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"Ferries dock along the northbank of the Yarra at Federation Wharf and the turning basin at the Aquatic Centre," but no reference is provided. Perhaps the author meant to refer to the Melbourne_Aquarium centre which is located on the northbank of the Yarra, as opposed the Melbourne_Sports_and_Aquatic_Centre located in Albert Park? --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 11:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcrosbie ( talk • contribs)
User:Adam Carr has redirected this to article to a redirect, claiming in his edit summary ‘there is no such place as "Melbourne (suburb)". the centre of a city is not a suburb of itself. this material should be incorporated into City of Melbourne or Melbourne CBD’. Well, of course there’s no such place as ‘Melbourne (suburb)’; this article was about the suburb of Melbourne. It was an awful edit, with a poor justification:
An article on the suburb of Melbourne is precisely as justified as an article on other inner suburbs of Melbourne, many of which are at least partially outside of Melbourne. I have therefore reverted the change.
— Felix the Cassowary 14:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The discussion is located here Talk:Melbourne under the title "Melbourne the Suburb vs Melbourne the metropolis vs City of Melbourne". Concensus is yet to be reached, but as yet there have been no valid arguments against the existence of this article. -- Biatch 04:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Why ? Where is the discussion ?? call this democracy ? -- Biatch 04:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Again why ? wouldn't some discussion before removal be much better idea considering that this information has survived several edits. -- Biatch 04:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know where did the boundaries specified in the Geography section come from? -- JohnnoShadbolt 06:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that an easy way to resolve the dispute is to split into two articles. One - "Melbourne (Central Business District)" should strictly cover the area defined by postcode 3000. The other - "Melbourne (suburb)" should cover the area south of the Yarra.
My zac's worth.
MarcusCole12 ( talk) 03:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
The Sydney CBD article has a list of big businesses with headquarters in the CBD. What about a Melbourne list. NAB, ANZ, BHP Billiton etc all have hqs there. -- Biatch 02:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has overlaps with City of Melbourne and Melbourne. It says its about the area covered by the postcodes 3000 and 3004, yet provides no rationale for this set of boundaries. Within the article, its boundaries are re-drawn. The need for a separate article of this length isn't justfied, and it would be more logical to merge it with either City of Melbourne or Melbourne, and have a section on the 'city centre'. Or to Merge those parts of its content that are relevant with City of Melbourne and the rest with Melbourne. Eyedubya ( talk) 01:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Someone has just added an edit about the grid pattern of central Melbourne - but this only applies to part of the area supposedly being covered by this article - it needs to be more well-defined, and in so doing, the reason for this article will start to disintegrate further. Eyedubya ( talk) 20:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This article .... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/is-the-queen-street-mall-in-brisbane/2009/01/05/1231003913762.html clearly states what I've been saying all along. It is called "Melbourne" the suburb and it is not called "Melbourne City Centre". Melbourne metropolitan area is referred to as "Greater Melbourne". -- Biatch ( talk) 03:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I've changed and referenced the article to reflect the Melbourne City Council (see: [2]) and the state Department of Planning and Community Development (see: [3]) definition of the City Centre (also referred to as the "Capital City Zone"). Also integrated some of the suggestions of companies headquartered in the City Centre, etc. I'm pretty sure this is what's to be considered the actual City Centre - basically a "locality" within the City of Melbourne. Thoughts? - NouvelleAuteur ( talk) 14:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I have kept the name as "Melbourne City Centre" as this common name brings up 197,000 results in Google. -- Biatch ( talk) 01:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I've lived in Melbourne my whole life and never heard it called the City Centre, its always been CBD. 118.209.25.15 ( talk) 01:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
The title was the subject of a protracted discussion and vote at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian places/Archive 3. I note that the title of this article has since been capitalised, which I disagree with as it has no official status. Melburnian ( talk) 11:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the 3 "location" references from the box. They do not provide useful information. All 3 locations Glen Waverley, Dandenong and Belgrave are all located in the same general area, so even if you were to argue for a number of relative location references, i dont see the value in having 3 so closely located. Two stripe ( talk) 06:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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These articles are all concerned with street names in Melbourne. (I would have include another 17, but the template has a limit of 30.) I do not support these moves; but I know that some very active editors do. It is time to air the matter, once and for all. Is it better to have an article on Collins Street in Melbourne called simply Collins Street, or to have it called Collins Street, Melbourne as at present? Which option serves the needs of Wikipedia's worldwide readership better? In almost all cases that I list there is no content in the destination article, just a redirect. And in almost all cases there is no Wikipedia article that very closely resembles the Melbourne-oriented one. There are, for example, no other Collins Streets with their own articles.
