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I am not convinced that this individual is important enough to have a Wikipedia article. Unless notability is established, this article needs to be deleted. Tkurt ( talk) 04:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
It was helpful to me. I just saw her on TV and came here to learn more.
Also, "Associate Professor of Politics and African American studies at Princeton University." is a sentence fragment. It should be corrected.
72.153.198.223 ( talk) 02:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a very helpful article; looking for information online for her, and I found it - in other words, it functioned as a comprehensive, informative encyclopedia. I wanted to learn more about the subject (who also happens to show up on T.V. news a lot) and I knew I could count on Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.123.60.223 ( talk) 15:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The article needs not to be deleted but more information added to it. She is a well know political commentator and author and this article does well to give some more information on her -- Leroyjabari ( talk) 03:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
She's got her own show on MSNBC. If you think someone who has their own cable news show doesn't deserve a Wikipedia article, then you're sorely mistaken about what Wikipedia is. sevenbates ( talk) 05:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
ISSUE: Is a Google link to a book (or other link to a website that links to sales of the book) required when citing a book?
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Now I'm even more convinced you may have some personal interest in sales of this book. You are now selectively quoting Wikipedia policy to make your completely unfounded argument. Immediately after what you quote above is the following: "... if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply". And links to be avoided include spam sites and web pages that promote the sale of the book. Your argument holds no water. I have tried not to be condescending, but I must repeat myself to be sure it sinks in: Wikipedia does not require links when books are cited. If you continue this, my next step is to post an WP:RFC. 71.77.20.26 ( talk) 01:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't intend to respond endlessly to your irrational rants. I posted the RfC to settle this matter. And until a consensus emerges or until you continue to edit war, I'm not commenting further unless you make new points or other editors' comments are made. 71.77.20.26 ( talk) 16:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
As of Sunday, October 4, 2010, she is now Melissa Harris-Perry following her marriage to James Perry. She has changed her Twitter name, and is now publishing articles, making appearances and teaching at Princeton under this new married name. Her website, however, hasn't yet changed. I'm not sure of the best way to handle this here, as changing her name without changing the location of the article doesn't make sense, and moving the article and setting up redirects and all of that are beyond my sphere of knowledge. Anybody willing to make this update? (See http://www.twitter.com/mharrisperry and specifically http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26607855037 http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26608138857 http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26608241658 and http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26608300318 ) Aecamadi ( talk) 01:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Her married name is Melissa Perry period! Feminism has no place in a marriage. — Preceding
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I think her position as a regular MSNBC contributor should be in her lead-in. She's on at least once a week and has hosted the Rachel Maddow show, and that is likely to be the reason people are googling her and finding this wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.143.29 ( talk) 08:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
There was basically no info on her career post-2005, at Princeton. I happened to read a recent NYTimes profile of her that had this info so I copied it here. A couple people have deleted this, possibly because MHP was asked to leave Princeton, but people deserve to know that, so please don't delete it, thanks! Michael2127 ( talk) 17:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
It's also important to note how she left Princeton, under such controversial circumstances. If the words Cornel West used to describe her offend you, I will remove those specific words. But stop trying to white-wash her career history by deleting the up-to-date info. Michael2127 ( talk) 20:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
First of all, MHP herself said "leaving Princeton was the best thing to happen to her in a decade", so it's certainly not WP:UNDUE! And I included her perspective, I have no Point of View. Ok, there may have been 3 challenges to my contribution, but I changed it in response to those. And other people made changes to it too. And then it stayed there for a month. Until you came and obsessively tinkered with it like you apparently do for just about every biography of a living person on Wikipedia. Please stop. Michael2127 ( talk) 00:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
On 9 April, contributor 68.54.4.162 appeared to misunderstand WP policy when they deleted the image of this TV personality with this edit, giving the rationale: "Go read NFCC #1".
The contributor seems to have some awareness of WP policy- they were referring to WP:NFCC (Non free content criteria). Criteria 1 requires that no free use image be available, and that the image is necessary for the article. The requirement of a likeness of the person for a biography article does not appear to be in dispute- this has been standard practice for all articles on celebrities since WP began. On every article, we have progressively replaced all fair use images with free images when a photographer has been good enough to release one under a WP- acceptable free license. Up until that time, we have used publicity photos. A scan of the history of articles on celebrities will demonstrate this practice to anyone doubting this fact.
The question appears to be on whether a free image is available. I performed a scan of available images in the usual places (eg flikr, commons, google image search filtering for usage rights) and as of this date, there appear to be no free images available yet for this person. For this reason, I have restored the publicity photo/ logo for this person. Certainly it should be replaced as soon as someone takes a shot and releases it on flikr or commons as CC3.0 or comparable. Until then, anyone doubting that it is conformant to WP general practice to claim fair use for this publicity photos would benefit from considering Wikipedia:Publicity photos. Usage for this article is on grounds acceptable to a large number of WP editors. On the other hand, this is not WP policy, and many feel as Jimbo does that WP should be free of ANY fair use images unless there is some very special reason. Consider the discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Publicity photos, especially the section: This_page_is_dangerous.
