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All this talk about what to call her position is a waste of time, she's a news anchor. The more important stuff is can someone find out her birthday? Where was she born? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.198.104 ( talk) 19:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
An editor has twice changed the national variety of English from American English by changing "anchor" to "news presenter" and "hosts" to "presents". That change has been reverted and shouldn't be repeated because it violates that Wikipedia Manual of Style's policy on national varieties of English. That policy presents four guidelines. (1) Consistency within articles - The second paragraph uses the American spelling "honor" and the third paragraph uses the Americanism "hosts" rather than "presents" which is used in some other varieties of English. Therefore, American English should be retained in the first paragraph to maintain consistency. (2) Strong national ties to a topic - Melissa Lee is from the U.S. and works for a U.S. television channel. This favor American English. (3) Retaining the existing variety - The article used American English before the IP editor changed it to a different variety. (4) Opportunities for commonality - News presenter isn't a term that is used in the U.S. American readers are likely to be unfamiliar with it unless they've seen the term in non-U.S. sources. In some other varieties of English, anchor is not used. So neither version produces commonality. I have changed "anchor" to the phrase "news anchor" in an attempt at greater clarity. -- JamesAM ( talk) 19:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
This article is still being repeatedly edited to change American English terms to U.K. terms without any Talk page discussion (just edit summaries. "News presenter" is not a universal term - it's a nation specific term. In the U.S., from which Melissa Lee hails and where she works, "news anchor" (or simply "anchor" or "anchorwoman") are used. News presenter is not commonly used. It is a well established precedent that anchor is used to described U.S. news anchor consistent with WP:ENGVAR. The ledes in the articles about the three current network news anchors ( Katie Couric, Brian Williams, and Charlie Gibson) all refer to them as anchors, not as presenters. The same is true about the ledes for all of the Big Three ( Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings) as well as the short-term successors of the Big Three ( Elizabeth Vargas, Bob Woodruff, Bob Schieffer). Under the current status quo, anchor is appropriate. I think the IP editor ought to seek to change WP:ENGVAR if he/she thinks all news anchors should be referred to as news presenters. -- JamesAM ( talk) 03:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Third opinion. Normally, I wouldn't respond until the second opinion has been clearly stated here on the Talk page, but, fortunately, the anon editor has stated his opinions quite clearly in the edit summaries. The editor's argument appears to be that "news anchor" is not, in fact, regular American English at all, but simply a colloquial term inappropriate for a serious article, and, moreover, one that may confuse readers. They offer the news presenter article as supporting evidence for this position.
In my opinion, the article quoted does not support this position, and "news anchor" does seem to be standard American English, and should therefore be used in the article per WP:ENGVAR. Indeed, the news presenter article has clearly stated that this is the regular term for at least the last twelve months (as far back as I searched), without any apparent dispute on that page. However, given the situation, I would suggest linking the term "news anchor" in this article to News presenter#News anchor just in case anyone else is confused by what it actually means. Although, personally, I'm British, and it didn't confuse me... Anaxial ( talk) 07:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I made the little change as the name <anchor> means different thing. In many places (including here in China - important as Melissa family) <presenter> is the word. I think maybe if some american people like <anchor> they need think it may is the same as <presenter> in your country but also the only word in others. The word <anchor> just puzzle people and Wikipedia is for everyone of world not just american. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 04:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Please not change this word as you puzzle people. This is not your writing but for every person in every country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 12:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
This is not your writing. I change so many people can better understand I see other peoples not like <anchor> . There are many <Lee> people here and want to know of other <Lee> people like Melissa this why I come here. If funny word like <anchor> used then many people will confused. I may think you not want to help wikipedia but want to own this writing or make little war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 13:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I think I know the word <consensus>. This mean that everyone agree? If yes then you are not right. I can see here many people not like <anchor>. This <anchor> puzzle people so why you use? Why not use the word I made? You know what <present> is I think. All I say is use word that many people know. If I change now you will know the word and so all people. If you next change the word you puzzle people. I think you want a little war. Do you want to puzzle people? Maybe you do not like Chinese people so that why you want to puzzle them. Have you visit China? Have you met Chinese people- I mean Chinese people not <Chinese Amercian> which is silly as people can not be of two countrys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 02:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Me again. I talk to other <Lee> people. You se then they not like <anchor> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 02:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
You say what other people think is not consideration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was right you want to own this writing. Many peoples here told you there not like <anchor> but you like so you say must stay here.