Your vote ("Support" or "Oppose") would be welcome, along with your reasons.
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I agree ive never heard 'the city' called the "City Centre' but maybe its good if its going to cover all the various definitions, which I think it should. So i suggest that this article discuss the various definitions, which have of course changed over time. There is a separate article on the Hoddle Grid, which is clearly about just the rectangular grid. The Melbourne 3000 postcode is the grid plus northern triangle, PLUS the north half of the river between Spencer and Swanston, (minus a confusing arm up Elizabeth street) which is probably what most people think of as the 'the city', though prob also including Fed Sq and maybe Parl House ? The 3004 Melbourne postcode however is def NOT 'the city' in anyway, so Im going to start by eliminating it from the article, or rather discussing it and saying its a separate thing, I hope thats ok. The 3000 postcode area is pretty much the original CBD when it was first coined in the Borrie Report in 1964 (Ill see if i can post that map ! - found it) which included the river up to Spring St actually. In the 1980s, this area was officially called the CAD, but it never stuck. These seem to have also included the few blocks north of latobe up to dudley street on the west side of Flagstaff gardens.
Ah, i see that the area of the Statistical Area Level 2 Melbourne is pretty much the same, so i think thats the one ill refer to mostly. Its [[| Statistical Area Level 2 Melbourne|here]]
The planning for the city got re-jigged in 1999 when a new thing was created, the Central City Zone, 'CCZ' - which was the old CBD, minus the RMIT area (for some reason) and the dudley street bit, but including much of Southbank down to a zigzag line, including the north wharf area and the exhibition centre area too. Then in 2014 this got expanded down to the freeway and bit beyond actually. Maybe ill do a new para that explains this planning history ? Not sure Ive got much to link it to online, but i do have publications. Meanwhile we should stick to something close to the postcode 3000 / CBD / CAD, while noting that official boundaries have moved at various times.
Ive just now read all the discussion about this article over on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian places/Archive 3 though that seems to be mostly about the name, which i wont touch ! From that discussion sounds safe enough to eliminate the 3004 postcode part, its confusing. And heres the official locality map -- Rohanstorey ( talk) 04:35, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 11:59, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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Melbourne city centre → Melbourne central business district – per WP:COMMONNAME. Google Trends shows 'Melbourne CBD' as the clear winner over 'Melbourne city centre'. The name is also used by most major news organisations such as the ABC, 9 News, and The Guardian. It is also used by the City of Melbourne's official website. It should also be moved to make it in line with the pages for the CBDs of other major Australian cities, such as Sydney and Brisbane. RoadSmasher420 ( talk) 03:01, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
The map displayed has some really weird borders. As a Melbournian I would consider Southbank and Docklands as part of the CBD but not all the way down near Albert Park. I have no idea how this would be fixed (I rarely edit beyond English Wikipedia), but if someone can, that would be great. JML1148 ( talk) 11:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
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"Ferries dock along the northbank of the Yarra at Federation Wharf and the turning basin at the Aquatic Centre," but no reference is provided. Perhaps the author meant to refer to the Melbourne_Aquarium centre which is located on the northbank of the Yarra, as opposed the Melbourne_Sports_and_Aquatic_Centre located in Albert Park? --wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 11:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcrosbie ( talk • contribs)
User:Adam Carr has redirected this to article to a redirect, claiming in his edit summary ‘there is no such place as "Melbourne (suburb)". the centre of a city is not a suburb of itself. this material should be incorporated into City of Melbourne or Melbourne CBD’. Well, of course there’s no such place as ‘Melbourne (suburb)’; this article was about the suburb of Melbourne. It was an awful edit, with a poor justification:
An article on the suburb of Melbourne is precisely as justified as an article on other inner suburbs of Melbourne, many of which are at least partially outside of Melbourne. I have therefore reverted the change.