The image is important to the article beyond identification because it gives an visual representation of the person's personality that cannot be conveyed in words.
If anyone feels differently, let's discuss it prior to another removal giving the same mistaken rationale. J JMesserly ( talk) 23:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
From beginning to end, this page reads as if it was written by MSNBC and then edited by Ms. Harris. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.74.4.190 ( talk) 15:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
And it looks like this moonbat wrote the thing herself.§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.173.32.70 ( talk) 04:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Don't know if this is the way to comment, but a statement near the bottom has no substantiation. "She is also a self-admitted communist and strongly anti-American." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.240.226 ( talk) 15:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I just added some brief information to the introductory paragraph from Harris-Perry's bio pages at thenation.com and melissaharrisperry.com. There is a little bit more I want to add to the life and career section, with a citation, but I'll have to get to that later this evening. I'd also like to question the relative length given in the "Public Controversies" section to a single very recent and apparently very minor controversy; it seems out of proportion to this very brief biography. Seems to me a single sentence should suffice. LBourne ( talk) 21:07, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Why was the controversy section removed? Since the last comment, there have been two new major controversies surrounding her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDFnrNtqAjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKdtAxXGh-Y 104.246.98.96 ( talk) 12:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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Use of the name "Romeny" is incorrect; it should be spelled "Romney". 72.218.72.102 ( talk) 16:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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Existing Text: Her father was the first dean of African-American Affairs at the University of Virginia.[1] Her mother, Diana Gray, who is white, taught at a community college and was working on her doctorate when they met.
Problem: Incorrectly written due to vague pronouns, and also bizarrely leaves out her father's name.
Possible Fix: Her father, William M. Harris Sr., was the first dean of African-American Affairs at the University of Virginia.[1] Her mother, Diana Gray, who is white, taught at a community college and was working on her doctorate when they met.
Inkor ( talk) 17:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
DragonSlayerCzar ( talk · contribs) has repeatedly created a "Criticism" section and expanded that section into approximately HALF of the article. Such sections are discouraged on Wikipedia because they attract excess additions. Prior to DragonSlayerCzar's edits, criticism already existed in the article (legitimately) and were incorporated into the "Career" section. Despite repeated requests to discuss on this talk page and to succinctly state the criticisms so they do not comprise half of a very short article, DragonSlayerCzar has unilaterally and repeatedly took it upon himself to push his POV into the article. Note that this is the only article he has edited in the past seven months. I would appreciate any help in dealing with this problem editor. Thank you. 75.177.156.78 ( talk) 14:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what the section is called, perhaps criticism is not the right title, but it seems like many editors here are trying to move the news events in MHP's career bio like the Romney's kid scandal, into its own section as it doesn't fit well with the career bio. Thesqueegeeman ( talk) 00:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
SPECIFICO removed the statement "until and unless editorial control were returned to her team" as POV. The very first sentence of the cited source states: "Melissa Harris-Perry will not appear on her MSNBC show Saturday because she said she feels editorial control was taken from her." I don't have a problem with also including information about her show being preempted for election covereage, but removing the information about editorial control is POV because it selectively presents only part of the reasons discussed in the source in order to make a biased presentation of MHP's motives. Sundayclose ( talk) 18:57, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Edited and then saw this. Her statement made clear she was open to returning. Also the NY Times source is a better source than the Grio and the Medium article. I've edited it to reflect that with a quote from her. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 06:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm the one who made the edit that stated "until and unless editorial control were returned to her team". FWIW I have never watched Harris-Perry's show; I happened up on the piece in The Grio, came to this page and chose wording based on that source, which as Sundayclose notes above mentioned editorial control in the very first sentence. That same source also quotes Harris-Perry stating in her letter: "Now, MSNBC would like me to appear [...] without returning to our team any of the editorial control and authority that makes MHP Show distinctive" and "I am only willing to return when that return happens under certain terms." That was the basis for my edit. Funcrunch ( talk) 01:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
the picture and video are CC licensed at youtube. you need to rethink your claim of copyright. Arcituno ( talk) 19:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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I am not convinced that this individual is important enough to have a Wikipedia article. Unless notability is established, this article needs to be deleted. Tkurt ( talk) 04:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
It was helpful to me. I just saw her on TV and came here to learn more.
Also, "Associate Professor of Politics and African American studies at Princeton University." is a sentence fragment. It should be corrected.
