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- 12/4/05 - Changed overused to used in the sentence: "Melisma is today commonly overused in Western popular music", because it conveys the opinion of the author. Melsisma's are used a lot, but whether it is overused or not is a matter of personal taste, and should not be part of any dictionary. - Rich
Is Melisma Music Analyzer notable enough to include on this article? I'm inclined to remove because I don't particularly care about similarly named software programs when I'm reading an article about some other non-software topic. The most egregious example I've come across on WP is an instant message client named "pork". — Shadowhillway 02:42, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
While the Barnes' example is appropriate it may not be known well-enough to be useful. During certain parts of the year Handel's Messiah is nearly inescapable. There are melismatic passages throughout the work, in the arias and in the choruses, many of which are not at all fun to sing.
I would add examples from there but I am not where my Messiah score is. I do not know if it would be to include links to free examples but only because I have not look for them. JimCubb 01:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Presumably the Barnes example was provided by a user from the US - the tune "Gloria" is far more commonly sung with the words "Angels from the realms of glory" in Britain, see: http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/angels_from_the_realms_of_glory.htm.
Re: the Messiah - it's clearly an example of the subject of the article, but does it stand out as such? Surely choral music of that sort is absolutely rammed with melisma? It's not at all the same as doing the same in the tune of a song, IMO. Frumious 16:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Russian Znamenny chant would also be a good example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.153.140.70 ( talk) 00:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Would the word "love" in Eight Days a Week be an example?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6791133
Here's an interview with Anthony Heilbut (musician and author) on Melisma. I figured someone could use it if they plan on expanding the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.32.197.178 ( talk) 20:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
Is it really a good idea to list a bunch of pop/r&b artists who sing in melismatic fashion? One might include just about anyone here. In fact, it would be more instructive to consider contemporary artists who don't use it, as it is really more common than not. I think this list needs to be removed or else it runs the risk of spinning out of control. VectorPosse 05:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I haven't heard any opinion on this. (I'm not sure anybody is watching this page.) I am inclined to wait a few more days and then delete this whole list unless there are objections. (Normally, I would just be WP:Bold but such a large deletion ought to have some kind of consensus.) VectorPosse 06:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I opt for deletion of this section! This is completely out of proportion. If one wanted to list some famous examples of artists using melismatic style, a balanced list of composers over history would be appropriate, and not this. I'm watching the page, and if nobody else does, I'll delete that section on may 20, 2007. Rsling 00:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Eminem? Really? This isn't really typical of his "singing" style is it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.21.227.72 ( talk) 14:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I have now removed the arbitrary list of pop musicians. However, the article lacks sources. Whoever wrote this should at least cite some encyclopedia of music or whatever (s)he used. -- Rsling 15:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Any sources for the term 'vocal runs'? It seems more of a derogative term than anything else, and displays more of the author's opinion. I'll delete that term just now until someone comes up with a suitable source. MP
To me (not a musician) a melisma seems like a cheap version of coloratura. Would be interesting if someone could discuss this. Metallion ( talk) 23:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I also wouldn't call it "cheap," but it's an essentially different term when used in pop music - difference between a compositional technique and a vocal technique. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.44.89 ( talk) 16:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
A better example might be Adeste fideles, the carol "O come all ye faithful" - the last verse of this carol ("Sing, choirs of angels...") has a well-known harmony line.The melody is strictly syllabic, the harmony is strongly melismatic. The contrast between the two, if shown in sheet music form, would give a clear indication of the difference between the two styles. Grutness... wha? 11:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
It would be nice if the article discussed the origin of the word. I can't help but notice the phonetic resemblance to miasma (as defined in Merriam-Webster), although I suppose it may not be scrupulously NPOV to remark about that. — BarrelProof ( talk) 05:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
On the listing of cultures that feature melisma in their music, "Asian music" is listed however I think this is too general a term (Asia is a very big continent), plus "Asian" overlaps with the listing of Arabic, "Middle Eastern" (another general term used too often by English-speakers) and also overlaps with Arabic), and Indian (which is politicized in Wikipedia; it should be "South Asian music" but there is no page). Any suggestions on changing the list? Xerces1492 ( talk) 08:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I added a couple of examples from more modern music (specifically, Jethro Tull), but I suspect there are more examples in prog rock. I don't know if the "Yodeling" passage from Hocus Pocus's song "Focus" qualifies, but that's another possible example. 2602:306:CEC8:5760:74A6:C828:FDA0:9F3E ( talk) 20:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC) (Unregistered Anon.)
a very good example coming from modern music is Tori Amos' Crucify - I think the syllable chains in the chorus stretches on around 10 notes. somebody with better musicianship may make this into a paragraph — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.27.71.116 ( talk) 19:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Great examples are in Handel's Messiah, such as the Aleleula Chorus, familiar to singers. -- AstroU ( talk) 14:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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Surely '-day' is only melismatic in the treble clef? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.7.72 ( talk) 18:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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- 12/4/05 - Changed overused to used in the sentence: "Melisma is today commonly overused in Western popular music", because it conveys the opinion of the author. Melsisma's are used a lot, but whether it is overused or not is a matter of personal taste, and should not be part of any dictionary. - Rich
Is Melisma Music Analyzer notable enough to include on this article? I'm inclined to remove because I don't particularly care about similarly named software programs when I'm reading an article about some other non-software topic. The most egregious example I've come across on WP is an instant message client named "pork". — Shadowhillway 02:42, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
While the Barnes' example is appropriate it may not be known well-enough to be useful. During certain parts of the year Handel's Messiah is nearly inescapable. There are melismatic passages throughout the work, in the arias and in the choruses, many of which are not at all fun to sing.