— Felix the Cassowary 14:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The discussion is located here Talk:Melbourne under the title "Melbourne the Suburb vs Melbourne the metropolis vs City of Melbourne". Concensus is yet to be reached, but as yet there have been no valid arguments against the existence of this article. -- Biatch 04:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Why ? Where is the discussion ?? call this democracy ? -- Biatch 04:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Again why ? wouldn't some discussion before removal be much better idea considering that this information has survived several edits. -- Biatch 04:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know where did the boundaries specified in the Geography section come from? -- JohnnoShadbolt 06:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that an easy way to resolve the dispute is to split into two articles. One - "Melbourne (Central Business District)" should strictly cover the area defined by postcode 3000. The other - "Melbourne (suburb)" should cover the area south of the Yarra.
My zac's worth.
MarcusCole12 ( talk) 03:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
The Sydney CBD article has a list of big businesses with headquarters in the CBD. What about a Melbourne list. NAB, ANZ, BHP Billiton etc all have hqs there. -- Biatch 02:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has overlaps with City of Melbourne and Melbourne. It says its about the area covered by the postcodes 3000 and 3004, yet provides no rationale for this set of boundaries. Within the article, its boundaries are re-drawn. The need for a separate article of this length isn't justfied, and it would be more logical to merge it with either City of Melbourne or Melbourne, and have a section on the 'city centre'. Or to Merge those parts of its content that are relevant with City of Melbourne and the rest with Melbourne. Eyedubya ( talk) 01:01, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Someone has just added an edit about the grid pattern of central Melbourne - but this only applies to part of the area supposedly being covered by this article - it needs to be more well-defined, and in so doing, the reason for this article will start to disintegrate further. Eyedubya ( talk) 20:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This article .... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/queensland/is-the-queen-street-mall-in-brisbane/2009/01/05/1231003913762.html clearly states what I've been saying all along. It is called "Melbourne" the suburb and it is not called "Melbourne City Centre". Melbourne metropolitan area is referred to as "Greater Melbourne". -- Biatch ( talk) 03:29, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I've changed and referenced the article to reflect the Melbourne City Council (see: [2]) and the state Department of Planning and Community Development (see: [3]) definition of the City Centre (also referred to as the "Capital City Zone"). Also integrated some of the suggestions of companies headquartered in the City Centre, etc. I'm pretty sure this is what's to be considered the actual City Centre - basically a "locality" within the City of Melbourne. Thoughts? - NouvelleAuteur ( talk) 14:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I have kept the name as "Melbourne City Centre" as this common name brings up 197,000 results in Google. -- Biatch ( talk) 01:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I've lived in Melbourne my whole life and never heard it called the City Centre, its always been CBD. 118.209.25.15 ( talk) 01:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
The title was the subject of a protracted discussion and vote at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian places/Archive 3. I note that the title of this article has since been capitalised, which I disagree with as it has no official status. Melburnian ( talk) 11:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the 3 "location" references from the box. They do not provide useful information. All 3 locations Glen Waverley, Dandenong and Belgrave are all located in the same general area, so even if you were to argue for a number of relative location references, i dont see the value in having 3 so closely located. Two stripe ( talk) 06:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Editors here may be interested in this multiple RM that I have initiated. My preamble:
These articles are all concerned with street names in Melbourne. (I would have include another 17, but the template has a limit of 30.) I do not support these moves; but I know that some very active editors do. It is time to air the matter, once and for all. Is it better to have an article on Collins Street in Melbourne called simply Collins Street, or to have it called Collins Street, Melbourne as at present? Which option serves the needs of Wikipedia's worldwide readership better? In almost all cases that I list there is no content in the destination article, just a redirect. And in almost all cases there is no Wikipedia article that very closely resembles the Melbourne-oriented one. There are, for example, no other Collins Streets with their own articles.