I never change after her name from <anchor> to <presenter> so why you say this? Why you tell these bad lies? I change onlys writings after <she sometimes>
What is that is wrong with you? I think I am right you not like Chinese people and you want to puzzle people? Or maybes you are little man? You not help the world. You not help wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 03:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello I am Kang. My friend speak to me about this. I think it to is wrong to use the word <anchors>. To use <presents> makes more sense as this is understood by everyone but <anchors> is not. I support by friend and do not understand why some person would not agree and wish to use <anchors>. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.222.200.158 ( talk) 13:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I also say the <presents> is the better word than <anchors> so I will change after I write this. It is word that more people have written here they want so please not change. I also think there is some anti Chinese reason for changing back to <anchors>. Other wise why want to confuse so many? Why want to change back to word many other people do not want. Please do not change from <presents> which every person knows. I think my english is a little better than earlier person so I can tell Mr.JamesAM that he did make lies because this person never changed <anchor> connnected with name which Mr.JamesAm said. The person want the same change as me. This is the change that all the persons want but Mr.JamesAM. Please Mr.JamesAM it is only you want <anchors>. You do not have this page to yourself. You need to think why you keep making this change? It looks like arrogance or maybe cultural imperialism. Both not wanted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.68.248.91 ( talk) 12:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC) Thank you. Kitty Lee.
I tell you that many people not like <anchors>. You can sees. Now please not change. I happy now see you say <Melissa Lee> is American it was silly to write she Chinese + American because person can not be of two country. Now I change to only have American. Please I say again not change <presents>. I no understand why you angry with Miss.Kitty Lee by say she break law she did not. She only say that what peoples think of why you make changes back to <anchors> And she never did make insults to you. You very puzzle me. You make change that many peoples not want. You write word to puzzles many peoples. You say things not happened this of me when you said I changes of <present> with name when I no change this I change <anchors>. You now say Miss.Kitty Lee insulting you I know this is saying bad names of you. Miss.Kitty Lee no did bad names of you. You make me puzzle of you. But this no matter. I ask NO CHANGE <presents> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 10:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
You weres angry at Miss.Kitty Lee because you said she insulted you. But she nevers call you names. I know my english not good, but I study. But I can read Miss.Kitty Lee write that you wanting to use a word like <anchors> with many poeoples wanting other <looks like arrogance or maybe cultural imperialism> is not same as calling you names. I puzzle why you change things a little on this page. You did the same against me. You write I change <anchor> with name but I not. I change <anchors>. Why you do these little changes? If you not like <presents> even though many peoples like and that this writing is not belong to you I change <anchors> now. I look for different word. Please no change. Also I tell you that Chinese is not ethnicity. Chinese is of China, this a country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 00:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I made change to the writings. I go back to it was agree months time ago. Please no no change now. This writings had taken much work to make agree with everybodys. ?Whys somebodys change now? The writings I go back to gave everybodys agree and happy but now one somebody want to go back to bad writings that make little understanding for many peoples and would misunderstand many peoples. I ask please leave this good writing. Thank yous. Xue ZHANG. —Preceding
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All this talk about what to call her position is a waste of time, she's a news anchor. The more important stuff is can someone find out her birthday? Where was she born? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.198.104 ( talk) 19:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
An editor has twice changed the national variety of English from American English by changing "anchor" to "news presenter" and "hosts" to "presents". That change has been reverted and shouldn't be repeated because it violates that Wikipedia Manual of Style's policy on national varieties of English. That policy presents four guidelines. (1) Consistency within articles - The second paragraph uses the American spelling "honor" and the third paragraph uses the Americanism "hosts" rather than "presents" which is used in some other varieties of English. Therefore, American English should be retained in the first paragraph to maintain consistency. (2) Strong national ties to a topic - Melissa Lee is from the U.S. and works for a U.S. television channel. This favor American English. (3) Retaining the existing variety - The article used American English before the IP editor changed it to a different variety. (4) Opportunities for commonality - News presenter isn't a term that is used in the U.S. American readers are likely to be unfamiliar with it unless they've seen the term in non-U.S. sources. In some other varieties of English, anchor is not used. So neither version produces commonality. I have changed "anchor" to the phrase "news anchor" in an attempt at greater clarity. -- JamesAM ( talk) 19:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
This article is still being repeatedly edited to change American English terms to U.K. terms without any Talk page discussion (just edit summaries. "News presenter" is not a universal term - it's a nation specific term. In the U.S., from which Melissa Lee hails and where she works, "news anchor" (or simply "anchor" or "anchorwoman") are used. News presenter is not commonly used. It is a well established precedent that anchor is used to described U.S. news anchor consistent with WP:ENGVAR. The ledes in the articles about the three current network news anchors ( Katie Couric, Brian Williams, and Charlie Gibson) all refer to them as anchors, not as presenters. The same is true about the ledes for all of the Big Three ( Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings) as well as the short-term successors of the Big Three ( Elizabeth Vargas, Bob Woodruff, Bob Schieffer). Under the current status quo, anchor is appropriate. I think the IP editor ought to seek to change WP:ENGVAR if he/she thinks all news anchors should be referred to as news presenters. -- JamesAM ( talk) 03:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Third opinion. Normally, I wouldn't respond until the second opinion has been clearly stated here on the Talk page, but, fortunately, the anon editor has stated his opinions quite clearly in the edit summaries. The editor's argument appears to be that "news anchor" is not, in fact, regular American English at all, but simply a colloquial term inappropriate for a serious article, and, moreover, one that may confuse readers. They offer the news presenter article as supporting evidence for this position.
