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The is no religion called "Traditionalist Catholic". Gibson was baptised and raised in the Roman Catholic faith. He went to a Roman Catholic School. He was married in a Roman Catholic church by a Roman Catholic priest. Furthermore, there is no denomination within the Roman Catholic church called "Traditionalist Catholic". He may have some conservative views - he may even have views which are not compatible with being Catholic. This does not detract from the idea of his stated religion being Roman Catholic. Editors who have written "Traditionalist Catholic" have made up a religion. This is an encyclopedia - let's stick to the facts. I note that on the page called "Traditionalist Catholic" there is no agreement about what it means. Other breakaway sects, such as the Society of St. Pius X have no status in the Roman Catholic church, ie they ain't Catholics. Francis Hannaway 11:52, 2 June 2012 (UTC) Francis Hannaway ( talk)
Mel Gibson is a Roman Catholic. I would consider myself a "Traditionalist Catholic" and I don't hold ANY beliefs that are contrary to the Magisterium of the Church. To suggest that someone who is a "Traditionalist Catholic" is in some way more or less of a Catholic than someone who is a "Liberal Catholic" is just absurd. There is no such denomination as "Traditional Catholicism" Sue De Nimes ( talk) 21:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC) I wanted to add something to this. There has been an allegation made above that Mel Gibson believes the current Pope to be an imposter. I assume the allegation being made is that Mel Gibson is a sedevecantist. I don't believe there is any source anywhere to substantiate this. He MAY be a sedevecantist but without a source we should not assume this. There has also been talk about members of traditionalist groups not being Catholic. This is a grey area. There are groups such as the FSSP who are traditionalist and in full communion with Rome. These groups enjoy full canonical recognition and have as much standing as any other group. You then have groups such as the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer who while in full communion with Rome have not been granted full canonical status (yet). We also have the SSPX. The SSPX is not currently in full standing with Rome. What is important to note though is that the only members of the SSPX who were ever excommunicated were the four bishops. These excommunications have since been lifted meaning that all members of the SSPX are Catholics in good standing. The current status though is that priests of the SSPX do not have approval to exercise a ministry. The result of that is that should a Catholic attend Mass with the SSPX they do not fulfill any obligation should it be celebrated on a Sunday or other holy day. The mass itself is still a valid mass. The SSPX are not sedevecantists. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 11:41, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I think you misunderstand what a "Traditionalist Catholic" is. Speaking from my own position I don't hold any beliefs different from those put forward by the Church. Many "Traditional Catholics" would argue that they are more consistent with the teachings of the Church than non "Traditional Catholics". If you want to define "Traditional Catholicism" as a denomination then one needs to do two things. (1) Define what it is they actually believe (2) Define how they differ from the official position of the Church. The fact remains Traditional Catholicism is NOT a denomination any more than "Wishy Washy Catholicism" might be. If a Traditional Catholic is in full communion with Rome then they are Roman Catholic. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 09:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
First of all, you can't use Wikipedia as a source to justify your position. If you want to claim that "Traditional Catholics" are a denomination separate from Roman Catholicism then please provide a source to back this up. I don't care what your understanding of the issue is - it really doesn't matter. What does matter are facts. If it is as you claim a recognised denomination then I assume you will be able to provide a link to something from it's governing body showing what it believes in. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 23:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
I am not asking you to prove "Traditional Catholicism" exists. I haven't questioned that at any point. What I am asking you to prove is that it is a separate denomination rather than a catch all descriptive term encompassing multiple groups with different standpoints. To suggest that a group such as a the FSSP are part of a denomination separate from the Roman Catholic Church alongside a group such as the SSPV is absurd. The FSSP are a Priestly Fraternity with full canonical recognition. They don't teach anything that isn't fully approved by Rome. The SSPV on the other hand are sedevacantists and as such believe the Pope to be an antipope. They are also excommunicated which highlights the error in trying to lump them together. What I have asked you to prove is that "Traditional Catholicim" is a separate and recognised denomination of the Roman Catholic Church. You haven't don't anything to substantiate the assertion you are trying to make. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 08:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Is there another photo floating around at all? The current one isn't very good and looks odd. Depor23 ( talk) 16:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Mel and family moved to Mt Kuring-gai north of Hornsby in 1968. I think this was their first Australian address. how do I know? I was in the same catholic youth organisation and school at the time (St Patrick's Asquith/St Leos Wahroonga) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.53.50 ( talk) 09:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
The current text says Gibson's mother was born in Co. Longford, Ireland but then also refers to the family moving to his "mother's native Australia." I think that should be his paternal grandmother's native Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.140.38 ( talk) 14:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
The current picture of Mel is 23 years old. He looks a lot different today. 24.15.64.123 ( talk) 04:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
There is no mention of the movie Ransom (1996 film). It is funny since there is a wiki page for the movie, just no mention of it in Mel Gibson's main page. I cannot edit, so can someone please fix this? Bergie24b ( talk) 00:01, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
wouuld should be would
IRISH AMERICAN ?