Your vote ("Support" or "Oppose") would be welcome, along with your reasons.
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I agree ive never heard 'the city' called the "City Centre' but maybe its good if its going to cover all the various definitions, which I think it should. So i suggest that this article discuss the various definitions, which have of course changed over time. There is a separate article on the Hoddle Grid, which is clearly about just the rectangular grid. The Melbourne 3000 postcode is the grid plus northern triangle, PLUS the north half of the river between Spencer and Swanston, (minus a confusing arm up Elizabeth street) which is probably what most people think of as the 'the city', though prob also including Fed Sq and maybe Parl House ? The 3004 Melbourne postcode however is def NOT 'the city' in anyway, so Im going to start by eliminating it from the article, or rather discussing it and saying its a separate thing, I hope thats ok. The 3000 postcode area is pretty much the original CBD when it was first coined in the Borrie Report in 1964 (Ill see if i can post that map ! - found it) which included the river up to Spring St actually. In the 1980s, this area was officially called the CAD, but it never stuck. These seem to have also included the few blocks north of latobe up to dudley street on the west side of Flagstaff gardens.
Ah, i see that the area of the Statistical Area Level 2 Melbourne is pretty much the same, so i think thats the one ill refer to mostly. Its [[| Statistical Area Level 2 Melbourne|here]]
The planning for the city got re-jigged in 1999 when a new thing was created, the Central City Zone, 'CCZ' - which was the old CBD, minus the RMIT area (for some reason) and the dudley street bit, but including much of Southbank down to a zigzag line, including the north wharf area and the exhibition centre area too. Then in 2014 this got expanded down to the freeway and bit beyond actually. Maybe ill do a new para that explains this planning history ? Not sure Ive got much to link it to online, but i do have publications. Meanwhile we should stick to something close to the postcode 3000 / CBD / CAD, while noting that official boundaries have moved at various times.
Ive just now read all the discussion about this article over on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian places/Archive 3 though that seems to be mostly about the name, which i wont touch ! From that discussion sounds safe enough to eliminate the 3004 postcode part, its confusing. And heres the official locality map -- Rohanstorey ( talk) 04:35, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 11:59, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Melbourne City Centre →
Melbourne city centre – The reason I'm requesting a move to the new article, along with its associated talk page, is because I want the words 'city centre' to be in lower case, in line with the articles for the
Sydney,
Brisbane, and
Adelaide CBDs.
PK2 (
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The result of the move request was: Moved - unanimous proposal, and I found no opposing argument in the relevant naming convention guideline. ( non-admin closure) Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Melbourne city centre → Melbourne central business district – per WP:COMMONNAME. Google Trends shows 'Melbourne CBD' as the clear winner over 'Melbourne city centre'. The name is also used by most major news organisations such as the ABC, 9 News, and The Guardian. It is also used by the City of Melbourne's official website. It should also be moved to make it in line with the pages for the CBDs of other major Australian cities, such as Sydney and Brisbane. RoadSmasher420 ( talk) 03:01, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
The map displayed has some really weird borders. As a Melbournian I would consider Southbank and Docklands as part of the CBD but not all the way down near Albert Park. I have no idea how this would be fixed (I rarely edit beyond English Wikipedia), but if someone can, that would be great. JML1148 ( talk) 11:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)