In my opinion, the article quoted does not support this position, and "news anchor" does seem to be standard American English, and should therefore be used in the article per WP:ENGVAR. Indeed, the news presenter article has clearly stated that this is the regular term for at least the last twelve months (as far back as I searched), without any apparent dispute on that page. However, given the situation, I would suggest linking the term "news anchor" in this article to News presenter#News anchor just in case anyone else is confused by what it actually means. Although, personally, I'm British, and it didn't confuse me... Anaxial ( talk) 07:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I made the little change as the name <anchor> means different thing. In many places (including here in China - important as Melissa family) <presenter> is the word. I think maybe if some american people like <anchor> they need think it may is the same as <presenter> in your country but also the only word in others. The word <anchor> just puzzle people and Wikipedia is for everyone of world not just american. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 04:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Please not change this word as you puzzle people. This is not your writing but for every person in every country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 12:27, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
This is not your writing. I change so many people can better understand I see other peoples not like <anchor> . There are many <Lee> people here and want to know of other <Lee> people like Melissa this why I come here. If funny word like <anchor> used then many people will confused. I may think you not want to help wikipedia but want to own this writing or make little war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 13:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I think I know the word <consensus>. This mean that everyone agree? If yes then you are not right. I can see here many people not like <anchor>. This <anchor> puzzle people so why you use? Why not use the word I made? You know what <present> is I think. All I say is use word that many people know. If I change now you will know the word and so all people. If you next change the word you puzzle people. I think you want a little war. Do you want to puzzle people? Maybe you do not like Chinese people so that why you want to puzzle them. Have you visit China? Have you met Chinese people- I mean Chinese people not <Chinese Amercian> which is silly as people can not be of two countrys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 02:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Me again. I talk to other <Lee> people. You se then they not like <anchor> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 02:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
You say what other people think is not consideration!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was right you want to own this writing. Many peoples here told you there not like <anchor> but you like so you say must stay here.
I never change after her name from <anchor> to <presenter> so why you say this? Why you tell these bad lies? I change onlys writings after <she sometimes>
What is that is wrong with you? I think I am right you not like Chinese people and you want to puzzle people? Or maybes you are little man? You not help the world. You not help wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 03:54, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello I am Kang. My friend speak to me about this. I think it to is wrong to use the word <anchors>. To use <presents> makes more sense as this is understood by everyone but <anchors> is not. I support by friend and do not understand why some person would not agree and wish to use <anchors>. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.222.200.158 ( talk) 13:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I also say the <presents> is the better word than <anchors> so I will change after I write this. It is word that more people have written here they want so please not change. I also think there is some anti Chinese reason for changing back to <anchors>. Other wise why want to confuse so many? Why want to change back to word many other people do not want. Please do not change from <presents> which every person knows. I think my english is a little better than earlier person so I can tell Mr.JamesAM that he did make lies because this person never changed <anchor> connnected with name which Mr.JamesAm said. The person want the same change as me. This is the change that all the persons want but Mr.JamesAM. Please Mr.JamesAM it is only you want <anchors>. You do not have this page to yourself. You need to think why you keep making this change? It looks like arrogance or maybe cultural imperialism. Both not wanted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.68.248.91 ( talk) 12:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC) Thank you. Kitty Lee.
I tell you that many people not like <anchors>. You can sees. Now please not change. I happy now see you say <Melissa Lee> is American it was silly to write she Chinese + American because person can not be of two country. Now I change to only have American. Please I say again not change <presents>. I no understand why you angry with Miss.Kitty Lee by say she break law she did not. She only say that what peoples think of why you make changes back to <anchors> And she never did make insults to you. You very puzzle me. You make change that many peoples not want. You write word to puzzles many peoples. You say things not happened this of me when you said I changes of <present> with name when I no change this I change <anchors>. You now say Miss.Kitty Lee insulting you I know this is saying bad names of you. Miss.Kitty Lee no did bad names of you. You make me puzzle of you. But this no matter. I ask NO CHANGE <presents> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 10:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
You weres angry at Miss.Kitty Lee because you said she insulted you. But she nevers call you names. I know my english not good, but I study. But I can read Miss.Kitty Lee write that you wanting to use a word like <anchors> with many poeoples wanting other <looks like arrogance or maybe cultural imperialism> is not same as calling you names. I puzzle why you change things a little on this page. You did the same against me. You write I change <anchor> with name but I not. I change <anchors>. Why you do these little changes? If you not like <presents> even though many peoples like and that this writing is not belong to you I change <anchors> now. I look for different word. Please no change. Also I tell you that Chinese is not ethnicity. Chinese is of China, this a country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.141.183.162 ( talk) 00:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
I made change to the writings. I go back to it was agree months time ago. Please no no change now. This writings had taken much work to make agree with everybodys. ?Whys somebodys change now? The writings I go back to gave everybodys agree and happy but now one somebody want to go back to bad writings that make little understanding for many peoples and would misunderstand many peoples. I ask please leave this good writing. Thank yous. Xue ZHANG. —Preceding
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