HES AMERICAN. He grew up in Oz but went back to the US. Hes not Irish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VinDibs ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
He holds Irish citizenship in addition to US citizenship. I'd say that makes him an Irish-American by any reasonably standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.58.32 ( talk) 03:46, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
There is some confusion here. " Oz" is a fantasy land so he certainly didn't grew there. As to Irish-American, those designations aren't used for people who have citizenship in Ireland and the U.S.A., they are used for people who have parents of that heritage. Think about the African-Americans, none of them has a passport from a country called Africa.
Aisteco ( talk) 00:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
The first sentence of the lead decribes him as Australian and American, but the article later says he has two citizenships, American and Irish. If he merely lived in Australia, he isn't Australian. Jim Michael ( talk) 21:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I see that everything about Holy Family and A P Reilly has been scrubbed clean from Gibson’s Wikipedia page. I’m surprised the ever vigilant editors and contributors have allowed that. 132.3.65.80 ( talk) 16:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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The link from the phrase "Gay Alliance has Gibson's 'Braveheart' in its sights" in note 59 is dead. A working link is:
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Mel Colm-Cille Gerard Gibson AO (born January 3, 1956) is an American actor, film director, producer and screenwriter. He is most well known as an action hero, for roles such as Martin Riggs in the Lethal Weapon film series and Max Rockatansky in the first three Max Max films. Please change X to D (i.e Mad Max) Pranay Nayak.R.V ( talk) 18:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Done Thanks for spotting that - Arjayay ( talk) 19:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
See this link: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/the-hills/nostalgic-facebook-group-you-grew-up-around-hornsby-if-you-remember-stirs-up-memories-of-suburbs-past/story-fngr8i1f-1226816728074 - might be worth double checking his early life stories. Poor kid - if he went to Asquith Boys' - what a shithole that school was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AF8:1:1500:0:0:0:4239 ( talk) 00:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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Talleric, Brian. "Apocalypto Review". UGO.com. Retrieved July 20, 2010.[dead link]
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no mention of Gibson's drunken antisemitic comments to a woman police offer in the controversy section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:5600:5AC:8C83:2820:3FFC:4A14 ( talk) 17:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
It's under personal life, included as part of the section on his alcohol and legal issues. I agree that it probably makes more sense to have it in the controversy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.24.247.59 ( talk) 04:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
He said that in a drunken stupor. Check his interview with Diane Sawyer. He does apologize. 74.90.110.7 ( talk) 19:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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The is no religion called "Traditionalist Catholic". Gibson was baptised and raised in the Roman Catholic faith. He went to a Roman Catholic School. He was married in a Roman Catholic church by a Roman Catholic priest. Furthermore, there is no denomination within the Roman Catholic church called "Traditionalist Catholic". He may have some conservative views - he may even have views which are not compatible with being Catholic. This does not detract from the idea of his stated religion being Roman Catholic. Editors who have written "Traditionalist Catholic" have made up a religion. This is an encyclopedia - let's stick to the facts. I note that on the page called "Traditionalist Catholic" there is no agreement about what it means. Other breakaway sects, such as the Society of St. Pius X have no status in the Roman Catholic church, ie they ain't Catholics. Francis Hannaway 11:52, 2 June 2012 (UTC) Francis Hannaway ( talk)
Mel Gibson is a Roman Catholic. I would consider myself a "Traditionalist Catholic" and I don't hold ANY beliefs that are contrary to the Magisterium of the Church. To suggest that someone who is a "Traditionalist Catholic" is in some way more or less of a Catholic than someone who is a "Liberal Catholic" is just absurd. There is no such denomination as "Traditional Catholicism" Sue De Nimes ( talk) 21:54, 8 July 2012 (UTC) I wanted to add something to this. There has been an allegation made above that Mel Gibson believes the current Pope to be an imposter. I assume the allegation being made is that Mel Gibson is a sedevecantist. I don't believe there is any source anywhere to substantiate this. He MAY be a sedevecantist but without a source we should not assume this. There has also been talk about members of traditionalist groups not being Catholic. This is a grey area. There are groups such as the FSSP who are traditionalist and in full communion with Rome. These groups enjoy full canonical recognition and have as much standing as any other group. You then have groups such as the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer who while in full communion with Rome have not been granted full canonical status (yet). We also have the SSPX. The SSPX is not currently in full standing with Rome. What is important to note though is that the only members of the SSPX who were ever excommunicated were the four bishops. These excommunications have since been lifted meaning that all members of the SSPX are Catholics in good standing. The current status though is that priests of the SSPX do not have approval to exercise a ministry. The result of that is that should a Catholic attend Mass with the SSPX they do not fulfill any obligation should it be celebrated on a Sunday or other holy day. The mass itself is still a valid mass. The SSPX are not sedevecantists. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 11:41, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
I think you misunderstand what a "Traditionalist Catholic" is. Speaking from my own position I don't hold any beliefs different from those put forward by the Church. Many "Traditional Catholics" would argue that they are more consistent with the teachings of the Church than non "Traditional Catholics". If you want to define "Traditional Catholicism" as a denomination then one needs to do two things. (1) Define what it is they actually believe (2) Define how they differ from the official position of the Church. The fact remains Traditional Catholicism is NOT a denomination any more than "Wishy Washy Catholicism" might be. If a Traditional Catholic is in full communion with Rome then they are Roman Catholic. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 09:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