72.153.198.223 ( talk) 02:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a very helpful article; looking for information online for her, and I found it - in other words, it functioned as a comprehensive, informative encyclopedia. I wanted to learn more about the subject (who also happens to show up on T.V. news a lot) and I knew I could count on Wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.123.60.223 ( talk) 15:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
The article needs not to be deleted but more information added to it. She is a well know political commentator and author and this article does well to give some more information on her -- Leroyjabari ( talk) 03:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
She's got her own show on MSNBC. If you think someone who has their own cable news show doesn't deserve a Wikipedia article, then you're sorely mistaken about what Wikipedia is. sevenbates ( talk) 05:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
ISSUE: Is a Google link to a book (or other link to a website that links to sales of the book) required when citing a book?
71.77.20.26 (
talk) 02:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
NOTE: "an RFC on the content issue is now in progress. ... the disputed content should be left out until RFC consensus becomes clear." [Administrator]
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Now I'm even more convinced you may have some personal interest in sales of this book. You are now selectively quoting Wikipedia policy to make your completely unfounded argument. Immediately after what you quote above is the following: "... if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply". And links to be avoided include spam sites and web pages that promote the sale of the book. Your argument holds no water. I have tried not to be condescending, but I must repeat myself to be sure it sinks in: Wikipedia does not require links when books are cited. If you continue this, my next step is to post an WP:RFC. 71.77.20.26 ( talk) 01:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't intend to respond endlessly to your irrational rants. I posted the RfC to settle this matter. And until a consensus emerges or until you continue to edit war, I'm not commenting further unless you make new points or other editors' comments are made. 71.77.20.26 ( talk) 16:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
As of Sunday, October 4, 2010, she is now Melissa Harris-Perry following her marriage to James Perry. She has changed her Twitter name, and is now publishing articles, making appearances and teaching at Princeton under this new married name. Her website, however, hasn't yet changed. I'm not sure of the best way to handle this here, as changing her name without changing the location of the article doesn't make sense, and moving the article and setting up redirects and all of that are beyond my sphere of knowledge. Anybody willing to make this update? (See http://www.twitter.com/mharrisperry and specifically http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26607855037 http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26608138857 http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26608241658 and http://twitter.com/MHarrisPerry/status/26608300318 ) Aecamadi ( talk) 01:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Her married name is Melissa Perry period! Feminism has no place in a marriage. — Preceding
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152.27.33.1 (
talk) 15:25, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
This is my first time using the edit feature, so I apologize in advance if it is incorrect.
I think her position as a regular MSNBC contributor should be in her lead-in. She's on at least once a week and has hosted the Rachel Maddow show, and that is likely to be the reason people are googling her and finding this wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.143.29 ( talk) 08:00, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
There was basically no info on her career post-2005, at Princeton. I happened to read a recent NYTimes profile of her that had this info so I copied it here. A couple people have deleted this, possibly because MHP was asked to leave Princeton, but people deserve to know that, so please don't delete it, thanks! Michael2127 ( talk) 17:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
It's also important to note how she left Princeton, under such controversial circumstances. If the words Cornel West used to describe her offend you, I will remove those specific words. But stop trying to white-wash her career history by deleting the up-to-date info. Michael2127 ( talk) 20:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
First of all, MHP herself said "leaving Princeton was the best thing to happen to her in a decade", so it's certainly not WP:UNDUE! And I included her perspective, I have no Point of View. Ok, there may have been 3 challenges to my contribution, but I changed it in response to those. And other people made changes to it too. And then it stayed there for a month. Until you came and obsessively tinkered with it like you apparently do for just about every biography of a living person on Wikipedia. Please stop. Michael2127 ( talk) 00:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
On 9 April, contributor 68.54.4.162 appeared to misunderstand WP policy when they deleted the image of this TV personality with this edit, giving the rationale: "Go read NFCC #1".
The contributor seems to have some awareness of WP policy- they were referring to WP:NFCC (Non free content criteria). Criteria 1 requires that no free use image be available, and that the image is necessary for the article. The requirement of a likeness of the person for a biography article does not appear to be in dispute- this has been standard practice for all articles on celebrities since WP began. On every article, we have progressively replaced all fair use images with free images when a photographer has been good enough to release one under a WP- acceptable free license. Up until that time, we have used publicity photos. A scan of the history of articles on celebrities will demonstrate this practice to anyone doubting this fact.
The question appears to be on whether a free image is available. I performed a scan of available images in the usual places (eg flikr, commons, google image search filtering for usage rights) and as of this date, there appear to be no free images available yet for this person. For this reason, I have restored the publicity photo/ logo for this person. Certainly it should be replaced as soon as someone takes a shot and releases it on flikr or commons as CC3.0 or comparable. Until then, anyone doubting that it is conformant to WP general practice to claim fair use for this publicity photos would benefit from considering Wikipedia:Publicity photos. Usage for this article is on grounds acceptable to a large number of WP editors. On the other hand, this is not WP policy, and many feel as Jimbo does that WP should be free of ANY fair use images unless there is some very special reason. Consider the discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Publicity photos, especially the section: This_page_is_dangerous.
