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The first paragraph is linked in error to a third party opinion on a controversial study; the primary source used for the word Melungeon is arbitrarily placed in the middle of the sentence and connected to an additional source that does not agree with the primary source and definition of Melungeon people and where they are from.
Melungeons (
/məˈlʌndʒənz/
mə-LUN-jənz) (sometimes also spelled Malungeans, Melangeans, Melungeans, Melungins
[1]) are a group of people from
Appalachia who predominantly descend from Northern or Central
European women and
sub-Saharan African men.
[2] Their ancestors were likely brought to
Virginia as
indentured servants in the mid-17th century.
[2]
This citation could be cleaned up and the citation mentioned twice should be collapsed in one sentence and the full citation and resource should be in sentence 1 found here on the definition of Melungeon:
https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1890/volume-10/1890a_v10-2
Source in dispute: https://www.tampabay.com/incoming/dna-study-seeks-origin-of-melungeons/1231925/ StephanieTree ( talk) 02:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
References
The "A Typical Malungeon" (Calloway Collins) illustration is more of a caricature than a realistic depiction of a Melungeon. IIRC, this was commissioned by Dromgoole and her perspective on the Melungeons is evidently not unbiased. Additionally, the article doesn't alert the reader to this fact.
I suggest that the illlustration be removed from the article. In the alternative, there could be additional content added elaborating on societal or systemic bias against Melungeons (e.g. in the media, as exemplified by Dromgoole's "contributions"). I'm not volunteering to do this, just saying that this would provide the needed context for this illustration. Fabrickator ( talk) 05:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
The article in its current form says "Their ancestors were likely brought to Virginia as indentured servants in the mid-17th century." This is quoted from a newspaper article in the Tampa Bay Times about a DNA study of Melungeon ancestry. An editor has rejected an effort to insert the word "White" before "ancestors", holding to exact quotation. I believe that the word "White" should be inserted, for two reasons. The source that is quoted is not a reliable source for details of American history, it is much more reliable about events in Tampa Bay. Secondly, I have found zero mentions of indentured servants from Africa (aside from some speculation regarding 20 Africans in 1619). Do other editors agree with my position that the cited source is not adequately reliable to claim that people from Africa were indentured servants in the era leading to the Melungeons? 00:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC) Pete unseth ( talk) 00:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Melungeons are only a tiny part of the peoples of Appalachia. I have never seen or spoken to anyone who described themselves as Melungeon and I have lived my 74 years entirely in Appalachia. I was a grown man before I had even read about the Melungeons.
This article, as I read it, would lead a novice to believe that they are a majority instead of the tiny minority they are. When asked "what is your ethnicity?" my answer is I am Appalachian, just like the Mountains and so would they, I suspect. Its not where we came from, its who we are. Eaammons ( talk) 19:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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The first paragraph is linked in error to a third party opinion on a controversial study; the primary source used for the word Melungeon is arbitrarily placed in the middle of the sentence and connected to an additional source that does not agree with the primary source and definition of Melungeon people and where they are from.
Melungeons (
/məˈlʌndʒənz/
mə-LUN-jənz) (sometimes also spelled Malungeans, Melangeans, Melungeans, Melungins
[1]) are a group of people from
Appalachia who predominantly descend from Northern or Central
European women and
sub-Saharan African men.
[2] Their ancestors were likely brought to
Virginia as
indentured servants in the mid-17th century.
[2]
This citation could be cleaned up and the citation mentioned twice should be collapsed in one sentence and the full citation and resource should be in sentence 1 found here on the definition of Melungeon:
https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1890/volume-10/1890a_v10-2
Source in dispute: https://www.tampabay.com/incoming/dna-study-seeks-origin-of-melungeons/1231925/ StephanieTree ( talk) 02:05, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
References
The "A Typical Malungeon" (Calloway Collins) illustration is more of a caricature than a realistic depiction of a Melungeon. IIRC, this was commissioned by Dromgoole and her perspective on the Melungeons is evidently not unbiased. Additionally, the article doesn't alert the reader to this fact.
I suggest that the illlustration be removed from the article. In the alternative, there could be additional content added elaborating on societal or systemic bias against Melungeons (e.g. in the media, as exemplified by Dromgoole's "contributions"). I'm not volunteering to do this, just saying that this would provide the needed context for this illustration. Fabrickator ( talk) 05:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
The article in its current form says "Their ancestors were likely brought to Virginia as indentured servants in the mid-17th century." This is quoted from a newspaper article in the Tampa Bay Times about a DNA study of Melungeon ancestry. An editor has rejected an effort to insert the word "White" before "ancestors", holding to exact quotation. I believe that the word "White" should be inserted, for two reasons. The source that is quoted is not a reliable source for details of American history, it is much more reliable about events in Tampa Bay. Secondly, I have found zero mentions of indentured servants from Africa (aside from some speculation regarding 20 Africans in 1619). Do other editors agree with my position that the cited source is not adequately reliable to claim that people from Africa were indentured servants in the era leading to the Melungeons? 00:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC) Pete unseth ( talk) 00:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
Melungeons are only a tiny part of the peoples of Appalachia. I have never seen or spoken to anyone who described themselves as Melungeon and I have lived my 74 years entirely in Appalachia. I was a grown man before I had even read about the Melungeons.
This article, as I read it, would lead a novice to believe that they are a majority instead of the tiny minority they are. When asked "what is your ethnicity?" my answer is I am Appalachian, just like the Mountains and so would they, I suspect. Its not where we came from, its who we are. Eaammons ( talk) 19:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)