I would add examples from there but I am not where my Messiah score is. I do not know if it would be to include links to free examples but only because I have not look for them. JimCubb 01:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Presumably the Barnes example was provided by a user from the US - the tune "Gloria" is far more commonly sung with the words "Angels from the realms of glory" in Britain, see: http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/angels_from_the_realms_of_glory.htm.
Re: the Messiah - it's clearly an example of the subject of the article, but does it stand out as such? Surely choral music of that sort is absolutely rammed with melisma? It's not at all the same as doing the same in the tune of a song, IMO. Frumious 16:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Russian Znamenny chant would also be a good example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.153.140.70 ( talk) 00:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Would the word "love" in Eight Days a Week be an example?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6791133
Here's an interview with Anthony Heilbut (musician and author) on Melisma. I figured someone could use it if they plan on expanding the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.32.197.178 ( talk) 20:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
Is it really a good idea to list a bunch of pop/r&b artists who sing in melismatic fashion? One might include just about anyone here. In fact, it would be more instructive to consider contemporary artists who don't use it, as it is really more common than not. I think this list needs to be removed or else it runs the risk of spinning out of control. VectorPosse 05:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I haven't heard any opinion on this. (I'm not sure anybody is watching this page.) I am inclined to wait a few more days and then delete this whole list unless there are objections. (Normally, I would just be WP:Bold but such a large deletion ought to have some kind of consensus.) VectorPosse 06:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I opt for deletion of this section! This is completely out of proportion. If one wanted to list some famous examples of artists using melismatic style, a balanced list of composers over history would be appropriate, and not this. I'm watching the page, and if nobody else does, I'll delete that section on may 20, 2007. Rsling 00:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Eminem? Really? This isn't really typical of his "singing" style is it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.21.227.72 ( talk) 14:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I have now removed the arbitrary list of pop musicians. However, the article lacks sources. Whoever wrote this should at least cite some encyclopedia of music or whatever (s)he used. -- Rsling 15:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Any sources for the term 'vocal runs'? It seems more of a derogative term than anything else, and displays more of the author's opinion. I'll delete that term just now until someone comes up with a suitable source. MP
To me (not a musician) a melisma seems like a cheap version of coloratura. Would be interesting if someone could discuss this. Metallion ( talk) 23:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
I also wouldn't call it "cheap," but it's an essentially different term when used in pop music - difference between a compositional technique and a vocal technique. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.44.89 ( talk) 16:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
A better example might be Adeste fideles, the carol "O come all ye faithful" - the last verse of this carol ("Sing, choirs of angels...") has a well-known harmony line.The melody is strictly syllabic, the harmony is strongly melismatic. The contrast between the two, if shown in sheet music form, would give a clear indication of the difference between the two styles. Grutness... wha? 11:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
It would be nice if the article discussed the origin of the word. I can't help but notice the phonetic resemblance to miasma (as defined in Merriam-Webster), although I suppose it may not be scrupulously NPOV to remark about that. — BarrelProof ( talk) 05:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
On the listing of cultures that feature melisma in their music, "Asian music" is listed however I think this is too general a term (Asia is a very big continent), plus "Asian" overlaps with the listing of Arabic, "Middle Eastern" (another general term used too often by English-speakers) and also overlaps with Arabic), and Indian (which is politicized in Wikipedia; it should be "South Asian music" but there is no page). Any suggestions on changing the list? Xerces1492 ( talk) 08:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
I added a couple of examples from more modern music (specifically, Jethro Tull), but I suspect there are more examples in prog rock. I don't know if the "Yodeling" passage from Hocus Pocus's song "Focus" qualifies, but that's another possible example. 2602:306:CEC8:5760:74A6:C828:FDA0:9F3E ( talk) 20:55, 16 February 2013 (UTC) (Unregistered Anon.)
a very good example coming from modern music is Tori Amos' Crucify - I think the syllable chains in the chorus stretches on around 10 notes. somebody with better musicianship may make this into a paragraph — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.27.71.116 ( talk) 19:33, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Great examples are in Handel's Messiah, such as the Aleleula Chorus, familiar to singers. -- AstroU ( talk) 14:43, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
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Surely '-day' is only melismatic in the treble clef? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.7.72 ( talk) 18:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)