The image is important to the article beyond identification because it gives an visual representation of the person's personality that cannot be conveyed in words.
If anyone feels differently, let's discuss it prior to another removal giving the same mistaken rationale. J JMesserly ( talk) 23:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
From beginning to end, this page reads as if it was written by MSNBC and then edited by Ms. Harris. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.74.4.190 ( talk) 15:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
And it looks like this moonbat wrote the thing herself.§ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.173.32.70 ( talk) 04:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Don't know if this is the way to comment, but a statement near the bottom has no substantiation. "She is also a self-admitted communist and strongly anti-American." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.240.226 ( talk) 15:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
I just added some brief information to the introductory paragraph from Harris-Perry's bio pages at thenation.com and melissaharrisperry.com. There is a little bit more I want to add to the life and career section, with a citation, but I'll have to get to that later this evening. I'd also like to question the relative length given in the "Public Controversies" section to a single very recent and apparently very minor controversy; it seems out of proportion to this very brief biography. Seems to me a single sentence should suffice. LBourne ( talk) 21:07, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Why was the controversy section removed? Since the last comment, there have been two new major controversies surrounding her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDFnrNtqAjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKdtAxXGh-Y 104.246.98.96 ( talk) 12:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
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Use of the name "Romeny" is incorrect; it should be spelled "Romney". 72.218.72.102 ( talk) 16:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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Existing Text: Her father was the first dean of African-American Affairs at the University of Virginia.[1] Her mother, Diana Gray, who is white, taught at a community college and was working on her doctorate when they met.
Problem: Incorrectly written due to vague pronouns, and also bizarrely leaves out her father's name.
Possible Fix: Her father, William M. Harris Sr., was the first dean of African-American Affairs at the University of Virginia.[1] Her mother, Diana Gray, who is white, taught at a community college and was working on her doctorate when they met.
Inkor ( talk) 17:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
DragonSlayerCzar ( talk · contribs) has repeatedly created a "Criticism" section and expanded that section into approximately HALF of the article. Such sections are discouraged on Wikipedia because they attract excess additions. Prior to DragonSlayerCzar's edits, criticism already existed in the article (legitimately) and were incorporated into the "Career" section. Despite repeated requests to discuss on this talk page and to succinctly state the criticisms so they do not comprise half of a very short article, DragonSlayerCzar has unilaterally and repeatedly took it upon himself to push his POV into the article. Note that this is the only article he has edited in the past seven months. I would appreciate any help in dealing with this problem editor. Thank you. 75.177.156.78 ( talk) 14:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't matter what the section is called, perhaps criticism is not the right title, but it seems like many editors here are trying to move the news events in MHP's career bio like the Romney's kid scandal, into its own section as it doesn't fit well with the career bio. Thesqueegeeman ( talk) 00:15, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
SPECIFICO removed the statement "until and unless editorial control were returned to her team" as POV. The very first sentence of the cited source states: "Melissa Harris-Perry will not appear on her MSNBC show Saturday because she said she feels editorial control was taken from her." I don't have a problem with also including information about her show being preempted for election covereage, but removing the information about editorial control is POV because it selectively presents only part of the reasons discussed in the source in order to make a biased presentation of MHP's motives. Sundayclose ( talk) 18:57, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Edited and then saw this. Her statement made clear she was open to returning. Also the NY Times source is a better source than the Grio and the Medium article. I've edited it to reflect that with a quote from her. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 06:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm the one who made the edit that stated "until and unless editorial control were returned to her team". FWIW I have never watched Harris-Perry's show; I happened up on the piece in The Grio, came to this page and chose wording based on that source, which as Sundayclose notes above mentioned editorial control in the very first sentence. That same source also quotes Harris-Perry stating in her letter: "Now, MSNBC would like me to appear [...] without returning to our team any of the editorial control and authority that makes MHP Show distinctive" and "I am only willing to return when that return happens under certain terms." That was the basis for my edit. Funcrunch ( talk) 01:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
the picture and video are CC licensed at youtube. you need to rethink your claim of copyright. Arcituno ( talk) 19:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I removed the Personal section diff, as I felt it was intricate detail only reported by a local newspaper. Does not seem to belong. Content in question was:
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MHP was cohosting a podcast that assessed the state of democracy in 2020. There are no updated episodes after Jan. 8, 2021 (topic was the elections of Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff to the U.S. Senate with limited mentions of voter suppression and the 1/6/21 insurrection) The Nation's website still links to following System Check, but there is no information on why no new podcasts are there. 2601:152:A01:BCA0:41B5:43C2:6976:F3E0 ( talk) 22:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)