is the place for this content. I'm not even going to respond to the ridiculous assertion that the burden of proof lies on an administrator to prove that content is under copyright, that's simply nonsensical and runs contrary to Wikipedia's entire stance on copyrighted materials. Yunshui 雲 水 11:59, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
The original lyrics can by shown, but the various translation should not be shown here. Only an English one is enough, maybe languages like Chinese, Russian are even also proper to be shown for the Kazakh people in these countries... But what's the meaning of Bashkir, Turkish... The Pan-Turkic propaganda? Ulysses Faye Ohkiph ( talk) 11:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Formal request has been received to merge My Kazakhstan (1956 song) into Menin' Qazaqstanym; dated: November 2017. Proposer's Rationale: They are actually one thing with two different versions, and the former one is too long in its title, and too short in its main body. Discuss here. Richard3120 ( talk) 19:35, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
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Menin' Qazaqstanym ---> Meniń Qazaqstanym in accordance with the new alphabet change yesterday or so. 66.76.2.61 ( talk) 22:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Sorry that I don't know how to format this.
User:ScrapIronIV has relatively recently decided to remove the lyrics from this page, citing WP:LYRICS. I discussed the issue in detail on the user talk page ( if the link expires). Based on the edit message provided ("Per WP:LYRICS - feel free to link to them on WP:COMMONS") and comments on the user page, I have understood that the idea is to transfer the lyrics out of Wikipedia onto another site of the Wikimedia project, such as Wikisource. However, User:ScrapIronIV has maintained that someone else must do the actual action of moving the content onto the other site and asks some other editor so in the edit message in question.
I am opening the discussion here to get opinions from a wider range of users about whether the lyrics should stay on the site or be moved elsewhere. I've attempted to suggest adding a template like Copy section to Wikisource under the Lyrics section, but even this has apparently not been enough for User:ScrapIronIV, instead preferring to plaster this notice onto the edit message, where people are unlikely to notice it. I personally believe that the lyrics are fine as is on the article itself, but have nothing against moving them to Wikisource and linking the Wikisource page into the article concerning the national anthem. For this, I believe the ideal solution is to add the template I mentioned earlier under the section rather than delete it outright.
What do other users think? Should the anthem lyrics be moved to Wikisource or not? SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 21:28, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
The consensus has been to remove lyrics from national anthem articles if they constitute an excessive portion of the page's contents. While it may be argued that the official Kazakh and English versions of these lyrics do not constitute such an excessive section, including unofficial translations definitely does (and likely violates WP:OR). The lyrics can also be found on Wikisource, rendering having the lyrics on the main article itself unnecessary. For these reasons the lyrics section has been removed from the article. SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 21:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Other related pages: WP:NPS and WP:NOTLYRICS, the latter of which states: "Quotations from a song should be kept to a reasonable length relative to the rest of the article, and used to facilitate discussion, or to illustrate the style; the full text can be put on Wikisource and linked to from the article." SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 22:00, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
What I'm seeing now is somewhat dishonest behavior from User:Учхљёная - an edit that claimed I had "approved" the existence of lyrics on the page, which is clearly false from my statements. The user has also agreed to not have unofficial translations, but then contradicts this by reverting an edit that removes them with the message including "The translations are original, useful, and cannot be found in any other location." (Compare the dates: this discussion came before) So which one is it? I have stated quite a few times that the unofficial translations violate WP:OR and yet it seems this point has been completely ignored. SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 17:21, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm asking for a third opinion on this issue, as I feel the edit warring has gone on for too long (even though the consensus so far is not have any lyrics (and yet reverts keep going on even against WP:QUO). The dispute concerns this question: whether to have the full lyrics of a national anthem in articles that are too short for them. The part about unofficial translations seems to have the consensus of not including them. SURJECTION · talk· contr· log· 17:28, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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First of all - no "OR" translations. You shouldn't have a problem finding an official translation (or at least an RS one) of a national anthem. Second, length isn't an issue up to 3 stanzas (with a hard border of, say, 4-5 stanzas if they're <4 lines of <4 words each) as long as there's some informative reason to include the lyrics. Lyrics in general aren't necessarily that informative in this sense, but national anthems are always meaningful and culturally loaded, making them an exception and worthy of inclusion even if slightly longer ( example) (but not necessarily in annoying, exhaustive tables like here). An acceptable way of including an entire poem is given here. Bottom line: keep one non-English script, one transliteration and one translation, drop the coloring and the verse subtitles (I know it's the "second verse" - I can count), and you'll have something that's both faithful and compact. François Robere ( talk) 10:55, 14 April 2018 (UTC) |
Comment A similar content dispute occurred at Anthem of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic over whether or not WP:LYRICS applies in situations where copyright is not a concern (such as national anthems). Many involved editors, uninvolved editors that contributed to the article, and third-party voices were pinged, and a near unanimous consensus was achieved: WP:NOTLYRICS does not apply to national anthem articles because the policy explicitly regards copyright. Please keep this in mind. The lyrics should not be removed from this article based on WP:LYRICS, nor should they be from National anthem of France, National anthem of Burkina Faso, or any other song article where there's obviously no copyright infringement. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 04:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Please join discussion at Talk:Anthem of the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic#Discuss inclusion of lyrics.-- Nø ( talk) 14:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)