First of all, you can't use Wikipedia as a source to justify your position. If you want to claim that "Traditional Catholics" are a denomination separate from Roman Catholicism then please provide a source to back this up. I don't care what your understanding of the issue is - it really doesn't matter. What does matter are facts. If it is as you claim a recognised denomination then I assume you will be able to provide a link to something from it's governing body showing what it believes in. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 23:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
I am not asking you to prove "Traditional Catholicism" exists. I haven't questioned that at any point. What I am asking you to prove is that it is a separate denomination rather than a catch all descriptive term encompassing multiple groups with different standpoints. To suggest that a group such as a the FSSP are part of a denomination separate from the Roman Catholic Church alongside a group such as the SSPV is absurd. The FSSP are a Priestly Fraternity with full canonical recognition. They don't teach anything that isn't fully approved by Rome. The SSPV on the other hand are sedevacantists and as such believe the Pope to be an antipope. They are also excommunicated which highlights the error in trying to lump them together. What I have asked you to prove is that "Traditional Catholicim" is a separate and recognised denomination of the Roman Catholic Church. You haven't don't anything to substantiate the assertion you are trying to make. Sue De Nimes ( talk) 08:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Is there another photo floating around at all? The current one isn't very good and looks odd. Depor23 ( talk) 16:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Mel and family moved to Mt Kuring-gai north of Hornsby in 1968. I think this was their first Australian address. how do I know? I was in the same catholic youth organisation and school at the time (St Patrick's Asquith/St Leos Wahroonga) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.53.50 ( talk) 09:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
The current text says Gibson's mother was born in Co. Longford, Ireland but then also refers to the family moving to his "mother's native Australia." I think that should be his paternal grandmother's native Australia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.140.38 ( talk) 14:59, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
The current picture of Mel is 23 years old. He looks a lot different today. 24.15.64.123 ( talk) 04:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
There is no mention of the movie Ransom (1996 film). It is funny since there is a wiki page for the movie, just no mention of it in Mel Gibson's main page. I cannot edit, so can someone please fix this? Bergie24b ( talk) 00:01, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
wouuld should be would
IRISH AMERICAN ?
HES AMERICAN. He grew up in Oz but went back to the US. Hes not Irish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VinDibs ( talk • contribs) 00:18, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
He holds Irish citizenship in addition to US citizenship. I'd say that makes him an Irish-American by any reasonably standard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.23.58.32 ( talk) 03:46, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
There is some confusion here. " Oz" is a fantasy land so he certainly didn't grew there. As to Irish-American, those designations aren't used for people who have citizenship in Ireland and the U.S.A., they are used for people who have parents of that heritage. Think about the African-Americans, none of them has a passport from a country called Africa.
Aisteco ( talk) 00:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
The first sentence of the lead decribes him as Australian and American, but the article later says he has two citizenships, American and Irish. If he merely lived in Australia, he isn't Australian. Jim Michael ( talk) 21:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
I see that everything about Holy Family and A P Reilly has been scrubbed clean from Gibson’s Wikipedia page. I’m surprised the ever vigilant editors and contributors have allowed that. 132.3.65.80 ( talk) 16:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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The link from the phrase "Gay Alliance has Gibson's 'Braveheart' in its sights" in note 59 is dead. A working link is:
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/gay-alliance-gibson-braveheart-sights-article-1.682785
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Mel Colm-Cille Gerard Gibson AO (born January 3, 1956) is an American actor, film director, producer and screenwriter. He is most well known as an action hero, for roles such as Martin Riggs in the Lethal Weapon film series and Max Rockatansky in the first three Max Max films. Please change X to D (i.e Mad Max) Pranay Nayak.R.V ( talk) 18:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Done Thanks for spotting that - Arjayay ( talk) 19:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
See this link: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/the-hills/nostalgic-facebook-group-you-grew-up-around-hornsby-if-you-remember-stirs-up-memories-of-suburbs-past/story-fngr8i1f-1226816728074 - might be worth double checking his early life stories. Poor kid - if he went to Asquith Boys' - what a shithole that school was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AF8:1:1500:0:0:0:4239 ( talk) 00:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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no mention of Gibson's drunken antisemitic comments to a woman police offer in the controversy section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:5600:5AC:8C83:2820:3FFC:4A14 ( talk) 17:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
It's under personal life, included as part of the section on his alcohol and legal issues. I agree that it probably makes more sense to have it in the controversy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.24.247.59 ( talk) 04:44, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
He said that in a drunken stupor. Check his interview with Diane Sawyer. He does apologize. 74.90.110.7 ( talk) 19:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)